Penn State Receiver Charged With DUI
by BSD on Jul 20, 2009 3:30 PM EDT
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Fight on State is reporting that Penn State wide receiver James McDonald has been charged with DUI.
According to papers filed in Centre Country Monday, Penn State senior receiver James McDonald has been charged with DUI.The date of the alleged infraction is not listed on the criminal docket report.
But the report indicated that the alleged infraction took place in State College Boro. The arresting officer was a member of the State College police force.
According to the report, McDonald has a blood alcohol level of between .08 and .10 at the time he was pulled over.
As far as the effect on the 2009 season, this has zero impact. McDonald is a fifth year senior with six career catches. He's been in and out of Joe's doghouse his entire career and has even been suspended in the past. If suspended, he will not be missed.
It's a shame to see someone's career destroyed over what basically amounts to a beer and a half, but Mr. McDonald may be at the end of his rope on this one. As I mentioned, he's been less than the model student athlete in the past, and Penn State is also facing a numbers crunch as they have to shed three or four people to get under the 85-man scholarship limit in time for the fall. Mr. McDonald may have just volunteered to take a bullet in that regard. Especially if he already has his degree.
The worst part about this is it will give more fuel to the fire for those who want to keep saying Joe Paterno has lost control of the team. I'm sure people like Gregg Doyel are warming up their pens while ESPN starts loading the van for the Outside the Lines crew.
May no act of ours bring shame and all that.
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Although a career ending DUI is never a good thing...
it could certainly be much worse. Joe will hopefully make an example of McDonald. As far as the depth chart goes I think this actually helps. I was afraid we might see a lot of McDonald this season do to his senior status and I have no faith that McDonald in the lineup is a good thing at all. All in all compared to last off season we are doing alright.
"All in all compared to last off season we are doing alright."
Don’t jinx us.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 20, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I just jinx us by saying not to jinx us?
And is this post a triple jinx?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 20, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Your breakdown:
3:44 pm – Ji*xed
3:55 pm – Still technically ji*xed. Saying “don’t do it” doesn’t reverse it.
3:56 pm – Excessive use of the word ji*x means we can simply start flipping the switch: use 1 (un-jin*ed), use 2 (jin*ed), use 3 (un-ji*xed) means we are good to go.
4:29 pm – The rule above would apply, however using the J word six times is by rule an automatic implication.
So we are currently screwed, but I’m on the scene.
coughjinxcough
Alright, we’re cool.
Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.
by KevinHD on Jul 20, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How bout now?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
*yawn*
OH MY GOD THE PROGRAM IS OUT OF CONTROL.
(Seriously, no biggie. If it was Quarless, I might have shot someone, though.)
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by Run Up The Score on Jul 20, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
If it was Quarless, I might have shot someone, though.
If it was Quarless, I’d be afraid that he already did that for you.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jul 20, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
beat me to it.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!" -Time Crisis
Huh
I always thought PA was still .10.
But regardless, and I feel like I’ve said the 1,00 times: how do you get a DUI in State College? Everything is walkable, the vast majority of parties are within 3 blocks of Beaver Ave, and even the cabs are like $5 for a trip anywhere you want to go (although I didn’t realize this until after I finished school).
Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.
It's been .08 for some time now.
And yeah, the entire world knows that cops in that area don’t do anything except hand out DUI’s. McDonald is guilty of stupidity more than anything else.
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by Run Up The Score on Jul 20, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupidity
And a touch of bad luck. To drink 2 beers and then get arrested would really suck.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
no way 2 beers got him that high of a BAC
the 2 beers was basically the amount that likely got him over 0.08.
He’s around 200 lbs. Let’s say he’d been drinking for 3 hours. 6 beers would have him at 0.08, 7 beers at 0.10.
Even if he shotgunned 2 beers and went out, it would only have him at ~0.04.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 20, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Barely
"The only cohesive passing game in the whole damn conference was in Happy Valley." -Rivalry Esq.
For a mere 6-ish beers.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jul 21, 2009 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Driving around State College
I think there is a small amount of football players who drive everywhere they go. Maybe they get sick of people stopping them on their way to class, or running into tough guys with beer muscles on a Saturday night.
