Profiles In Pageview Whoring

or, Perhaps The 2009 Pre-Season MVP of Horrible List Month
Scout has their list of the very best 200 football player in college football, and you'll never guess who comes in at #9:
The super-recruit who kept Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State fans waiting on the edge of their seats was the team's best quarterback from the moment he arrived on campus, but the coaching staff still went with Todd Boeckman early on and gave Pryor a few drives here and there to throw defenses a curve ball. He completed 7-of-9 passes against USC, and ran for 40 yards, and he threw four touchdown passes in a win over Troy, but his era truly arrived late in an early October game against Wisconsin. He only ran for 20 yards on the day and he completed 13-of-19 passes for 144 yards with an interception, but when he had to, he came up with a tremendous late scoring drive for the 20-17 win. This offseason, the 6-6, 235-pound sophomore with elite speed busted his tail to become a better quarterback, and worked his arm to the point of exhaustion with throw after throw after throw to improve his accuracy. While he still needs technique work, and he's still going to rely on his legs more often than not, he should be a far more confident passer and he should do far more for the offense.
The first Penn Stater on the list shows up at #27 in Navorro Bowman, curiously one spot ahead of the Big Ten Media's pick for Defensive Player of the Year, Michigan State LB Greg Jones. Both Juniors in name, both over 20 spots behind Florida LB Brandon Spikes.
And Daryll Clark, whoever the heck that guy is, is apparently just nine times worse than the nation's premier arm punter:
66. QB Daryll Clark, Sr., Penn State
With a sixth year of eligibility, Clark is back after an MVP-caliber season (even though Iowa's Shonn Greene was the Big Ten Player of the Year) completing 60% of his throws for 2,592 yards with 19 touchdowns and just six interceptions. He also ran for 282 yards and ten touchdowns. At 6-2 and 233 pounds, he's a thick, tough, strong player with excellent mobility and a great command of the offense. With so many new pieces to the Penn State offensive puzzle, he'll have to be even steadier this season. With his experience, he appears ready to make everyone around him better. The one question mark is his ability in the clutch. While he helped lead the way to an Alamo Bowl win over Texas A&M two years ago, he threw a key late interception against Iowa that ended up leading to the Hawkeye's game-winning drive, and it was Pat Devlin who led the way to the win at Ohio State with the key late drive (after Clark got knocked out of the game). And then there was the Rose Bowl, when he was fantastic in the second half against USC after he struggled and the team was getting blown out in the first half. That's not to say he can't be the main man when needed, but unlike last year, he'll have to carry the team through adversity.
Feel free to point out the embarrassments I missed in the comments.
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Let's focus on
Clark throwing one bad pass the entire season, but disregard Pryor’s mistakes in every big game he played in. Did they even mention him getting pulled against Texas? Didn’t think so…wow the obsession continues…Im just going to stick my head in the sand until November
But but but
he threw 4 TD passes against perennial powerhouse TROY!
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Aug 13, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Pat Devlin who led the way to the win at Ohio State with the key late drive
What? Handing the ball off to Royster, throwing one pass (that was high) and two QB sneaks is “leading the way”.
Please.
Can the season start already?
"I was looking for four things. Honesty, loyalty, trustworthiness and a man of character. Joe Paterno has all of that." - Derrick Williams
by Stately NOVA Lion on Aug 13, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions
+1000 this ^
Maybe I’m getting old but these lists seem to get a thousand times worse every season.
Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.
Shhhh
don’t tell the PA football fanboys.
I need an eyeroll emoticon badly.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
by psuphiman80 on Aug 13, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the point he was trying to make, though
was there was little Devlin did as a QB (other than being a calm presence in the huddle) that had anything to do with that TD that any other QB couldn’t have done. It was a completely ground game on that drive. For all intents and purposes, Royster led that drive.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 13, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
True
but the point the article was trying to make was that Clark didn’t lead that drive. It’s poor wording, and I think most of the doubts about Clark’s “clutchness” are bogus (he wasn’t the only one who underperformed at Iowa), but the article’s point is still dead-on.
www.wewillalwayshavetempe.com
I can't believe I agree with a Buckeye
but, he did lead us to victory in that game. And that one pass if I remember right was a sure DWill TD, but it drew the pass interference call before he got to it. We owe him a lot for that game IMO. He hadn’t been asked to come in and lead the team in anything but 4th qt scraps all season, and he had to come in for the biggest game of the regular season and was able to lead us to get a TD. Give him a little credit.
