Glass Bottles Banned From PSU Tailgates; Smokers Shut Out
by Run Up The Score on Aug 24, 2009 11:50 AM EDT
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Two new policies for this season:
New for 2009, glass bottles are not allowed in any of the grass parking lots at Penn State. Not only is broken glass difficult to clean up in grassy areas, it also provides a significant safety hazard to the children and others who play in these lots on game day, students who use the fields for intramural sports and the animals who use these areas as pastoral lands at other times.Fans are also reminded that the consumption of alcohol during the game at tailgates in the lots around Beaver Stadium is no longer permitted, a policy enacted in 2006. Alcohol is not permitted inside Beaver Stadium at any time.
Frankly, this should've been done a long time ago. Many Penn State fans have proven themselves to be completely incapable of cleaning up after themselves (especially out in the grass fields), and as the press release says, a lot of those fields are used for other purposes including IM sports, Blue Band practices, etc. Not to mention people who just want to drive home on four fully inflated tires.
I'd really like to see Penn State handing out 60-gallon trash bags to tailgaters, as well. Put a Waste Management logo on them and pass them out as the cars roll into the parking lots. Simple.
The other new policy is the latest Crime Of The Century against smokers:
Additionally, in accordance with Pennsylvania law, smoking is no longer permitted inside the perimeter fence of Beaver Stadium. The law, the Clean Indoor Air Act (CIAA), enacted in 2008, names the Department of Health as the Commonwealth agency responsible for implementing the regulations through education and enforcement.
Penn State began stepping up education of the law at Blue White Weekend in April. Increased signage, stadium announcements and staff will remind patrons of the law. Violators could be subject to removal from the stadium, and possible loss of ticket privileges.
Anyone wishing to smoke during the game outside of the stadium is reminded that no re-entry is allowed for any reason.
There's a middle ground here if Penn State really wanted to accomodate the smokers (which they don't, and that's fine) who are undoubtedly going to whine about this. Cordon off a tiny area just outside of the stadium for smoking and allow those individuals to re-enter the stadium with their ticket stub. Doesn't seem like a particularly difficult thing to do, but it would require a certain amount of security/staffing to re-admit people to the stadium. Regardless, ain't gonna happen.
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Is that RUTS Jr.?
So that wedding was a shotgun?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Fine with both policies.
I don’t tailgate in the grass, and I don’t smoke.
They do come around and hand out trash bags for recycling in our section, and one of the dumpsters has rolls of bags attached. People are just idiots. I like the idea to hand them out while you’re driving into the lot, too.
Unless people start to act like civilized beings, PSU will eventually do away with tailgating as we know it.
by Tailgate Shogun on Aug 24, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
Asked and answered, your honor.
I actually threw a few questions up to one of the folks who issued the press release and got a lot of really good answers. I’m not going to quote the entire thing out of courtesy to the guy, but here are the basics:
1. This applies to all glass. Beer, soda, alcohol, etc. It’s not an anti-alcohol policy.
2. Direct quote: “Enforcement does not mean immediately slapping someone with a fine.”
3. If you’re asked to get throw away the glass stuff and refuse, the police can ask you to leave University property. If you don’t leave, you can be subject to a summary trespass citation (which carries a maximum fine of $300).
4. Another direct quote: “Police will expect immediate compliance.”
Now, this is me editorializing: Basically, the only way you’re going to run into a problem is if you’re a huge jackass about doing what the police ask. I asked about the keg policy (no talk of re-visiting the issue right now). They are working to increase the number and availability of trash bags and receptacles (both are big problems — by gametime, nearly every giant trash can around the stadium is overflowing. People want to use those things, so get more of them!)
Anyway, thanks to our friend at PSU for the responses. He was very complimentary of this site and my former RUTS site, so GOOD FOR HIM.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 25, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really believe the University? After all, someone was told by an NLC staffer than this would not be enforced in the reserved grass lots (even though animals graze there too).
by PennStateBasketball on Aug 25, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you accusing the the University of a Conspiracy?
…the Curley Special Task Force for Information Containment has been deployed, prepare to have your alumni points/season tickets revoked.
Of course it won't.
We know that this is semi-targeted to the bigger, younger tailgates, but I think it’s a good idea anyway. If large amounts of trash are inevitable, I’d rather they be cans or cups.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 25, 2009 6:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
right...
because so many people drink soda out of glass bottles.
Seriously, what at a tailgate, other than alcohol, is consumed in glass bottles? Sure there are pickle jars and the like (and have they confirmed if they’re enforcing it against non-beverage containers as well?)
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 27, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Pickle juice can be a beverage
I used to have a roommate who swore by it as a hangover cure.
He also thought it would be effective to use firearms against a tornado, so take his opinions with a grain of salt.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 27, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
well if I've learned nothing from Madden and the Eagles
Pickle juice is apparently good at preventing dehydration…or so he liked to tell me about 100 times during a game once (was it Dallas?)
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 27, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to once again bring this into a science tangent...but I will anyway
Pickle juice is high in salt, so would probably dehydrate you before the game when your sodium levels are normal, but replenish the salt in your body that that you lose when you sweat, much like gatorade, right? Or would it work better if you drank it before you sweat?
As for a hangover cure, I don’t know. The only sure way I know to avoid hangover is to stay hydrated the whole time you’re knocking some drinks back: one drink, one water. Alcohol does dehydrate you, which if I remember right is the medical reason as to why you get a hangover in the first place. I may be slightly off, that’s what I remember hearing.
I've never bothered to look into it
but I basically just assumed pickle juice acted like gatorade, replenishing the electrolytes in your body. I have no idea if it works as well or better, as I’d imagine if it really was that good it would be used more frequently (or perhaps it is avoided because of the taste?).
And yeah, as far as I know, hangovers are basically due to being dehydrated (at least it helps explain why water is the ultimate hangover cure. I try to down at least 2 glasses of water before going to bed)
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 28, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Well this sucks
Yeungling out of a can just isn’t the same.
My question is, does this just pertain to beer bottles? Or am I going to get a fine while I watch the cop walk away with my $28 bottle of Captain Morgan?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
You know,
Captain Morgan does come in a convenient 1.75 liter PETE bottle.
I want to know what this potentially means for all the people who have RVs with full bars, though.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Cute
But I seriously want need to know this. Are they seriously going to crack down on the retired veteran that just wants a little vodka in his Bloody Mary?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Especially when the bottle from whence came that vodka never leaves the guy's RV?