When my wife and I were in school, she had a class with Curtis Enis. They had to work on a project so they met in Pollock library which is, what, 100 yards from Nittany Apartments? Anyway, when they got done and were leaving Enis offered to give her a ride home since he drove to the library. She was shocked that he basically drove across the street, but he said he pretty much drove everywhere on campus. I don’t know if it was laziness or just the fact that he was Curtis Enis and probably couldn’t walk down College Avenue without having to pose for a dozen pictures. I imagine it’s worse for athletes today with everyone owning a cell phone camera.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
I lived with a football player for 2 years
And he drove everywhere, it had nothing to do with being bothered, he was just lazy and he liked his truck. While the rest of us walked he would drive, including getting drunk and driving the 2-4 blocks back to our apartment. Yes he was a defensive lineman.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
Probably is.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
Honestly
Our players go through rigorous practices (I’m not sure it’s every day, but it’s definitely multiple times a week: drills, weight training, cardio (running laps etc.), and scrimmages. I’m an entirely lazy person as it is (although I do walk anywhere I need to go when I’m on campus or to go downtown, and only take the bus if I’m A) late, or B) there’s a great chance my balls might freeze and snap off walking to class), but I really don’t blame a football player, who’s busting his ass in practice for hours a day wanting to take a car instead of walking into town. While this does increase the risk of these DUI situations happening, for everyday things, I really can’t fault them for being “lazy” and wanting to drive instead of walking somewhere.
My roomate did it all year long
but that was just him and I am certain that the vast majority of football players and college students for that fact have enough brains and gumption to walk, especially after drinking.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
here's what I don't get
he could drive downtown, that’s fine. But how does a football player not have enough friends that would offer to drive him wherever he wanted to go?
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 22, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
From my perspective
I wouldn’t want to impose on my friends like that, like they were my personal chauffeurs. I’m sure people would jump at the chance, but I would feel guilty if I made my friends do that just because I had sort of a celebrity status on campus.
I'm not saying he should make friends do that
but even without celebrity status it is always easy to find a friend willing to drive you home from the bar, either a DD, or someone willing to pick you up. it isn’t like you have to be a leech, either, as there are always ways to repay favors.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 23, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Just to play devil's advocate (b/c I love that game)
I can understand why football players drive almost everywhere. It could be the fact that they’re constantly being tackled and running drills, and they’ve got to be somewhat sore the majority of the time.
However, driving after drinking is just plain stupid. Unless you’re driving an Amish buggy, in which case you’re not really even driving. You’re just sitting in the back seat while the drunk horse drives.
/amish’d
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Jul 20, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm asking this as a serious question
and I figured you’d know even though you’re not Amish. But do they drink? I know the whole shunning of technology part, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard if they brew their own ales or something. Just curious.
Hell yes they drink
DUIs in buggies are way more common than most people would ever think.
They grow their own tobacco, too.
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?!?! You stupid monkey!
by leeharvey418 on Jul 20, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You haven't lived
until you seen a liquored-up Amish guy trying to bicycle home along a highway.
Amusing and scary simultaneously.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jul 21, 2009 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Only the "Bad Amish" drink
According to totaldui.com:
Amish Buggy DUI
The Standard Journal has reported a most unusual DUI. According to the report, Steven David Hostetler was arrested for DUI in Watsontown, Pennsylvania while allegedly driving an Amish buggy while intoxicated. Hostetler was reportedly driving his horse-drawn buggy down the road with no visible lights when he was stopped by police. When the cops asked him if he was Amish, he reportedly told them that he is a “bad Amish.” He explained to police that he had left the religious sect but later returned. He had driven his buggy to the Watsontown carnival earlier in the evening and later drank about 12 beers before attempting to drive his buggy home. Hostetler reportedly failed a field sobriety test and was arrested for Pennsylvania DUI.
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Jul 21, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I think for it to be a DUI
The horses should be drunk too.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
That is awesome
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I grew up in
New Holland – right in the thick of it. Most Amish teens are given two years to live the “English” lifestyle and get it out of their system then come back to the church.
During those 2 years they party more than all of us put together. Amazing, they still look Amish even though they are wearing more stylish clothes.
They also drive crazy rockin cars. I’m talkin 60’s & 70’s muscle cars that have engines re-built for street racing. And believe me they would street race.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
New Holland
Very close to a village which gets my vote for most.. interesting name in PA. Blue Ball, Pennsylvania.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently, you've never been to Intercourse or Fertility
Or Buttsex, PA, for that matter.