Totally uncatchable IMO
Not that it really matters in college.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 13, 2009 4:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
IYO
and IMO are totally different, dude. But you could be just taunting….
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Sure looked catchable to me…
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Aug 13, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
werd
we gotta get the dang videotape machine out for this…pesky rutsy’s gonna keep pokin with a stick…..
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
RUTS with the Devlin pass

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
My first thought after that interference was called
(after the excitement) was that it probably wouldn’t have been caught. I couldn’t honestly say 100% that it was uncatchable, but I think it might have been.
by PSUisMyHeart on Aug 13, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s fine, we’re here to win football games, not popularity contests. If popularity won you football games USC wouldn’t have lost a game in 5 years. Tebow would have won the super bowl already.
Fortunately for us we’ll continue to win despite not being popular, despite not having the media in our circle, and despite having an old coach and plain uniforms and a boring slow conference.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
SLOW CONFERENCE????
Try telling that to the arm punter who ran the 40 in 1.17 seconds
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Aug 13, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
The arm punter you speak of...
got his wife pregnant, and she gave birth to a delicious sixteen ounce steak. The afterbirth was sautéed mushrooms.
Terrelle Pryor named the group ShaNaNa. They did not want to be called that.
"The only cohesive passing game in the whole damn conference was in Happy Valley." -Rivalry Esq.
Was the steak
16oz before or after being cooked. And on that note, was it already prepared upon birth?
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
popularity doesn't win you football games
but it does (help you) win championships. The effect of popularity is somewhat lessened in the BCS era, but still exists.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 13, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Repeat after me...
That’s why college football is not a sport, and why we should not care about the national championship.
Just win the Big 10. That’s all we should care about. The MNC has an M for a reason.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Aug 13, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why college football is not a sport, and why we should not care about the national championship.
Just win the Big 10. That’s all we should care about. The MNC has an M for a reason.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 13, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I loved it.
It was much better than Cats.
I’m going to see it again and again.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 13, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly can't wait to see what these MSM writers say
if he blows it miserably under the pressure of being zOMG HEISMAN CANDIDATE1. They might say nothing, but I would love to see them choke on their own words. I totally agree with you. Penn State is all about being the nameless player on the field, not about popularity contests. Let them hype Pryor. Let them stroke his ego, until he starts to believe it himself (because you know the coaches there are doing the same thing). We’ll keep being Penn State, where awards and accolades are nice, but we hold more important things dear than being hyped by the media.
In all fairness
We’re complaining about our quarterback not getting any hype the same week he’s on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
This is true
But the name of the article about Penn State is “Party Crashers” talking about how we might sneak our way back into the BCS, which I don’t necessarily take as “respect” or “hype” for Clark or the team, especially when the three other regional covers are of teams that didn’t make it to the BCS last year.
My opinion
Whatever. Seriously. It’s the pre-season. Just enjoy watching them make fools of themselves.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Aug 13, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad advice man
I just tried it, and had a pretty bad trip
by JoePa'sNotDead on Aug 13, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
TP
I know saying anything complimentary about Pryor is a big no-no on BSD, but I think between all the bashing we’re starting to forget what an unbelievable athlete the guy is.
In my opinion, Terrelle Pryor is not some mythical media creation, he’s actually really damned good. From what I remember last year, he reminded me very much of Lavar in college: he just looked like a men among boys out there. Of course, he was and still is young and needs to improve his passing game, but the boy can play.
Hell, everyone on this site would have gone bananas if he’d come to Penn State. I’m not saying that he’s a better quaterback than DC, but he’s almost certainly a better athlete and he has the chance to develop into a better qb. For all we know, he may have already done so.
