Hold The Phone, Smizik Still Drinks For Free
BSD - The people have spoken. They want Fugi's post on the front page. So the front page they shall have. Now please disperse peacefully before we break out the water hoses and tear gas.
It took dear Bob Smizik exactly 24 hours and 45 minutes to add the "but" to his "Last Laugh Goes to Joe Paterno" post from the day before.
Anyone who says Joe Paterno is the greatest college football coach of all time doesn’t know what he or she is talking about.
No, I'm pretty sure they know they're talking about Joe Paterno being the greatest college football coach of all time.
And that’s no reflection on Paterno, who is a great coach.
But the greatest? How could anyone possibly know that?
So what you're saying is that you don't know what you're talking about either?
How much knowledge would a person have to have stored in their brain to make such an assessment. Even if there is someone who has seen all of Paterno’s games, all that means he’s barely seen anyone else’s games.
And if he has seen all the games, has he seen all the practices? Has he seen all the halftime adjustments? And does he know whether Paterno was doing it with better players than another coach with a similar record?
Well, I mean, they could write it down. It doesn't all have to go in their brain....but anyway, as far as "better players than another coach with a similar record" goes, isn't that part of being a great coach? I mean if you recruit better players than another coach, and win more games with those players because YOU RECRUITED THEM, doesn't that mean you're the better coach? If we were talking about the pros, that'd be one thing, but in college, head coaches have control of all personnel acquisition, meaning they get the credit for finding the players as well as putting them together and coaching them into a winner.
Better still, has he evaluated the strength of schedule of all the great coaches?
Just count the bowl wins. No one has won more big games than Paterno. That's not an opinion, it's a statistical fact.
Maybe the greatest coach of all time is Knute Rockne, of Notre Dame fame. who was 105-12-5? Or Pop Warner? Or Amos Alonzo Stagg? Or Bear Bryant?
I mean, I guess that's a fair question, but again, count the wins, the bowl wins, and most importantly, the longevity, because that's what really separates Paterno from everyone else. He's been doing it for so long, through so many eras, and at such a high level that even if a guy like Rockne seemingly had a better run over a shorter career, it doesn't matter: he didn't sustain it as long as Joe did.
Maybe it’s Pete Carroll? Or Urban Meyer?
Or Rich Rodriguez?
But he couldn't say that. It would simultaneously pis off Pitt, Penn State, and West Virginia fans all at the same time. even though we all know its true.
Until someone comes up with a legitimate system of ranking coaches, no one can claim to know who is the greatest. And there is no system of ranking coaching greatness nor will there ever be.
I've got an idea. Why don't you get off your partisan ass, make the grueling 2 1/2 trek to State College, and just walk around outside the stadium for ten minutes on a gameday. Forget the game. Look at everything that surrounds it. Look at the oceans of tailgating cars. Look at an entire city of people dressed in white. Look at the Bryce Jordan Center, or Jeffery Field, or Lubrano Park. Look at the library with his name on it. Look at the graduation rate. Look at the philanthropy. Then walk inside the stadium and feel the electricity, and ask yourself if you've felt it anywhere else in your career. Ask yourself if there has ever been a coach with a more lasting impact on the university and community he represents than Joe Paterno.
Some football coaches are great men. Some men are great football coaches. While it might be debatable whether or not Joe Paterno is the best at being either, you can't argue that he is the best combination of both that college football has ever seen.
Those goosebumps? They're my system. They're how I know.
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Well Said
+1
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
by psupride on Jul 17, 2009 6:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen, Brother
+ another one.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jul 17, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent...
….the last two paragraphs are spot on.
There is nothing better than gameday in Happy Valley. I have been to Wrigley Field, Fenway Park, Steeler games, etc. and there is nothing even close to the feel of Happy Valley on gameday.
There is one reason for that and it is Joe Paterno. I hope he coaches until he is 100!
WE ARE.......PENN STATE!
by Nick7 on Jul 17, 2009 8:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I got chills my friend, chills.
"The only cohesive passing game in the whole damn conference was in Happy Valley." -Rivalry Esq.
by BSmith717 on Jul 17, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with
all your points. But see, that’s why college football is so terrific. You can debate it with your friends over beers and barbecue. Or at the office. Or in the car. Hell, I want to do it all the time.
There’s no objective ranking for coaches? Really fella? Before you write an article like this again, stop and think. Does this need to be said? We know there isn’t, that’s why we debate these points. If there was a perfectly objective statistical ranking system it would be no fun. We wouldn’t need to debate it. It would come up, someone would say “Check the ranking,” someone would read it out loud, discussion over.
Hey Smizik, my friends I wish to make the point that every Democratic system of government is better than any Communist form. What’s that? There’s no official ranking? Oh ok, there’s absolutely no value in having the discussion then, and anyone who makes that point, “doesn’t know what he or she is talking about.”
by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 17, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent job, Fugi
I couldn’t have said it better if I had all day to try and do it. Kudos!
by BSM PSU 93 on Jul 17, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
First, this was excellent and rec'd
Second, has Smizik been hitting the absinthe or something? Did that make any sense?