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by Run Up The Score on Jul 21, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, those were too easy
P.S. Intercourse, PA sounds hot
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Like the idiot I am
I just googled Buttsex, PA. I knew about Intercourse, PA, and figured if a town would name themselves after sex (they didn’t btw), there’s got to be a Buttsex, PA as well as Intercourse.
I looked up Intercourse, PA, just because I had nothing to better to do, so I could read about their history. They also mention three other towns in the vicinity: Blue Ball, Paradise, and my personal favorite: Bird-in-Hand, PA
As if you needed another reason to laugh hysterically at the names, they all have high percentages of Amish and Mennonites, renowned for living an ultra-conservative lifestyle.
If you’re planning on visiting here are some notable sites (this is all real via wiki): The Intercourse Pretzel Factory, Best Western Intercourse Village Motor Inn and Restaurant, Intercourse Village Bed and Breakfast Suites, Intercourse Canning Company, Stoltzfus Meats & Deli, Leacock Furniture, The Bird-in-Hand Friends Meetinghouse, Bird-in-Hand Family Inn, Bird-in-Hand Bakery, and if your in the religious mood, might I recommend attending Bird-in-Hand United Methodist Church.
Then there is
Virginville. Surprisingly not that close to Blue Ball.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
If it were closer...
It wouldn’t be virginal, and the balls wouldn’t be blue.
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?!?! You stupid monkey!
by leeharvey418 on Jul 22, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Lies. There's no such place as Virginville anymore.
Zug went there and now they just call it The ’Ville.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 22, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
he actually didn't go there
just drove through on 143.
Same effect, though.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 22, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad Amish
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
"Jack 'Pappy' Stoltzfus"
That is full of WIN.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yuenling doesn't have a nice label on the outside
And they’re amish, they just aren’t that cool.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
I can't believe
That PA actually has the DUI law specifically mention Buggys as a definition of “driving” while under the influence. Horses are not stupid animals, so even if Drunky McNoelectricity was drunk, I find it hard to believe the horses are going to be swerving all over the road. I could be wrong since I sure as hell don’t live anywhere near PA Dutch country.
I think it is stupid as well
I can see perhaps horseback riding, since you can still then injure yourself, but really drunken buggy driving?
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad Amish Joke
An Amish woman and her daughter were riding in an old buggy one cold blistery day. The daughter said to her mother: ‘My hands are freezing cold.’The mother replied: ‘Put them between your legs and your body heat will warm them up.’ The daughter did, and her hands warmed up.
The next day the daughter was riding with her boyfriend who said: ‘My hands are freezing cold.’ The girl replied: ‘Put them between my legs and the warmth of my body will warm them up.’ He did and warmed his hands.
The following day the boyfriend was again in the buggy with the daughter. He said: ‘My nose is cold.’ The girl replied: ‘Put it between my legs, the warmth of my body will warm it up.’ He did and warmed his nose.
The day after the boyfriend was again driving with the daughter, and he said: ‘My jimbraski is frozen solid.’ The next day, the daughter was driving in the buggy with her mother again, and she asks: ‘Have you ever heard of a jimbraski?’ Concerned the mother said: ‘Why yes….. why do you ask?’ The daughter replies: ‘They make a heckuva of a mess when they defrost, don’t they!!!’
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Worse Amish Joke
What’s this?:
Clip Clop Clip Clop Clip Clop Clip Clop Clip Clop BANG BANG Clip Clop Clip Clop Clip Clop
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Amish Drive-By
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?!?! You stupid monkey!
by leeharvey418 on Jul 22, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You are both horrible.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 22, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No kudos for swapping
out ‘p*nis’ with jimbraski? In an Amish joke?
Jeesh, first no wombat porn. Now this.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Barely no wombat porn
I’m sure we’re getting close.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 22, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going with "status symbol"...
the rest of the students might have a car, but it is probably a 10 minute bike ride away in lot 83(??). You have a car parked close by – you’re going to want to show it off – also helps with the scoring.
A distant second is – tired from busting @ss in practice.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Cabs
They are cheap, but good luck ever getting one to come pick you up. Thank god for Canyon Pizza Delivery!
educate me on Canyon Pizza Delivery
is it anything like what I use down the shore?
Walk in, order a pizza for delivery to your address, and hitch a ride with the delivery man?
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 20, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The only way to do it!
Give him a nice tip and he is happy.
