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Nitt Picks Does It Because You Do It Too

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Because why not?

 

Don't Hate the Player.  WWAHT is using generalities, about the OSU "number", and I take exception:

I really, really hate discussing "cheating" and "paying player$", so I'll keep this thankfully short: I really don't care. It's college athletics. For your own sanity's sake, you're better off assuming everything and everyone is dirty, nothing is sacred, and that college football's status as an innocent amateur intercollegiate series of playful events in the spirit of athletic competition is either fleeting or wholly fake. Players will always receive fifty-dollar handshakes from big-money boosters, coaches will always turn a blind eye to agent-filled locker rooms, SEC schools will just say "fuck it" and commit violations left and right like the Good Lord intended, and each fall we'll continue to plop down a few greenbacks to watch our team kick the ever-loving shit out of Directional State U.

No.  I mean, yes, it's a business, but once you start rationalizing your behavior with comments like "boosters at every school are showering their football players with illegal $50 bills" you need to re-evaluate things.  Penn State has zero major infractions in the last 60 or so years and no one has even hinted at that type of "paying player$" thing in regards to Paterno's team.

I understand you not wanting to make a big deal about The Number, but the better argument for OSU here is to say that these violations are petty and irrelevant, which they largely are, not that everyone is a cheater.  Leave the enormous generalities at the door, please.

Minorihuh I haven't thought much about the diversity of PSU's football coaches.  They are, for the most part, old and long-timers, and that's about all I know.  So Rittenberg say the Big Ten has problem with the diversity of their head coaches.  I am not really qualified or interested in having an opinion here, but this gave me pause:

The league has one minority head coach -- Michigan's Rich Rodriguez is Hispanic  -- and only two minority coordinators in Michigan offensive coordinator Calvin Magee and Michigan State offensive coordinator Don Treadwell.

I mean the name is a clue, but hardly something you can made a decision on.  Because this is worth another look (this is apparently DFP stuff but no link is provided):

Rodriguez is widely considered one of two Hispanic coaches in Division I-A football. Florida International's Mario Cristobal is the other. But the Black Coaches and Administrators excludes Rodriguez as a minority football coach, even though West Virginia considers him of Hispanic descent. "He's never considered himself a minority, or a member of the BCA, even though we've asked him to do that," BCA director Floyd Keith told the Birmingham (Ala.) News in October. "How they include him (at West Virginia) is fine. We would love to have included him in our numbers, but that's not his choice."

You are now even more confused, as am I, but feel free to read the analysis if you are interested.

 

In Scores of Other Games...BHGP finally did a recruiting post, Ed gets a second chance, and a old/new JayPa blog post...

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That’s the typical response I get from Ohio State fans I know when I bring up the dirtiness of their program-everyone does it, blaggity blah. Ok, I’m not so naive to think that some shady things don’t go on at every school. I bet there are PSU players who have gotten those $50 handshakes, have gotten some extra help academically, whatever. But, there are certain levels of shadiness, and there is more smoke around the Ohio State program than there is Penn State. Whether it’s Katzenmoyer or Clarett or Smith or the $3000 in cash in AJ Hawk’s apartment. And the numbers don’t lie-zero infractions is zero infractions.

And, I sort of get his attitude. When it comes down to it, we’re just fans and we want to see our team do well. We have absolutely no control over what goes on within the program, so getting all bent out of shape about it isn’t worthwhile. When we were having the problems with Bell and Baker and Taylor people would talk about how we need a zero tolerance policy and we need to kick off every player on the team who messes up. That’s great and all-but the team would suck it we did that. So you can’t have one without the other.

