What Desperation Smells Like
by KevinHD on Jul 28, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
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"He could care less whether those games are forfeited," quarterback Christian Ponder said. "So we could care less. We know it might hurt to lose the Joe Paterno thing but we already know Coach Bowden is one of the greatest coaches in college football."
It's obvious to anyone who has watched that for years Florida State (like Penn State) has been run by the staff. The difference is FSU has a plan. Fisher already is doing head-coaching "stuff" like going out in the summer and speaking to boosters.
Meanwhile, Bobby is hatching one final trick play. This one involves digging up what he says are 22 victories earned while he was coach at South Georgia Junior College from 1956-58. Asterisk that, NCAA.
And it gets even more ridiculous:
- Wiki claims Bowden was hired as the AD, football, basketball and baseball coach at the JC.
- This thing is so obscure that wiki doesn't even list his football record there.
- I can only assume based on how absurd this story is Bowden is actually trying to cash in wins from all three sports.
But, like, at what level does pride take over? The JC in question doesn't even have a football team anymore, and I can't find the wins on the only data base I know that tracks these things, and a google search can't get any closer than 1959.
I share your shock but not your outrage. I feel like I'm falling for a practical joke. And maybe I am, it is a Dodd story after all.
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I think Paterno should count his Tic-Tac-Toe and marbles wins from the 1930's.
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Order your copy of "We Are Penn State", like, now. One team, 128 pages.
by Run Up The Score on Jul 28, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I think he should count his victory over the Krauts at the Second Battle of the Marne.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 28, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard joe managed a Itallian cock fighting ring in brooklyn in the late 1800’s that he could claim wins for. Of course back then cock fighting was more of a jewish man’s game, but Joe competed just the same.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Jul 28, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
+1
for the green
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
Joe could add on any assistant wins at PSU and QB wins at Brown
might as well add in all the wins he has had in scrimmages, while we’re at it.
ridiculous
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 28, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
scrmmages are a great idea
He has won every blue white game since he started.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
ZERO losses?
Zug, this guy get’s even more legendary as the years go by.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 28, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
oh no, he's lost every one as well
but if you notice, they don’t care about the number of losses you have, just the number of wins
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 29, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
My go-to source for archival information
makes no mention of Bowden’s record prior to his stint at Samford.
If this isn’t a hoax, it’s the sleaziest thing I’ve ever heard.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
Nope, not a shred
I think that should be pretty obvious by now.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Jul 28, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice avatar
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 28, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you
your workingman’s photoshops have inspired me…
by Screen Name 20 on Jul 28, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
This can't possibly be anything other than a joke
I refuse to believe that he is that dumb. It can’t possibly be true.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
I was confused
but I figured if I’m wrong it’s just the other side of a win-win.
I mean Dodd doesn’t really tell it like a joke, and the story is full of actual quotes, so he really did get some type of interview.
And if he did make it up, thought it was obvious but went over everyone’s head, well isn’t that kind of a shot at Bowden, that either he is capable of doing it or we all believed it anyway?
Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.
If it's a joke
It’s poorly delivered.
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by Run Up The Score on Jul 28, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh indeed
Dodd doesn’t convey it that way and Bobby’s action these past few months would suggest that this could happen.
Still if this happened everyone would know who the better coach truly was.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
Seriously
I have read exactly zero Dennis Dodd columns in my lifetime.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 28, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrible writer
His shite just feels fluffy. It’s super-transparent: the target audience feels like it should be junior high. It’s just poke-em with a stick drivel. No subjects, no predicates, too many spaces, not real sentences. All under the pathetic guise of being provocative. It’s not even shit—it’s shart, it all feels like it’s gonna be a stinky fart, except with it, you absolutely know you’re also getting pooh, and not just that fart.
Plus, he posts his stupid mug beside his oral posts and he’s not one eighth the comedian David Cross is.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Jul 28, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I honestly thought
that you just posted 2 pictures of David Cross side by side, LOL.
"The only cohesive passing game in the whole damn conference was in Happy Valley." -Rivalry Esq.
I remember Cross in a
TV show where he played one of the main character’s brother. He was mentally challenged until it was revealed at the end that it was a big act to keep the mother taking care of him.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Yup
And he kept getting Elliot, who was trying to out him, in trouble with Maya…
Chicken pot.....
chicken pot, chicken pot pieeeeeee……….Got that was funny.
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
"If you hear Ric Flair is in town......WOOOOO........you KNOW things are takin' place".