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by Run Up The Score on Jul 17, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dare I say...
Bumped to the front page?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 17, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seconded
May Zug bestow his many blessings upon you, fugi.
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?!?! You stupid monkey!
by leeharvey418 on Jul 17, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fourteen recs! Front page!
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 17, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet Jesus...
I just started reading the comments on Smizik’s backpedaling, and also Smizik’s rebuttals of the comments.
Here are two fine gems:
How about this statement Bob? I’ll go on record as stating that Joe Paterno is hands down the greatest coach of “STUDENT-Athletes” ever.
The blatant emphasis on the word student is the key to Paterno’s greatness and legend. DUCY?
The same standard applies. How could you possibly know if he is the greatest coach of student-athletes unless you’ve examined every leading coach in college football history. What about the coaches at Harvard and Yale back in the days when the players TRULY were student-athletes? — Bob Smizik)
Um… you want to talk corruption and semi-pro players in College Football? Look no further than the Ivy League before WWII.
If we define greatness as winning, which is a fair definition in college society, then, by definition a great coach is one who wins a lot .
Otherwise, in college circles, you get fired.
Ergo, JoPa is a great coach.
Teaching, molding men – that counts for nothing today, at least in the college coaching business.
I said it before, and I’ll say it again – the person who empties bedpans in a nursing home does more important work than the so-called heroes of our society – JoPa among them..
(Paterno is not the winningest coach in college football history. — Bob Smizik)
Well no shit, Bob. The commenter never said he was.
Zug really needs to drop a rock out of the sky and smash this nimrod like a bug.
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?!?! You stupid monkey!
by leeharvey418 on Jul 17, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't all of Smizik's logic for not being able to rank coaches...
be applied to not being able to rank teams in a single season?
How do we know who is better last year Florida or USC? What about us vs. Texas? What about USC losing to Oregon State? Does that mean OrSU was better than USC?
Born and raised in the shadow of Mount Nittany
by Elihu on Jul 17, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’d love to see how he would decide who is the best team each year, because if you use his JoePa logic, there is always someone better than you. Or maybe it’s like kindergarten soccer: “everyone’s a winner!!”
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
by NJ lion on Jul 17, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Paterno have to be the greatest coach ever?
Isn’t being one of the top ten ever, and arguably the best sufficient? I mean there are several hundred college football coaches today. If there were the only coaches that ever lived, being among the top ten would put him in top 2%.
If he is only one of the top ten in the 50 or so odd years he’s been coaching, he would be in the one half of one half percent.
If he is one of the top ten coaches of all time (most would spot you that), and you assume there have been 25,000 college football coaches since the sport was invented, Paterno would be better than 99.9996% of them. Give or take.
Can’t that be good enough?
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Jul 17, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its barely good enough..
"Victory without honor is an unseasoned dish. It might fill you up, but it won't taste good" - Joe Paterno
by MilroyBoozer on Jul 17, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paterno would be better than merely 99.9996% of them
/Fixed for a Buckeye audience.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jul 17, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Between You And I?
Yeah, it’s good enough.
But only a read dick would come out and argue that he isn’t the way Smizik did. He didn’t research anything. He didn’t quote any sources. All he did was say that Paterno was not the greatest coach of all time to get people fired up. If you want to have a legitimate debate about this kind of thing, you put some effort into it. You don’t half ass your way through that kind of thing just to pis people off.
There was no reason for it.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by fugimaster24 on Jul 17, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Real* dick
oops.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by fugimaster24 on Jul 17, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And..
Thats why you end up with a real dick audience making real dickish comments
"Victory without honor is an unseasoned dish. It might fill you up, but it won't taste good" - Joe Paterno
by MilroyBoozer on Jul 17, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barely real dickish comments
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 17, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Merely real dickish comments
"Victory without honor is an unseasoned dish. It might fill you up, but it won't taste good" - Joe Paterno
by MilroyBoozer on Jul 17, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but barely.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 17, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Or, I barely agree.
"The only cohesive passing game in the whole damn conference was in Happy Valley." -Rivalry Esq.
by BSmith717 on Jul 17, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barely
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 18, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Somebody Say Dick
Heh-Heh-Heh-Heh-Heh
Elizabeth, the only person on earth working at the same job longer than JoePa.
by joefromboalsburg on Jul 19, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barely
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 19, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
love those last two paragraphs
those accomplishments are the standard of coaching i hold others to.
I looked at Ohrnberger in the fourth quarter and he looked back at me. And we said, 'We're not losing this game"
by psudrozz on Jul 17, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here-here
+1
Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.
by Kevin HD on Jul 17, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow Guys
14 Recs? I’m blushing.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by fugimaster24 on Jul 18, 2009 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You certainly earned them, Brother.
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?!?! You stupid monkey!
by leeharvey418 on Jul 18, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Front page!
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 18, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Respect the Rambler
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 18, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best reasoning I've heard
You hit the nail on the head Fugi.
And watching that video again right after was tough.
