Nitt Picks Has Its PR All Backwards
by KevinHD on Jul 16, 2009 8:30 AM EDT
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PrintWha. So guess who's joining the party?
We talked about this questionably logic'd story before, but I never expected the Conference's own trumpet to do their part to spread the word that our OOC slate is weak. Besides, the headline doesn't even say "weak OOC schedule", leaving the door open for the Big Ten bashing that separates Paterno's weak slate from the weak slate of all the "contenders" in the SEC and Big XII.
Hindsight is 20/worthless. The Big Ten is ramping up their CYA.
The Big Ten has a command center in Chicago where every play is scrutinized. Carollo doesn't expect to see 30 questionable plays from one coach. He will have full-time people grading each game from every angle. "I said, 'We'll know that we screwed up a pass interference at the end of an Illinois game before you call Coach. Let me sort through that a little bit and I'll give you some answers or I'll call you if it's really bad.' "
I mean I guess this is a good thing, but being able to review things like this and having the ability to say: "Yes Joe, the ref appears to be staring right at the ball as it bounces several times off the ground" doesn't actually make the officiating any better. It's like when you get screwed by Comcast your cable company and the poor bastard at the call center just keeps saying "We really are sorry we double charged you again this month." [/true story]
Desperate time call. Even the players are realizing the implications of media spin and its grasp on their destinies:
When Penn State gets finished destroying Syracuse in the afternoon on Sept. 12, the Nittany Lions will gather around TVs later that night and do the unthinkable.
They will be rooting - very hard, in fact - for their archrivals from Ohio State.
"We don't necessarily like Ohio State because you want to beat them so bad," PSU offensive tackle Dennis Landolt said, "but you always want to see the conference do good simply for national respect."
As Joe would say, let's focus on destroying 'Cuse first, but after that, yeah, another blowout could be trouble. USC is "rebuilding" so to speak, but the preliminary lines I've seen still have the Trojans favored by 6 points on the road.
In Scores Of Other Games. MSU working on an All-Ohio line?...Rittenberg calls Green and Moye two of the Big Ten's nine best "home run threats"...Speaking of PR, those interested might want to check out this multi-blogger interview. Highlight from Mgo: "I wish they’d offer me money (that would be disclosed, obviously) more. And I wish they’d email me about Purdue less."...and the sooner this show gets cut the better my life will be.
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Theory: the BTN reads Black Shoe Diaries
They’ve seen several BSD comments about the lack of respect for us from the Big Ten…and they decided to mess with us by trying to confirm such a notion.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
P.S.
That Russo rant has some portions that are almost as good as the Valenti rant.
“We. Have. Not. Conn-ECTED!!!”
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
Russo is so awful.
So transparent, so worthless. Just terrible. Trbl. I’m glad he’s dead last in Sirius’ ratings.
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by Run Up The Score on Jul 16, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
+(the population of NYC)
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seriously
I don’t remember him talking htis bad and fractured when he was with Mike (not that I listened that much), but I can’t stand listening to him alone.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 16, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Except for OSU...
Like it or not Tressel has matched Pete step for step in recruiting since taking over the reigns at OSU. It seems like the Buckeyes are always in the hunt for landing a top 5 class. If Pryor has his sh*t together this year….the Buckeyes should take this game at Columbus. Let’s not forget that if he had committed to PSU we would all be hailing him as the program’s future. As for our game with OSU…..I like us at home…..but the secondary is going to have to grow up quick!
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
I'd be HOPING for him to bring a good future to our program
but I’d especially be hoping that he gets his technique fixed gets into the strength room so he can stop throwing up arm punts
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 16, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he already has brought a good future to our program
With the success of our game last year and our QB recruiting this year.
Here’s to more success this year, care of TP!
Exactly. FUTURE.
Which is why he chose tOSU over us. God forbid someone make him sit a few years so he could develop as a QB.
BTN
FYI to anyone who has Cablevision in the NYC area. I just noticed while flipping channels last night that we now have the BTN as well as BTNHD. I was quite surprised and excited to see this!
by phanatic's phloozies on Jul 16, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions
What channel # ?