Ric Flair
If Florida State unexpectedly sucks for the next two years
could Fisher be fired as successionist? I just love the concept. It is very George Costanza to be fired from a job you do not actually have yet. At the same time, I am assuming that would be the logical recourse, force Bowden to retire and can Fisher.
they can fire/not hire Fisher all they want
but they’ll still owe him $5 million if he’s not head coach by Jan 9, 2011.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 28, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
What is 5 million in the face of angry alumni
To make up the $ difference, every student athlete will be forced to take nothing but online music classes.
$5 million is a LOT to just throw away
especially for no benefit. Who would be head coach then, instead? Certainly no one (immediately) better than Fisher. Besides (and I don’t know the specifics of the contract), I could see them hiring on Fisher as head coach for Jan 9, 2011, and then if they really didn’t want him, then firing him as soon as they are contractually allowed.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 28, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
My comment was partially sarcastic and
partially a commentary on the factors that currently contribute to most hirings and firings. The school certainly will not want to throw away 5 million dollars, which is a ton of money.
The boosters did
raise, what, almost $700,000 to rid themselves of Jeff Bowden. Just need to dig an order of magnitude deeper in this case.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
well, as ponder said,
they could care less – but, clearly, they choose not to.
by PSUgirl on Jul 28, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1 for picking that nit
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Jul 28, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's as bad as all this
I think his point is that he counts all his wins, and that it’s arbitrary that some count, some don’t, and some count more than others. To an extent, I agree. He coached to win, his players played to win, and a win is a win. What’s the difference between 1A and JC, when all your saying is “most wins”. Neither Paterno or Bowden have the most wins, so that’s a bullshit distinction anyway.
I think the relevant statistic should be most Div 1A wins, or at least, most wins coaching D1A program.
This race, such as it is, will determine the most coaching wins by a coach who finished his career at a D1A program, said wins to include lower division and junior varsity games, but not to include junior college games.
What the hell is that? It’s nothing, it’s a meaningless distinction.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
I agree.
The whole race has become so cloded that it really has lost any signiffcance. I honestly believe Paterbno when he says he doesn’t care about the race.
Or, Maybe Bubby’s tastebuds are dead. “Victory without honor is like an unseasoned dish. It’ll fill you up but it won’t taste good.” Never has that quote rung truer.
Victory without honor
+ 10 to you…Truer words not spoken on this subject.
by desire'nlion on Jul 28, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll take time as a Division IA assistant over time as the head coach of a junior college and an FCS team.
If you’re going to give Bowden credit for his wins with those teams, Joe should get credit for his 104 wins as an assistant under Rip Engle.
ah, I see you come from the Charlie Weis school of counting wins
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 28, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to go with
Tim Brewster, but that’s just because BHGP has trained me as such.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
ah yes
Brewster probably is more of a parallel, but Weis’ entry in NDs program is pretty similar, with his wins as assisstant coaches, and no mention of any losing seasons :-p
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
47th year as a head coach
In the Dodd article it states that Bowden is beginning his 47th year as head coach. By my count, that puts him back to 1963, not the late 50’s. May not mean anything more than Dodd is too lazy to reconcile this apparent discrepency, but who knows?
Only one more season to enjoy the Wannstache ...
WTF
“You ever heard of me and Jim splitting it?” Bowden asked, suggesting with his usual charm that the end indeed is not near. “Me and him could make $2.5 million off this deal.”
Um….riiiiight, since Jimbo is guaranteed $5 million solely to himself, he’s going to willingly split that with you AND let you keep on as head coach.
Delusional.
Apparently Dodd doesn't know how to use a keyboard, either
NCAA statisticians would attach that little symbol (shift F8 on your keyboard) to his victory total.
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 28, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
thank you!
I caught that as I was reading and for some reason it really bothered me. I mean, it says it ON THE KEY!!
by PSUmob on Jul 28, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And Yahoo's Dienhart has become the voice of reason
He says Clark approaches elite status and Pryor is close but still a work in progress.
Oh, and because the Big Ten’s dominate defenses gives its offenses hard times, the “traditionally” weak media punishes them for it because…well…the traditionally weak media doesn’t know a hill of beans about defense.
Just remember
Last year Clark had a better game than both Tebow and Bradford (3tds 1int ~275 yards) vs 2tds 1int ~275 yards each, and he did it against a much better defense (ZOMG BEST EVAR). He’s the real deal.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
yes, but Pryor was a pretty good WR in his bowl game, too
by The JuggerNitt on Jul 28, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that line about “Pryor could definately be the B10 offensive POY, if they find someone to throw the ball to him” is absolutely brilliant. They need to put that on signs for next years game right next to “Boo Hoo Buckeyes” and Pryor crying.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Jul 28, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The truth is, he'd probably be a pretty good WR
They would have more success last year having Boeckman throw TP the ball
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
Why do we care?
