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The new Heisman Pose?  Probably not.

I didn't know they still gave that thing out.  The Big Ten Bloggers voted in the unorganized, haphazardly way you would expect.  LTP tallied the results, and the main talking point seems to be this:

Heisman Hopeful: Terrelle Pryor
Yes, I know, not much of a shock here. However, as BHGP so eloquently pointed out in his unsolicited essay responses, "This can only go to an offensive skill position player on a high-level team upon whom his team depends at a surreal rate. This necessarily excludes all players but two: Pryor and Royster." It is scary to think we all had the same thought and the ballot box was almost unanimously either Pryor or Penn State's Evan Royster. The only non-Royster/Pryor ballot came from Enlightened Spartan who cast a lot for Juice Williams.

I would argue that Royster doesn't actually qualify; Green gets way too many carries for the former lacrosse player [/you've been espn'd!] to even get a mention.

I like this because it tells me everything I already knew about the Heisman: Clark was named first team All-Big Ten and didn't share snaps in his bowl game, yet he's a distant inclusion and not even BTBers vote getter.  Cue the June Heisman odds.

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June Heisman odds If there is one thing this humble sports gambler will never bet on it's Heisman odds in June.  I would argue that, despite the defined purpose of the award, a player's "outstandingness" makes up about 7% of what it takes to win the thing, and therefore predicting who will win is a foolish exercise, weighted to screw the better anyway.

But don't tell Ohio State fans that:

Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks Terrelle Pryor has a more than legitimate shot at the 2009 Heisman Trophy.

The odds for college football's most prestigious individual award have started to be released and Pryor is gaining some respect on a lot of sites around the net. BetUs.com and Sportbet.com have Pryor fourth on their list at +800 and +700 respectively....

A couple of things:

  • Pryor is fourth on the list but also at three to four times the odds of the first three guys.
  • His coaches thought so much of him last January that they gave the backup half the passing attempts against Texas.  The backup was also nearly twice as efficient with his throws
  • The backup was not a Heisman candidate.
  • Before you start: everyone looks good in their spring game, especially quarterbacks. 
  • This thing will always be a popularity contest, and Ohio State fans have to have someone to bet on. 

11W goes on to list five things he needs to do to pass the front-runners, which, like, if anyone were to beat USC, put up "Nintendo Numbers", and play for a team in MNC contention they would be giving a December speech in NYC.  That list is much less a Terrelle Pryor Checklist and much more a Heisman Trophy Formula.  And a good one at that.

Backhanded jokes.  OMG Four-star DE Dakota Royer did one of those interviews with the local paper where he lists his finalists and then gives little clips where he says the best thing he can about each one.  Penn State was "nice", and the best he had for the also-finalist Wannstedters?

Pitt — "It's pretty cool that the Steelers are right there."

Seriously.  I didn't make that up.

More in Schadenfreude.  I received an email notification about a comment left on Derrick Williams' Wiscy TD return, and, well, long live the bottom line!

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It's like some type of awesome time capsule.

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“It’s pretty cool that the Steelers are right there.”

“Seriously, did no one tell him about the rivers? THERE’S THREE! And Primanti’s! What am I paying you people for?”

“Mustache grooming, sir.”

“Ah, yes. Very good. Continue…”

Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jul 2, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the hit at .07

who made that? note the scream after the impact.

I looked at Ohrnberger in the fourth quarter and he looked back at me. And we said, 'We're not losing this game"

by psudrozz on Jul 2, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ohio State would have won the Fiesta Bowl if they had lined Boeckman up in max protect.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Jul 2, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ahhh memories...

The Toledo Rocket Shit SpaceMen over scUM.

Also, Primanti Bro’s should be a recrutiting tool for Wannstache. Hell, it’s better than using their fan base.

"The only cohesive passing game in the whole damn conference was in Happy Valley." -Rivalry Esq.

by BSmith717 on Jul 2, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

its actually 10X better

but then again, what’s 10 X 0?

I looked at Ohrnberger in the fourth quarter and he looked back at me. And we said, 'We're not losing this game"

by psudrozz on Jul 2, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair,

the backup shouldn’t have been the backup.
 

His coaches thought so much of him last January that they gave the backup half the passing attempts against Texas. The backup was also nearly twice as efficient with his throws.

Still, this year’s Heisman race had already been won by one of those three since the end of last year’s Heisman race. My guess is that as long they put up similar numbers, the Colt McCoy sympathy vote, or the OH EM GEE TIM TEBOW IS JESUS vote win out.

by PSUisMyHeart on Jul 2, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So there’s a kid from western PA, 5-star very highly recruited QB, has a rough but promising first season, comes into the next season with a great spring game, all the hype about NC’s, Heismans, undefeated seasons… Where have I seen this before?

