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Potential Penn State Problem #2: Musical Chairs For Dancing Bears

We're down to the last two possible pitfalls for Penn State in 2009, and neither will be a surprise to anybody.  It's the offensive line and the secondary, and based upon the fact that the secondary will have all new starters and, you know, the Rose Bowl, the shuffling and replacing along Penn State's offensive line lands that unit at #2 on the list.

Okay, take a look at this picture of last year's offensive line.  That would be, from left to right, Dennis Landolt, Stefen Wisniewski, A.Q. Shipley, Rich Ohrnberger, and Gerald Cadogan.


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Photo credit: readingeagle.com

Now realize what has been done in the offseason.  Landolt switches from RT to LT, Wisniewski moves from RG to C.  The other three guys are currently in NFL training camps.  Consequently, Penn State's 2009 offensive line will feature five players who are either starters for the first time or starters learning a new position in 2009.  This...this is not good.

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Truth be told, Landolt and Wiz should be just fine.  Landolt (Sr., 6'4" 303) has practiced at LT in the past (as Levi Brown's backup), and Wisniewski (Jr. 6'3", 302) is acknowledged as being so damned good that he's showing up on pre-season All-American and All-Conference teams as a center.  So let's take a look at the new guys.

Right Tackle:  DeOn'tae Pannell (So. 6'5" 313) is the starter.  He was originally penciled in as the left tackle until the coaching staff decided that moving the more experienced Landolt to LT was a better insurance policy for Daryll Clark's blindside.  The coaches like his footwork, but obviously don't trust him that much yet.

Right Guard:  Lou Eliades (Jr. 6'4" 305) appears to have nailed this one down.  Just when it looked like he might make a run at a starting position on the offensive line in 2007, injuries held him back.  He's healthy now, and gained experience in last year's Rose Bowl, when he played 31 snaps in place of an injured Landolt (knee sprain)

Left Guard:  Most people expected Johnnie Troutman (So. 6'4" 322) to win this position, but Joe Paterno was less than impressed with Troutman's conditioning and rehab of a hamstring injury.  Consequently, it seems that redshirt freshman Matt Stankiewitch (6'3" 290) is the guy. 

The concerns about the offensive line aren't just with respect to the relative inexperience and lack of familiarity.  There is an alarming lack of depth, as well.  The primary backups appear to be the aforementioned Troutman, along with...well, not much.  And we don't really even know if Troutman can play.  Ako Poti (Sr. 6'3" 303) and Nerraw McCormack (Sr. 6'5" 279) were junior college transfers a few years ago.  They appear to be the emergency plan at tackle barring any hasty rearrangments such as sliding Eliades out to tackle and inserting Troutman at guard (unless true freshman Eric Shrive (6'6" 298) is ready to go).  The backup at center is...Quinn Barham (So. 6'3" 290), maybe?

So, yeah.  Depth and inexperience are issues here.  Penn State was lucky with a general lack of injuries along the line last year, and had an experienced, versatile guy like Mike Lucian to step in when necessary.  They'll need to be even luckier this season.

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I wish there were a normal sized person in that photo to give some perspective on how massive those dudes are

"If you let the men in you've got to let the women in. I don't want a bunch of women walking around in my locker room when guys take showers". Joe Paterno

by letsgopsu on Aug 27, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Especially Cadogen.

He looks like a monster even among the other guys on the line.

by jimbo2psu on Aug 28, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I was in school

I once found myself at a party with Jeff Hartings and Marco Rivera. I’m a pretty big guy myself, but I felt like a midget next to the two of them… kinda the way the rest of these guys must feel next to Cadogan.

"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno

by leeharvey418 on Aug 28, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is definitely a concern

but I also feel that we have what tools a team can have to help offset an inexperienced line. If this was the same o-line without a backfield of the caliber of Clark / Royster and two good TEs, I would be extremely worried.

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by Roland86 on Aug 27, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Still going 12-0!

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Aug 27, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nope... 13-0

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by TheMightyErik on Aug 27, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

STOP IT

"Welcome to Tangares base. You’re just in time for the dance party. I’ve arranged a dancing partner for you. DANCE TO THE DEATH!"

by psuwxman on Aug 28, 2009 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta love Nick's optimism...

Just don’t jinx us!!!

For the glory

by Paige2PSU on Aug 27, 2009 9:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I sure am gonna miss AQ

as a former center I obviously have a bias toward the position but that guy was one of the best collegiate centers I have ever seen. Guy was a solid leader and one of my favorites to watch play for us

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by TheMightyErik on Aug 27, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just watched the Big Ten Network's PSU preview

They were surprisingly high on PSU’s offensive line saying they looked sharp. Dinardo seems to think they’ll be fine.

by BSD on Aug 27, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dinardo also lost on the new game show

‘Your Ass Or A Hole In The Ground’

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by Run Up The Score on Aug 27, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched that too

Joe is definitely downplaying them a bit (not that they’re at all equivalent to what we had . He also said that they were “close” with the secondary, which is also surprising.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 28, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Secondary or Offensive Line

I’ve kind of wavered back and forth over which unit I’m more concerned with. The line will take some time to gel, but the key components seem to be in place. If you’ve got two decent bookends and an anchor in the middle, it could hide some of the early deficiencies of those other two interior guys, and allow them a few games to kind of find their way. Plus, the potential size of this line is pretty intriguing. Before it’s all said and done, they could end up pushing some people around.

by Spats on Aug 28, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I go with Secondary

It’s been a source of concern for years. I can name so many games where the secondary just couldn’t make a stop – Michigan 2007 being one that comes to mind – team needs 8 yards, our DBs line up 9 yards out.

