Mauti Suffers Knee Injury
by Run Up The Score on Aug 16, 2009 11:31 PM EDT
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Puppies everywhere are crying. FightOnState.com says it's an ACL. Collegian with some details:
Sophomore linebacker Mike Mauti suffered a knee injury in Sunday's scrimmage at Beaver Stadium, his father Rich Mauti confirmed Sunday night.
While the elder Mauti would not comment on the extent of his son's injury until doctors did more tests, he said the linebacker would probably undergo an MRI Monday for further evaluation.
"It's the ugliest part of football," said Rich Mauti, a Penn State wide receiver in the mid 1970s. "He's pretty disappointed, just trying to figure out what it all means. He needs time just to let this thing sink and digest."
Rich Mauti said his son was pursuing running back Brandon Beachum on a sweep play, and when Beachum cut back, the younger Mauti went to cut and tangled his knee up.
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Injuries in practice suck.
So……we should never practice. Problem solved.
I think we all feel for Mike right now, but if there is any positive here it is that LB is a place of great depth.
Get better soon 42, you’re one of my favorites out there.
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"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Aug 16, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's official
You’re stuck with a Hull in the middle.
Say it ain’t so, Mauti!
by smashtheguitar on Aug 16, 2009 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Players can improve, ya know
I always like a walk-on story, although I agree Hull was pretty mediocre last year, and obviously Mauti is a better option, but Hull can still improve himself from last year.
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never got why people hated on Hull
Yeah he was nothing crazy spectacular, but was he supposed to even be playing? Not really, definitely not starting. He is very serviceable. He was second on the team in tackles(how he got those tackles, yeah that is another thing).
I am just glad that we are spoiled at linebacker to the point where a player of Hull’s caliber is not considered starting quality.
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by Roland86 on Aug 17, 2009 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
Wasn’t Hull like, 2nd in tackles last year? … Or am I just making that up?
Yes, he sounds determined to start and could be good. There were just a few times last year where I think a lot of us would have rather seen someone else holding down the middle last year, that’s all. Here’s hoping this helps him step up to the plate.
by smashtheguitar on Aug 17, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hull
The reason I can’t stand Hull is there is no knack for knowing where the ball was. There was plenty of times Hull’s tackles came way down field where he was recovering from not shedding a block. Just think of the Michigan game, they are running it right down our throats. As soon as Hull comes out the defense played with such different intensity. I am sure he is a nice kid and all but we are LB U and do not need a walk-on playing.
by cjj127 on Aug 17, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Saying “we do not need a walk-on playing” is a really crappy thing to do. Saying “we should have higher expectations for our LBs, being that we are LBU” is okay, but the first thing(what you actually typed) is fairly arrogant imo.
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by Roland86 on Aug 17, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
think about all the walk-on kids we have had and how good they all have played. We have had so many good Walk-on players in every position. I can see keeping a guy to higher standards but I happy to see our walk-on players.
by jetskijoe on Aug 17, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
We shouldn’t be dumping on walk ons. They’re an important part of any team. Just ask Deon Butler, Jordan Norwood, and Ethan Kilmer.
Mike
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by BSD on Aug 17, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Norwood was a schollie player, I thought?
didn’t JoePa see him play basketball or something and offer afterwards? (plus having the DB coach as your father probably doesn’t hurt)
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 17, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he greyshirted, I thought I had heard that in the Levi Commits thread
Regardless, all three of those guys were very, very lightly recruited and ended up being wildly successful, and getting the chance to play in the NFL.
Also, Just to add to that list, we’ve had numerous kickers/punters walk on, like Boone, who are doing excellently.
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hull
Hull (1 year starting) + Bowman (1 year starting) + Lee > Hull (no starting experience) + Bowman (no starting experience) + Sales
Yeah, this sucks, and there’s no way to polish this turd. But regardless, our LB corps WILL be better than they were last year…
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-Tony Hunt
by Cpiritual27 on Aug 17, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And they weren't too shabby last year if I recall...
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we still have a huge hole at pile-jumper.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Aug 17, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad he's taken his stolen Butkus trophy, and his "tackles"
to the NFL where pile jumpers always have illustrious and storied careers.
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pile-Jumper
Who was the bigger pile jumper Hull or Capone?
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by FireJayPa on Aug 17, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's easy
Laurinaitis.
IIRC, Capone didn’t pile jump, he just made tackles 7 yards downfield.
by Screen Name 20 on Aug 17, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welp...