JoePa’s well-known for reminding the media about how good Akron and every other team we ever play is, for respecting the competition. Maybe we out to take a page out of the old man’s book, have some humble respect for TP and prepare to kick his ass and beat the living sh*t out of him on November 7. If we actually think he’s over-rated, our chances of doing that are markedly smaller.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I don't think anyone denies he's an incredible athlete
Antoine Randel El was an incredible athlete as well (and that definitely helps in the college game), but was NOT a good QB.
So far Pryor has shown he’s a great athlete, but not shown he’s better than a mediocre to average QB. He was only a freshman last year, so he should improve, but there’s been no indication yet that that is the case, and in fact in his last performance he got pulled (Texas game). How can you not be an effective QB against a Big 12 defense? There were 3 Heisman hopefuls in that conference at QB, in part because of the weak defensive play. But he did show that he was pretty good as a WR.
We’ll see how he is this year, and by the time PSU plays him we’ll have a pretty good idea of how far he’s come, but as of yet, arm-punting is not the defining mark of a good QB.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 13, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
By the numbers
From ESPN: In 2008, Darryl Clark had a passer rating of 143.44, completed 192 of 321 passes (59.8%) for 2,592 yards and 19 TDs. He ran the ball for 282 yards and 10 TDs on 79 attempts (3.6 ypa).
In 2008, TP had a passer rating of 146.5, completed 100 of 165 passes (60.6%) for 1,311 yards and 12 TDs. He ran the ball for 631 yards and 6 TDs on 139 attempts (4.5 ypa).
Those numbers look pretty similar. I would expect the true freshman to have a bigger jump going into his sophmore year than someone going into their senior year.
And, if I remember correctly—and I think I do—half of BSD was yelling for Devlin to get more playing time at the beginning of last year. I know we’re all homers so there’s no chance of a reasonable answer, but what if we did have Terrelle Pryor on the squad this year…what then? DC’s still the starter, I think, but there would definitely be chatter from the cheap seats about getting TP in the game.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Hypothetically...
Let’s say TP was wearing blue and white- I’d have no problem whatsoever with him being on the field for every offensive snap this season… typically as a wide receiver, but occasionally behind the center as well. I would say you could even line him up at fullback in short-yardage situations, but we all know what happens when he’s confronted with the choice between an easy dive forward versus a run outside on third-and-one.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 13, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
but we all know what happens when he’s confronted with the choice between an easy dive forward versus a run outside on third-and-one.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
fun with stats
in 2006 AM had a passer rating of 111.90, completed 208 of 386 passes (53.9%) for 2424 yards, and 11 TDs.
in 2007 AM had a passer rating of 124.23, completed 234 of 402 passes (58.2%) for 2651 yards, and 19 TDs.
Those numbers look pretty similar as well (though the rating not quite as good). I would not consider AM even close to a top 200 college player of his time, and although he was a competent QB against so-so teams, he sucked against good teams and in the clutch. I have not seen anything yet that says TP is as good or better than AM.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 13, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I take your point
the stats can be misleading. “How to lie with statistics,” referred to my by Wilson Moses, among my favorite PSU professors, is a great book.
Though there’s a big difference in the passer rating, and I failed to include INTs. If you did that, AM would look worse again.
I just think its important to also realize that homerism can be blinding. TP isn’t as good as the national media says he is; he’s also not as bad as the typical BSDer would have you believe.
I guess when you get down to it, that’s my point.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I specifically left out INTs, because you did as well, and I specifically thought of "How to lie with statistics" when doing so
I guess since I (maybe of the few?) don’t actually think TP is terrible, it bugs me to see how much hype he is getting, because as of yet, I don’t htink he’s good. I actually think he did pretty decent as a TRUE Freshman, but he still finished basically 95th in passing offense, so while his rating is good, as someone else points out, it isn’t that hard when you throw infrequently, and are limited to “safe” passes.