Yeah that was a Captain Morgan commercial – not likely something you did in college. Kudos though for your b.s.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Jul 20, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t have experience with it, but it’s College Pizza. It wouldn’t shock me.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jul 20, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure if any of the State College pizza places do it
as I never tried while there, but I’ve definitely gotten rides home with pizza delivery guys (and I’ve never seen that Captain Morgan commercial).
Especially beats walking the 30 or so blocks to the house
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 20, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Collegian confirms: at least one driver does it.
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2009/04/27/emerging_from_his_car_at.aspx I’m sure if you offer a big enough tip, they’ll take you up on it. I’m not sure what the legal implications are of admitting that to a newspaper though…
by PSUMBBtrumpet on Jul 20, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
wait wait wait
Gumby’s Pizza had call girls? Man, I musta been ordering off of the wrong menu.
“Two of our ‘call girls’ showed up drunk, so I had to send them home,”
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 22, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely
Yeah I’ve gotten rides home by pizza delivery guys in state college, paid them a bunch of money, then ordered pizza, had ‘em back over for beers. it’s really common.
state college is a crazy wonderful place.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
I. HATE. NEGATIVE. PSU. PRESS.
PERIOD.
"...goon-a-la-goun-ga...gung-ga-la-gun-ga...he said; there will be no money exchanged..."
by BlueWhiteLife on Jul 20, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
SHIT
I hate to see players do stupid things, regardless of whether it hurts the team much, but I’m more pissed about the fact that we were doing so well so far in terms of keeping this shit to a bare minimum. I’m wondering since the majority have kept their noses clean, like psumatt says above, whether Paterno will make an example of him so that the rest of the team thinks twice before stupidity wins over rationality.
I remember after the OTL piece last year
I felt that there’s no way anything else could happen. And then Evans and Koroma happened. But hey, Evans probably wasn’t going to go in the top 15 overall in the draft…
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 20, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No excuses for this kid, and I wish AQ was still around to kick his ass.
There has not been one day when I go to cnnsi.com and don’t see a headline that at least one player or another got in some kind of trouble. This is there today
“Mississippi St. RB Dixon’s fate unclear after DUI” But because it is us, it will probably be BIG news Anyone check the Fulmer Cup standings lately? Activity has been quite consistent.
God, I hate that there may be a shitstorm over this.
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
eh
There’s no sex appeal to this story. A career backup barely blows the legal limit. Who cares? It’s just not as interesting as a posse of players throwing fists and stomping faces. There’s no coverup or even a reason for a coverup. This should blow over pretty quietly.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
I don't know if it was even brought up here
but Tyrell Sales had a DUI (granted it was after this season and he was technically not on the team anymore), and I really hadn’t heard anything about it until the collegian ran an article about the draft and the UFAs, and I was really surprised.
James McDonald is on Twitter
He seems kinda like an ass to me. If I read his tweets right he’s looking at transferring to an all-black college..which I don’t get because I thought he graduated…
Also found on Twitter
Daryll Clark, Jordan Norwood, Jamelle Cornly, David Jackson..uhh…and a bunch of other football and bball players.
I love Jordan's tweets.
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
Grandad was bringing the crawdaddies
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
Rittenberg
The ESPN Big Ten blogging douche already has it in his latest blog post. Is it just me who wonders how this weenie got his job?
I saw that
I like his last line where he suggests this may be a huge blow to the roster. Whatever.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
seriously Rittenberg....you are the worst...
The only roster this effects is my NCAA 2010 Rosters…need to cut Senior that I didn’t have playing anyway…
"I'm not affraid to compete"
~Robert Bolden
Nittany Point of View
I like him
He seems pretty reasonable, and does stuff worth reading most of the time
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
he does, and he has to keep a bunch of raging buckeye and wolverine fans happy and not hurt anyone’s feelings while not giving his alma mater any love despite the fact that they’re completely under-represented on that blog. Mix in the frothing Iowa lunatics who think Iowa is going to win the NC this year, and having to work for an evil empire hell bent on manufacturing hype for ratings, and it’s a blogger’s job from hell. I don’t know how he does it.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Yeah
We give him crap for thinking McDonald will be a big loss this year, but we only blog about one team here. He has to cover all 11 Big Ten teams which is a ton of information. He really does a tremendous job and I’m not sure how he does it.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Rittenberg
Where’d he go to college?
by speedomike on Jul 20, 2009 9:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Northwestern.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
If someone's an ESPN writer
A good guess is Northwestern or Missouri.