This really sucks. I was excited about Mauti this year.
If there is a silver lining in this story (it is hard to find) it is that Beachum cuts so hard that players hurt themselves trying to catch up.
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by Rogue Nine on Aug 17, 2009 1:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Pozluszny in 2005, Connor last season in Carolina’s camp, Jerome Hayes (Twice!), Lee last spring, and now Mauti? What the hell is going on with the knees?
I understand that this stuff isn’t really preventable, but wow! That is uncanny. Linebacker U is becoming ACL U. ….err, I gess that acronym is already taken.
by Spats on Aug 17, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This...
isn’t a new phenomenon. We have sort of gotten off this bandwagon a little bit because we started winning again but our S&C program is abhorent. In fact, with Michigan’s new coaching blood I am pretty sure PSU is the only remaining (or one of the only remaining) schools that uses HIT (anyone please feel free to correct me if this changed and I just didn’t read about it). It has been a sticking point with our players moving into the pro’s and was certainly indicative of the rash of knee injuries suffered by PSU players. I don’t know exactly how many more Lion’s suffer knee injuries, and it may seem like more only because I follow them so closely, but at some point we need to start looking at this as a serious problem. I know football players get hurt, and if ours do at the same rate as everyone elses that is fine, but if not, something should probably change.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Aug 17, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to even go down that road
Because the S&C debate goes on and on and on and on, when I really believe this is just an example of injuries that happen practically at random, in every program across America. I mean, Florida’s had about 8-10 guys in the last two years with this injury, haven’t they?
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a fair question
I was wondering the same thing myself this morning. Maybe it’s just dumb luck, but it seems like we’re getting hit harder with ACL injuries than other programs. Especially at linebacker. I know if I were Urban Meyer or Charlie Weis and I was going up against Penn State for a kid, I would be sure to point out the unique S&C program and all the ACL injuries Penn State has suffered.
Mike
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by BSD on Aug 17, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Florida had five ACL tears in an eleven month stretch last summer.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Maybe Urban Meyer was a bad choice for my hypothetical situation. Replace him with Wannstedt or Schiano if you like. But I’m concerned that this is becoming a regular enough occurrance that it could hurt Penn State in recruiting. Here is the list of players I can think of just off the top of my head in recent years.
Posluszny
Dan Connor
Sean Lee
Devon Still
Brent Carter
Jerome Hayes (twice)
Mauti
Coakley
I’m probably leaving somebody out there. Maybe it’s dumb luck, but given the fact we’re the only program in the country using HIT I think it gives opposing programs some serious ammunition to use against us.
Mike
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by BSD on Aug 17, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pete Massaro
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by QBsneak12 on Aug 17, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I don’t follow the other programs close enough to know if this is just an issue for us, although I think if tOSU or UM players were dropping like flies one of us would have noticed. It is simply a trend that has become more and more troubling as we watch star player after star player suffer knee injuries. It doesn’t have as large of a recruiting impact when we are winning, but it certainly will if the program stumbles.
Didn’t mean to open up this can of worms because RUTS is correct, this is a debate that really has no clear answer, but its troubling nonetheless. I love that PSU holds on to many traditions well after other schools abandon them, an outdated S&C program, however, would not be one of them.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Aug 17, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could, but they'd be reaching.
Until I see actual, scientific proof that one particular system of traning is better or worse for knee injuries than another, I’m not buying it. It’s just scapegoating the S&C program without basis. And if Schiano or Wanny want to hang their hat on the knee injury lottery to beat Penn State in a recruiting battle, great, go for it.
The human body isn’t meant to do the things that football players do. I’ve even read that 16% of all college football players suffer an ACL injury. These things happen.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're looking at it like a lawyer.
I’m looking at it like a 17 year old kid who wants to play in the NFL. The S&C program can be a huge sell or a huge negative in college decision. Right now Penn State’s S&C program has some doubts. The fact that no other program and no NFL team uses it can’t help us.
Mike
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by BSD on Aug 17, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coaches say anything to get a player, this isn't new.
It’s up to kids and their parents to see through the bullshit that any coach sells them: Joe Paterno is going to retire before your sophomore season. Penn State doesn’t look out for its players when they get in trouble. The Big Ten is slow. Penn State won’t get you to the NFL. Whatever. This S&C thing is no different. For every one kid that tactic might work on, there are 100 who are worried about something like academic choices, partying, playing on TV, proximity to home, how many players get drafted from PSU every year, where their girlfriend is going to school, whether the coaches are going to let them play a certain position, etc.