Basically everyone is saying he is great, when really they should be saying he has the potential to be great. But if that’s the case, I should say that my nephew is one of the 200 best QBs in the country because he’s successful at the pee-wee league and looks to have a lot of potential.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 13, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
alas, he wants to go the baseball route
and my sister is in full support of that, as I guess football is dangerous or something.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 13, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
But he’s kind of maxed out athletic ability. He’s no bigger, stronger or faster than he was last year. It’s one thing to be 6’4" 230 in High School. His High School success was based largely on deveopling early and quickly. But physically, he’s not getting much more athletic.
For all his gifts, he was not a dominant athlete last season. Or did I miss something? Michael Vick was dominant as a freshman. Pryor’s 2008 wasn’t anything near the same zip code as Michael Vick’s was. From a throwing the ball standpoint, they have many of the same problems.
We’ll see, but the love this kid is getting is outragous.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
but not on football ability
his passing and decision-making should both improve markedly this year. He also needs to put some weight on, though I have no idea if he’s done that.
I’m not saying that the love he’s getting isn’t outrageous, I’m just suggesting that it’s also somewhat justified.
All things considered, I think the bigger tragedy is that DC isn’t getting more love. But it will come, that’s why they play the games.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
two things
The assumption is that passing and decision-making should improve and that because of his physical gifts he’ll be a monster.
1 should improve, isn’t improved.
2 he didn’t physically dominate last year.
He’s not the most athletically gifted freshman quarterback I’ve ever seen, ie, he is not a once in a lifetime talent. Michael Vick, Pat White, Major Harris were all better.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
Vick did have a better freshman year
but he was a redshirt freshman.
I don’t remember thinking of Pat White in significantly different way than how I think of TP, that is, he’s a great athlete playing quaterback, but not really a great quaterback. Maybe he was better, but I don’t know.
I was too mesmerized by Tony Rice to ever think twice about Major Harris as anything more than a tackling dummy for Stonebreaker and company in the 88 fiesta bowl.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
All three of them made plays
Big awesome plays, especially with their legs, but also with their arms. Never once during the Ohio State game did I get the feeling that Pryor was some sort of super-human that was head and sholders above our defense.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
TP made plays too
just not against our defense. I definitely got that feeling in games in which he was playing against teams with names on their jerseys.
I think this will be a critical year for him. He’ll either make the leap and make those kinds of plays in big games, against good defenses and all of the rest, or he’ll flop and be kind of a middling, Juice Williams-type quarterback who becomes a wideout whenever he goes pro.
At this point, I don’t know enough to say which is more likely, I tend to think its kind of 50-50.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
FWIW
And you may or may not believe this. I was actually more impressed with Freshman Juice Williams than I was with Freshman Terrell Pryor.
I thought Juice made a lot more out of a lot less.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
definitely agreed
but I was also more impressed with Freshman Zack Mills.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 13, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but..
You didn’t know how much JunIor Zack Mills’s Shoulder sucked.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Aug 13, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
By his junior year
Zack Mills had no left shoulder.
by Screen Name 20 on Aug 13, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The backlash against Pryor isn't about him, it's about the media.
I think everyone agrees he’s a top flight athlete. Everyone agrees he’s fast as hell. Everyone agrees that if you give a guy with as much raw talent as he has a chance to beat you, he probably will.
People don’t object and say that Pryor is talentless, they object to the fact that he’s held up as the second coming of Jim Thorpe despite having done almost nothing to merit it on the field. I’m nauseated by the totally one-sided coverage of him, and I actually trhink he’ll wind up being pretty good.
A comeback against Wisky? Sure it was big at the time, but does anyone remember how State crushed ’em the very next week, or that Wisconsin turned out to be much more of a paper tiger than people thought.
A clutch player? He got pulled in his bowl game in favor of a guy who could, uh, actually pass.
The 9th best player in college football? Based upon last year? Hell, he wasn’t even the 9th best player at his position last year. He didn’t even throw enough passes to be included in the conference QB rating rankings despite starting most of O$S’s games! Of course you’re going to have a decent QB rating if you’re only putting the ball in the air 15 times a game and your’re only allowed to throw bubble screens.