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
They’re masking this as a crackdown on litter, but I’m telling you it’s a ploy to take away hard liquor to sober up the crowd a bit.
In a few years they’ll be telling you the carbon dioxide from beer is causing global warming so we have to ban that too.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Not just liquor
I admit it… I’ve been known to drink wine at tailgates. There’s a lot more quality liquor available in PETE bottles than there is good wine available in boxes… and when’s the last time you heard of a wine-and-cheese tailgate crowd getting out of hand?
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
you can always transfer the wine to a plastic bottle before heading out
a pain, yes, but a solution if you NEED the wine
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 24, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Transfer the wine?
Are u serious? That may work with a $5 bottle of Paul Mason White Zinfendel. But that’s not how I roll. My $25 bottle of Kendal Jackson isn’t seeing a molecule of oxygen until I’m ready to drink the sucker.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
oh, I agree it sucks
but if it is wine that was transferred or no wine at all, well, choose your poison.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 24, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Banrock Station Shiraz out of a box
That’s my poison.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Bottles of Wine?
What are you, the Queen of England?
Franzia with ice. Five liters, $12. Rock.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
by jesse. on Aug 24, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
one of my favorite nights
was going back from a graduation party where the father rented a bus to transport everyone 1 hr to the party. There were a bunch of extra franzia boxes and we just took the bags out and passed them around the bus. I don’t remember much of the night, but I do recall running on beer pong, and convincing people to institute the “Keith van Horn for 3” rule (this was obviously when he was in Philly), where if you stook about a full table’s length back from the end of the table and hit a cup it counted for 3. We were also playing outside, so you had to account for the wind. I don’t know how or why (probably the “Drunken Master” effect), but I was able to hit them almost automatically.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 24, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
if I want to +1 or -1 your Keith van Horn reference…
So I’ll give both, meaning you remain at All Square for the thread.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
that's when I was always at my peak of pong excellence
when I was way too drunk to be playing
Not being able to smoke anywhere in the stadium for the whole game with no re-admission is just cruel. The non-smokers laugh at the smokers plight. haha funny
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Hey, if it gets some of them to quit smoking
Penn State is doing you smokers a favor in the long run.
I'm with jesse.
Until the ban plastic bags and cardboard boxes this won’t affect my wine drinking at all. And even then it’s not likely to have much of an impact.
Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.
Bag O' Wine, Bag O' Wine, Everybody's drinking from a Bag O' Wine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mvL6kVtQRs
They do wine drinkin’ right in Oklahoma.
Let me guess,
you mix a little sprite with it too. I see there are more than a few cheap dates around BSD. If you tell me it’s White Zinfandel coming out of those taps I swear I will point and laugh.
I like what I like and I’ve never drank a boxed wine and went back for seconds.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Franzia Crisp White
With Ice. Gets you through times with no money.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
and you could always buy a nitrogen glove box
or vacuum box, and transfer the wine inside there if you REALLY care that much ;-)
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 24, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't a vacuum box potentially make the wine boil?
just sayin’
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess your not drinking Night Train then Mike?
"A setback is just a set up for a comeback." -Drew Brees
this is how I roll at tailgates
I’ll drink whatever you put in front of me, but I never leave home for State College w/out at least one of these. Get a plastic wine glass and you’re in business and well within the boundary of this new law.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Good stuff?
I only ever tried Banrock out of a box because I knew it was good out of a bottle. I’m always a little wary of most boxed wines… one too many bad Franzia hangovers in college.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
this is how Bowman "rolls" at tailgates...
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State." - Chris Carter
Coulda been funny
But…
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
I'm going with Jtot on this one
And I think that Bowman is a thing of the past now. And unless he falters, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Nah.
And to the extent it is, it’s aimed at the students.
Like I said earlier, booze is the easiest thing to drink covertly. What’s the problem officer, all I have is a cooler full of diet pepsi.
What you might see though, is a no-alcohol policy in certain lots.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
Be interesting to see
what parking prices escalate to in the alcohol lots.
I blame Curley.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
You can always mix drinks in the back of the car
They can’t really say anything if they never see the bottle. It will be like when you were 14 again.
At the same time, Penn State as an institution has a history of going way overboard on enforcing stuff like this until there is significant backlash.
they really don't enforce though
unless you’re being stupid. it’s just like the “no drinking during the game rule”. they only enforce it for the rowdy people. those of us behaving just continue doing what we do.
We Are...
Derp
I get the glass bottle thing. Makes sense. A good number of tailgates have no desire to clean up after themselves (students and alumni), so I have no beef with banning glass bottles at tailgates. Beer cans are easier to fit in coolers, they crush for easy trash storage, and they are generally cheaper. I don’t know why anyone would buy bottles for a tailgate in the first place.
But banning smoking inside the stadium’s perimeter fence? Really? I’m not a smoker, never have been, and I’ve never had a problem with anybody smoking anywhere near me at a game. I’ve never even noticed any smoking going on. I don’t want to get all engineer-nerdy on this, but it’s an enormous, open-air space that allows the smoke to dissipate quickly so what’s the issue? The only possible issue I can imagine with smoking in the stadium is the litter from butts. Anybody care to enlighten me why the school is getting so overbearing on this?
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It's not the school
Like the article said- the policy is the state health department’s baby.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
But it’s the “Clean INDOOR Air Act”, so how does it somehow apply to an open-air stadium? A dome, maybe, but not the Beav.
Rational thought with policymakers seems to be a rarity anymore.
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Nobody ever said government policies made sense
It may say ‘indoor’, but it basically pertains to the area surrounding any occupied structure.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I just wish they’d go ahead and simply ban smoking outright. Just do it and get it over with. Quit nickle-and-diming smokers with a thousand new laws. A lot of the public wants it done on whatever basis, so just do it.
Like I said, I’m not a smoker, but if I can’t look at a piece of legislation like a lot of the anti-smoking acts and see some semblance of applied reason or logic, it just irks me. It’s only a matter of time before they come for my tequila and High Life.
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"some semblance of applied reason or logic" for banning smoking outside in Beaver Stadium *
It’s not worth risking my health – or anyone else’s – to spend over three hours at a game sucking in secondhand smoke hoping I don’t get cancer.
Unless you hold me down and force me to drink your tequila, it’s not quite the same thing.
- Smoking outside in beaver stadium was already banned, except for “at grade level outside of buildings at Beaver Stadium”.
