Lessons In Accidental Hilarity
by Run Up The Score on Jul 23, 2009 9:41 AM EDT
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PrintIf you decided to make a Penn State highlight film for YouTube purposes, how high would "2001 Offensive Highlights" be on your list? God chose you, Vinny McKee.
2001 Penn State Offense Highlights (via vinnymckee)
Actually, the offense wasn't necessarily the problem in 2000 or 2001. If you care to remember -- and who does, really? -- it was the defense that gave up 20+ points in all but two games that year.
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cool? or the coolest?
I love Zack Mills. I remember sitting in the student section in 2004 and being so pissed whenever people booed him. I mean, I wanted #14 in there as much as the next person (yikes), but I just felt so bad for Zack. Probably one of my favorite Penn Staters ever.
Was also
pretty fleet of foot.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Crap Mills was a colossal piece of shit that set Penn State’s program back decades. I have little else to say on this matter.
Harsh dude
And mostly incorrect.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
I mean obviously he didn't win as many games as he would have liked
but he certainly didn’t set the program back decades.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
He never gave up.
Which is pretty awesome.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
In the 1980s and 90s Penn State was one of the great powers in college football acknowledged by the media, pollsters and fans alike. Even now, despite one of the best records in college football over the last 4 years, Penn State still has yet to reachieve this status around the college football world.
So yes – decades.
by catesinator on Jul 24, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
ZACK MILLS IS WORSE THAN HITLER.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 24, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh give me a break
Maybe it was the fact that the coaches got lazy recruiting, or that he didn’t have any WRs around him, or that the OL let him get pounded or that the defense wasn’t quite as good for some of his career. Zack Mills did not set the program back himself.
Here comes the clue train next stop you.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
by psuphiman80 on Jul 24, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I remember his freshman year, people were saying the kid was gonna win a heisman trophy. That talent was greatly diminshed, not by his own fault.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
It's just outrageous to claim that Zack Mills sent the program back decades.
There are just too many moving parts to a CFB team much less the entire CFB world to just blame one kid.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
by psuphiman80 on Jul 24, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I love this argument.
Zach Mills was surrounded by 3 wide receivers, 4 running backs and 4 tight ends that went on to play in the NFL in his 4 seasons at PSU. The defense was bad for one season he played, otherwise it ranged from good to dominant.
Yet he had no help around him.
Try again.
Name me one playmaking receiver from the 2003 or 2004 teams.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 24, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Michael Robinson lacked ability to make plays?
Matt Kranchick and Sean McHugh went onto play in the NFL.
Tony Hunt was a pretty decent running back – no?
Tony was a freshman
MRob had little experience at WR (and isn’t playing in the NFL – who besides him was decent, by the way?) and the o-line sucked.
Mills did not set Penn State back decades. That’s just total bullshit.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 24, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't playing in the nfl as a receiver
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 24, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still not sure if you understand the word "decades"
a decade is 10 years, decadeS means 20+ years.
Zack Mills made his first start in 2001. This is the 2009 season. That is 8 years, not even ONE decade, let alone multiple. Also, we have been contending for National Championships for the past 4 years now, especially in 2005 and 2008. We are about to have a top 5 recuiting class, perhaps the best indication of national persception, since it means A) kids want to come play for you, and B) the media thinks these good kids want to go play for you.
We are also pretty universally expected to be competing for at least the Big 10 title htis year, and most rankings have us in the top 10. How is that being not acknowledged?
You, sir, are either on crack, or are just a debbie downer.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 24, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes – decadeS
Penn State is still not viewed in the same eyes as they were viewed in the 80s and 90s. Penn State was never in contention for a national title in 2005 because they never would have overtaken Texas or USC even if they had beaten Michigan. A decent argument could be made that they weren’t in contention for a national title last season either as a one loss SEC or Big 12 team could have overtaken them in the polls. Even last season pundits were still citing Paterno’s crappy road record in the Big 10 this decade which was drug down by the Mills years. And while many people have us ranked in the top 10, I see just as many people calling us the most overrated team in those rankings or team most likely to dissapoint.
As far as recruting classes go – those rankings mean nothing. Even during the Mills years PSU was getting good recruiting classes in the sources I read.