I recall my Dad ranting about the secondary play in the early 80s too.

by CheeseHeadLion on Aug 28, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I think I’m kind of leaning that way too. I’m hoping Sukay or Hodges can provide the speed and athleticism that they need at safety. Nothing against Rubin – the guy was an unbelievable run stopper, but he seemed a little out of place, at times, against the pass.

It just doesn’t seem like we’ve had the guys that can cover the ground that you see other secondaries covering – and it’s got to be the system, because the athletes are there. If you’re gonna’ get torched in the seams deep playing in a system that tries to keep everything in front of you, you may as well take a chance now and again. Don’t allow clean releases, and mix up the coverages a bit. Sanchez looked all-word because he kept getting the same look. This is the same guy that looked lost against Oregon State. I know I’m preaching to the choir, but – yeah – I guess the secondary is my greatest source for concern too.

by Spats on Aug 28, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree,

it’s the secondary for me also…compounded by the fact that the pass rush probably loses a step compared to last year.

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by Kevin HD on Aug 28, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with the secondary too

It’s one thing replacing all-conference players. I mean the back-ups couldn’t get on the field because the starters were top notch. But the back-ups for the secondary didn’t see much field time even when the starters were shaky.

That’s also why I’m not that worried about the WR. I mean we had 3 of the best PSU receivers of all time, all starters for 4 years. Of course none of the back-ups have that much experience. When were they supposed to play?

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by HookMania on Aug 28, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concern about the seconday

just seems more logical. The OOC scrimmages are something that will benefit an inexperienced O-line. I think less so for the secondary. Even if you get tested, it’s not going to be the same once you start seeing some time against a hot quarterback or a solid receiver.

Those games give the O-line an opportunity to gel, to work on their mechanics against a real opponent, better understand what doing their assignment against a real opponent means on game day, sharpen their menal game.

I just don’t see where those games prepare the secondary for the meat of the schedule the way it prepares the O-line.

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by nitwit86 on Aug 28, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then did you notice

Zug getting into a shoving match with Freshman Morris? The scirmish had to be broken up. It was hilarious to see Zug get in some short kid’s face like that. Morris looks to be all of 5’6".

Later the coaches found a large scorch mark around Morris’s empty shoes. He will be missed.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Aug 28, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't see that

But I’ll tell you one thing. Right before the PSU preview I caught the OSU preview and watched that. I have to say their practice was very uninspiring. Everyone just kind of loafed around. There was very little energy and they looked very flat to me. Our practice was the complete opposite. I saw guys who looked hungry and were busting their butts on every drill and every rep.

If this is any indication, I think we’ll be ok and Ohio State is in for a disappointing season.

by BSD on Aug 28, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw this too

And I noticed Revsine had a disclaimer that he thought they looked sloppy, but it was one of their first practices. I wonder if they have progressed at all.

by STU Boy on Aug 28, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lotta energy out there

you guys notice how many tackles were made even though they were only in top pads? kids look pretty hungry to me

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by TheMightyErik on Aug 28, 2009 11:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

What are the chances that after the Rose Bowl Joe realized the need to play some bump-and-run and that the cover-3 doesn’t always work?

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by FireJayPa on Aug 28, 2009 2:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a concern, but...

who’s D-line and linebackers are all that great? I’m sure tOSU will have a pretty good front seven. THEM? Iowa? If the O-line is a concern which came does it bite PSU in the arse?

by Esteban d' Amur on Aug 28, 2009 7:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Consistency would be the problem.

I think they have the raw size and strength to push with anyone up there and not get beat up and down the field. The problem is the cohesion everyone talks about, to have everyone on the line know what they and everyone else are doing on every play so nobody busts through free. It could only take one mistake to injure a guy in the backfield, and last year’s unit was consistently where they needed to be. I think they’ll come along in time, but we’ll see.

by jimbo2psu on Aug 28, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ty Howle

What are the chances he does not redshirt this year? I know he enrolled early and was such a high rated prospect. Is he a possible backup?

by cjj127 on Aug 28, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't think so

I haven’t heard any mention of him anywhere. I think the key backups this year are going to be Poti, McCormack, Troutman, and Barham. Some of the true freshmen like Shrive, Farrell, and Gress might get a look.

by BSD on Aug 28, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like James Terry

Is solidifying second team RG behind Eliades. From what I’ve read. Can’t tell what the deal is with Troutman, or what they’ll end up doing with him. If You’re My Boy Lou gets another dinger, I wonder if they’ll move Troutman in there, or just go with Terry. In any case, it sounds like Stank has pretty well beat out Troutman at LG.

Btw, how psyched is that kid (Stank)? True sophomore busts his ass this year into a starting position, and he ends up between Wiz & Landolt? That’s a nice position from which to learn the ropes your first year.

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by jtothep on Aug 28, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stumpy.

He needs to get a lot stronger before we even think about him as a viable backup.

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by Run Up The Score on Aug 28, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares about replacing Shipley?

Didn’t he have short arms?

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

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by Cpiritual27 on Aug 28, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So if I'm reading this right

we’ve offered schollies to some dancing bears? Will they qualify academically? What is the penalty for mauling your opponent?

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Aug 28, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like Peyton could play in speedomike's fantasy league

cuz he’s about to have a nut busted.

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by jtothep on Aug 28, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure

I mean, this is the only dancing bear I know…

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by IcersGuy on Aug 28, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

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