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Jul 16, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Channel 720 in the B10HD I believe.
by phanatic's phloozies on Jul 16, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome...thanks.
Any idea which channel is RD (regular definition)? I do not have a fancy-schmancy HDTV. In fact, my TV is old-school and has the built-in VHS player.
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Jul 16, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The question is
do you have the stand alone tape rewinder to go with it?
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
An even better question is
Do you have a car-shaped stand alone tape rewinder to go with it? I think we still have one of these in my house somewhere unless we threw it out.
Touche Salesman
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
In Amishland
isn’t a 13" black & white considered an HDTV?
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 16, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
nope
it’s a nightstand
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by afields16 on Jul 16, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
FYI I found out...
The B10N is part of the iO sports package along with a few other decent channels (NBATV, NHLTV, Golf, Vs.) and costs 5.95/month. They got my money…
by phanatic's phloozies on Jul 16, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The BTN article
The BTN actually lifted that article from the York Daily record via LexisNexis.
Having read the article it’s actually pretty fair. But it is disappointing to see the Big Ten pointing out our weak schedule.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
The overlook factor is huge
and nothing good ever happened in the first quarter of a noon start. Not that I was awake enough to notice, anyway.
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Temple was a couple of players away from a good MAC team last year.
Do they have anyone to replace Adam DiMichele?
Vaughn Charlton and Chester Stewart both have experience
Charlton will probably start given they RSd him last year to give him more years starting. He has quite a few career attempts IIRC. He’s decent but I don’t know if he’s the play maker that AD was, but the talent level at Temple keeps rising so it could be interesting to see how they do this year.
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by psuphiman80 on Jul 16, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Temple has an excellent schedule for a run at the MAC Championship
They play the 2008 divisional champs Buffalo and Ball State at home.
Their other six conference opponents all had losing records in MAC play last year.
Agree
And it’s the worse of both worlds. If we “struggle” to beat Syracuse, we’ll never hear the end of it in the media. And if Syracuse ends up going 7-5 or something, they’ll still be considered a terrible team because lags behind results (like Oregon State last year).
That's what I thought last year.
But yeah, not so much. They we’re really bad.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
Aside from the second play from scrimmage
where Clark was forced outside and coughed up the ball, it was one of the more dominant performances by the offensive line last year.
Hard to say
I think we’ll be a lot better, because Greg Robinson is gone, we didn’t really lose a lot (sure, a dozen or so bench players balked at Marrone’s radical notion that they actually had to work in practice), and Mike Williams is back (so we actually have a playmaker on offense now)… but it’ll still be a USC-Stanford 2007 level upset if we won. I’m hoping we can keep it within 20 points.
I hope it is a blow out for selfish reasons (our reputation)
But I wish Cuse well otherwise. A buddy of mine just signed on to play kicker for you guys so, I at least wish him well.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
So long as they go on to finish first or second in the Big LEast
I’m down with a better fight than last year. Plus, they’ve got OMG PAULUS, how could they be bad? It’s not like he’s been playing a different sport for four years…
Of course...
… it’d take something really special to be better than 6th, which we’re pretty much locked into because Louisville didn’t fire Kragthorpe, so there’s not much chance they’ll improve, whereas we might. I expect Pitt to win the conference (they’ve got the most talent coming back, and were only a game back last year), but I wouldn’t be shocked if anyone other than us or Louisville did.
usc vs. osu
no matter the outcome of the game, the big ten will be losers.
if usc loses, it’s because usc is in a down year. if usc wins, its because the big 10 is weak.
i think TNL did a piece on this.
I looked at Ohrnberger in the fourth quarter and he looked back at me. And we said, 'We're not losing this game"
It's a win win for me
If USC wins then that means OSU lost. Who here doesn’t enjoy watching OSU lose, seriously!?
If OSU wins, then when we beat then in November, it will increase our national reputation. Maybe we’ll be in the hunt for the big game if this happens!! Yeah baby!
if osu wins
and hypothetically we beat osu, and usc runs the table, who do you think will be ranked higher.
i just get the feeling that those in bristol will find any rationale to justify a lower b10 ranking.
hell, mark may selectively forgot the entire 2005 season/2006 bowl games just to prove his point and nobody called him out on it.