Whose fault is it that the 1999 defense collapsed? Zack Mills
Whose fault is it that the 2000 team sucked? Zack Mills
Whose fault is it that the 2001 team had to be rescued by Zack Mills? Zack Mills
Whose fault is it that the economy sucks? Zack Mills
As far as recruting classes go – those rankings mean nothing. Even during the Mills years PSU was getting good recruiting classes in the sources I read.
Your “sources” are full of bullshit. JoePa has admitted that he got lazy in recruiting.
Admit it: Zack hit on your girlfriend.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 24, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That was some bit of rescuing Mills did in 2001. What bowl game did we win that year?
Rivals.com is bullshit?
2002 – #21
2003 – #93 – But 4 four star recruits and 6 three stars
2004 – #14
2009 – #24
Again, the rankings mean nothing. Joe got lazy? Joe still doesn’t go on recruiting trips. Bradley, Johnson and co. do the recruiting now as they did then.
Penn State was 0-4 in 2001 before Mills started playing, correct?
And what great receivers Mills had! Tony Johnson! Ernie Terrell! Gerald Smith!
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 24, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And before 2005, Joe didn’t like starting freshmen. You neglect to mention that.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 24, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He admitted he got lazy dude.
What more do you want. Like recruiting rankings are right all the time anyway.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
I’m thinking it’s maybe an embittered Jason Ganter.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously?
Mills was 5-2 in 2001. He was NOT responsible for losses to Miami (National Champs), Wisconsin, Iowa, or Michigan.
And I was not saying that recruiting rankings are accurate. In fact my comment was pretty much the opposite, and that they’re heavily biased towards national PERCEPTION of the program.
And yes, Rivals.com is bullshit.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 24, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Although in a strange twist of fate
with the exception of Adrian Coxson, who rivals apparently thinks blows, they’re actually giving our recruits decent respect this year. They must think we know what we’re doing or something.
I hate to break the news to you
but Joe not going to meet recruits is not really hurting us all that much. I believe he’s said before, and if he didn’t, I believe this wholeheartedly, that he doesn’t want his “celebrity” status to sway a recruit. It’s not like the old days where he was building programs as a relatively new coach and HAD to visit. Now, he sends his more than capable assistants to do the recruiting so that the recruits get to develop a relationship with their position coaches, and also so that they’ll commit to our program because they love and believe in PSU, not just because they’ll be coached by a living legend.
Who contols the British Crown
Who keeps the metric system down?
Zach Mills … DA Da Da DA Daaaa … Zach Mills
Who holds back the electric car, who makes Steve Guttenberg A STAR!!!!
Zach Mills … DA Da Da DA Daaaa … Zach Mills
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Jul 27, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Who rigs every oscar night?
Zach Mills
"The only cohesive passing game in the whole damn conference was in Happy Valley." -Rivalry Esq.
I have little else to say on this matter.
I think we’ll all just count our blessings.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 23, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
Is there like an incident at a Fraternity house that we are all unaware of? Because I don’t see how his football career merits that. I’ll spot you a little overrated, but “Crap Mills”. That seems harsh.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
I'm thinking Zack hit on his girlfriend or something
I see no other reason to bash on a guy like Mills. The quarterback who put up with bad shoulders, shitty receivers, and no running game, but never quit.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 23, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Shitty receivers and no running game – you mean like the 2002 team that had a 2000 yard rusher, a 1st round pick at receiver and loads of talent on the defensive side of the ball only to underachieve thanks to wonderful performances like:
by catesinator on Jul 24, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
The whole offense sucked that day. What’s your freaking point? Saying Zack Mills singlehandedly set us back decades is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen written on this blog.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 24, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
The whole offense sucked? The Lions rushed for 170 yards at a 4.7 ypc clip. Michael Robinson entered the game at QB in the 4th quarter and immediately led the team on a scoring drive throwing the ball well against the vaunted wind that supposedly killed all of Mills’s passes.
Face facts boys and girls – Mills was the reason Penn State lost that game.
Whose fault is it that the defense couldn’t stop Auburn from scoring the go ahead touchdown? Zack Mills
Whose fault is it that McHugh fumbled on 4th down? Zack Mills.
Whose fault is it that the defense shat the bed in the first half against Iowa? Zack Mills.
Whose fault is it that the refs were blind in Michigan? Zack Mills.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 24, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Who robs kingfisg of their sight?
Who rigs every oscar night?
Zach Mills … Zaaach MILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLS!!