Quick! Tell Pitt they are beating us!
seems like a good opportunity to have a look
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
Poor, poor, poor Wazzu
What the hell happened to them? Weren’t they pretty good a few years ago?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 20, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
They went from pretty good
to pretty awesome.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
Damn
I was hoping to skate by with one point. I really hate being in the Top 10 all time.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
Ask yourself...WWPD...What would Pitt Do?
"I'm not affraid to compete"
~Robert Bolden
Nittany Point of View
Lose 3-0 in a bowl game?
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Jul 20, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have their national title aspirations destroyed by Penn State in a 48-14 blowout loss?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 20, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Na, na, na na....
hey hey hey….. good bye.
Meh.
by Tailgate Shogun on Jul 20, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions
Wow
That’s the cheese equivalent of the slow clap. Way to bring it.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
I don't understand........
BAC and how it scientifically relates to being impaired. Anyone understand this ? I would love to hear how they determine someone’s impariment with a number. I should by one of those testers…….I would be interested to see what I would “score” when I feel totally fine but have had 3 or 4 beers in 75 mintues.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
"If you hear Ric Flair is in town......WOOOOO........you KNOW things are takin' place".
Ric Flair
At certain blood alcohol concentrations
Whether you notice it or not, your body is affected by the alcohol. Even if you “feel totally fine” at some level the alcohol is in your system and will slow reaction time, rational thinking, etc. even if it’s on a very small scale, so small that you don’t notice it. I’ve heard people claim that they’re actually better drivers when they’re drunk, which I attribute to a lack of rational thinking. You may not know it, but at a .08 BAC the body will show signs of intoxication, even if they’re too small to notice, but may slow down your brain enough that those few seconds that normally you’d be able to analyze a situation and your car and avoid an accident are lost, and injury may ensue.
When I worked for a Fortune 50 Company
I helped write our Drug and Alcohol policy. We used .04 blood/alcohol as a level that an employee could be sent home and risk some level of discipline! Of course, we had to be very careful that we had “reasonable suspicion”…two witnesses, slurred speech, alcohol on breath, bloodshot eyes, trouble walking, etc. before we could suggest to an employee that he/she be tested. If they refused to be tested…guess what…it counted as a positive test. Guilty until proven innocent!
Guilty until proven innocent huh?
Now that’s back-asswards. Kinda like your name!
by PSUisMyHeart on Jul 20, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like here in Pa.
Refuse a breath test? Guilty as charged.
‘Course, they’ll promptly drag your ass to a hospital for a full-blown blood test, which will indicate any intoxicants you’ve ingested, legally prescribed or not.
If you’ve been drinking, do the blow thing. It’s easier in the long run.
Yeah, yeah – ‘blow thing’ sounds hot. Except for guys doing it.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jul 21, 2009 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions
The hospital will ask you to sign a liability waiver
before they take your test. Refuse to sign it. It will buy you an hour or so to sober up while they figure out what to do.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
Thanks - I figured
having a lawyer around was good for something. Keep up the free advice counselor.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
How does......
your BAC corrolate (sp), if at all, with your tolerance ?
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
"If you hear Ric Flair is in town......WOOOOO........you KNOW things are takin' place".
Ric Flair
Not correlate......
ummm……is there any way to know if somebody’s tolerance can offset the lab science of the BAC ? Could I be DUI but be conditioned to not experience the “slow reaction” you are talking about ?
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
"If you hear Ric Flair is in town......WOOOOO........you KNOW things are takin' place".
Ric Flair
ech2os
it really doesn’t. some people could have a tolerance built up where they aren’t feeling the effects til well over the legal driving limit. however the letter of the law says .08 – doesn’t matter if the person is “drunk” or not.
Meadville, PA born and raised.
by mikeissurreal on Jul 20, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
BAC and how it effects a person does have to do with tolerance
An average person who drinks a few drinks on occasion and has a BAC of .08 will feel and be noticeably intoxicated. An alcoholic with a BAC of .2 (which would land most college kids in an ER) could be alert and coherent with no slurred speech or obvious effect aside from their stench. So tolerance does have an effect on the physical findings of your BAC.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
Sort of feel bad for the guy.