I looked at Ohrnberger in the fourth quarter and he looked back at me. And we said, 'We're not losing this game"
Depends
Are you saying PSU is 12-0 with a win over tOSU and USC is 11-1 with a loss to tOSU? I mean, obviously, PSU would be ranked higher. I know there’s a strong desire to attribute all sorts of biases to the media, but thinking it would be any opther way is beyond stupid.
If you are asking what if both PSU and USC were 11-1 — especially if PSU lost a game later on in the season than USC — well, it’s certainyl possible USC would be ranked higher.
Well, if we are both 11-1
And we beat OSU and USC lost, they would definitly be higher. Especially because their loss would have been earlier in the season. It is kind of a bane for PSU that most of our roadblocks are in the second half of the year, we may lose later than some other teams. That is just another reason why tough non con games are not bad; even if you lose, it was to a great team early in the season. The early loos gives you time to recover in the standings.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Not really
If we’re both 11-1, us with a loss to “someone other than OSU” and USC is 11-1 with a loss to OSU, that means we lost to a team worse than OSU. So assuming USC has a win of roughly equal quality to OSU, yeah, of course you’d rank them higher.
For some reason people want football to be transitive (“X beat Y beat Z so X is better than Z”) but that’s just insane.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Jul 16, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Who, though?
Their next toughest game is probably going to be Notre Dame, so unless OSU really drops off and starts losing to team like Illinois again, I’m not sure they’ll have an equal to OSU.
But it doesn’t matter, when you lose is still the trump card. It’s pretty much what got OU in over Texas last season.
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Someone from the Pac-10 could have a non-suck season, I guess, but yeah, for humans, objectively you would want to rank PSU higher if USC doesn’t really have a great resume.
Statistically, though, it’s tough to say: the Pac-10 is a BCS conference, and running the table on a BCS conference is hard. Some of the teams in the Pac-10 will probably end up ranked 20-40 or so statistically, so USC will have a stable of weak wins and a strong loss, and Penn State would have a strong win, a bad loss, and a stable of weak wins.
That’s a bit of a toss-up – you could easily imagine ranking USC higher if OSU is ranked close to Penn State, because in that case the PSU over USC over OSU chain just looks like 3 teams of equal strength playing tossup games, and then it becomes a question of the relative relation of the Big Ten/Pac-10, and the out-of-conference schedule victories. Notre Dame probably will have a better season than any of our non-cons.
“But it doesn’t matter, when you lose is still the trump card. It’s pretty much what got OU in over Texas last season.”
Nope. Oklahoma got pushed in basically because of the statistical rankings, for exactly the reasons I just mentioned. Oklahoma’s non-common schedule was a bit tougher than Texas (Cincy, Nebraska instead of Rice, Arkansas), and Oklahoma lost to a better opponent than Texas did.
If you had switched Oklahoma and Texas in the polls last year, it wouldn’t’ve been Texas/Florida. It would’ve been Oklahoma/Texas. The polls would’ve really had to push Oklahoma down – below Alabama/USC level – in order to allow Texas/Florida.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Jul 16, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
which probably would have happened
after the BXII championship game. If Texas wins the CCG the humans would have dropped Oklahoma in the polls in order to prevent that, just like Florida jumped Michigan in 2006 (granted Michigan did suffer an end of season loss).
I believe the voters will do whatever they can to prevent a conference rematch game in the MNC game (though perhaps that’s putting too much “confidence” in the mostly retared voters, by assuming they have any idea the implications of their votes)
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 16, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt it
I don’t think voters could’ve brought themselves to push Oklahoma down that far. I think what might’ve happened is that they would’ve pushed Florida up harder, giving us Oklahoma/Florida again.
Remember it’s the relative ranking of Texas/Oklahoma that would matter in that case: I can understand them pushing Florida between Oklahoma/Texas (probably because they knew that if they went Oklahoma/Texas they’d get a rematch) but going Texas/Oklahoma/Alabama/Oklahoma would make zero sense.