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
Also, also
Because we lost one game against Auburn (Mill’s fault), that one game set us back decades. Makes sense.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 24, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
FACT CHECK
Zack Mills rushed for 56 yards (second best on the team) at a 6.2 ypc clip (second best on the team). Michael Robinson threw the ball ONCE for positive yardage on a drive that was mostly on the ground, because of the wind. Zack Mills entered the game at QB in the 1st quarter and immediately led the team on a scoring drive throwing the ball exactly as many times as Robinson’s first drive – one.
Face facts boys and girls – Michael Robinson’s fumble was somebody else’s fault.
In the Auburn game?
Mills had one run.
Then he took Atlantis off the maps.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
That 2000 yard rusher didn't break 100 yds in that game
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
by psuphiman80 on Jul 24, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Tough to break 100 yards when the defense stacks the line of scrimmage with 9 guys because there is absolutely no fear of a passing attack. I was at this game. Zach Mills either sucks or was hung over from new years celebration the night before. Take your pick.
And there it is!
Zach Mills either sucks or was hung over from new years celebration the night before.
He got drunk and hit on your girlfriend/sister/best friend! I knew it!
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 24, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The receivers weren't good
you are seriously the first guy to ever claim that Mills had talent around him.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
Well..
Mills bust into the apartment of this frat guy I used to work with and passed out on the floor. Didn’t pee there, didn’t destroy property, just passed out from being super drunk.
That’s all I got.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
Right then, good enough for me
Zack Mills is a piece of shit.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 23, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That's awesome
I like him even more now.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
ZM
Mills had a bunch of kinesiology classes with some firends of mine, and they always said he was a pretty nice, down to earth kid. Not the type to go all punchy mcpuncherson on his QB coach or anything, like other Maryland-bred QBs tend to do.
man, I know
if only the team was able to finish in the top 5 and have National Title hopes within a decade after Mills entered the program. Also, if only we could have gone back to the Rose Bowl within decades of the loss @ MSU in 2007.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 23, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
-1 again to you.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jul 23, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
A buddy of mine
took a class with him at PSU. He said that Mills was dumb as a brick and copied off of him constantly, but my buddy was glad to let Mills copy because ZM was a genuinely nice guy and where he went, college girls followed.
"The only cohesive passing game in the whole damn conference was in Happy Valley." -Rivalry Esq.
uh oh
Does this mean Paterno now has to vacate all 7 of our wins in 2003-2004, plus our 9 wins in 2002, and our 5 wins from 2001?
What year did this cheating scandal occur? This could set Paterno behind Bowden.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 24, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
BSmith717
is a Florida State operative with no actual knowledge of Penn State, it’s players, or anythign else.
Mr. Mills was a tremendous student, who did all of his own work. I know several people, many of them nuns, who are willing to attest to this fact. I’m sure that there are no shortage of members of BSD that are willing to attest to having been personally tutored in all academic areas by Mr. Mills, and found to him be a brilliant scholar athlete.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
by jesse. on Jul 24, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thank god we've got a ton of laywers on this board ;-)
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 24, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the first thing I thought, too.
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by Run Up The Score on Jul 23, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you
and I can’t believe that wasn’t the first thing I thought
by InScoresOfOtherGames on Jul 23, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
People in 2001
must have thought they we ok based on the number of sheeple that bought their albums.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Stupid Internet...
Can’t find video of Will Ferrell and Ana Gasteyer singing “Higher” as middle school music teachers. Even hulu doesn’t have it. Anyone got a link? I just want to hear Ana sing “doo-doo-doo-doodle-ooooo” to the guitar lick.
Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater
by NittanyTide on Jul 23, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Searched for video...
but could only find the transcript. I think this is the skit you reference.
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/00/00iculps.phtml
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I remember a different one
where they actually sing the Creed lyrics. I must be wrong though – if it’s not on the Internet, it didn’t happen and doesn’t exist.
Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater
NBC has really cracked down on SNL clips anywhere
The only place you can really find them on the internet anymore is the NBC site, but good luck trying to find it.
or on hulu.com
We are not normal...WE are Legends...We are PENN STATE!
by hawaiipennstatefan on Jul 23, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The year we should hide when discussing Linebacker U
Ron Graham, Shamar Finney, and Deryck “Dersick” Toles weren’t exactly memorable.