Am I the only one who feels like OSU is in for the same cruel realization we were coming into the 2007 season? The parellels are pretty significant.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Jul 2, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

I think the most significant difference is that Pryor can run, which is a nice backup plan when it turns out you aren’t actually very good at finding your receivers and throwing actuate passes. That other guy had no such skills.

But that being said, he had Wells, an experienced line, and several years playing QB in HS, so I’m not sure why he looks so one dimensional on the pocket. I watched part of the OSU-Wiscy game this past Saturday and the TV crew was highlighting Pryor missing completely open guys in the middle of the field.

Some players pick that stuff up but a lot don’t. In which case this could be fun.

Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.

by Kevin HD on Jul 2, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like someone else said in another thread

If Ohio State fans are worried about him learning to make good reads (as 11W seemed to be), then it might be a bit early to be concerning themselves with Pryor making a Heisman run.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Jul 2, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe

They seriously made one of his criteria to put up “nintendo” numbers. They should have just made one of the criteria “#6.) Win the Heisman.” No kidding, if you play for a national championship contender and put up 6000 yards and 40 TDs against 3 picks with 2000 yards rushing, a 10 ypc and 14 rushing TDs, you can win the Heisman?

If that’s the case, Matt McGloin has just as good a chance as Pryor. He just needs to:

1) Become a better QB
2) Get a scholarship
3) Hope Daryll Clark transfers to Delaware State
4) Improve his reads and accuracy so hes constantly throwing completions to open receivers
5) Make sure every other pass is a TD
6) Make sure all completions are over 20 yards
7) Locate the sorceror’s stone
8) Rush for 1 TD a game
9) Dispel all rumors that he is Mike McQueary’s illegitimate son
10) Lead Penn State to a National Championship game
11) Rig the voting

See? It’s that simple. Using 11W’s formula, TP better look out, McGloin is hot on his tail.

Note: Zug is above the Heisman. In fact, Heisman wants to win the Zug Award.

by swiggy04 on Jul 2, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"9) Dispel all rumors that he is Mike McQueary’s illegitimate son"

Why would he want to dispel those rumors?

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Jul 2, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You got me there

I guess it would be so he can confirm the rumors that he is actually Mik McQueary’s legitimate, biological son.

by swiggy04 on Jul 2, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Royer...

Found that article very interesting. Turns out the pool he jumped out of was in my home town of Elizabethtown. I played golf with Etown’s ex football coach over the weekend. He still has a lot of contacts and the word is that Manheim Central will be a monster squad this year…state championship quality at least. You would think with the interest he has in agriculture that PSU would have a major edge over some of the other schools on his list…Pitt for one.

by phanatic's phloozies on Jul 2, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sophomore Jinx

Most B10 schools played Pryor pretty neutral last year. Now that they have a years worth of film on him they will tailor their defenses to stop his strengths and force him to rely on the weakest parts of his game to beat them. This happens to many phenomenal freshman when they get to their sophomore year commonly referred to as the sophomore jinx. He may not look as good as he did last year.

by ageing lion on Jul 2, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He may not look as good as he did last year.

Uhhhhhh….

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Jul 2, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so his arm punts into the middle of nowhere will be even LESS successful?

He also doesn’t have Wells to draw the pressure off of him. I don’t know how his backup will do, but his YPC was about half of what Wells’ was last year.

Either OSU fans know something the rest of the world doesn’t, or their delusional…

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 2, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"arm punts" = genius

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Jul 2, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve always enjoyed the term “punterception”, myself.

Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jul 2, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.

by Kevin HD on Jul 2, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that is going to be his big problem this year

Everyone is going to force him to throw the ball. Teams are going to put 7 or 8 in the box and just let Pryor beat them with his arm. And the thing with Pryor is his “ZOMG HE RUNS LIKE A DEER” ability only works if the defense respects his arm enough to pull LB’s into coverage.

the thing to remember though, is that Tressel is a fantastic coach. He’ll cover for Pryor’s weaknesses.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Jul 2, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But how?

Wells is gone and the receivers are gone.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Jul 2, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't you know?

OSU doesn’t rebuild, they reload. If you ask any OSU fan, every single replacement will be better than the guys from last year, including first rounders Wells and Jenkins.

OSU is nothing more than a hype machine fed by delusional fans. ’Nuff said.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Jul 2, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, I believe Tressel will cover for Pryor's weaknesses

but, it is kinda hard to win the Heisman if you aren’t allowed to throw the ball.

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 2, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big Ten Bloggers Awards

Gotta love a Upset of the Year award given to two teams who do not even play, and an acknowledgment of that—but only in the small print underneath the Award Title, which stands. Top shelf work.

Anyway, I’ll take OSU over USC as Big Ten Upset of the Year.