I could see Florida/Texas/Oklahoma (although oh, god, SEC bias in that case) which, like I said, would give an Oklahoma/Florida game again.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Jul 16, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
that should be “Texas/Florida/Alabama/Oklahoma” would make no sense.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Jul 16, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't argue with BBnW about da Computers
but I didn’t mean to be talking about BCS rank, just human polls and their relation to when you lost; obviously the comps don’t care about the timing of the whole thing.
I just remember OU being ahead of Texas in both of the human polls at the end of the pre-bowl season. My subjection opinion of this is that the timing of their loss had a lot to do with it, although I guess the CCG helped too.
As for what the voters would do if faced with changing their vote or having a BXII rematch, that’s an interesting question but I think the most likely thing that would have happened is what BBnW suggests: the SEC folks and non-BXIIers who sympathize would have pushed the hell out of Florida at the expense of the Red Rivers.
When Michigan was #2 after losing to OSU but then all of the sudden out of the MNC game by the end of everyone else season…that to me was the proof no one wants a rematch, even if it is an OMG conference (which the B10 kinda was until that fateful January).
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Please
The Oregon schools and Cal are going to be much better than ND (don’t buy the nonsense that has ND in the top 25, or even higher than that; remember that they lost to us — Syracuse! — last year). Heck, I suspect everyone on USC’s schedule except the Washington schools will be better than ND — and that includes San Jose State! Stanford, UCLA, and the Arizona schools should be halfway decent, and that’s more than ND can say.
1) Football ‘betterness’ is not determined by one game. Notre Dame lost to Syracuse, yes, but that doesn’t mean they were worse than Syracuse last year (c.f. any upset).
2) I was comparing Notre Dame to our non-cons, not to the Pac-10. Sagarin, Colley rankings for each:
Notre Dame: 53, 54
Eastern Illinois: 200, n/a
Akron: 108, 95
Syracuse: 104, 94
Temple: 98, 93
I don’t believe Notre Dame will be a top-25 school, but I do believe they’ll be a 6 or 7 win team. I don’t believe any of our non-cons will.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Jul 16, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Akron and Temple fans both think they're going to have improved years
and could be bowl eligible, so it’s possible.
by PSUisMyHeart on Jul 17, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel bad for knocking out Dimichele
since I think Temple would have won a few more games last year with him healthy
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 17, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I do too
Especially because Temple is kind of a “friend” to us, with Golden at HC. However, they would have had a few more wins had the Refs not totally screwed them over (I can’t remember if that was pre-DiMichelle or after. But I totally agree, they would have been much better, and possibly even bowl eligible with DiMichelle at the helm.
one of those games was I think a week or 2 before ours
but yeah, lots of screwing by the refs hurt, too.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 20, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
i truly
hope you are right. a 12-0 psu team definately deserves to be ranked above an 11-1 usc team.
it’s just that some people with votes will not see it that way.
I looked at Ohrnberger in the fourth quarter and he looked back at me. And we said, 'We're not losing this game"
LOL USC running the table
Come on. Even if they lose to tOSU, they’ll drop at least one PAC10 game because they let their hollier-than-thou, self-righteous, egotistical heads get the better of them.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 16, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because it's not like they haven't had undefeated regular seasons under Carroll before...
… oh wait, yes they have.
Too much to replace this year, sir.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 16, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
worse team + unwavering confidence that they're the best team ever to exist
does not bode well for the Trojans
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 17, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Secondary and everything on offense except QB should be better (and Corp’s no slouch, anyway; he’s yet another USC robo-QB). They’re not quite Ohio State on replacing the front 7 with equally good guys every year, but except for 2004→2005, they’ve pulled it off every year. New kickers, but that’s not likely to matter much.
Really, if not for the OMG WTF Tebow stuff coming from the SEC superiority cult.
In my defense, it's been a few years since they've had an undefeated season
Even though it was only 2005, they couldn’t even win in the shitty PAC 10 last year with zOMG GREATEST DEFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
That would be the 5-0 in bowls shitty Pac 10?
