USC Trouble
by STU Boy on Jun 9, 2009 9:12 PM EDT
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PrintNow, do you guys think he heard through the grapevines that trouble was brewing and wanted to get out before the hammer dropped in an attempt to save USC from severe penalties? Also, does this mean that the NCAA is also (finally) making progress on the Mayo and Bush cases? This story really caught me, because this is super late for a NCAA basketball coach to resign so I think he must have known some bad news was on its way. Could be way off though.
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RE: The NCAA coming after USC football
Ha!
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DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?
"I hope after touchdowns this year all our players just point at Zug." - jtothep
That's exactly what Katz said
USC will never ever do this to their football team because of the $$$
Something is going on
The “lack of motivation” excuse sounds like complete bullshit. Basketball coaches are some of the most motivated people on the planet — he doesn’t get to that position in the first place unless he’s driven in a way few are. I’d have to see this guy’s Paxil prescription to believe it.
my take
With Floyd is gone, the NCAA will do absolutely nothing to either the basketball or football program, and Floyd will take the fall publicly.
USC isn’t even concerned about the NCAA. It’s like when a child realizes at 18 their parents have no real control over them, they can do whatever they want and the punishment is an insignificant formality.
USC knows they can do whatever they want, the NCAA’s authority over these programs is an illusion. In fact USC is more concerned with it’s own PR than it is with the NCAA’s supposed “sanctions”. “Go to your room and think about what you’ve done!!”
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
I wonder if it's all USC's fault
Mayo was obviously in league with an agent (or “advisors”) before he went to USC, my understanding is that Reggie Bush was too. For the sake of argument, assume that these agents are talking up the high school kid and they encourage them to go to USC because that’s where they’ll get the most exposure and the most money when they go pro. This is not all that farfetched.
What’s USC’s obligation in that circumstance? I don’t really know.
The rub here is that these are not USC bootsters that are breaking the rules. It seems like USC is an unintended bennificary of the rule breaking, not really the perpitrator here. It’s strange.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
Lack of Control
They need to know better than to take these “trouble” kids into their school. Why did Mayo pick USC (who didn’t even recruit him), because he was getting blackballed by many of the major college basketball programs. USC signed a deal with the devil and it bit them.
hey finally learned their lesson with Renardo Sidney this season in basketball by revoking their scholarship offer, so he went to Miss. State. Watch out for Miss. State, they’ll be the next basketball team to get slapped hard by the NCAA because they are a small school that the NCAA can flex their muscles on.
Lack of Control of Who?
My point was the people who committed the violations had nothing to do with USC at the time the violations were committed.
Hypothetical, rich Pitt alumni buys house for heralded WIPIAL recruit, on the basis of you’ll pay 10% when your earnings for three years when you go pro. But I want you to go to a school that will make it easier for you to go pro, say like Penn State. The kid agrees, Pitt alum buys house for kids parents, kid enrolls at Penn State. Kid is great, kid goes pro, kid tells Pitt alumni to fuck off on the house and the earnings (no Court in the world enforces that contract). Pitt alum goes to the press. Penn State says it didn’t know anything about the house, and it can prove it didn’t encourage the deal in any way.
Does Penn State go on probation?
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
In my opinion
Yes. The administration needs to know everything about a kid. WIth Mayo and Bush, there were red flags everywhere. In your case, Penn State would have to exercise their best judgment and pass on this kid (kind of like USC and Sidney, only they did this 3 years too late). Again, this is my view, I’m sure many disagree with me. If you take a kid who has shady relations like Bush and Mayo, you are asking for trouble.
Yes, absolutely
If some kid from the hood joins the team and suddenly his parents move into a big house in a nice neighborhood, or the kid is driving around in a ‘Vette, you need to raise a red flag. Ask questions. Is there an agent pal’ing around with your new recruit or his family? Where is all this money coming from?