I don’t know about the offense being great. We had the nation’s worst rushing offense (literally) going into the Northwestern game, and Matt Senneca led PSU to 31 points in their first 4 games. Zack Mills righted the ship. Honestly, if I could have one gme back, it wouldn’t be ’05 Michigan, ’08 Iowa, or ’09 USC, it would be ’01 Virginia. That team turned itself around after falling into a big hole. A bowl game invite would have meant the world.
Virginia
Couldn’t agree more. After suffering through 2000 and the start of the 2001 season, I remember thinking prior to the Virginia game that a bowl game is an amazing outcome for us. I never thought we’d lose that game.
by Nittany Lawyer on Jul 23, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh
I was there, it was a horrible call. Also, horrible — constant Quiet Riot on the p.a. Terrible, anti-college football atmosphere made even more out of place by students wearing ties.
Guido D’Elia must have loved it.
Blogging about D.C. Baseball since April '04. Penn State alum. Also partial to the Washington Capitals, New York Yankees and Yale football.
My memory exactly...
The only thing I regret more is my taunting the Cavalier fans in the first half.
I also remember wanting to brutalize the giant inflatable UVA mascot.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I don't know
Looks like this guy might be able to take you.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Maybe
Telling us more about your taunting the Cavalier fans and of your subsequent regret might help you through this?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Why are you trying to haunt my dreams, Jtot?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 24, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
If that Virginia game woud have turned out differently I
really would have fond memories of that year.
You should have included an explanation of Toles' rare enzyme disorder
They explained it on TV every week, but somehow, I have know idea what it was
Let me just point out that
My buddy played QB on that team (way down the list) and he used to tell me that the coaches TOLD the QBs to audible away from Toles if he was in because the dude was such a beast. If it wasn’t for the disorder, that dude would have been amazing.
As for our old friend Deryck Toles
He’s made good. Really good.
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by Run Up The Score on Jul 23, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
lol@ his Fitness For Kids program
chubbyandsluggish.com
as for Toles…if only Penn State could stop putting out bums like this and start recruiting quality players like Maurice Clarett
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 23, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Northwestern
Why do our games at jNW always have to be so interesting? That’s the road game I’m most worried about this year. I’m also not used to seeing highlight videos where the first two highlights are from games in which we were trailing bigtime.
And from about the 5:00 mark… it seems like forever ago when Washington State was ranked, doesn’t it?
Let's Go State!
Some excellent podcaster remarked...
…that PSU is 4-2 against Northwestern in Evanston, and 3 of our wins have been by less than 7 points.
Not saying I'm not worried about Northwestern, but
One of those Evanston losses was when we were 3-9, and the other was when they were 10-2 and big ten conference champs. So even though they’ve played us close when we were good (2005) it’s not like we’ve lost games that we shouldn’t have to them there. I’m still worried since I think they could be decent this year though.
by PSUisMyHeart on Jul 23, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That Zack Mills run against tOSU is a CLASSIC
that kid was awesome. It was too bad that our wide receivers couldn’t get open half the time.
by Dinsdale on Jul 23, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And when they did get open, they dropped the easy catch.
That’s the reason why I’ll forever be greatful to Norwood, Butler, & Williams: they caught the passes they were SUPPOSED to catch.
When can I go home?
by mushdamma on Jul 23, 2009 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Eddie Drummond couldn’t catch a case of the cold. Remember during the Ohio State game when a pass got tipped off his hands, intercepted, and taken in for a touchdown?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 23, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what it feels like to be released by the Detroit Lions?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 23, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He then got picked up by the Chiefs
Per Jason Whitlock’s post-season grading of every Chiefs player in 2007:
It was a very difficult job this year. A record number of players received D’s and F’s. Eddie Drummond was given a G, a new category that will forever be known as the Eddie Drummond Memorial Trophy.
In fairness to Eddie
He was a great kick returner. And that pass against Ohio State went through his hands off of his facemask and flew like 8 feet in the air as I remember. shakes head in disgust
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Jul 23, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Pro Bowl
I’m pretty sure he even made the pro bowl as a kick returner one year.
Correct. He did.
2005 in fact.
Pretty impressive NFL career as a return man, in fact.
http://www.detroitlions.com/bio.cfm?bio_id=27&season=8
by Tailgate Shogun on Jul 23, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree with several of these comments:
1. Zack Mills: he was awesome. Until we turned him into a human pinata on every other play. Had to love that kid’s heart.