Just asking.
It’s like the boneheads you see claiming Ohio State can’t win big games, as though their 2002 national title was fifty years ago. Or that Syracuse is perenial doormat, as though we weren’t regularly in the top 15 in the late 1980s and all of the 1990s. Or that the Big East is a joke, as though Big East teams didn’t win three BCS games in a row before Cinci lost to VT last year. If you want to be a serious football fan, you have got to pay attention to the game outside of your home conference, accept that schools in other conferences may in fact be pretty good, and that your conference is not inherrently better (SEC fans have the most trouble with this, but you’ve also got west coast fans who think the Mountain West is better than the Big East, which is laughable, and other nonsense).
I mean, I wish I could say ACC football is a joke with a straight face; as a Big East fan, it would make me quite happy do so (and Miami’s collapse post-ACC raid makes me feel good inside). But BC and Virginia Tech have been pretty good in the post-raid era, even if they haven’t been national title contenders.
"Shitty PAC10" was sarcasm preceding the zOMG GREATEST DEFENSE
I meant to put quotes around that phrase. They’re team for team probably equal with us (with USC most likely ahead of all of our teams, but with Washington and Washington State WAAAAYYY behind even our beloved Indiana), and despite national resentment towards our conference, that’s not as bad as it would seem.
just wanted to point something out
Or that Syracuse is perenial doormat, as though we weren’t regularly in the top 15 in the late 1980s and all of the 1990s
And yet you chastise Penn State for expecting a good team in Syracuse in 2008-2009 when they scheduled them in 2001 (with Syracuse coming off a 10 win season and Penn State coming off of a 5-7 and 5-6 back to back seasons). I’m pretty sure that 2001 is only 2 years (with a 6-5 and 10-3 team) separated from “all of the 1990s”.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 20, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you might underestimating the hype Ohio State would get if they beat USC. The media seems to have a real love/hate relationship with Ohio State.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 16, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I welcome that hype.....
I would love OSU to be ranked higher then us coming into Beaver stadium in November. Game Day would be there and you know Lee would put the Buckeye nut head on! I think generally our fans and our team respond well to being the underdog!
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
for the love of god
please let Corso put on the buckeye
by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 16, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
We have a winner!
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 16, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
What
have I won?
Also, it’s a miracle we won, Corso is a plague.
by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 16, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You won a recommend
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 16, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda meant against tOSU
but that’s ok, I didn’t know he had actually put on the Lion’s head at any game, or even that Gameday was at Mich. St. 05
by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 16, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh.
Suppose it’s a close game, and neither loses another game. Which is quite possible. And that for some reason the Gators just don’t click as well this year as they did last year (also quite possible; how many teams that seemed destined to repeat as national champs failed to do so?) and lose a couple games. So the winner’s a lock for the BCS title game, and the loser’s very much in contention.
They lost
their best player. Harvin opened up the field and made that offense.
by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 16, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I also felt like Harvin made that team more than anyone else. Even with OMG TIM TEEEEBOOWWW
by PSUisMyHeart on Jul 16, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
so...wait....
if Harvin is the best player on the Gators, and Tebow is the best player in the history of college football…then….Harvin…is…better?…than…* computer brain explodes *
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 16, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I love
How Florida and the media just magically thinks they will replace Harvin because their back-up is SO EFFFING FAST!!!! How many fast players do nothing? Harvin was a great college player, the replacement may be fast not but a great player. Who knows.
I won't root for Ohio State in the USC game...
…Because everytime I do root for Ohio State, they screw up and lose.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 16, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
But...
Presumedly you didn’t root for them vs. Penn State in 2005/2008, and they still screwed up and lost anyway.
I think it’s more of a “Ohio State screws up and loses versus good teams” than anything you’re doing. :)
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Jul 16, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, yeah, you're right
Thanks.
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by ReadingRambler on Jul 16, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
What is with
The paranoia on this site? I understand it comes with the territory – but guess what – the schedule IS WEAK!!!
If PSU loses to Iowa, it won’t matter. If PSU runs the table, it will matter only if there are two other undefeated teams.