The truth is that Pryor was asked to do very little last year and at times he looked very good doing it. At other times he looked like he was out of his depth. What annoyes the hell out of me is that the media ignores all of the mistakes he made — ignores the picks, the fumbles, the poor decisions, the lazy passes — and focuses only how good he looked at those fleeting moments when he could pull a rabbit out of his hat.
If the media treated Randall Cunningham like this, he’d be in the Hall of Fame right now.
When can I go home?
if the media treated Randall Cunningham like they should
he’d be in the Hall of Fame right now. He doesn’t need the special treatment, just needs to be judged on his accomplishments.
And I too love the double standard. “Clark didn’t perform well in big games (because he had a concussion)”. “Pryor was an average QB, but came up with a big scoring drive against Wisconsin” um…why were they losing to Wisconsin in the first place?
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 13, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, Wisconsin sucked. Hard.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
that's...
…kinda the point i was trying to make on another thread.
this instant news media/blogosphere world is great on one hand (lots of content, etc), but on the other it just wears on me with some of the more trivial items. so someone popped off that Pryor dashed the 40 in 4.33 or hit a drive over a mountain, that’s the kind of stuff that i DON’T need.
and I know, I know…“then don’t read all the comments”…BUT I CAN’T!!!!! IT’S LIKE A TRAIN WRECK OR CAR CRASH….YOU CAN’T LOOK AWAY OR HELP FROM EVEN PARTICIPATING!!!!
I used to half comment reading self control
But I lost all of it
by PSUisMyHeart on Aug 13, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Watched TP
4-5 times last year, and while he showed repeatedly that he is an elite athlete I don’t remember seeing a single play where I thought: wow if he puts this together he could be an elite QB. He just looked awkward. Not comfortable in the pocket, poor decision making, terrible throwing motion. Maybe he was just young and unpolished. Maybe that will change this year, but last year he looked like he should be somewhere else on the field.
Agreed
When I see TP I see a wide receiver playing quarterback. Line him up outside and he could be another Michael Crabtree. But in the backfield he never looked like a natural QB to me. His best plays came when things broke down and he had to use his athletic ability to run. I don’t care if my QB can run a 4.3 40 time. I’ll take a 4.7 forty with a good head and accurate arm to go with it.
TB played QB in high school because most small town teams take their best athlete and put him at QB so he touches the ball on every play. But most of those kids, like Curtis Drake, realize they’re better suited at WR in the college game. TP insisted on being a QB, and I think he’ll pay for that decision in the end.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Supposedly, Notre Dame wanted him as a defensive end
And that would be absolutely terrifying if he actually had the mindset for it.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 13, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with Mike
although I think there’s still a chance that TP matures into more of a natural qb. He’s got the height for it, but he’s more reminiscent of Michael Irvin than Troy Aikman or even more athletic qbs like McNabb and Rothlisberger.
But I agree that good head and accuracy are more important than absolute speed for a qb.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Pryor will be interesting in that he could:
a) Turn into a good qb
b) Go the Juice Williams route of “this guy is going to be the shit next year”
c) Become the source of a major rules infraction
I was at Buccaneer's training camp yesterday with my parents
and of course the people behind us were Browns/Ohio State fans. They didn’t hate on my SBXLIII Holmes jersey, but they weren’t happy to hear I was PSU alumni. The old timer very emphatically stated that TP was going to lead the buckeyes to greatness this year. Since my old man has a zen-like attitude towards conflict, I merely replied, “we’re really looking forward to your visit to Happy Valley”. My mom and I were both biting our tongues!! All I wanted to say was “what evidence do you have to support that contention?”
BTW there was one PSU alumni there, TE John Gilmore, and man did he look big. He caught a bunch of passes too.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
And then there was the Rose Bowl, when he was fantastic in the second half against USC after he struggled and the team was getting blown out in the first half.
I can’t figure out if this is a compliment that he was able to pull it together and play well or a poor example of this
The one question mark is his ability in the clutch.
wouldn’t performing well later be the very definition of “ability in the clutch”?