2. Virginia: don’t forget that the terrorists cost us that game. Was supposed to be Thursday, 9/13/2001. But we hadn’t clarified the threats and secured our sports venues yet (not that anyone was in a mental state to play sports). Got rescheduled to the end of the season.
But I disagree on Northwestern. They’ve attained “so under-rated that they’re now over-rated” status. When one or two folks say that game is a concern (and have some interesting evidence to support their claim), it makes me worry. But now worrying about Northwestern and Illinois has become thematic. So I’m going to start worrying about Indiana. Nothing like a good late-season letdown game (like USC playing Stanford or Fresno State) to bit you in the tail.
Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater
Indiana
Interesting prospect, worrying about the Hoosiers. I’m usually a sucker for some counterculture, so I’ll join ya. Give it a little JoePa speak, get the Ghost Whisperer doucheabags to explore the lingering power of Coach Hep, and we’ll work ourselves into a real fittheshan frenzy.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
If we lose to Indiana I’m holding you responsible.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 23, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It Wasn't Me
NittanyTide started it.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Careful
I’m not letting too many on this bandwagon, or I’ll have to find another game to worry about. Glad to see I convinced you, but try not to convince too many others!
Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater
Ben Chappelle is probably going to throw for 300 yards. It’s going to be horrible.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 23, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, so if we get enough people to worry about every single game being a letdown game
then by this logic all the games will no longer be a game to be concerned about. I like this plan.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 23, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Too late.
Now I’m worried too… way to go. That game is sandwiched in between tO$U in Happy Valley (which is like christmas, only better) and Michigan State (who is never an easy win for us) in East Lansing. I’m officially declaring Threat Level Midnight!!
THREAT LEVEL MIDNIGHT PEOPLE!!!
"The only cohesive passing game in the whole damn conference was in Happy Valley." -Rivalry Esq.
If you see this car outside the stadium
Run! It’s gonna be a bad day.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
No way.
We have a tradition to uphold. They don’t want to be the first PSU squad to lose to Indiana.
Precisely
Why we should be worried. Aha!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
I mistakenly forgot
that the sight of Chris McKelvy makes me vomit.
by InScoresOfOtherGames on Jul 23, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
i had to pause it
and turn off the volume when i heard creed playing. so should have all of you.
the person who put that crap to psu football should lose viewing privilages for 4 games, minimum.
CHOO CHOO MCCOOOOOOOOO!
I looked at Ohrnberger in the fourth quarter and he looked back at me. And we said, 'We're not losing this game"
Love that Aussie Rules action.
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by Run Up The Score on Jul 23, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Losing Sandusky
Hurt us really really bad those years, and it still occasionally hurts us really really bad (SOMEONE had to bring up MSU 2007 in another thread).
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Sandusky invented bend but don't break.
Incedentally he left after a very disappointng year in which a talented defense badly underachieved, and then left the cabnet bare for the next guy.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
I didn't appreciate Sandusky until he was gone
All those years of the bend don’t break almost giving me a heart attack every week.
by Brett Brown on Jul 23, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Sandusky didn't invent it
it’s called prevent – and remember, Joe is our star dback – and credited with inventing the “hero” position.
Sandusky announced his retirement before the 99 season -
Jerry’s defenses were, obviously, talented and very successful, but as noted, could inspire fear in the hearts of many a fan. the Sandusky way, was to “watch. learn and react” – it would usually take the defense one series to adjust – and then attack.
I feel like we used to ummm mix coverages too
wonder how a Sandusky-coached D would have reacted in the Rose Bowl. I don’t think we would have burned by the same kind of play twice, or 843758904 times.
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Jul 23, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I seem to remember a Sandusky defense back in '97
where every player on Michigan State’s team ran fro 200 yards. My point being, I’m more in the Bradley camp, although I feel that Bradley probably has more freedom to do what he wants (basing this assumption onolder and less delegating Joe)
He did announce his retirement before the 1999 season, then had a very talented defense badly underachieve. He also left the cabnet bare for Tom Bradley, which in my mind is a sign of mailing it in for several seasons before retireing. Frankly, his defenses were generally a weak link throughout most of the 1990’s.
He was a good coach, who has done some very important and great charity work. But Tom Bradley is a better defensive co-ordinator.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
really?
i’m not saying that sandusky was flawless – far from it – I’m also not saying that bradley hasn’t evolved into being a decent defensive coach (clearly what puts him over the top is his recruiting skills) -
but, do you remember watching bradley on the sideline in 00? it was painfully clear that neither he, nor the players, really knew what they were doing – or were in sync with each other or what was going on in the game – his defenses are still remarkably simple (do you follow Aaron?)