When I say to a kid, ‘Hey, get ready to get knocked on your rear end,’ I also tell him, ‘Learn. Learn why you got knocked on your rear end. --Joseph Vincent Paterno

by jtothep on Jul 2, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For the record

I voted ILL @ OSU, although despite the push I’ve been giving the Zookers as a dark horse that still seems like a major stretch. The thing is the only real ‘upsets’ based on our preseason perceptions have to involve someone beating either OSU or PSU, and picking someone like MSU or Iowa isn’t much of a reach.

Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.

by Kevin HD on Jul 2, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"The only cohesive passing game in the whole damn conference was in Happy Valley." -Rivalry Esq.

by BSmith717 on Jul 2, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FAIL

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Jul 2, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by The JuggerNitt on Jul 2, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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JEHEHEHEHAHAHAHEHAHEHA
’HEEEHHEHEHEHEHAHAHAHEHEHAHHAHAHA

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 2, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AHAHAHAHAHEHEHEEHAAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHEHAHAHAHA

AHHAAHEHEHAHEHEAHEOHEOHAOHOAHEOAHEOHEOEHAOHEAOHEOAHEOHOAHEOAHHEAOHHEHOAHAOEHOEAHEHAHEHEAE

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 2, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHA

He can’t even hold up the trophy! It’s called weight training my friend, most QBs do it.

by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 2, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First thing I thought

He’s having a hard time not dropping it

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Jul 6, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't wait til he comes out

The Emu just screams GAY!

"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09

by kmblue on Jul 2, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Sean Lee gets every second place vote & no other player ...

gets 50% or more of the first place votes, he will win the trophy. I think we should have a campaign to get every voter to put Sean Lee second or higher. Has there ever been a better pure defensive player as a Heisman candidate? He was practically a coach last year. Teams won’t be able to avoid him because of Bowman. He always says the right thing in interviews.

Born and raised in the shadow of Mount Nittany

by Elihu on Jul 2, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And if they try to avoid Lee or Bowman, O NOES, it’s either Super Stupar or Mauti the Marauder.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Jul 2, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think teams will play their

game or will they look at our new car smelling secondary and decide they can be exploited?

What’s the INT record for a MLB? Maybe Nintendo numbers work for D as well.

Sean Lee needs to do the following to win the Hiesman:
1) 175 tackles – all solo
2) 12 INT (5 ret for TD)
3) 15 Sacks
4) 37 TFL
5) Break 5 QB’s in half

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jul 2, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FOR THE WIN

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Jul 2, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09

by kmblue on Jul 2, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pryor

1. I’ve always wanted espn classic to show the bottom line for the night of the game they are showing. How no one at the WWL has thought of this is in no way surprising.

2. Troy Smith was 900 to win the heisman going into the year he won it. The year before he posted 160 rating, 2800 total yards and 16/4 TD/INT

Pryor: 146 rating, 1900 TY, 12 tds, 4 picks.

Add in the chances of tOSU going undefeated compared to their campaign in 2006, and there is no way he has anywhere near an 11% chance of winning.

http://sportinvestments.blogspot.com

by HolyBuckeye on Jul 2, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

900 = +900

http://sportinvestments.blogspot.com

by HolyBuckeye on Jul 2, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i believe he won that before

ohio state lost 2 straight national title games.

thanks for those.

love,

the rest of the big11ten

by psuwxman on Jul 2, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Since winning the MNC is so relevent to winning the heisman trophy. Thanks for the contribution.

http://sportinvestments.blogspot.com

by HolyBuckeye on Jul 3, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my point is that

i’m pretty sure any mention of the big ten (outside of the big ten) since those two games now tends to get an eye roll and a deaf ear when it comes to the heisman. especially another quarterback from ohio state.

those games sure as hell did not help you. or anyone else in the big ten.

by psuwxman on Jul 3, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok.

So thanks for clarifying, but I’m a little confused…What is your point trying to prove?

If I came on a PSU blog and said “tOSU IS SO AUSOME!! WE ARE GOING UNDEFEATED BECAUSE WERE THE BEST AND PRYOR IS GONNA BE HEISMAN!!@! WOO!!” then your attempt at a snark comment would make sense. Unfortunately, that is not what I said. I clearly stated that his chances of winning the heisman are slim, and not anywhere near better than 11%.

I’m pretty sure my Mother is aware that the big ten’s reputation is hurting. So once again, thanks for the insight.

http://sportinvestments.blogspot.com

by HolyBuckeye on Jul 6, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just for comparison to another B10 QB returning this year

143 rating, 2874 TY, 19/6 TD/INT, with a fairly decent chance of going undefeated in 2009 (though mostly due to a real weak SOS and the only 2 “hard” games being at home) compared to most seasons.

Of course, the SoS and team name will destroy any chance he has at the Heisman.

by The JuggerNitt on Jul 3, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know phillysportz3

and he hates michigan more than anyone i have ever met in my entire life. he probably gasm’d when he saw that again.

by psuwxman on Jul 2, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate them more,

thanks

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Jul 3, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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