Why didn’t the S&C program have any doubters when we were putting up 40 wins in the last four years? The only time someone ever mentions it is when something bad happens.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes Kevin like, Butters, right?
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Aug 17, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and it makes ReadingRambler AWESOM-O
Or Mr. Slave. Not sure which.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a confession. I don’t know what you’re talking about. I should probably watch South Park more.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you should...
just know that you don’t want to be compared to Mr. Slave. In any way. Ever.
by Screen Name 20 on Aug 17, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
What was the deal with that? It just seemed harsh.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
by jesse. on Aug 17, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will not apologize for any Mr. Slave reference.
Ever, ever.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, I’ve only seen two episodes. The one where Cartman fights the hippie invasion and the dog whisperer one.
I’m so ashamed of myself.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are two of the best IMO.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although the
LOTR/Porn video episode starring Butters as Gollum was pretty memorable.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Aug 17, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"LOTR/Porn video episode starring Butters as Gollum was pretty memorable."
I’ve watched a lot of southpark and that may be the best episode ever. That and Casa Bonita and Scott Tederman must die. Man that show had some serious peaks.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Aug 17, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always been a sucker for the classic
Underpants gnomes episode.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
by IcersGuy on Aug 17, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've actually been to Casa Bonita in Denver.
It is frightening.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a real place?
I did not know that.
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I just looked it up
and absolutely everything from the South Park episode is indeed real and not made up. Including cliff divers.
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, it exists.
Only there are no actual “cliffdivers” in the Acapulco sense of the word — they’re really just high school kids in board shorts doing really bad four minute plays. Also, the food is plastic, the sopapillas are terrible, the salsa is ketchup, and I shit no less than 16 times (yes, I counted) the next day.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I did take this picture.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I couldn't confirm
if the food was any good just from reading the website.
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to think bennigans was fake
until I moved to florida and saw that they WERE real.
Poor butters no more monte cristos nowadays.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Aug 18, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT!?!?!?!
they don’t serve Monte Cristos anymore? That’s my favorite hangover meal. A bit breakfasty, a bit lunchy
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 19, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no I guess they still serve the deep-fried sandwich
its just that most bennigans are out of business. I believe only the independent ones are still open. I know like 10 of them went under last year in the Tampa Bay area.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Aug 19, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always kinda liked Butters.
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by Kevin HD on Aug 17, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butters is the preferred character
of the Mr. and Mrs. RUTS household.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
butters is my favorite
I loved this episode possibly the most, as well. I only hope I never have to be dressed up as a puppy to get medicle care.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 17, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine too, and I'm still not sure why
I guess it might just be his lines and his parents. “Oh hamburgers” makes me laugh for some reason.
Also, the Paris Hilton episode where his parents sell Butters to Paris was a hilarious episode.
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious and forgive my naiveity in this issue
but what is the criticism of our S+C programs? I hadn’t really heard this criticism before. So can someone explain it to me?
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It started a long, long time ago...
…when Penn State offensive and defensive lines started getting pushed around by some of the better OL’s and DL’s in the conference, about 10 years ago. Penn State uses a method called HIT (high intensity training), which was also used by a few other programs including Michigan (and some NFL teams). Less free weights, different exercises, etc. I don’t want to get too far into the distinctions between HIT and “Olympic” (for lack of a better term) training methods. Just know that we do something that is different than what is currently done by 90-95% of other major programs, although PSU apparently mixes in a lot of free weight exercises now, too.
Because we’re in a decided minority on this issue, people love to blame the S&C program whenever anything goes wrong, whether it’s a team running for 250 yards against us or some kids randomly blowing knee ligaments. It’s never that Penn State had less talented players, or the coaches didn’t perform well, or the other team was just better, or that non-contact football injuries are a fickle, fickle bitch that strikes randomly and fiercely. There’s a segment of the PSU fan base that will ALWAYS return to the S&C argument, which you never hear in a positive manner when things are going very well.
And there’s more to this, such as the PSU lifting program doesn’t prepare guys to perform the bench press drill well at the NFL combine. I don’t know if that’s true or not. I don’t really care.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's some supplemental info to RUTS comment
by Screen Name 20 on Aug 17, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"This argument always blows up in Audibles about once a year or so"
And that’s when I take my cue to ignore the argument completely, and judge it as irrelevant.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 17, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, that's why I like BSD
it acts somewhat like my “sanity filter”, and I know that if I read something on here, or through a link, it is mostly in proper context, and most likely not some pointless fight or rumor
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 17, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
it goes nowhere every time.
by Screen Name 20 on Aug 17, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what she said
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the info
I had never really heard this argument before against the S+C regiment. The thing I still don’t get is why ACL injuries are somehow linked to strength programs. ACL is a ligament, not a muscle. Other than making sure the ligaments are stretched properly, I don’t see any medical reason why a weight training program could cause this.