My point? Fuck O-hi-o! ClapClap ClapClapClap

by speedomike on Jun 3, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Rich Rod

Nothing to be confused about. Having a Spanish last name doesn’t automatically make you a minority or even Hispanic for that matter. There’s millions of people in Spain who have Spanish last names and are as white as the driven snow. Many Cubans and Puerto Ricans consider themselves caucasion/white because they are. My wife’s Puerto Rican and she has fair skin, blonde hair, and blue eyes and she considers herself white as well. Some people prefer to choose their race on genetics and their European/Middle Eastern (caucasion) rather than their last name or where their ancestors moved for a brief period of time. Okay, I’m off my soap box now. Please continue. :-)

by RNF18 on Jun 3, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, that's the thing with Spanish last names

but from that article, DickRod does apparently come from hispanic ancestors (whether or not they were caucasian ancestors coming from latin America is unclear). Also, he apparently isn’t listed as a “minority” because he doesn’t want to join the “Black Coaches of America” which for some reason is one of the criteria for being listed as a minority coach. Who woulda thunk that someone who wasn’t black doesn’t want join the BCA.

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 3, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

RR

According to one of Rittenberg’s mailbags a emailer said that RR doesn’t consider himself Hispanic.

"From the outside looking in, you cannot understand it. From the inside looking out, you cannot explian it."

by psuphiman80 on Jun 3, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Reading Rambler is NOT Hispanic?

His Mystery grows more clear each day.

When I say to a kid, ‘Hey, get ready to get knocked on your rear end,’ I also tell him, ‘Learn. Learn why you got knocked on your rear end. --jvp

by jtothep on Jun 3, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet you're Klingon

Only a Klingon would like something as ugly as Ovechkin.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Jun 3, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

HIja'

qaStaH nuq?

jIyajbe’

(yes, this is legit)

When I say to a kid, ‘Hey, get ready to get knocked on your rear end,’ I also tell him, ‘Learn. Learn why you got knocked on your rear end. --jvp

by jtothep on Jun 4, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

how bout it

I’m usually pretty forthcoming about my own dorkiness, but that may have been the single nerdiest thing I’ve ever done.

When I say to a kid, ‘Hey, get ready to get knocked on your rear end,’ I also tell him, ‘Learn. Learn why you got knocked on your rear end. --jvp

by jtothep on Jun 5, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've done worse

Try watching all three extended edition lord of the rings movies back to back in one day with your friend (close, if not over 12 hours worth of movie fun)

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 5, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blogging about speaking klingon??

just throwing that one out there.

"Even though it was bouncing, I knew it was so soft that it was just going to stay in," Battle said. "Then I ran around like a lunatic."

by bconway6 on Jun 5, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

MMMMMMMmm

"Even though it was bouncing, I knew it was so soft that it was just going to stay in," Battle said. "Then I ran around like a lunatic."

by bconway6 on Jun 5, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that is one of those universal words

wouldn’t want anyone to be confused and not able to acquire it

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 8, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm RR

You should refer to Rich Rodriguez as either “DickRod”, “RichRod”, or “DR”.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Jun 3, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zug forgive me

A Zillion apologies to you sir.

"From the outside looking in, you cannot understand it. From the inside looking out, you cannot explian it."

by psuphiman80 on Jun 3, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your Puerto Rican Wife with Fair Skin, Blonde Hair and Blue Eyes

Sounds hot.

When I say to a kid, ‘Hey, get ready to get knocked on your rear end,’ I also tell him, ‘Learn. Learn why you got knocked on your rear end. --jvp

by jtothep on Jun 3, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aye Caramba -

a Hot Tamale!

'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'

by Pete the Streak on Jun 4, 2009 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tacos

Burritos

"From the outside looking in, you cannot understand it. From the inside looking out, you cannot explian it."

by psuphiman80 on Jun 4, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was an article on yahoo

the other day referencing their recruitment of Lebron as a wide receiver. By their reasoning, since they were not able to compete with the Cavs contract, then they really can’t be that bad. Had Reggie Bush been drafted by an NBA team out of high school, he probably would have still signed with USC.

by cpm126 on Jun 3, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that PSU does have, not a minority coordinator but a protected class coordinator, in Jay “special ed” Paterno! Plus Galen chews his nails and picks his nose on TV so that should count for something!

by FG Dreadnought on Jun 3, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Jay Paterno: so mentally challenged he helped make Penn State one of the best offensive football teams last year.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Jun 3, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with Rambler on this one

For all of the frustrations in the past with JayPa, he really stepped it up this past year and developed what will most likely become one of the PSU’s best QBs we’ve ever had, at least in terms of awesome endzone pictures and badass fist pumps.