Stop kidding yourselves, the schedule is poor.
by InScoresOfOtherGames on Jul 16, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, but...
…barely poor.
Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater
Weak schedule
I think we are all a bit defensive in advance of the inevitable griping sure to come from the media regarding our schedule. And it’s not that it won’t be deserved — though it will quite possibly be overblown.
My personally annoyance is when people talk trash about how PSU “always” schedules weak non-conference, even though that is completely false. At worse, we schedule like an typical BCS conference team and I’d argue that we historically have had more difficult than average OOC schedule. 2009 is an abberation, not contiation of a pattern.
by Laaaaazzz on Jul 16, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 Right on the button.
My issue is not with this season. Yeah the schedule is awful, I know it, we all do.
I just absolutely hate the fact that MSM types seem to never want to acknowledge the fact that we traditionally are never this bad with scheduling. At worst we are average. I mean Its almost like Bama, Rutgers, UVA, and Nebraska? are on the schedule in the near future. Its almost like we didn’t grab OrSt at late notice to beef it up. Its like we didn’t talk to TCU and a couple other schools about this year. Its like I actually misremember playing ND, Miami, Nebraska, USC, Arizona, BC, UVA, Pitt, TexTech, et al. Its almost like we didn’t expect Cuse to be more powerful when we scheduled them.
I hate sounding like I am making excuses here, again nobody thinks this schedule is good, but come on. We traditionally schedule pretty well. The fin media is so shortsighted.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
I also hate when people try to point out that Cuse is rarely a great program
why do we have to schedule a GREAT program every year? When we scheduled them Cuse had something like 15 straight years with winning seasons, and was just coming off of a 10 win season. Not a powerhouse, but definitely not the bottom feeder we supposedly scheduled.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 16, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And I hate it...
… when PSU fans try to suggest they expected us to be a good team when they scheduled us, on the basis of that 10-win season, as if we weren’t 7-5 and 6-5 in the two years prior to that, and Dwight Freeney wasn’t going to be playing in the NFL after that season.
7-5 and 6-5 is a far cry from 3-9. A 7, 6, 10 win series looks like an average program with a good year. A 4, 2, 3 win series looks like a god-awful program.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Jul 16, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
that's the point I'm trying to make
it isn’t like Penn State thought you were gonna be a world-beater or anything, and that we’d have some OSU vs USCtype matchup. But we at least thought we’d be playing against a respectable team.
Michigan State is often a 5-7 win team, and I see them pop up as a “respectable, OOC BCS opponent” even before last year when they were actually decent.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 17, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
6-5 is not a far cry from 3-9
6-5 is a tougher schedule (because Rutgers stopped sucking, UConn replaced Temple, and the Orange’s suicidal OOC scheduling in the 2000s — ‘play anyone, anywhere’ is a nice motto for a good mid-major or USC, but not a rebuilding BCS conference team), a few bad breaks, and Greg Robinson coaching from 3-9.
just 8 minutes previously (at 3:29) you say this
Or that [people believe that] Syracuse is perenial doormat, as though we weren’t regularly in the top 15 in the late 1980s and all of the 1990s
So which is it. We should have respected your team and realized you’re not a perennial doormat, because you were regularly in the top 15 in the late 1980s and all of the 1990s, or should we have assumed you were going to be a perennial doormat because Rutgers stopped sucking 5 years after the agreement, the whole conference realigned after the agreement (actually making your schedule overall easier, I might add. UConn may be better than Temple, but Miami, VT, and BC are generally all better than WVU, L’ville, and Cinci), that you’d start scheduling much tougher, and that you’d fail to ever maintain your status or be able to rebuild your team, plus getting some bad breaks and a coach who was good at other schools but sucked as a HC at Syracuse?
I know in general you believe the second part, since that’s what you post most of the time, but then why say what you said just 8 minutes earlier?
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 20, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I compare 6-5 to 3-9 somewhere? I don't think so.
I listed three year time periods. If the team was a 6-5 mirage, you wouldn’t’ve expected them to put up a 10-win season the next year.