Bad writing
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
well I think he's implying that at that point in the game
PSU had lost, and USC had backed off so there was no real pressure anymore.
I don’t particularly agree with that, as I was at the game, and it still seemed tense and that PSU had a chance until basically the very end, but from someone who doesn’t see things through blue tinted glasses and who may not have even really payed that close attention to the game anyway, I could see how someone would think that.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 13, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
TP's Intelligence
If someone’s already mentioned it, I missed it. I agree TP is a phenomenal athlete. I just don’t think he’s smart enough to be a QB in college, and especially not in the Pro’s. I felt the same way about Vick. He’d have been better suited as more of a slash type player and less of a QB.
I have no basis for judging his intelligence
and while he made some boneheaded plays last year, for the moment I’m chalking that up to being a true freshman. He may very well turn out to be a phenomenal QB, but he also may be a bust. Last year didn’t give enough info either way, so as much as the people claiming he’s the #9 player in the country are making unsubstantiated claims, so are the people saying he’s terrible.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 13, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
They also note all of the "new" pieces in the offense that Clark will have to deal with...
OK, yes, there will be 3 new receivers. Isn’t TP working with a new group of receivers, as well? And Clark still has Royster. There’s no Beanie in Columbus anymore. Hell, you could make a really compelling argument that Beanie had a more significant impact on TP’s success than Royster had on Clark.
Why is it that Clark has to “become” the main man, and TP already “is” the main main? Last I checked, Clark didn’t get pulled in obvious passing situations.
Leadership
Pryor didn’t even get to go to the Big Ten media days, so it’s hard to buy that he’s a leader on the team.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Don't coaches typically just take seniors though?
Not to rain on your parade.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
Senior or not...
I just think it’s funny that they think that Clark has to, somehow, prove that he can be the man. (Never mind that he was the best QB in the big 10 last season.) Granted, had great receivers last year. But let’s face it – if they think that’s the only reason Clark was any good last season, then have them explain away 2006 and 2007 and why QB14 couldn’t do what Clark did.
When Jeanette played Greensburg Central Catholic in the WPIAL championship during TP’s junior season, the announcers just creamed themselves over all of his ability. Yet, all he did was run. And his athletic ability was obvious in that venue (I think Nick Sukay was the only other kid on the field that compared, athletically). But he is just like Austin Scott. You can run away from kids in HS. But when you are playing against men – who are just as athletic – it’s not going to happen. I really think people are going to be for a huge letdown with TP.
And yet, you have Clark – who didn’t have the fanfare, but has a great story of battling adversity, and who has demonstrated success, and he’s a footnote. These idiot writers – especially those covering the Big 10 – just can’t see the forest for the trees.
who are "they"...
and when have they said that “clark has to, somehow, prove that he can be the man?”
I just haven’t really read this myself. You, maybe, could read into the rankings and think this is there suggestion, but I don’t really think that’s what the preseason rankings are implying.
As for big-ten writers, the only one I really know of is Adam on espn’s blog and I thought he had a very measured take on big-ten heisman hopefuls (putting, though not ranking, dc ahead of tp):
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I meant to include the link
to Adam’s big ten heisman story:
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
that is pretty much exactly what preseason rankings are implying
they are implying that they think Pryor is better than Clark at this moment, ad that he should perform better during the season (though in reality I almost feel that pre-season rankings are way to stir the pot and make people discuss the absurdity of it all).
Why else do you think a Pittsburgh sports broadcaster would ask Mike the question about how DC can live up to the legend that is The Pryor? That’s basically the perception these “rankings” are giving off.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 13, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I kind of had a knee-jerk reaction to the excepts above....
But, regarding Clark, the article excerpt plainly says, “That’s not to say he can’t be the main man when needed, but unlike last year, he’ll have to carry the team through adversity” and then the artcile cites the Iowa game as an example of how he couldn’t come through in the clutch.
In ranking TP, the article glosses over his average numbers, but fawns over TP’s era beginning in the final drive against Wisconsin. Why is there no mention of him literally and figuratively dropping the ball late agains PSU?
