PSU apparently "in the middle now" with Sharrif Floyd
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 18, 2009 1:39 AM EDT
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Printell apparently Urban Meyer's douche-tastic recruiting techniques have worked somewhat with 5-star DT, Sharrif Floyd. He said this when asked about PSU:
"They are in the middle now I would say, but I expect them to be in there," he said. "I need to talk to Larry Johnson first. A lot of things have been happening off the field there in recent years and as they keep happening I lose a bit of interest, but they’re certainly not off my list, just down a bit."
While I'm sure these top kids are coached to remain completely neutral in who they are leaning towards, Floyd does say:
"I’ll go anyplace, it doesn’t matter as long as it’s a fit for me. But I want to make it clear I don’t have a leader, I am keeping things open and I’m not close to making a decision."
At least we're actually still in the mix with him, and not off his list, although clearly we've taken a hit thanks to the wonderfully respectfu tactics of Florida recruiting. Is there a glimmer of hope in all of this? Hard to find, but for me it's the beginning line of the second half of his quote: "I need to talk to Larry Johnson first."
I don't know what to think with Floyd anymore, I think we had a really great shot with him, but now I'm not so sure. Part of me almost wants LJ Sr. to have a list ready of Florida's less than stellar legal record to counter what Urban poisoned Floyd with, but I also don't think that's our style of recruiting, nor would I really want us to resort to crapping on the images of other programs (not that Florida isn't already a Jackson Pollack painting of crap in the image department) like other schools have done to us based on a few bad incidents from the past that have been handled already (not to mention the "Joe Paterno is old and will be dead or retiring soon, you don't want to go to PSU" argument).
Sometimes I seem to lose sight of how creepy and dirty a business recruiting can be (especially with the great recruits we've gotten this year). Stories like the one with Floyd kind of snap that back to reality pretty quickly.
You can read the full article here from Yahoo sports: http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=rivals-313489&prov=rivals&type=lgns
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My thoughts
It would be great to get Floyd but I don’t think we need to lower ourselves to the SEC recruiting level in order to get great DL talent. If Floyd’s not objective enough to see that Florida has had off the field problems themselves then it sounds like he’s made up his mind. Kids getting into trouble has nothing do with the staff or the school, it’s a personal decision. If a kid wants to get into trouble he can do it in Gainesville or State College. If Floyd is worried about getting into trouble off the field then he needs to look in the mirror rather than Centre County.
When I woke up
I had a strange feeling I’d be going to BSD to hear bad news about Floyd. But luckily this isn’t as bad as I expected. Talking to LJ Sr. is definitely a ray of hope.
He just needs a hug
as grown men do. Then, it will be business as usual.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Aug 18, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think
the story I heard is Meyer using the dismissal of Baker and Taylor to his advantage. You have to understand that the way this is going to be spun by the likes of Meyer is “look at what happened with their last big-time DT recruit, he got into a little scuffle that he didn’t even start and was kicked off the team for it, now he’s an undrafted free agent in the NFL instead of a top pick like our guys have been”
We can’t beat up our program or our recruiting when we miss on kids who just want to continue being coddled in college. Many of these kids are treated like celebrities in highschool, can show up to practice late, get into trouble all the time, and everyone looks the other way. Then they look around at schools and places like Florida will continue to coddle them. Look at Percy Harvin as an example, dude failed a drug test before the draft and then showed up to team training camp a few days late. At Florida that stuff was swept under the rug, just like it was for Havin in highschool.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
well, if he dropped PSU based on us disciplining guys
then I honestly wouldn’t want him. If he dropped us because of the “rash of problems” we’ve had, then I just want LJ Sr to go and say, “look, I don’t normally bash on another program, but since players getting into trouble is obviously a concern for you, I feel obligated to let you know that Florida is actually worse off than us. * show Florida’s rap sheet * Now I understand if you don’t come to Penn State for those reasons, but if that is the case, then you should really be taking a closer look at the going ons at Florida, as well”
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 18, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm mistaken...
but I’m pretty sure that if Meyer did mention a specific school other than Floreda when talking to a recruit, it’s a violation of NCAA recruiting rules. LJ Sr. doing the same thing might be fair, but it would be just as much of a violation.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 18, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why I included my point above
I don’t want us to have to resort to being tattle tales for other peoples problems. It’s just not the PSU way of recruiting. If Floyd is going to fall for this BS, let LJ Sr. do his best to convince him that we’ve handled every discipline problem we’ve faced, even if it means dismissing talented players. Let another school trash Florida for us so he realizes he’s been tricked into thinking something that is blown out of proportion.