Knee injuries are typically the result of odd bends to the joint from what I understand. Look at Tom Brady’s ACL tear last year and how much attention that got. If someone is grabbing your leg and you try to pull away, your knee keeps moving while your leg is stationary, resulting in an unnatural bend of the knee joint, and added strain on the ligaments in the joint. I guess this is why this argument seems stupid to me.
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently some of the PSU greats have no problem with the S&C program
Video goodness as proof
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by Horse N Buggy on Aug 17, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
knee injuries
I’m somewhat of an expert in messing up my knees, as I’ve F’d my knees up MANY MANY times (I think I’ve had 8 or so dislocated knees, and LUCKILY no apparent permanent damage). Of course, I’m also an idiot and never do my knee exercises, leading to greater susceptibility (though that frustration is mainly because after many months of daily PT on just my knee I had no improvement on the stability of my kneecap, as apparently my patella femoral groove is just too shallow)
But anyway, while the ACL (and other knee ligaments) are ligaments, and not muscles, you still need the muscles to be strong and balanced in order to keep your knee from bending in awkward directions, thus stretching/spraining or tearing your ligaments, as well as to hold the kneecap in place. I don’t know any details of our S&C program vs other programs, but if they are focusing on making certain muscles really strong, while not working on the stabilizing muscles, and making sure there is enoug strength in the antagonizing muscles as well, then you can be more prone to knee injuries.
This is one of the reasons that free weights are (supposedly) better than using machines, since in order to lift the weights you also need to keep it “stable”, and so you develop those muscles as well. On a machine, it is typically only going to be able to move in one predefined direction, and so your stabilizing muscles.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 18, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
I’m not a PT, OT or trainer by any means; but have many friends that are and had my own MCL+ACL+maniscus all torn in my left knee – - @ the same time.
So I became very close to my doc ( who was Pitt’s surgeon at the time; so you can pile-on if you want/ I’m over it/my cousin was the hospital administrator & that’s where I placed my trust.) I moreso became very close with my PT. Here is his “take” with the all-to-common injury: In the ’80’s for example, high schoolers played 3 sports. We grew up playing many different sports. Therefore we were “cross-training” our bodies (muscles/ligs/coordination…etc.) This was very common; 3-sport stars. He had seen/experienced BY FAR fewer occurrences of this injury.
So the kids and coaches commonly focus on one. They train and lift with very similar motions. Currently, compared to the past, there are MANY MORE camps and training opportunites now available. More exposure/purer focus now. I feel that the coaches and kids relationships are even closer year’round, constant contact. But I don’t think enough coaches help “train” these youths to stretch and crosstrain more on their own. Run the hills, on the woods trails; growing and strengthening the supportive muscles and ligaments as one example.
Hitting the hack-squat machine and doing leg extensions, squats is great. Building the muscle is very important it does help. But what is the weakest link?…exactly ( I believe. ) Work on your range on motion. Play more than one / or two sports for years.
This is not the end-all/be-all, NOT the answer or fix for every young athlete. Some point solely to the surfaces they play-on…some are purely accidents for sure.
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by BlueWhiteLife on Aug 17, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO running "hills and woods trails" would be more risky than physical contact in practice
In the woods, you can slip, fall and break something, not to mention catching a foot in a root which could screw up the ankle.
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it goes back even farther than that.
I noticed when I was in school that Penn State’a backfield suffered what I thought was an unusual number of ACL injuries.
Anybody else remember how Curtis Enis & Ki-Jana Carter both tore ACLS in like their third game pro, and Aaron Harris went down while he still wore blue & white. It seems like those injuries all occurred in short order, and it caused me to wonder at the time if the was something off with the s&c program.
Or it could all be random and we’re finding patterns in chaos. Used to be RBs, now it’s LBs, but it could always just be bad luck.
When can I go home?
by mushdamma on Aug 17, 2009 9:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Posluszny
I really don’t think it’s fair to lump Paul’s injury in with the rest of the injuries suffered on that list. For one, he didn’t tear any ligaments right? Two, his injury was caused by contact, where as all the other injuries were of the phantom variety, which ironically are the worst kind.
by nittanyroar on Aug 17, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct...Paul caught a helmet to the knee...different from the guys that got hurt making a cut.