Take a look at the Joe Bendel interview Mike did last week. Mike’s answer was probably the best answer that that question. “Are you serious?” And that’s the same kind of response I seem to have every time I read about TP’s mythical exploits.
Most coaches take the leaders or captains
Didn’t Puz go a few years back as a junior?
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by carolinaeasy on Aug 13, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that I have awakened from my summer long haze of hops and grain let me throw my two cents in.
This scouts article is typical mass media bull crap. O$U is getting a pass based on a somewhat strong performance in the fiesta bowl against a vastly overrated Texas team. Because they have to justify why everyone in the world loves O$U as a top 10 team they have to write articles about their “sexy” position players, players who command recognition when their name is mentioned. Pryor is that guy. Laura is gone and Beanie is gone so there is a void that has developed in the O$U universe and these writers are going to fill said void with articles about the most prolific arm punter in the game today.
Personally I hate that we have to compare Pryor and Clark. Aside from being black qbs in the same conference I see very little similarities between the two. Clark is fiery, yet clearly the leader. Pryor has yet to display any of that, Clark has united his team. Remember the big flack about Boeckman last year? Doesn’t exactly sound like a man commanding his teams respect.
Also since the boys at Scouts decided to question Clark’s “clutch” ability, and I won’t even get into the basis of how you decide clutch from non clutch even Bill James struggles with that statistically, I think people need to recall the picture that is shown at the top of this page.
How “clutch” can you be when you can’t even clutch the ball on a one yard dive?
Anyway my rant is over, I am glad to be back again and look forward to this great blog continuing to serve up what we all expect. Bacon and Zug!
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I hope that wasn't sarcastic! lol
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by carolinaeasy on Aug 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothin but love, brother.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Speaking of hops and grain...
I entered two beers into competition, am harvesting hops this weekend, and am working on a bacon flavored beer.
I agree with the overrated perspective, Pryor isn’t proven. He has legs, but doesn’t seem to me like he will develop enough to meet the hype.
We’ve got the much more humble demeanor of DC and his skills and I for one am happy with that. No name on the jersey… the team, not the individual. I hope they are reminded of the “PSU’s student section isn’t that loud” attitude TP has right before kickoff against tOSU.
by MicrobrewPSU on Aug 13, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This may shock you, so be prepared
but I’m also not impressed with Tebow’s QBing skills, but he just replaces the arm punt with the jump pass.
But as numerous examples can be pointed to, you don’t have to be a good QB to perform well in college football.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 13, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Now there, we are in total agreement
I think Tebow and Pryor will follow similar pro career trajectories, and that both will be out of the league due to injury problems before 30.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 13, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not the only one.
It’s times like this I wish “The Best Damn Blog In The Land” was an available name, but i wasn’t, so fooey
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I wonder
Shaving Tempe… did you learn your skills from the ‘wax’ man?
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I'm not the "wax" man.
I’m the wax man.
If I knew anything about shaving, then I would be the “wax” man.
Not a razor in my house.
There are a few barometers though. And an anemometer. But apparently, those would both seem to point to me being a Brazilian waxing expert.
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by istolejoesglasses on Aug 13, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
Hmmm....
I refuse to get stirred up over these things. Pryor is a guy with a buzz around him, whatever. Clark may or may not have been clutch whatever. So far Pryor is 0-1 against PSU. He could win 3 Heismans be the first NFL pick and go to the hall of fame for all I care, as long as he loses to PSU I don’t care what he does or does not do otherwise.
I don’t want him to lose to PSU because he didn’t come here, I want him to lose to PSU because he is the QB of an in-league rival. Same as Forcier, Juice, Stanzi, Kafka, Chappel, etc etc.
Is anyone shocked that potential and measurables win out? Especially in college? Pryor may or may not become great. So what. I still like Daryll Clark better right this second. Maybe not, say 2 years from now, but that doesn’t matter. What matters is w-l. So far in the Pryor era at OSU, they have a worse record than PSU. Lets hope that continues. Everything else is meh to me.
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