Likewise, believing a 3-9 team is really a 6-5 team in disguise when the two previous years they won 2 and 4 games is a bit delusional.
“and Greg Robinson coaching from 3-9.”
Hence our point. We had no idea Syracuse was going to go out and hire a complete moron.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Jul 20, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Although we do owe great thanks
to the epic suck of Gerg Robinson who is now employed by the hated Wolverines.
Say that again, dawson
It keeps getting funnier every time I hear it.
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?!?! You stupid monkey!
by leeharvey418 on Jul 21, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
All talk of a weak schedule will end in 2010
Alabama, @Michigan (should be a better team), Ohio State with an experience Cryor.
by Mr. Rosewater on Jul 16, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, @Ohio State, Michigan I think at home unless they circulate off the schedule again :(
by Mr. Rosewater on Jul 16, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Just gotta do research before you post, Mr. Rosewater.
’rines circulate off in 2011. IMO, they should NEVER circulate off the schedule. The game brings big money to both schools.
by Mr. Rosewater on Jul 16, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
2012
2012 is a concern. No Michigan and the primo non-conference game is Virginia 9though the other Big Ten team we miss is Indiana, which helps). We really really need to schedule a decent team for our last remaining open spot on 9/22/12 (especially to boost the home slate which is other terrible); scheduling a decent BCS conference team at home in 2012 and away in 2013 would be ideal.
I think it is that we all know that the schedule is weak.
And there’ve been enough national stories that it is weak. Everyone knows it is weak. Does the Big 10 mouthpiece really need to jump on the pile, though?
This would be like winning a race in school, qualifying us for some regional meet, but everyone saying, “well he wasn’t really that fast, everyone else was just slow”, and then going home to hear your parents/family say the same thing about you, and saying that even if we do go on to win in regionals it will probably be a fluke, or that those runners were also slow.
Ok, so that was a pretty crappy analogy, but basically we don’t need our own conference harping on the obvious as well.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 16, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You speak to the point, I think.
I’m not sure why the BTN is syndicating this, I mean do a google news search on “penn state” and you have thousands of crap stories to publish without even having to try.
Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.
My only gripe with the schedule.....
Is the FCS school. Two MAC oppenents (don’t forget….back in the day we always played Temple and Paterno is trying to help Golden and that program out) and a Big East Opponent, albeit it be Syracuse, is not horrific scheduling. The problem lies with E. Illinois. PSU should never be scheduling FCS (I-AA) opponents. Add another Big least team or pick somebody else up out of the MAC, conference USA, Sunbelt or a service academy. The problem with the Media is that they don’t call everyone out on it. The preseason #1 ranked Gators play Charleston Southern (didn’t know existed), Flordia International and Troy. Certainly no more glamorous than PSU’s OCC.
For those of you who ask why is BTN screwing a conference member…..the answer is simple it’s Penn State of course…..the red-headed step-child of the Big 10.
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
Eh
I think that’s a silly point. If we were playing Florida International instead of playing Eastern Illinois, do you really think the schedule would be acceptable? That’s silly. A OOC schedule is good or based based on the quality of the good teams, not the quality of the bad ones. If we played USC and Florida in two of the non-conference games, no one would give a crap if we played Lehigh and IUP in the other two.
The problem with our 2009 OOC schedule is that Syracuse is the only BCS conference team — and they are awful. We need a better, much better, top non-conference opponent than that (it would also be good to have 2 decent non-confernece teams, not one).
I personally find the complaining about 1-AA schools to be silly.
You are 100% correct about why the schedule sucks but
the media likes to harp on the FCS school fact. It wouldn’t really make our schedule much better but maybe they’d be picking on someone else. And while I don’t give a crap about what the media thinks, if that would increase our NC game chances even in the slightest, I’d prefer it.
by PSUisMyHeart on Jul 16, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
When does the media every harp about playing 1-AA schools? Honestly, I’ve never heard it. Something like 75% of BCS conference schools are playing 1-AA schools — and a bunch are playing two of them. The media gripes about weak overall schedules which can certainly include 1-AA schools, but repalce Eastern Illinois with Utah State and we’d still get absolutely hammered for our craptastic OOC slate.