Can we ban farting then? Because I don’t want to sit next to some guy that just slammed 5 bowls of tailgate chili and is putting out more methane than a landfill. It’s offending my olfactory sense and should be stopped. He’s infringing on my personal rights.
It’s all about the PPM, or parts per million. The stadium is open air, with usually a nice breeze. That smoke is dissipating really, really quickly. You aren’t going to get cancer from some guy 3 rows away smoking a Parliament every quarter. But ok, ban it in the seats and make the smokers leave their seat to take a puff. I don’t see how 5 seconds of walking past Parliament guy to get your footlong chili-cheese cholesterol dog is going to give you the cancer. Sometimes life is a little unpleasant because of other people. Sometimes people near you smoke. Sometimes people near you decide to fart. Deal with it.
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but when it's several THOUSAND guys smoking three rows away...
also, farts don’t negatively affect your health.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
"That smoke is dissipating really, really quickly."
Then I can’t smell it. If I can smell it, then you’re wrong.
Also, farting doesn’t cause cancer.
Seriously?
Farting doesn’t cause cancer? Then why does my wife insist I hold it in?
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Are you for serious?
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
you guys crack me up
i just burst out laughing in the middle of my office.
by MeetMeAtTheCorner on Aug 24, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because I can smell a fart doesn’t mean the guy took a dump under my nose.
I still see no reason to ban it completely from inside the stadium fence. Give the smokers some place to go and hotbox. I’d rather them have an option than have it banned entirely.
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Good luck finding the culprit to enforce the fart ban.
As they say, “he who smelt ’em (reported it) dealt ’em”.
When we were recruiting Terrell Pryor we always hoped he'd help us take down Ohio State... and he did!
Fox smells his own hole!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
As with all tailgating rules
This one will be enforced on a don’t be a dick basis. This tailgating rule, as with all tailgating rules, is geared towards being able to shut down huge parties without any explanation whatsoever. Not hassling normal tailgaters.
Mike, do what I do. Pewter Phyrst Mug. Can’t be broken, can’t be confused with anybody elses [unles your partying with me] and keep the booze under the seat.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
I guess so
Something had to be done. It’s getting out of hand with people just throwing their trash on the ground and leaving it there. But I think they could have done better to just crack down on those people with a “Tidy Tailgate” rule. Just pick up your trash and keep it organized. If the cop walks by a tailgate of five people and there are 20 beer cans and trash laying all over the place, these people are obviously not cleaning up after themselves and probably won’t bother doing it when they’re drunk and kickoff is in 20 minutes. So give those people the fine. Or better yet, give them a warning and tell them you’re coming back around in five minutes.
I just hate it when I see a policy targeted at a few bad apples at everyone else’s expense. The next step will be limiting the amount of alcohol you can bring on site. Then they will do away with it entirely. It’s a slippery slope, man. A slippery slope.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
I agree with your earlier comment about Yuengling in a can not being the same
so I wonder if they’ll crack down on people pouring beer from a bottle into a mug, and hten putting the bottle back in their car.
While I understand the no glass bottles rule, this is a significant kink in my tailgating plans. I agree that they should just fine people who are making a mess of things, and not just a broad ban on all glass bottles, especially since it is pretty hard to accidentally break a glass bottle by dropping it on grass.
I wonder what the fine is for drinking out of a paper bag ;-)
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 24, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at it as a trade off
You can trade your 12 ounce glass bottle for a pounder can, the increase in volume makes up for any gustatory loss.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
When Yuengling starts putting Porter in cans,
then I’ll get behind your idea. Until then, I’m going to bitch and cry just like everybody else.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Black and Tan cans...
Close enough?
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
You sadden me
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
(Hangs head in shame)
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Yuengling in a can is better
It has an oily taste in bottles that I dislike, I only buy it in cans.
Broken Glass on the IM Fields
was absolutely horrendous during football season. You literally did everything you could to NOT slide during softball or football just to avoid probably getting torn up from broken glass.
And smoking will kill you.
Good policies.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
Driving kills you too
And so can getting out of bed every morning. I think I’m just going to lay in bed and sleep all day. It’s the only way to ensure my safety.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
right, but do you need to smoke to get into work?
and driving CAN kill you, and getting out of bed, i guess, if junior has left his roller skate laying next to the bed, CAN kill you…
but you can drive safely and defensively, you can get out of bed safely (?), but can you smoke safely? no.
every possible outcome involved with smoking results in nearly irreversible harm done to your body. i say nearly, because i suppose you could have your teeth bleached.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
Do I need to smoke to get into work?
Now, not so much… but when I lived in Maryland and my commute was down 270 every morning, yes I did.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i pity you
that commute would be torture.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
Living in Maryland
Is bad enough.
But commuting down 270 each a.m.?
I’d rather be homeless.
You see why I smoked then, yes?
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we ban tanning?
UV radiation causes skin cancer, so everyone that sunbathes is essentially giving themselves cancer, much like a smoker. Can we protect people from themselves and regulate that?
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Is there such a thing as "secondhand tanning?"
No.
“I don’t care if you cut yourself, man, but don’t point your knife towards me.”
a-thank you
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
Yes
But his original point was that smoking kills the smoker, so it should be banned. I was showing the flaws in that argument.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
"his original point was that smoking kills the smoker"
I never said that at all. Way to beat up on a strawman.
ok, fine then
getting out of bed won’t kill anyone else. Driving according to the proper laws won’t kill anyone else, except in hazardous conditions, but even then there are laws against reckless driving that they can enforce (the speed limit is technically only the speed limit for optimum conditions, and you can get cited for driving under the speed limit but too fast for the current conditions. Heck, I had a friend cited for reckless driving for going too fast at 45 MPH in a 70 MPH zone when his wheel caught ice and he went off the road.)
Smoking, and the second hand smoke that comes with it (according to studies) can kill other people. As jtot said earlier, you can cut yourself all you’d like, just keep that knife away from me.
I agree that they should just set up a smokers area far far away from anyone else.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 24, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry for that.
My thread got messed up, and it looks like you, 06Lion, were responding to psuwxman.
Honestly, I like the idea of a hothouse/smoking lounge more because it moves much of the pre-game smoking from around the entrance gates to this unventilated room that I’ll likely never need to go near. Since it’s convenient for me, it’s obviously a solution which is inconvenient for smokers. (This would be easier to deal with if we could exit and reenter the stadium, but that’s another thread entirely.)