I don’t condone what he did in anyway, nor do I condone drunk driving in anyway, and I absolutely hate negative press for PSU as well, but I feel bad for him a little. He was just barely above the limit. Possibly in the zone where you yourself feel 100% fine and don’t know anything is wrong. In fact in the old days he was under the legal limit. I agree that he has to be punished though, gotta do what you gotta do. And it was pretty stupid of him to risk it. Just kind of feel a little bad for him.
“barely” does not count, as was established in the lengthy O$U “barely lost” discussion. You did or you didn’t, you are or you aren’t. I don’t feel bad for him. Call me a bitch, but never mind disrespecting his teammates who will now have to take shit for this, but he could have hurt someone. Just ask Danta “I felt fine” Stallworth.
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
barely a bitch
had to do it, sorry
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Jul 21, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
totally OK
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
Barely totally OK?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
what Rambler said
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
Barely what Rambler said??
too far??.. I apologize..
"Victory without honor is an unseasoned dish. It might fill you up, but it won't taste good" - Joe Paterno
by MilroyBoozer on Jul 21, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Barely apologize...
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Understandable
For the most part I agree. Actually I totally agree, while feeling barely sorry for him. You know?
by PSUisMyHeart on Jul 21, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
my thoughts
im really a lurker on these boards but this annoys me enough i have to post.
first off: why are you dumb enough to be driving after drinking in STATE COLLEGE. THAT"S ALL THEY DO!!! plus he’s a football player – that i can almost guarantees lives in nittany apartments. that’s walking distance anywhere on or off campus. i MIGHT excuse this if he lived up on VAIRO, but he doesn’t.
second off: why are you dumb enough to blow a breathalyzer?! jesus, if you think it’s even close, wait and get your blood taken and processed – enough time to drop that .01-.015.
it’s just frusterating, i’m a senior at PSU this next semester, my last semester, and i’ve had my fair share of legal trouble – but really drunk driving?! this has been hammered into us over and over again you’ll get caught – maybe not the first time, but you will. I’ve walked home to martin st before I drove drunk.
/end rant
Meadville, PA born and raised.
Isn't there a penalty if you refuse to blow into a breathalizer?
like a year of driving suspension even if you end up being sober.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
Automatic one year license suspension
And I believe that the judge can instruct the jury that they can use your refusal as evidence of guilt.
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by Run Up The Score on Jul 20, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Not in MA. Much more (too) forgiving. Refusals are not admissible.
Hippies.
No wonder I take the T everywhere . . .
by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 21, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
you lose your license anyhow ...
for a DUI
i think its only 90 days. but i rather lose my license for a year than to face all the court fees/fines/record of a DUI
Meadville, PA born and raised.
by mikeissurreal on Jul 21, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Clarification on the PA DUI law from your friendly criminal defense attorney and BSDiva...
I practice criminal defense in Centre County and deal with a lot of DUI cases (in fact, some you might have heard about). Please allow me to clarify a few misinformations here. The DUI that Mr. McDonald was charged with is the lowest DUI one can be charged with in PA. In 2004 the Legislature had to amend the DUI laws to comport with Federal law and keep the Federal tax money for highways coming to PA. Thus, three tiers of BAC level were created, all with increasing degrees of punishment. The first level is .08 to .10, it carries a six month probation period and no driver’s license suspension (first time offense). The second level is .10 to .16 and the third level is .16 and above. Of course, for a first time offense on any of these levels you should be ARD qualified (a diversionary program that leaves you free of a criminal record, you will serve no jail time, have no fine and serve a lesser driver license suspension). It’s really a fancy probation program, but the best part is it leaves you without a criminal conviction in the end.
With that basic explanation of the DUI law, there is the issue of the BAC level. At any DUI stop the officer will request that the driver perform standard field sobriety tests. I’m convinced that a stone-cold sober person could not pass them, so they are usually failed. Plus, they are a very subjective test that the officer must determine pass or fail. An officer can request that the driver take a portable breath test (PBT-the thingy that you blow into). Understand that is only a gauge of the possible BAC, not reliable in any way and not admissible in court. There is no requirement that one submit to the PBT. In order to be able to charge someone with a BAC violation of the DUI law (I’ve simplified it here because there are other ways the DUI law can be violated without having a BAC), the officer has to take someone to have their blood drawn. The driver must consent to having their blood drawn, it is not a waiver of liability for the hospital. If they refuse to consent to having their blood drawn, the refusal gets filed with PADOT and what might be no driver license suspension (as we have in this case), the driver would automatically get one year suspension for the refusal only (there would be an additional suspension for the actual DUI). In PA, by virtue of having the honor of PA bestowing upon you a driver’s license, you agree that if requested, you will submit to chemical testing of your blood or urine (a la a DUI stop).