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by QBsneak12 on Aug 17, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is not the 8SDiva preferred photo of Poz. Stuck in airport and can’t post the correct one. Please help.
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by QBsneak12 on Aug 17, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the better photo
my monday just got a lot better!
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by amandakt on Aug 17, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks baby.
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by kmblue on Aug 17, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poz
Wasn’t his just a partial MCL tear?
by The Mess on Aug 17, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
You’re right, they were partial tears.
by nittanyroar on Aug 17, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colasanti
I remember reading many positive things regarding this guy when he was a Freshman. What’s going on with him?
by jonbeav on Aug 17, 2009 8:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
He is supposed to redshirt this season.
Don’t know if that’ll change now. It seems that he hasn’t quite picked up the finer mental points of being a LB. You never hear that he’s not strong enough or too slow, etc. It just hasn’t clicked for him yet.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my question...pageing Mr. Colasanti
Who are the guys who can play MLB?
Hull
Lee
Colasanti
Outside there are.
Bowman
Yanich
Lee
Stupar?
Who am i missing
by SweepTheLeg on Aug 17, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zordich in the middle...Bani on the outside as well.
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by QBsneak12 on Aug 17, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget about Mau.....oh Zug
well I suppose now I can move onto step 2: Hurt & Anger.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 17, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to see this happen.
In the long run this will only make him better. If he does what Lee did last year and coach and try and learn more and study films and stuff. The good news is we are not hurting at LB. The bad news is he was a very good player. I wish him the best in recovery and will be missed this year on the field.
by jetskijoe on Aug 17, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he's done for the year...
Mauti still has a redshirt season and three more seasons of eligibility. Think about it, if he can get back to his old form, we’ll need him to step up NEXT season since Lee (and most probably Bowman) will be gone.
by smashtheguitar on Aug 17, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mah Boy Stupar is looking good right now
I know Mauti had received better acolades during spring/summer workouts, but I am absolutely a Stupar fan. Dude blew up so many ST plays last year I can’t wait for him to transition to starting LB.
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by millzners on Aug 17, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
By far
the best part of ST last year. And this line is awesome:
Stupar didn’t realize initially he blocked the punt. He felt pain in his left forearm and thought it may have been broken until he saw the ball rolling around.
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by Kevin HD on Aug 17, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so blocking a punt feels like breaking your arm?
fun times
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 17, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Where do I sign up?
Mike
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by BSD on Aug 17, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! I got on the Stupar bandwagon first!
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupar
I think we might move Lee to the middle and have Bowman and Stupar on the outside. They were already considering the move for Lee and Stupar was pushing for time anyway, so to me this seems like a likely lineup. Of course there’s also the option of Lee Hull Bowman, so we’ll see
by WPIALkid22 on Aug 17, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupar
I like the kid, but your opening day starting rotation will be Bowman, Hull, and Lee with Hull in the middle.
We all know Joe is loyal to his seniors. Hull was the starting linebacker last year. He’s going to have the job again this year to start with. Joe isn’t going to take it away from him because a sophomore looked better in summer agility drills.
Stupar may be able to win the job from him as the season goes, but he’s going to have to take it away through his play on the field. Until he does, the starting spot belongs to Hull.
Mike
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by BSD on Aug 17, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm ok with that.
Hull should get it. He did start last year and now has a year under his belt. I want to see what he can do. I think it would be a lot easier putting him in there to start then to put in Stupar. After 1 or 2 games then we will see. It’s not like the line-up on opening day is set in stone.
by jetskijoe on Aug 17, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hull starting
I was going to say that at least at the beginning of the season that it’ll be Hull’s job because of the loyalty to seniors. I do like that loyalty, because they’ve put the most into the program, with their countless hours of film study, lifting, practicing, traveling, and games, but how many times are we going to hear “I should’ve played him earlier/given him more snaps” in the offseason
by WPIALkid22 on Aug 17, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hull
Hull will open the season at MLB…no doubt. Stupar can challenge for it, but the first 3 games aren’t exactly against tough teams, so i don’t expect Hull to struggle. It is game 4 that we have to worry about. We can’t afford mistakes against an Iowa team thaat we OWE big time.
Stupar will be a backup, unless someone gets injured (knocking on wood)
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by QBsneak12 on Aug 17, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a problem with Hull starting but this is bigtime football, just put the BEST players out there.