Plus
It’s super funny for nonsmokers to walk by and laugh at all the cancer addicts holed up in a smoky pen. They’re best when they’re glass so we can see in. I love seeing these in airports.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Like those smoking lounges in airports
I agree with the smoking pen arrangement. The area under the bleachers is not really open air, and I do truly dislike walking through a haze of smoke to use the bathroom or get food. I love those glass box smoking areas at airports…if I were a smoker and traveled a LOT, those alone would make me quit. And I’m not talking about the bars, I’m thinking of the ones I’ve seen that are just a glass box with seats.
I watched the first quarter of the PSU-FSU Orange Bowl...
…in the smoker’s lounge of Denver International Airport because my flight was delayed. I smelled like a campfire by the time I got on the plane.
(This was before I actually moved to Denver and was basically forced to quit smoking because the altitude made going up a flight up steps seem like a marathon.)
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 24, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
why....
Did you schedule a flight during the orange bowl??
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
Scheduled it weeks ahead of time.
Nobody know what bowl game PSU was going to be in at the time. The then-future Mrs. RUTS and I were living in Denver and Philly, respectively, so we were flying back and forth every two weeks. I probably booked that flight two months earlier.
(I was sad, too. Didn’t know the result of the game until we touched down in Philly and everyone went to their phones. Some guy shouted out, “they’re in overtime!” and two seconds later, another guy shouted, “we won!” That was my Orange Bowl. Kind of glad I missed Kelly’s missed FG’s.)
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 24, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that game is still going on
Oh man, that was a long one. So many missed kicks. I think it clocked in at four hours, fifty-seven minutes or something. That would have been complete agony if they lost.
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You had to see about a girl
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
So that's what that movie's about.
But mostly I just want to see how small this gets >>>
Want to see how small this gets?
that’s what she said…wait nevermind
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
I'm pretty sure this is the smallest
and from now on all replies just stay this size
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 25, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You sure?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Guess so
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Not on mine
Try the wide page view…
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 25, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
They have those glass boxes in Atlanta
and it is truly horrifying to me that people actually go sit in there.
We can’t smoke on our campus at work at all. You also get fined if you sit in your car and smoke. You have to drive off the campus or walk to the median in the street. It is also funny in the dead of a NJ winter to look out a window and see them huddled under umbrellas in the cold rain. I don’t know how they do it.
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
"You also get fined if you sit in your car and smoke".
I’m sorry, but these laws are asinine. WTF – the government subsidizes tobacco growers, gets delirious thinking about the tax revenue on butts, then makes people quasi-criminals for using it.
I’m not a daily smoker anymore, but there’s nothing wrong with keeping the ground-level smoking rule as is. If you think people smoking 50 feet from where you spend 10 seconds walking into the Beav is endangering you, take a closer look at what you’re doing the rest of your day.
Gimme the folks smoking inside the fence, and you can keep the nitwits that puke, fall in your lap trying to reach their seat, and generally make asses of themselves.
I’m always amused at the people that freak at smokers, then chest-thump about how much alcohol they consume. Sigh….
OK. Off the soapbox.
Anyone have a beer??
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Aug 24, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Have a beer brother!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Ahh, what the hell
Have a cig for old time’s sake as well!\
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Ahhhh.....thanks, JTOT
Now that’s refreshing.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Aug 25, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
"You also get fined if you sit in your car and smoke"
I think that is more corporate policy than anything else.
When I worked at GlaxoSmithKline they had similar rules…but I suppose they’d be somewhat hypocritical if they allowed smoking on campus while manufacturing products to help people quit smoking (they actually sold those kits to employees for something like 20% of what they retail for)
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 25, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ive often wondered this myself
and would be all for legislation that bans tanning to an unsightly/unattractive orange color.. just sayin
"Victory without honor is an unseasoned dish. It might fill you up, but it won't taste good" - Joe Paterno
by MilroyBoozer on Aug 24, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean like this?
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
ewwwww
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
I swear Brooke Hogan is a tranny
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
Not Hot
In any case….
I still got mad respect for Hulk tho.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Hell yeah brother..
thats the exact color I’m talking about
"Victory without honor is an unseasoned dish. It might fill you up, but it won't taste good" - Joe Paterno
by MilroyBoozer on Aug 24, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
in light of a recent post
i change my argument to “smoking kills everyone, even babies. so if you like to smoke, i guess you hate babies too.”
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
War widows can suck it too, as far as I'm concerned.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You can blame this on the keg ban.
I bet they failed to consider this when they came up with that stupid policy many years back.
by PennStateBasketball on Aug 24, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
They should really revisit that decision.
Nobody ever leaves a keg behind in the parking lot. That thing’s worth $10, minimum. And I would imagine that the freedom of being able to bring a keg to the stadium would cut down on liquor consumption (at least a little).
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 24, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Say what you want about Pitt
Tailgating with Kegs and Charcoal Grills is fun.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
Noted that the PA Propane Retailers are sponsoring this year's PS Football Story.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 24, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't long ago
In Philly where some guys with a charcoal grill set their RV on fire. Then the fire spread and took out another RV or two before they put it out.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
Be realistic
No way two RV’s ever show up to a Pitt game.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
by jesse. on Aug 24, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Zing!
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Or all the combustible material had already been burned...
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, it's got to be YOUR bull...
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously
…because you’d never get two RVs at one Pitt game.
Don’t worry- you’ll get there.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And to be even more realistic
It wasn’t their RV. It was their home.
by Mr. Rosewater on Aug 24, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
it's actually worth 30 bucks if you turn it into a beer distributor in state college now
just a little tip for those still in college who may live near a fraternity that throws their kegs out the back or leaves them laying around outside.
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
I was going to comment...
that it had been a few years since RUTS purchased a high volume alcohol distribution container. With the price of scrap metal some places have been charging up to a 40 dollar deposit.
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by NittanyAlum02 on Aug 24, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Now I'm trying to think of the last time I bought a keg.
And it’s bordering on six or seven years, unless my brother or Tailgate Shogun can correct me.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 24, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
What am I, your accountant?
When you lived on Militia Hill, I guess. Was that…..6 years ago? More?
by Tailgate Shogun on Aug 24, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Yes you are.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 24, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Kegs
Agree with the idea of bringing back kegs. Doesn’t affect me either way (I don’t really tailgate, preferring to hang out at the bars downtown pre-game) but it makes a lot of sense.