Joe Paterno IS Penn State. He’s more than the greatest/one of the greatest College football coaches of All-time, he’s the embodiment of an entire institution of higher learning. Penn State has achieved so much in addition to Football in many ways through what Paterno’s presence and principles means to the University. We Alums can only hope to bring a fraction of the same honor, pride, and excellence to Penn State through our life’s work that Joe Paterno has established as a standard for over 50 years at our great University.
Let me put this in another way….
In the great words of M.C. Hammer, “I TOLD you homeboy, U CAN’T TOUCH THIS!!!”
"A setback is just a set up for a comeback." -Drew Brees
by kajpsu on Jul 18, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gradulations
I believe that is the first MC Hammer reference ever at BSD.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 19, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed all around.
At the risk of sounding cheesy or rude or condescending or whatever, it is something beyond football and that only people close to the school can understand.
Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer, Mack Brown, Bob Stoops, et al. They are all great coaches in their own right. When I say Paterno is the greatest, I say it in regards to the total package. There is nobody even close to Paterno(In Major College Football, I honor the great Eddie Robinson) in a connection to the University. He has never coached anywhere else. He has been connected to us for near 60 years now. He has combined winning, and a certain social bond in State College that no other coach will be able to accomplish. Again, there are a lot of great football coaches around, some of them may be ‘better’ than Joe at just coaching. They also mean a ton to their Universities. No of them will be around only 1 school and for 60 years. None of them will have the ability to join the school when the school was young and shape it the way Joe has. it is just impossible for it to happen again. That is thing, Joe has been with PSU for so long it is incredibly hard to imagine it without him.
I mean no diss to any other coach, but what Joe has done just simply will never be done again, even if any other said coach is a great person as well.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Jul 18, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nicely said
but I got extremely sad and depressed when I read this line:
Joe has been with PSU for so long it is incredibly hard to imagine it without him
I almost don’t want to be in that world without JoePa. I know it has to happen, but at the same time realize that he’s got a lot of time left, and far too much spunk and energy, for that to be any time very soon.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 19, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always enjoy reading Fugi's posts
good job man. I will say I’m surprised you had the courage to read a Smizik piece, I usually zoom right past those because I always feel dumber after reading one. Liked your post a lot, but you do bring up an interesting argument about best coaching with regards to recruiting. Which is a better coach, one who brings in superstar talent, wins a lot of games, and sends flashy players to the NFL? Or one that brings in blue-collar players, coaches them up, wins a lot of games and maybe not send as many flashy players to the NFL? I know the SEC tends to favor the former, but I think the latter is the better of the two.
by WPIALkid22 on Jul 18, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Entertainment Purposes My Man
It amazes me how adverse the man is to remaining consistent on any issue.
That, and since he’s moved over to blogging, his grammer laevez a lto 2 b dizired.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by fugimaster24 on Jul 18, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Ol' Post-Gazette
Seems everytime something remotely positive is written about PSU, the Pitt fans start foaming at the mouth and leave a bunch of nasty comments re-hasing the same old crap (i.e. “There’s nothing better to do in State College, unlike in Pittsburgh” “We beat you the last time, even though you were in the midst of your bad years” “Your coach is a senile old man”). Quite amusing, actually.
http://www.happyhourvalley.com/
by Happy Hour Valley on Jul 19, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
threadjack'd.
It’s been a topic of recent discussion over at FOS, and I really don’t feel like starting a new post for it, but…A.J. Wallace’s Twitter feed is less than flattering.
Good to see that Cornley smashes Twitter, though.
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by Run Up The Score on Jul 19, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really do hate twitter
but now there’s JayTweet AND SMASHtweet? If there’s an authentic ZugTweet, I might actually have to bookmark these twitter pages (but I will never join) and follow them outside of a link from BSD.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 19, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t understand the point of twitter when most people who use it also have facebook pages.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 19, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally? I use it as an RSS feed for dummies- so any blog I follow, I can keep track of new posts. That and some of the comedians on there are kinda funny. But I don’t update like, ever.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jul 20, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, so is there a use for it
Thanks.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 20, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the least I can do, your majesty.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jul 20, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Less than flattering?
I honestly don’t understand most of it (“Its ShowTime… Bouta drive to Gun Hill…Chill for a lil n hit tha block runnin..Dis nigga Vasquez better not b still sleep like a lil gurl”) but I have a hard time seeing anything too horrible in it.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
by psu on Jul 19, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m too white country to understand what’s he saying.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 19, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, actually
It has less to do with me being white too country and more to do with me being unable to understand twitspeak.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 19, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see DJ Supernova still hanging around the players.
Clearly, nothing bad could possibly result from that.
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by Run Up The Score on Jul 20, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
Did no one notice his background being a USC receiver with the ball in his hands? If I was trying to make myself look “fresh” or “fly” or whatever, I don’t think that’d be the picture I’d choose.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by fugimaster24 on Jul 20, 2009 5:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's just keepin' it real, Fooj.
Or something.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jul 20, 2009 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give him a break
It was one of the rare instances that day where he kept the receiver in front of him.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
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