Well
you might be right that the origin of the bashing is the lack of marquee opponent and that it’d still be there if we had another weak DI school, but I have seen a lot of bashing about Eastern Illinois. Plus it would help in the computer rankings. I read about how the BCS computers work somewhere and I think I recall the fact that an FCS opponent doesn’t count towards your computer rankings unless you lose. So they essentially don’t count the win and our computer rankings suffer. That might be erroneous though. And I guess the rankings won’t matter much if you subscribe to the “an undefeated Penn State will be in the NC game if there aren’t two other undefeated teams” theory.
by PSUisMyHeart on Jul 16, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Like it or not
the media focuses on the I-AA point a lot. I think if you substituted Navy for E. Illinois there would be no where near the bitchen. Don’t forget we got Bama in Tuscaloosa next year….so any gripen’ about the schedule in ’10 should be moot.
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
The media never focuses on I-AA when you have a solid BCS OOC opponent
See how the media doesn’t care about Florida and Alabama having I-AA opponents?
Because they also play Florida State and Virginia Tech.
If Penn State’s best opponent next year wasn’t Temple you wouldn’t hear the media complain about Eastern Illinois AT ALL. *
Expect the same in 2012 and 2013; middling-ACC team Virginia returns to the schedule. (If we’re going to schedule Big East teams and mediocre-for-the-ACC ACC teams, we need to have a backup quality opponent when if when things go wrong when people realize that Virginia is not Virginia Tech.
- If Syracuse – Gerg Robinson + Gerg Paulus looks OK vs Minnesota, I’ll review this statement.
Disagree
The media does not focus on 1-AA games. What did we hear about Oklahoma playing Tenn-Chattanooga or Florida playing The Citadel last year (you know, the two teams playing in the BCS championship). did you hear them complain about Texas Tech playing two 1-AA schools?
All the complaining about PSU’s schedule last year focused on a lack of a good team (conveniently and oddly ignoring the good team we did play in Oregon State who ended the season 9-4 and ranked). 1-AA teams may be named for emphasis, but that’s never the determinine of what makes a schedule good or bad.
And Navy is a lousy choice to come up with as a “replacement” for a 1-AA teams. As a 1 and done at home, they’d be terribly expensive. They are a semi-name teamm who has been pretty decent recently. If you want to make that argument, consider schools like Florida International, Eastern Michigan, New Mexico St, Western Kentucky, etc as a replacement for the 1-AA school… and realize that the extra $400,000 that PSU would have to spend to get such a school would get them exactly zero additional respect.
R u kidding me....
The 1-AA/FCS thing is harped on all the time. Even down here in SEC land. There is an article I just read today on Espn.com about BCS schools schduling FCS opponents. Realistically in modern scheduling you are only going to get one Marquee out of conference game. Like it or not there is the economics behind it. Cuse was good when we scheduled them….it just didn’t work out. Hopefully they play better this year and hopefully Temple will win the MAC or at least compete. Just think if Shula was still at AL that may not be that attractive of game….but the worm turned in Tuscaloosa and Saban has the Tide back on the right track. It is a shame we don’t play them this year with a vetern QB as that is not a favorable match-up for our presumed 1st year starter Kevin Newsome! As for spending extra loot for a non-BCS 1-A opponent…..I highly doubt it! Finally…….the lack of an FCS opponent does make a difference in the SOS rankings for the BCS…..especially with the computers.
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
well yes and no
the media harps on the general trend of 1-AA/FCS schools, but they rarely single out and chastise any single school for doing it, as pretty much all the big boys do. Occasionally you’ll see them commending certain teams for not doing it, but that doesn’t really make much of a difference.
As for help in the computers, yes, it would help not scheduling a 1-AA, but it doesn’t really hurt by scheduling them, since everyone else pretty much has that “penalty” as well. And a loss to a good opponent would hurt more than a win over a 1-AA school (though that shouldn’t be too big of a factor when it comes to scheduling)
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 17, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
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