I am sorry...
but the sheer absurdity of this comment both confuses and astounds me. If there were a way to give you a negative rec I would have to. Tailgating is a quintessential aspect of the PSU football experience that I think you are really missing out on.
So I am not confused, you sit in the G-Man or Lion’s Den or (insert bar here) all morning drinking and then walk up to the game? Or you just don’t go to the game so you watch it at the bar?
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by NittanyAlum02 on Aug 24, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really don’t like drinking during the day and prefer to be sober during a game, so I typically just have a beer (or maybe two depending on kickoff time) while watching earlier games on TV in a bar. If it’s a noon game, I won’t even think about touching alcohol ahead of time. Of course I go to the games — I have season tickets FWIW.
Honestly, I’ve never gotten into the concept of mixing drinking and watching sports. I like to be fully focused on the game at hand. I like drinking — getting shitfaced is for afterward.
I tailgate from time to time at PSU, but moreso for the eating aspect than drinking. A huge part of my fun in going up to Happy Valley is spending time in State College and enjoying the town, not just sitting on a field next to the stadium, so I tend to concentrate my available time downtown. To each their own though.
I mostly agree
but I still drink, as it takes quite a lot to get me drunk, and usually whatever buzz I have has worn off by gametime.
I definitely don’t like being plastered during a game, as I paid money for a ticket to enjoy a game, not get drunk and not realize what’s going on.
Mostly, though, I hate having to go to the bathroom numerous times after a long day of drinking, and missing even more of the game.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 25, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Mostly, though, I hate having to go to the bathroom numerous times after a long day of drinking, and missing even more of the game
You sure? You never know what you might run into there.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Aug 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well played, sir.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 25, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess that's the difference...
I don’t view tailgaiting as just another chance to get plastered. Tailgaiting has always been a chance to spend some quality time with friends that now I see almost exclusively on football weekends as we’ve spread out far and wide. Its about setting up the grill and making eggs and sausage for a noon start and throwing the football around surrounded by a sea of blue and white. My confusion was your bar comment. Tailgating is just such an experience at Penn State when you referenced sitting in a bar instead I didn’t understand.
You are correct though, to each his/her own. It just sounded like you were missing out on one of my favorite parts of the experience.
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by NittanyAlum02 on Aug 25, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I do go up to State College with friends and hang out — but that typically involves going to the bars or restaurants downtown or just walking around in town or on campus. I love going to the Creamery and I hang out at the HUB and I visit the Lion shrine etc. If there’s other sporting events going on (like volleyball), I make an effort to see them while I’m upt here. And if I’m spending the weekend, I’m almost certainly going to be sleeping in from Friday night drinking and won’t want to get up early to go to the stadium to set up a tailgate (I’m a night owl anyway, so I’m typically up to 2am or later on Fridays). I guess I don’t see tailgating as the only way to reconnect with folks and in my experience it would be more of a pain to pack up tailgating stuff to go up to State College than to spend my time there doing less work intensive things. Again YMMV. I do go to tailgates for some games, but it’s always someone elses so it’s less effort on my part (and is virtually always 3:30pm or later games or after games if they are noon).
Actually, it’s kind of funny that you mentioned throwing around a football because one of the things that me and my buddies enjoy doing is going to the HUB lawn and tossing around a football or frisbee.
I dunno. I guess my prospective is that it’s a beautiful campus and town and I don’t want to spend my limited time visiting there on a field next to the stadium. But again, to each there own.
Fair enough
Very few things can be said to dissuade my love of drinking in a field though! :o)
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by NittanyAlum02 on Aug 26, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Too Bad
The Smoking Ban wasn’t put in place years ago, the only thing Dad liked better than smoking was Penn State Football.
I'll agree on the smoking ban
I was sitting in the 2008 BW Game when a kid in front of me lit up right there in the stands. Everyone around us gave him dirty looks until I was the one that spoke up and told him to put it out. I remember when they outlawed smoking in the stands and everyone ran to the concourse at halftime to light up. You had to put a hanky over your face to breathe, but your eyes still burnt from all the smoke under the stands. I’m a guy that doesn’t mind smokey bars, but that was insane. The smoking ban is long overdue.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
agreed
but also feel that they should arrange a smokers pavilion or something, since an addict is gonna smoke anyway (I was at a movie once where one couple literally snuck out the emergency exit at least once every 15 minutes, while propping it open and letting light into the whole theater ruining the experience for everyone else), so might as well arrange it so they can smoke without disturbing non-smokers.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 24, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think this is going to be an issue
in the RV lots. Mostly up there it is older alumni who take care of their trash and are responsible. Rarely do you see any police up there anyway to enforce anything. But I know we’re bring extra cups just in case.
This is probably just going to be enforced in the lower lots that have mainly students tailgating.
I also think this has a lot to do w/ the “No 1 Party School ranking”
We Are...
Then why make it a blanket ban on bottles?
It’s like Mike said up above- if they’re really concerned about litter, then start handing out tickets for littering… don’t make asinine policies that invite half-assed enforcement.
…and I agree that this was likely inspired by the No. 1 ranking.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm telling you
There are alterior motives here. This isn’t about broken glass in the grass. This is about taking a step closer to sobering up the fanbase.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
baloney
Its entirely about trash.
You can’t buy glass bottles at any sporting event anymore, but you can still buy beer. They’re not trying to sober you up, they’re trying to keep you—and everyone else—safe by avoiding the chance that you get cut by glass.
Graham Cracker and Tim Curley, despite their many flaws, aren’t sitting in old main laughing devilishly and thinking of ways to kill our fun. Rather, they’re trying to find ways to stop kids from getting cut when they play IM sports.
The no glass bottles rule is a fairly standard tailgating restriction, and I don’t think this is any thing other than a good faith effort to limit everyone’s liberty a little bit to increase everyone’s safety a lot.
No one’s coming after your bottle of Old GrandDad that’s half finished and that you take home with you or put in a trash bag. They’re coming after the guy next to you’s 20 bottles of yuengling that end up on the grass at the end of the day.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
"Graham Cracker and Tim Curley, despite their many flaws, aren't sitting in old main laughing devilishly and thinking of ways to kill our fun"
you know, other than the no kegs rule…and the no drinking outside at tailgates during the game, and heck, the no kegs at fraternities.