So really, I think I’m done with JayPa jokes for a while. The bulk of those, at least from me, were from the QB14 era when a totally awesome 5-star QB was on our depth chart after four of the Dark Years, but looking back, I don’t think there’s a coach on Earth who could have done anything for him.

Kevin did an awesome analysis of this a while back, I recommend a read before the “Jay is retarded” jokes start.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 4, 2009 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, it is sorta a shame for JayPa

because he got, what was in all likelihood an overrated QB who didn’t pan out to be as great as expectations were. QB14 got 5 stars because he had a cannon for an arm, but if I recall correctly his numbers weren’t even that fantastic in HS, and I think he came from a pretty run-dominated offense.

And prior to that he had a QB with ZERO working shoulders.

Other than that, though, he’s only produced 2 fantastic QBs (at least for the system).

Only time will tell on how well JayPa is as a QB coach (though for the life of me I have no idea why he is our QB coach when he never really played QB, and we have another guy in the system who DID).

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 4, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

JoePa and JayPa are Italian.

Italian’s aren’t white. Not in Pennsylvania, anyway.

by Mr. Rosewater on Jun 3, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

You are getting Italians confused ....

with Sicilians. For the record I believe JoePA/JayPa are both Sicilian. The town of Paterno is in the Province of Catania in Sourthern Sicily.

I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?

by pic15 on Jun 4, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

There is a town called Paterno? Excuse me while I go pack up my suitcase for a vacation….

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 4, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think that if/when JoePa retires

they should incorporate the area containing the stadium as a small town, and name it Joe, PA. Then we can still keep the stadium names after a president, and it would be a much cooler honor.

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 5, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rich Rod is as Hispanic as A-Rod

But putting lack of authenticity aside,

If a Hispanic Coach can be in the Black Coaches Association, does that mean a Black Accountant could be in the Black Coaches Association?
Do you just need to be 1 of the 2 to qualify?

How did black coaches get the monopoly on minority?

by NittanyBadger on Jun 4, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  

ironically enough, by being the majority of the minorities

as for your “hispanic as A-Rod” quote, I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying that DickRod is hispanic because A-Rod is, or that neither are hispanice? Because A-Rod is hispanic (Dominican to be exact), and lived in the Dominican Republic for a few years. He also looks hispanic (though obviously not the only criteria, it generally holds true). DickRod doesn’t look hispanic (to me, at least), and I’m just curious if he is hispanic or caucasian (this could apply to A-Rod too, but just because you live in Latin America, and just because you have a Spanish last name, doesn’t mean you are hispanic).

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 4, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Many Phillipinos have hispanic names

It was always a decision on whether to count them as Hispanic or Asian on the AA reports. It kind of depended on where we needed them?

by PaJoe on Jun 4, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Diversity

Is just another word for another game to lose.

With all the pressure to win, who is going to pass over anyone who can bring home a winning team/season, just to hire a white guy.

Idiocy.

by CDRS on Jun 4, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Diversity is just another word for another game to lose.

That almost sounds like a line from an old Janis Joplin hit.

by PaJoe on Jun 4, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You two

and Bobby McGee think alike.

When I say to a kid, ‘Hey, get ready to get knocked on your rear end,’ I also tell him, ‘Learn. Learn why you got knocked on your rear end. --jvp

by jtothep on Jun 4, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

In my book

you get a +1 for a Janis Joplin reference. She is one of my favorites.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 4, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

you lie

since I see a Janis Jopln reference, but no rec anywhere

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 5, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nuthin worse

Than a lying rec’er.

When I say to a kid, ‘Hey, get ready to get knocked on your rear end,’ I also tell him, ‘Learn. Learn why you got knocked on your rear end. --jvp

by jtothep on Jun 5, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I apologize

I have failed this blog, but the rec is now there, late as it may be.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 5, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Redemption!

Zug sure is a forgiving Zug.

When I say to a kid, ‘Hey, get ready to get knocked on your rear end,’ I also tell him, ‘Learn. Learn why you got knocked on your rear end. --jvp

by jtothep on Jun 6, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

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