As for the discussion of the Amish DUI, there is no specific prohibition against horse and buggies, but the DUI law is all-encompasing. The statute states “An individual may not drive, operate or be in actual physical control of the movement of a vehicle after imbibing a sufficient amount of alcohol…”. PA Courts have held that bicycles, ATVs, riding lawn mowers and buggies fit under that definition of vehicle. However, just a few years ago the PA Supreme Court did shoot down the argument that a drunk guy riding on a horse could be charged and convicted of a DUI.
Finally, some of the local police have reputations for sitting outside of bars and restaurants and then following people they suspect were imbibing. Yes, it’s illegal and wrong; no there’s not much we can do about it. The best way to travel in State College is by foot or by taxi if you’ve had anything to drink.
I apologize for the lengthy explanation, but figured it would be beneficial.
Stacey?
Is that you?
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?!?! You stupid monkey!
by leeharvey418 on Jul 24, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You know......
how many times I walked from The Sportsgarden (no longer there), or Micky’s, or Two’s Company, or Otters to the corner of Baldwin and Prospect ? Also spent a lot of time at the Rockin Horse and The Junction since they were closer to Baldwin and Prospect where I lived. God I miss that freedom :)
My parents being too broke and too strict to buy me a car in college probably saved me from getting a DUI.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
"If you hear Ric Flair is in town......WOOOOO........you KNOW things are takin' place".
Ric Flair
not to change the subject
but where’s your avatar? Much like people read bconway as “baconway”, I read your name as echo2, and it makes me think of ecco the dolphin video game. So with that in mind, I propose this as your new avatar:
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Jul 21, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
P.S. Buggy
I propose this as your new avatar: http://hunternuttall.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/amish-paradise.jpg
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe this?
See, I’m of the belief that we should all have avatars to fit your name. (Like say, RUTS changing his avatar to a picture of Jimmy Johnson or Ronald Reagan after the ’84 election (Buuuurn, Mondale!!!).)
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I gave up on it.......
its a picture of me and MC Hammer in line getting a beer at the Super Bowl, but everytime I try to upload it, I get an error message. I try to resize it, rename the file, reformat the file, etc etc and can’t get it to load up.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
"If you hear Ric Flair is in town......WOOOOO........you KNOW things are takin' place".
Ric Flair
I saved a drunk woman from drowning on Thursday
At Chincoteague, a family beach, of all places. A large, nasty, aged & liquored hag of a woman, trashed off her face at midday with families & children all around. Can’t even guess what her BAC was. She wiped out trying to sit in her beach chair, got her entire face sandied up, then got the great idea to head for the surf to rinse off. Moving like a snail, she managed to not fall over while bending down to grab surfwater to splash upon herself. It was only when she tried to sit down that she tumbled over again and nearly drowned in six inches of water as the waves started taking her away. Me and another dude each took an arm and got her stood up, when the worst of it happened: her top came down. This is the only time she tried to talk, but hearing her was way funnier than the overall experience: ‘man, my titties are all hangin out.’
We covered her up and got her to safety, and I, naturally, overexaggerated my own hero status the rest of the trip. Afterward I chatted with the other rescuer dude who noted ‘we got more than we bargained for in that one.’ And his wife added: ‘yeah, it couldn’t have been a young one, could it?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Jul 21, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
+1, I guess
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 21, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Cmon, dude
I’m a Hero, right?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
it's gotta be
a notch above a Bad Amish
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
had it been a smoking hot MILF
I’d call you a hero, even if she was drunk off her ass. But I have trouble dubbing you “hero” when the woman you save is described as a “large, nasty, aged & liquored hag of a woman”. Especially since if she was the beached whale of a woman I now see in my mind from your description, she probably would have floated like a buoy anyway with all that blubber.
I just realized this comment is going to bring loads of traffic for Rambler’s You Found Us!, but I’m posting regardless.
.
+ 1 for saving a life
-1 for the ugly details you shared.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
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