While this may be a legitimate concern to getting rid of glass, then perhaps they should make a consession and allow kegs again. People are going to drink if they want to drink. Whether they drink out of a keg, out of a glass bottle, out of a plastic bottle, out of a can, or out of a bag, they’ll still drink til they’re drunk. What does a ban on kegs really accomplish, other than cost more $, and cause more litter of glass and metal (though likely less litter of plastic cups).
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 24, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
no kegs at frats has got to be the dumbest of the dumb rules
except for the classic distributors close at 8 on friday rule
The keg rule was probably supported by the distributors. How else are you gonna move 20 pallets of Hams every thursday night?
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
I'm willing to accept the press release on its face.
For now. There is a huge litter issue, and it’s entirely reasonable for the university to eliminate broken glass where cars / people / animals might have to travel. In that sense, it’s a liability issue that Penn State would like to avoid, if possible. Little kid falls down, cuts a major artery on a piece of broken glass, parents sue PSU. Would that work? Probably not, but who knows. (For further reference, see the Tailgate Shogun guide to PSU policy creation: 1. Make lots of money. 2. Don’t get sued.)
I don’t think you will find anybody getting harassed by police/security for wine bottles. If they are, I would assume that to be a situation where the officer is acting outside the intention of the policy. This isn’t about busting up 25+ year alumni tailgates. And as for liquor, as it’s been mentioned throughout this thread, just about every major brand of liquor has plastic bottles now.
As for sobering up the fanbase, I mean, I’m not going to deny that it’s a problem that needs to be addressed. I don’t think this policy really addresses that, though. People are going to get drunk just like always. Really, think of the people who get the most plastered at football games. They’re not picky about cans or bottles. And if this policy makes a few of those drunks throw empty cans across the parking lot instead of empty glass bottles, I’m all for it.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 24, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Accepting it on its face-
it just says ‘no glass’… no qualification for rowdy tailgates, what’s in the glass, whether the glass is in a vehicle, etc.
Maybe if they’d actually publish the guidelines that they give to the campus cops who are expected to enforce this, we could all form our opinions without wild speculation, but they won’t (and I don’t blame them, because it’s better from an enforcement perspective if everybody just abides by ‘no glass’).
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no.
I meant the part about making this rule because of the litter and safety issues.
Still, I will be utterly shocked if anyone over the age of 35 is inconvenienced because of this rule. They’ll never admit it in a press release, but this is about large groups of students or young alumni causing massive piles of glass.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 24, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeahbut...
the first time they’re ticketing a group of kids, and those kids can point to a bunch of bluehairs in the next row who aren’t being hassled for their Stoli in glass bottles that they’re using to mix their bloody marys, the whole thing will become unenforceable without ticketing said bluehairs, too.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Nonsense
No offense, but it’s childish to think that these rules will be enforced on an even basis.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
I'm not saying they will be enforced on an even basis
But there’s going to have to be some token ticketing of the few older tailgaters who are either ignorant of the policy or sloppy in how they handle it. Maybe I have too little faith in humanity, but I bet there will be a fairly large number of people who take the opinion that this rule doesn’t apply to them, and until you ticket a few of the really flagrant offenders, the policy can’t be enforced at all.
You don’t have to make the enforcement effort completely fair, you just have to make it look like it’s fair.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
What you are saying
assumes that there is some sort of clearinghouse of information that shows who is getting arrested. My guess is that if the cops show up at your tailgate it will be because you did something pretty stupid.
The rule is no glass bottles. That doesn’t mean that if you get caught with a glass bottle you are getting fined or anything else. It means you can’t have glass bottles out. My guess is near 100% of the time, plan A enforcement of this rule is get the glass in your car, borrow plastic cups from your neighbors.
If all your tailgate has to 20 cases of beer in glass bottles your screwed. If your bluehairs drinking bloodys out of plastic cups, you put the stoli in the back seat of your car.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
We park in the purple lot
in the 8,000 numbers. I can’t recall EVER seeing a cop there
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
Most of the group I tailgate
with are State Troopers, so I’m surrounded by cops the entire tailgate. This year we’ll be moving to a new spot because our area in the purple lot has been seized for Letterman and others VIPs.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I'll be happy if you're right
But let’s say that they are handing out tickets- you’re getting one, and you don’t have to try very hard to point out a ‘tame’ tailgate that does have glass… if the ticket is exclusively for having glass, they’re no less in the right than you, yet it’s hardly fair for you to get fined while they get a ‘put the glass in the vehicle and have a nice day’.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I really can't wait
Til I, myself, am a blue hair.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
I honestly believe that once you turn 50
the amount of laws that apply to you are reduced by at least 25%. I can still get hassled at a Penn State game. JoeFromBoalsburg on the other hand would have to just about walk down on the field and and yell at JoePa to get arrested.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
He should have done it last year at a press conference
We could have had a cane duel between the Joes.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I am.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Aug 24, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
+1.
Your wealth & age are inversely related to your chance of being bothered by the cops.
Students: Not large NLC donors. Likely to be in groups > 50 people. Okay to ticket at will.
Alums in grass: Depends on if they’re a large group or out of control. A few people with beer, fine.
Alums in reserved parking lots: Donate big $$$ to NLC. Cops will go get them beer in bottles if they so ask for it.
The sooner students learn that life isn’t fair the better.
by Tailgate Shogun on Aug 24, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
whether the glass is in a vehicle
Last time I checked the Consitution of the United States still applied in the Beaver Stadium parking lot. They can say no glass in your car, but short of a search warrant, they aren’t going to be enforceing their rule at jesse.’s tailgate.
Why hassle me and my bottle of rum, which while clearly there, is out of sight. While at the same time there is a tailgate with 200 kids, 160 of them are underage, with pounding music and a disco ball 200 yards away. Am I breaking the rule, depends on your interpretation, but it doesn’t matter because there are a literally 25,000 people around me that are easier to harass.
That’s the nice thing about getting older. Once you have sufficient brains to mind your own business, you find that generally people let you.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
pounding music and a disco ball
and stump
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
Which reminds me, I have to play Stump this year.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 24, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
hear hear!
Also on my agenda….
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
just don't injure your fingers
we need the RUTS to be typing capable
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 25, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
they may not be giving you a ticket
but I’m pretty sure they can tell you to take your car and its contents (whatever they may be) and get out of their lot. So while you may be in the legal right, you won’t be having very much fun.