OK, let’s do the math. JoePa is going to coach what? Another 3-4 years. He’s been saying that for what? 20 years?
So if we’re conservative about the numbers, realistically, JoePa will only REALLY coach another 15 years. So at 9 wins a season (since we’re being conservative) that would come out to another 135 wins.
Let Bobby have these wins and his wins in Pop Warner and the wins he’s had playing Madden. He still ain’t gonna catch JoePa.
Typical D*dd
It’s obvious to anyone who has watched that for years Florida State (like Penn State) has been run by the staff.
Until last year, I would say that JoePa’s coaching staff has been as centralized around the head coach like any other.
I always find these comments pretty funny/lazy.
Is Penn State the only team with assistant coaches? Maybe Joe doesn’t micro manage the same way a guy like, say, Stoops does, but I feel like Paterno is probably a lot more like other head coaches in the way he runs things than he is different.
And obviously this year things had to change with his leg, but the idea that ‘Paterno doesn’t do anything’ seems like too easy an answer, especially because we’ve been hearing it for years and years now.
Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.
But he can't be running the team, he's OLD!
You have to assume that the assistants are doing all the work without any actual proof because there’s no way an old person could possibly be capable of coaching a team.
Exactly! Look at Galen Hall.
Oh… wait. Maybe that’s not the best example.
Perhaps Galen Hall sends out play calls via a sophisticated system of nail biting.
BULLSHIT
Watch this video (from last year) and look me in the eyes and tell me the staff runs this program.
If you want to argue this point, I will concede that yes, the staff is relied upon to do recruiting, but it’s my own belief that (and I could be wrong and Joe just doesn’t want to travel all over the place anymore) that he wants recruits to love Penn State for what the program is, what it stands for, and what it has always been, not because he’s considered a legend. I don’t see Joe wanting to throw around his celebrity status to try and woo recruits. Again I could be wrong, just IMO.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 28, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
my favorite thing about that video is how commonplace everything looks. Absolutely ZERO people looked shocked that a tiny old man is out there yelling and gesturing and driving people back. Honestly, when I go to the nursing home my fellowship volunteers at, I’m going to see if any of them can drive me back at all, or if they’ll just lean on me.
You should send that video to Dodd, dawson.
From Dec 26, 2005...
During the run-up to the Orange Bowl, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review posted this article:
Bowden, Paterno and the numbers game
Bowden is recognized as the all-time win leader among Division I-A coaches with a career record of 359-106-4. Paterno trails at 353-117-3. But Paterno supporters note that Bowden’s total includes 31 victories in four seasons at Samford University, known then as Howard College.
Samford had competed for 18 years without scholarship football before Bowden arrived for the 1959 season, didn’t play football from 1974 through 1983, went Division III non-scholarship from 1984 through 1987 and moved to Division I-AA beginning in 1988.
But the NCAA has ruled that all coaching wins count if a coach has coached 10 years at a Division I-A school and all the victories came against four-year schools. Bowden has 30 seasons at Florida State.
Bowden is not strident on the matter of his win total. But when Bowden was asked if all his wins should count, he replied softly, “They probably should. It was a college. It’s relative. I wasn’t playing with Penn State material, either.”
“I’ve got 22 wins at South Georgia that don’t count because it was a junior college.”
Bowden understands there are Paterno loyalists who never will accept the Samford wins.
“I know lot of people disagree with that and it’s fine with me,” he said. “It doesn’t bother me.”
Florida State athletic director Dave Hart Jr. doesn’t understand the debate.
“That’s not even a story, nor should it be,” he said. “Absolutely, all the wins should count.”
Victories against four-year schools
And those include these?
Gordon Junior College
Memphis NAS
Tennessee Tech Freshman
That's what the University of Mexico players were told
Fortunately Bobby came down and introduced them to the forward pass
by Brett Brown on Jul 28, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, Bobby
Do you like my coat? It’s made out of your mom’s pubic hair.
by Tailgate Shogun on Jul 28, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
She wears underwear with dick holes in ’em…
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Jul 28, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If this turns out to NOT be some sort of joke
Mike said it best with the most to-the-point title I’ve seen on a post on BSD:
Bobby Bowden is Pathetic
Is it September 5th yet?
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