If he is best option, fine…if not that blows
by SweepTheLeg on Aug 17, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That got me thinking now
If Stupar is going to be starting at all this year, he better make an insane push now. Here’s why, if they’re set at Hull at the middle, then Lee is going to stay on the outside, and I’m not sure they’d be willing to move him to the middle a couple games into the season (if Stupar is looking better than Hull) and have him learn a whole bunch of different assignments and reads. I know they’re pretty set with Stupar playing outside, and he is definitely more suited for the outside with his speed, athleticism and aggresion so the chances of him moving inside is unlikely.
by WPIALkid22 on Aug 17, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the coaches said he could play any LB position
but wouldn’t Lee be starting at MLB? Or does someone have some info I don’t.
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ACL injuries
I suffered one a few years ago (anyone else?) and went to Penn State Hershey for the surgery and rehab. They told me there really isn’t any evidence to as to why these injuries occur, at least the non-contact ones.
There are some exericises to help prevent it, but still. Even the big bionic knee-braces these guys wear have actually been disproven to prevent ACL injuries. My doctor said go ahead and wear one if it gives you peace of mind, but it won’t prevent it from happening again.
by jonbeav on Aug 17, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Although it would have been nice to see Mauti on the field...
I like the idea of Hull in there now. If you put Stupar on the outside, then you have to move Lee inside. And, although Lee would, likely, handle the switch, I’m sure there woud be some growing pains – look at Pozluszny’s first few games in the middle.
So you’d have Lee, who would be somewhat green, in the middle and Stupar, a first year starter on the outside. Although you may not have teh same level of talent on teh field, at least there’s some experience with Hull. Had Mauti been able to steal that middle lb spot as the season went on, that would have been one thing. But, as it stands, I think Hull is the best option inside.
by Spats on Aug 17, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And really
Hull will be flanked by Bowman and Lee to clean things up. We could put Joe Paterno in the middle and still have the best group of linebackers in the Big Ten.
Mike
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by BSD on Aug 17, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad he ran out of eligibility in 1913.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 17, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe's old?
Pssshh…barely.
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by Cpiritual27 on Aug 17, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do I remember Josh Hull completely sucking in the Illinois game for some reason? maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t feel comfortable with him in the middle.. on the other hand, he had improved massively by the USC game.. we’ll see..
by AlmostAYardShy on Aug 17, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You remember Josh Hull sucking in the Illinois game because he did suck in the Illinois game.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"He had improved massively by the USC game"
And that should be the thing that calms yours and everyone else’s fears of him playing or even starting at LB. He’s got a year of experience, and while he’ll probably never top Sean Lee, Bowman, Poz, or Connor, he has undoubtedly improved over his season of starting experience, which he will bring with him this year.
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm comfortable
with a more experienced and probably improved Hull in the middle between Bowman and Lee.
Although, I guess I was hoping that “coach” Lee would be calling the defensive plays.
by confirmy on Aug 18, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any word on Bani this preseason? Or yanich?
by SweepTheLeg on Aug 18, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gbadyu
I saw him mentioned somewhere in the last couple of days as potentially being used in the stand-up DE role.
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by leeharvey418 on Aug 19, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last chart I read
Post-Mauti injury, has Bani backing up Lavorro and Yancich behind him at the Friz. Earlier this summer, I read Yancich was battling nicely with Stupar at Fritz for 2nd string there (when they hadn’t yet decided on Lee or Mauti at Sam). Now with Mauti out, Lee is more solidified at Sam, with Stupar switched to back him up there and Bowman is more solidified as Fritz, with Bani switched to back him up there. I think they only briefly toyed with Bani at the Hayes/Latham standup DE and he is now firmly battling Yancich for backup Fritz. If Bani hasn’t tightened up his lane discipline, I wouldn’t be surprised if Yancich steals some of that time.
All that said, I also won’t be surprised if they experiment the phuque out of all sorts of front seven arrangements. Throw in Zordich & Ditto (assuming Colasanti does indeed redshirt), and there’s 8 dudes just at three LB spots. And that’s before they even find out what Hayes ends up being capable of; who knows what kind of alignments they’ll try if he shows signs of a former self (I’m betting/hoping he will).
If I’m getting this excited about the possiblities, imagine what Scrap and Vandy are thinking.
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by jtothep on Aug 19, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any update?
On the MRI since this original post?
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by The Man with One Black Shoe on Aug 19, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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