But you are right, they likely won’t be harassing you unless you have a large group of college aged kids around you holding glass bottles.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 24, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not a blanket ban
you can still drink out of bottles on paved lots.
i sincerely doubt they are going to be hard nosed enforcing it. just the rowdy people.
We Are...
But it's not about drinking out of bottles-
The way the article states it, you can’t have bottles, period. …and of course they’re not going to ban bottles on paved lots- that’s where the lettermen tailgate.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Think of it this way...
They can’t control what’s in your car or RV. Only what you have outside of it. I’ve tailgated with a keg at Beaver Stadium as recently as Ohio State in 2005. Kept it coverd in the back of my Jeep. No problems whatsoever. So long as you keep the music down, and the crowd around your car 21, and limited to people you know, you’re fine.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
exactly
I do think that there will be some rather annoyed boosters in both the pink and purple lots.
How can it be about trash if it is not a lot/stadium wide ban. Remember to bring some extra $20 -$50s this year. I don’t think it is about trash – but if it is, it isn’t really – it’s about liability – a kid gets hurt, penn state says – oh no, we have a ban on glass (in the grass lots – where I think that maybe the powers should be worrying more about this razor sharp grass that is able to shatter glass bottles) – so then they’re sued more for a “foreseeable” thing than a “negligent” thing.
Of course, we all follow the rule of no canopies in the parking lots, right?
enforcement
because its hard to catch someone in the act of littering, so it would be very difficult to enforce that law. But its much simpler to enforce the non glass bottle law.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Here is another question
What if I’m grilling some burgers and I have a jar of pickles? Are they going to take my pickles away? I mean, they’re in a glass bottle.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
OH GOOD LORD
WHAT ABOUT GLASS CHIP DIP CONTAINTERS? SALSA! QUESO! FRENCH ONION!!!!
Anything in those cardboard/aluminum/whatever cans with the pop-top tastes like poo!!
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yet another fine example of how this policy is patently idiotic.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is why
If any cop tries to take away my Capt Morgans I’m going to insist we walk up and down the aisle confiscating every jar of salsa, mustard, pepper, and pickles we can find.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
but on a semi-related note
did you know they had holding cells in beaver stadium underneath the west stands?
"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"
Seriously though, Mike
PLCB sells Captain Morgan in PETE half-gallons. I recall at one point in the last year they got a metric crapload of them and put them on special for like $3 less than the glass bottles. They usually have fifths too, in case you don’t want to go for total inebriation.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
in case you don’t want to go for total inebriation.
I don’t understand this sentance.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
Let's say it's a noon game and you have to get home that night...
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not the point
I shouldn’t be at the mercy of the CM marketing team discontinuing the plastic bottles.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
You aren't allowed to drink in the tailgate lots of Ohio State.
Just sayin’. I’m not sold on the End of Fun just yet, and glass all over those fields sucks for the people who want to use them for things other than drinking (not that there is anything wrong with using them for drinking).
Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.
I also think that OSU's rules are the total suck
notice how they don’t typically get ranked like PSU in the “best places to tailgate” ratings, either.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 24, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
So you can't drink...
but you can still smoke all the crack you can find laying about on the ground, right?
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure you can smoke crack,
and drink too. I just said you weren’t allowed to drink, everyone still does.
This doesn’t worry me, and cans are easier to shotgun anyway.
Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.
Sure you can smoke crack
Just not out of a glass pipe.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Aug 24, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is this new?
I drank in the streets surrounding Ohio State a few years back, did they change things?
Have no idea if it's new.
Where you drinking out of a can or a cup?
Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.
It looks like empty threats to me… maybe they’re putting it out there with the hopes that some will actually follow… i mean, how can they actually enforce this without having a crew dedicated to the project… they can’t have police officers lugging trash bags full of peoples glass bottles all day… so where’s the stuff gonna go? it’s seems like a good idea but unless they’ve assembled a glass bottle task force, this is just a shot in the dark…
i guess they can make you dump it out and put it your own trash bags… that would actually be painful…
since this isn't about the actual drinking
they should at least let you shotgun it first
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 24, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way
Here’s a review of the brew that kid is gonna wash down his smoke with. I’m guessing it’s so average because it’s a lager brewed in the land of Scottish Ales. I’m unable to tell if that’s an unfiltered cig, but it does look like lead paint on that door jamb and dangerous disposable diapers squeezing his baby nuts into a lower sperm count.
Just wanted to do my part to throw a little fire on the flame of alarmism here.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Well I say
good work.
Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.
Yes, I've seen it
And almost bought it a few weeks ago before coming to my sense.
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Order your copy of "We Are Penn State", like, now. One team, 128 pages.
by Run Up The Score on Aug 24, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Before coming to my sense
I like this. Sense. Singular.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Please, dude.
Andre champagne. It’s way classier.
by Tailgate Shogun on Aug 24, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, wait --
You can’t drink in the lots DURING the game? But they aren’t letting you back in anyway, right? So, when you blow someone (not us, please) out by 50 at half, you can’t bail, watch the rest of the game back at your tailgate, and have fun? Communism anyone? Who’s running your fine school, Pitt grads?
Ahem
Pitt has no restrictions of any sort with respect to drinking during the game. Frankly, I think they encourage it.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
It's the only thing that dulls the pain.
Plus, do they really want to do anything that would possibly discourage attendance?
[cue picture of Heinz Field with stands about 25% full]
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 24, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
They don't recomend it
But hey, the tickets are super cheap and you don’t have to be worried about getting hassled over some bullshit rules violation.
I’ve been to tailgates there that had 15 Kegs loaded into a U-Haul, homeless people working as waitstaff for tips and some of the drunkest 17 year olds you’ve ever seen. And that was just the Penn State fans.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
They don't really enforce that
Anyone who leaves a blowout and starts tailgating again is fine. Anyone who doesn’t go into the game and instead chills out in the lot with a beer and a few friends while listening on the radio is fine. Anyone who throws a 75 person party during the game with trash everywhere, blasting music, and patrons of dubious age who are rolling around drunk and screaming with no intention of going into the game and obviously just looking to party and be a general nuisance will find themselves on the bad end of the “no drinking during the game” rule.
by PSU Mudder on Aug 24, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So what am I supposed to make martinis? Or make a decent gin & tonic? The gin I drink is not in a plastic bottle, and I’m not a fan of taking my Bombay sapphire out of a nice glass bottle and having to pour it into a temporary container.
The same would hold true for – how am I supposed to do shots of Patron if Patron isn’t sold in a plastic bottle.