People like to remember Jerry as a “lost asset” or a “missed opportunity” – i, personally, do not – I don’t think that he (or fran, ftm) was HC material. He coached a lot of talented kids and his defenses cemented PSU’s (then) public persona – and he did have one of his MNC rings made into a killer bracelet for his wife – it’s awesome.
His 99 departure coincided with his youngest boy’s graduation
I don't think it's fair to compare
A guy in his first season as DC as guy who was in his 30th[?]. Lost in 2000? I don’t know, maybe, but by 2003 we were wasting defenses that you could have won a national title with. We spent most of the 1990’s, 1999 especially, wasting offenses we could have won National Title’s with.
As for his youngest’s graduation, okay. Was he just sticking around for that? I could buy that actually.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
I don't think i am comparing
i think i’m presenting the completely illogical and demanding point of view of any self respecting (CF) PSU fan of never being satisfied and yet unwilling to “do” anything to change it.
I do believe (in the grand tradition of Penn State football) that some talent was “wasted” in the mid aughts – but as a squad I do not think that our defenses were “MNC” ready nor was the coaching.
That 2000 team...
…just got mauled up front. And the DT’s were future NFL players (Kennedy and Adams) but were both sophomores.
http://www.nittanyanthology.com/-2000s.html
2000 depth chart
B. Jones – Kennedy – Adams – Kurpeikis
Gatten – Finney – Toles/Sturdifen
B. Scott – Jue – Pettigrew – Boyd
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Order your copy of "We Are Penn State", like, now. One team, 128 pages.
by Run Up The Score on Jul 23, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN Ticker
The old school ticker and scoreboard is quite funny.
Jeez
What’s next, offensive highlights from the 2003/2004 seasons?
As for that UVA game, if we don’t fumble that ball away at their 1-yard line (which got taken back for a UVA TD, if I recall correctly), we’re likely up 21-6 early in the 2nd half which would’ve been enough to hang on for the win, thus securing an amazing turnaround to what began as a tumultuous season (i.e. going from 0-4 to 6-5 and bowl eligible).
http://www.happyhourvalley.com/
We were getting ready to put that game away
No doubt. That fumble was a killer.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
Also the Illinois game.
Almost beat the Big Ten champs that year in Champaign-Urbana. I attended that game. I’ll never forget the kickoff return by Larry Johnson to put us up 28-27 with less than 4 minutes to play. PSU had them at 3rd & 10 on our 20 when Kittner connected with Brandon Lloyd for a 30 yard pass and the defense just collapsed.
Oddly enough, we beat the Big Ten champions the year before.
Mills was a F'n WARRIOR.
That guy has NO help and got killed.
Still think his run against tOSU was up there w/ the Chaffe catch to beat the U.
Look at some of the guys who were on the field with Mills, they wouldn’t sniff the field pre 2000 or today with very few exceptions.
BTW – QB4…was that Matt Senneca?
yup.
4 = Senneca. I was a senior that year. The only game I didn’t fo to was the OSU game because wanted to go run some stupid marathon. Two days later I couldn’t walk because of my knees and I’d missed #300.
by NittanySeaLion on Jul 23, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
In fairness to you,
none of us saw #300 coming that day.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jul 23, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Ack!
Yes, of course. Sheesh.
Thanks, BOSS!
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jul 23, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Outside of the OSU game
I remember NOTHING about that season. Who we beat, who we lost to, who played.
Matt Senneca was the QB? News to me. Seriously, I buried the dark years far, far in the back corner of my mind.
by Tailgate Shogun on Jul 23, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions
lol yep me too
I went to every home game that year and have until now successfully forgotten everything except the OSU game. Oh, and Jeremy Shockey channeling Mark Bavaro and dragging our entire defense down the field on his back
Do I know what rhetorical means?
Back decades from 2002 would be ...?
1982? Please Zack Mills did not set us back that far, not even 16 years. :o)
LOL
I hadn’t thought of it that way.
Perhaps the “set the program back decades” was actually a compliment, as the very next year after he left we did finish 3rd in the country.
And back 1 decade from 2004 (his final year) woulda been 1994.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 27, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
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