It doesn’t take much to look at a situation and say “hrmm…. what’s going on here” and then ask around. Simply taking the easy “ah well, who knows, maybe there’s a good excuse, I don’t want to get involved” is burying your head in the sand and that is no different than a coach directly handing the kid a pile of money.
The NCAA needs to put the responsibility on the Universities, not the students. You’re basically saying as long as these programs play dumb they’re ok.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Well
Exactly how do you investigate the details of a grown adult purchasing a house that has absolutly nothing to do with you. It’s easy to scream “ACCOUNTABILITY!!!!” at the top of your lungs, it’s still another when you are being held accoutable for the actions of somebody you’ve never met.
USC can ask Reggie Bush’s parents how they bought the house, and Reggie’s parents are perfectly within their rights to say mind your own god damn business. What if they had saved the money over 30 years? You want to be a part of that lawsuit? “We assumed that Reggie was crooked because his parents are black and happened to buy a house….”. Good luck paying off that law suit if they pulled the schoalrship offer and were wrong.
These colleges do not have any authority whatsoever to do the types of investigations you seem to want to require of them.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
My point
Everything about Bush and Mayo screamed “LOOK OUT!” Especially Mayo to the point where the top teams WOULDN’T EVEN RECRUIT HIM. That is a red flag, and you know if you bring him on your campus you are putting your whole athletic department in peril.
common sense
You can play devil’s advocate all day and I’m not going to win, because this is a case of common sense. The fact is there were red flags early on, and the media reported on many of them. The coaching staff at USC ignored them. Bush’s family moved into a really nice house they didn’t own when he joined the team. They didn’t buy the house, they were just allowed to live there for free. And oh yeah, a sports agent owned the house… Had they bought the house, USC’s staff would be off the hook immediately, because it’s easy to find out who owns the deed to a property. If the money came from some mysterious third party and into the possession of the family, the bank will know about it and USC is off the hook again.
The fact is it’s the university’s responsibility to know why one of their mega-recruits suddenly drives a Vette when he grew up dirt-poor. It’s the university’s responsibility to know why a mega-recruit’s family just moved from the hood into a mansion they didn’t own. These coaches visit the player’s homes, they meet the family, the see them play at their highschools. You don’t have plausible deniability in those situations, because it’s common sense. And all the university has to do is conduct an investigation, because even a modest amount of digging reveals big red flags in these cases.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
oh, and everytime I type something like that out it looks like a confrontational, insulting argument. no hard feelings or anything I enjoy the discussion. I just hate the way the internet turns a discussion into an argument.
Maybe I should use more emoticons.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
That one looks like it’s faking happiness – like someone just gave it a crappy birthday gift.
DO YOU HAVE ANY PRIDE, DANNY?
"I hope after touchdowns this year all our players just point at Zug." - jtothep
by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he'd LIKE the DVD of the 2004 Penn State vs Iowa game
honestly
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 10, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure they played that year?
I cant find any evidence of that ANYWHERE, not the internet, intertubes, or even interwebs and most importantly in my mind.
Put a tarp on that circus! - showtime @ BSD
Devil's Advocates
get us through the off season sometimes….
Coaches do all of the things you say, but they don’t check tax returns or financial statements. They are in no position to make a decision as to whether the “advisor” in the kids ear is a concerned uncle or half assed wanna be agent. The parents aren’t always in the picture here, sometimes you take these kids as you find them.
If Paul Jones parents move, Penn State has an obligaiton to look in to the details of the move? I really think that’s bullshit. For one, I don’t see how they have any obligation to tell Penn State that they moved.
So does PSU has some obligation to monitor to home address of every one of it’s student athletes, along with every player they recruit, then, investigate if the trasaction is on the up and up? What about a car? Or a boat? Or if Mom decides to trade up into some new tits? Where is the line? If your right, and it’s just common sense, the rule should be easy to write.
What’s the rule?
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
if they don't tell Penn State where they moved
how will he receive his diploma? Plus all that fun junk mail my parents STILL get
by The JuggerNitt on Jun 10, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
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