That being said, if it were me, I probably would print out the laundry list of problems Florida has had to convince this kid that he hasn’t been told the entire truth. Then I wouldn’t just say, “come to PSU” like I’m sure Florida did after they trashed us, I’d say, “Now that I’ve explained what really happened, I’d like you to judge our program based on our emphasis on education standards for excellence.”
what I'd really like to do
is get some nice black pots and mail them down to Meyer.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 18, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This has been a little too much with Floyd
The kid is 17 years old, young and impressionable. Let’s just see what happens in the end, LOI day is still six months away. We have two great DTs in Jones and Hailes, Floyd would be great to add but he is not a necessity. We have an outstanding class, we picked up RB/WR/QB/OL/LB blue chippers. I am sure Shariff is a great kid, LJ will talk to him about things, so lets just hope he makes the right decision
by GoingDeep on Aug 18, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think anyone's overly angry with Floyd at all (at least I know I'm not)
Obviously I hope he gives us a shot and joins the team, but it is his decision. I think the outrage most of us are expressing is that this kind of trash came from another program (a two time NC winner no less) who had to resort to crapping our image to get this kid to knock us down a few rungs on his leaderboard in an effort to get the kid to commit to them. It’s shameful, and appalling (although not surprising something like this came from Meyer) to go to this level in recruiting when you’re a national power (especially when their program’s crime record is worse than ours). I have no ill will towards Floyd. Young and impressionable yes, so it’s understandable he’d fall for something like this, but it’s not his fault he was spoonfed a load crap to influence his decision.
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 19, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I am not blaming Shariff
for anything, it is just the chatter has been so overwhelming on some of the other boards (mainly scout boards) that its teetering on too much. I agree it is shameful that the national champs have to feel so threatened by our recruiting presence that they have to resort to these distasteful tactics.
by GoingDeep on Aug 19, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't mean you, I thought you were talking about us quite frankly
It’s hard to read message boards like Scout and Rivals for me, they end up turning into online shouting matches over the stupidest things. I’ve looked at posts with a number of comments thinking, “I wonder if anyone has any insight into [whatever topic]”, only to find out that 3/4 of the comments have absolutely nothing to do with the subject, its just an argument that has absolutely no helpful information whatsoever.
Yeah I appreciate the fact
that BSD conversations do not turn into shouting matches and pissing contests. We can have actual conversations discussing football. I also enjoy the bacon/Zug worship.
by GoingDeep on Aug 19, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
"3/4 of the comments have absolutely nothing to do with the subject"
I thought you were talking about BSD with that line.
Cue tangent……. now.
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
Now?
Did you not see the jorts tangent all of 5 posts down?
On a related topic, is there anything wrong with being addicted to “The Princess Bride”?
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Someone addicted to The Princess Bride...
inconceivable.
by Screen Name 20 on Aug 20, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
um..it can happen
there is nothing wrong being addicted to The Princess Bride! it’s got Fred Savage, Columbo, Andrea the freakin’ Giant!! and R.O.U.S.’s!! what else does this movie need? LOL
We Are...
I was trying to pull a Sicilian from the movie...
but I failed in my delivery.
by Screen Name 20 on Aug 21, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
You don't look so good.
You don’t smell so good, either.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 20, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
For a second there I was
thinking you said “The Princess Diaries”. Man card revoked.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
"Dear Sharrif
Do you like randomly shooting AK47s into the sky? If so, you’ll love Florida!
Signed,
Urban"
Anyway…
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
punching with an AK47
you’re doing it wrong
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 19, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
someone please explain this to me?
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
cpm126 said "you beat me to the AK47 punch"
JNitt made a joke that it sounds like he meant the AK47 was punching, which is the “wrong” way to use an assault rifle, or at least not it’s intended purpose.
no no, i understood the thing about using an AK47 wrong
even though there’s no right way to use Andrei Kirilenko (kidding)
i don’t know the story behind WHY the AK47 is even here though.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
i just suck at replying to the right comments.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
Maybe
It’s the residue of wax that remains on your typing fingers?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
entirely possible.
i’m a busy, waxy man.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
A Florida player
was arrested for taking an AK-47 out of his trunk and firing it off into the air. You know, those “classy” types of offenses, not those dastardly underage drinking and open container violations that PSU tends to rack up. Oh yeah, and those pesky drunken brawls from a few years back.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 24, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You're forgetting
Tim Tebow covereth a multitude of sins. Meyer can reply to any reference of bad behavior, “Yes, but we have Tebow.” And all is forgiven, if not forgotten.
by NittanyCougar on Aug 19, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you love Jorts and Natty Lite? If so, you're a Gator baby!
by RNF18 on Aug 19, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
My gawd
this pic is atrocious. It’s the human equivalent of the STB pic. I’ll bet if Zug ever took a sh*t in Gainesville, his pooh wouldn’t look this bad.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
is it bad
that I have in the past worn jorts (though not cut-offs), I’ve drank Natty Light (but definitely don’t prefer it), and at one point in time (as a joke) I’ve had the exact same facial hair (without the soul patch) as the guy in the orange shirt?
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 19, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
depends on the circumstances surrounding said past
if it were for halloween? a theme party? or a pledging/hazing activity? then us, the above is not bad.
however…if it were just for your own amusement? then yes. very very bad.
We Are...