I’m welcome to all suggestions
FireJayPa.com
Where every day is take your son or daughter to work
Is there any way...
that you would be able to enjoy all your fancy beverages without displaying the bottles for the world to see? Or would that ruin the experience?
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
by jesse. on Aug 24, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
really
hop in the back seat and pour your rum/vodka/gin/tequila/scotch, etc. into your red plastic party cup. Then add mixer (if you do indeed add a mixer). Close bottle, close door, done.
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
Voice of Experience?
That was right quick, and succinct!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
years of practice
football, Buffett, etc.
We actually called the cops at a Buffett show once when a bunch of drunk kids thought it would be fun to smash Corona bottles int he parking lot.
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
Great Solution
Hide it. I love feeling like I’m breaking the law when I’m trying to just have fun.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
which again begs my question
how will the cops handle people drinking out of paper bags?
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 24, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not hiding exactly
I would rather keep the bottle in the car anyway, as opposed to on the tailgate table so when the 12 year old version of QB 14’s ball comes crashing over, nothing gets broken
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
f it I'm going deep
crash/smash/bang
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
And we have a winnar
This seems like the best solution. Still feel a little silly having to resort to the days of the red plastic party cup, as I haven’t had to do that in years….
It’s going to be great opening and closing the door over and over and over and over
FireJayPa.com
Where every day is take your son or daughter to work
red platstic party cups rule!
you can write your name on them with a sharpie and it is super fun!
I also have one of these, keeps your mixed drinks perfectly mixed
But for super special occassions, I will pull out the Sugar Bowl 25th Anniversary mug that lights up. I will have that at the Iowa game
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
where do i get one of those?
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
the only site I found was this one, which sells toys? I got mine in a group purchase years ago
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
Letsgopsu buying toys in a group purchase
Sounds hot.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
My gawd
Ok, so after smartalecky tourette’s post, I took a few to actually read that site.
This is a great treak for kids who want to swirl powders or flavorings into milk, sodas — or whatever they happen to be drinking.
Clever work reading between those lines!
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
if it is designed for kids
how much liquid does it hold, and is the handle tiny?
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 25, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It probably holds 12 oz or so and the handle is not tiny at all, the button that makes the mixer at the bottom go is under your thumb. That is not a kid’s hand in the photo, it is a grown man.
I’ll mix up a rum treat tonight and test it for volume and velocity. Perhaps post a short video on YouTube. Purely for research.
Some friends and I had these made for a Parrothead event I went to and they are awesome.
"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno
I highly recommend
THE CHUGGLER. It’s a nice big plastic mug. And if you decide that you’re just not drinking fast enough, you can use the tube and funnel the rest of your beer.
I really do have one of these (blue, of course) and I really like it. And it’s not glass, so tailgate safe.
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Aug 24, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Clever
But would performing those acts outside the intention of the rule be unsportsmanlike?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
I'm offended
to have my suggestion be associated in any way with that classless clown.
Anyway, it seems the intention of the rule is to reduce glass litter, so a non-disposable drinking glass should be fine.
Contrary to what everyone has been saying
I don’t think this is about the students/young alumni. Every tailgate that I attended as a studnet and recently as a young alumni had coolers and baby swimming pools filled with cheap cans of beer. Never splurged on the bottles.
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
This
is indeed an attack on drinking. I say it’s time to return to the days of pot and coke. Much better to get high than drunk. Safer, too.
This is really not an issue
Buy some plastic cups, decant your beverage, and place your bottle in an appropriate recycling bag. And for your liquor, just keep it out of site.
If you’re trying to do this and have a raging party with 75 of your not-so-closest friends, you’re probably screwed either way.
Ban it! Just don't piss off the big money donors.
“New for 2009, glass bottles are not allowed in any of the grass parking lots at Penn State. Not only is broken glass difficult to clean up in grassy areas, it also provides a significant safety hazard to the children and others who play in these lots on game day, students who use the fields for intramural sports and the animals who use these areas as pastoral lands at other times. "
But, if you pay PSU lots of money and you park on pavement, the fact that glass breaks easier on pavement, can wreak havoc on car tires, and that people do walk on blacktop, too, will be conveniently overlooked.
Many of the numbered reserved spaces are on grass too
such as the suite parking, the lot just north of the stadium, and the west green lot. Only the close in part of the green lot and the south lot next tothe BJC are pavement, so there is no shortage of big money donors parking on grass.
I haven't read through all the posts but....
Here’s a possible solution if you like to drink beer out of a bottle (like me):
-Keep the bottles in your car
-Go in your car and pour the bottle into a cup.
-Have a trashbag in the car that you put the glass bottles in.
-Take take the bag with you and throw it out at home (or if you don’t want it in your car for the whole drive, find a dumpster)
I mean, the only thing that requires a little effort/discretion is making sure you’re not pouring the beer in your cup while a cop walks by. But, that takes way less effort than the old take a piss between two open doors trick, which I do all the time.
2 words - PEE TENT
We got one for our tailgates…best $30 ever spent!
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Aug 26, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear Zug, please tell me it doesn't have a floor.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 26, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
But just like a train wreck, there is no way I can not ask this dangerous followup question: just wtf is this?
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
It's a stand up tent
It’s called a “shower tent”. We got one and cut the floor part out of it. Then you put some hay/straw down in one corner (insert too country joke here). That corner officially becomes the pee corner (plus the hay keeps the pee from splashing up onto you or the tent.
It’s a great idea, and you never have to wait in porta-potty lines. Looks inviting, huh?
I bleed Blue and White.
by Horse N Buggy on Aug 27, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Excuse me, gotta go....
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Wow.
Not sure how happy I’d be to tailgate next to “pile of pee covered hay”.
by Tailgate Shogun on Aug 27, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah...can't you just get a little portable toilet thinger and put it in there?
though I guess that’d overflow pretty quickly.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 27, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Double wow.
I grew up in the hills of northern Pennsylvania (back when it was part of the 717) and that is still definitely one of the most redneck things I’ve ever seen.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Aug 27, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
National Championship Trophy Banned from Penn State
After all, it’s made out of glass. I smell a conspiracy.
I don’t think they’re asking a lot here—I view tailgating at Beaver Stadium as more of a privilege than a right, and if I have to bring cans, or leave the glass bottle on the floor mat, fine. Besides, as someone said earlier, the no-glass law sounds like a fallback measure to get a-holes to leave.
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