Good Sir,
There is nothing wrong with jorts, last year for my fraternity’s tailgate I decided to cut a pair of my jeans into jorts, shave my beard into a handlebar mustache, rock a cut off flannel shirt, and wear a cowboy hat; I must say it was liberating. Also our beer of choice is Beast Ice (Milwaukee Best Ice), which is a couple rungs higher on the gross/cheap/awesome scale.
by GoingDeep on Aug 19, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
/chuckling at 'liberating'
Beast Ice has a nice high apv too!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Yea Man Beast is
6.9% alcohol and it is the best bang for your buck when 30’s are concerned. Back at PENN STATE and its amazing, this is best school on the planet.
by GoingDeep on Aug 20, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks for the nightmares
beast ice…blech…i couldn’t wait til i turned 21 so i could stop going to frat parties and being forced fed beast ice!!
We Are...
You could have always
taken your chances with the punch.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I don’t have a problem with jorts. I draw the line at cutoff jorts.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Aug 19, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Whenever I see this picture the first horrible though that pops up in my head is
Selective involuntary human sterilization: good Idea or greatest Idea?
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 19, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think a 12 yr old girl
could take the woodshed to the guy on the right.
The dude on the left – well, you’re in Florida son – get out in the sun a little bit – Vitamin D is good for ya.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
The dude on the left – his shorts are cut a little too short. Kinda gives me the creeps.
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
there are about 20 other things about him that give me the creeps
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
Just for fun
Can you give us a few of those 20?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
The mullet comes a close second to the Danny Dukes
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
How about the fact that they seem to be tailgating under an exit ramp?
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 21, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll throw in ...
Snaggletoothed smile
Bama Bangs
Livestrong jelly bracelet
Woven(?) belt/Giant Buckle
Jellyfish Physique
Limpwristed Drinking Style
Headlock move on 12pack
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
First of all, this poor guy. I mean, all he wanted to do was go watch his favorite team play. Now, his photo is all over the internets, popping up in videos, etc. So, I stated to make a list. Here are a few. I don’t want to be the mean bee-otch. He is probably a very nice person.
1. you KNOW he is wearing tube socks. probably with a blue or orange ring. Maybe with sandals.
2, Where is a cooler or some sort of way to carry that awful beer? The only thing that would make NL somewhat palatable is making it very cold. They are in FL. With warm, bad, beer.
3. That belt appears to have studs? (shiver)
4. Guys, that style of tank top is a poor fashion choice for most men. Poz could pull it off though
I am stopping before Karma kicks my ass.
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
I am stopping before Karma kicks my ass.
Oh my Zug! Three of your teeth just fell out!
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps Floyd's concern
is that he already knows that
A lot of things have been happening off the field there in recent yearsis all stuff that he knows he probably would do as well. If he needs reassurance that he can do whatever he wants and won’t get kicked off the team, Florida might be a good choice for him. He might want to give FSU a look, too.
"the secret to loving your job is having a hobby that you really despise"
What concerns me is...
The recent national media attention we have gotten the past few years. “A lot of things have been happening off the field there in recent years and as they keep happening I lose a bit of interest.”
Every college has issues like this every year, we just got spotlighted because we were supposed to be a pristine program. Do you know how many issues I hear about here in SEC country that never get outside the local town sherrif’s office. This isn’t an issue of our program losing control, it’s about our program being a hot topic for it because if Penn State has these types of problems – what is the world coming too.
We need to make a site, or blog or something, a little more extensive than the fulmer cup that catalogs off field issues for every team in major college football. All these programs have issues – we’re just the current poster child.
From now on, any news I hear about down here will be posted to some extent, but I’d love to have a place we can direct recruits, as fans, to go and judge for themselves just how non-horrible Penn State’s issues are when compared to the country.
Anyone interested in doing this, we’ll need sources from all over for info. I’m tired of hearing how Penn State is losing control.
the biggest problem with the Fulmer Cup
is that a team/town that hides the bad behavior of their students/athletes won’t look nearly as bad as they should, but it is impossible to know about everything happening at every school (even Penn State). Heck, there could be programs out there that should have every kid behind bars, but the local cops/DA are huge fans and lack ethics, but we would never know about it. There could also be a school that just never disciplines their kids, while at the same time, a school that is pro-active at disciplining their kids will look like they have more problems, when the opposite may be true.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 19, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And some of those towns probably don't have D-bag DA's
that will relentlessly pursue the high profile football player cases, until the charges are eventually dropped or lessened by the Judge because there’s no evidence against some of them. How much publicity did the Austin Scott case get on ESPN? Does anyone remember them making it front page news when he was acquitted and had whatever potential career he may have had scarred for the rest of his life? (I don’t remember watching ESPN around the time this happened, so I really don’t know)
Not that I advocate our DAs waive charges or be lenient against football players who commit crimes, but this emphasizes the need to get out of office in the fall. The football program has gotten way too much publicity because a ton of the cases against the players are filed as felonies by Madeira, only to have them downgraded to misdemeanors or have all charges dropped when he can’t produce enough evidence for a felony conviction, but which half of those stories do you think gets the most attention: potential felony or downgraded charges because the DA is an ass?
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