Nitt Picks Is Sliding Sometimes
by KevinHD on Aug 3, 2009 8:30 AM EDT
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PrintGivensgate. So Givens is out, as Paterno's rumored appeal either didn't actually happen or was fruitless. He will visit UNC today and has apparently been talking to South Carolina, Miami is, I guess, out.
But all that isn't really very interesting, what's interesting is the fact this kind of thing is still happening in major college football. It's not a story you hear very often, and what might be even more telling is the fact that no one is really interested in the specifics, just the free agency type view of where he'll play cornerback this fall.
It's all kind of a shame, of course, for everyone involved. Hopefully he gets taken care of wherever he ends up.
If I was a bettin' man. I'd be in a good mood. Game of the Year lines are out:
(Quickly: H/T to Mgo for the non-google juice eating gambling link for those of you who want more, but the lines posted there don't completely jive with that I actually see at the sports books, so proper lines below.)
Iowa @ PSU -7.5
PSU -1.5 @ Illinois
PSU -5 @ Michigan
Ohio St. @ PSU -3
PSU -3 @ Michigan St.
Not bad, huh? The most interesting line is probably Ohio State (who is a three point dog to USC at home, btw). The history of this game in terms of pre-game lines goes like this:
| 2005 | Home | OSU -4 |
| 2006 | Away | OSU -16.5 |
| 2007 | Home | OSU -3 |
| 2008 | Away | OSU -1.5 |
You don't need a chart for the Dark Years, but for the record Penn State hasn't been favored at game time against Ohio State since 1999 (11.5 point line, 13 point win). Now a lot can change between now and then, it is a November game, but seeing so many negative numbers up there in encouraging.
Concusin'. There's a lot of talk about two things going into the season: the completely fresh set of WR's and the very temporary lack of depth at quarterback. It's very clear from an interview Rittenberg did with Clark the the second of those things is on the coaches' minds. In regards to a question about a young line:
I don't really think they're going to adjust the playbook or anything. I just have to be a lot smarter. I have to play like a veteran. Sometimes, you have to live to fight another down. Sometimes, you don't have to lower the shoulder. Sometimes, you have to slide and sometimes, you have to step out of bounds. I really have to watch the concussions. [Last year] was my third one. I just have to be able to carry the ball and remain durable for the whole season.
But that's not really about the line at all, is it?
The one thing that is under-talked about is how rarely Clark ran the ball in open space. He picked up several rushing TDs last year but that was more a product of having a 230 pound quarterback made of of stone and being inside the 5 yard line a lot.
Williams, Pryor, Lewis and Kafka all had more rushing attempts than he did, and all the eligible ones* also had worse passer ratings.
Anyway, point being it's clear he's being taught not to take any chances. Which means (1) the coaches are probably content enough with how the passing game is coming along, and (2) they aren't under the impression that Newsome is ready to take over the team as a true freshman.
*And of course Pryor wasn't eligible because, despite what you might have heard from the Big Ten media, he didn't actually do as much quaterbacking as you would be led to believe.
In Score of Other Games. Your encrypted update on Syracuse football...Rittenberg is back to call PSU's recruiting class (currently) the best in the Big Ten...and insanity - somehow, despite linking the quoted stories two or three times and being the largest outside source of traffic for a particular story: this aggregator is killing journalism because it isn't verbally citing their sources like they did in 1790.
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Two players out at tOSU?
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=145&f=3154&t=4563633
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 3, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions
I’m confused by how they could be academically inelegance for just one game and somehow back for USC.
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Academically inelegance?
Is there an inside joke there somewhere?
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by leeharvey418 on Aug 3, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I've been reading
too much TNIAAM…using phrases words is was less fun.
Re: Trimesters – perhaps. I think they start their “fall” in late September, maybe a late summer term or something would help them catch up.
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I am pretty sure
that tOSU has gone to semesters just like everyone else now. This is the first year. And are we really surprised that they would be back of USC?
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Aug 3, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't the one poster say
getting them back for USC is wishful thinking and probably a longshot?
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
A tOSU WR! Oh teh noes!
Who will Pryor punt passes too now?
I keed. Actually, not to delve to deeply into tOSUs player problems, but has anyone heard any update on that RB recruit of theirs that had felony level quantities of marijuana? Will he be back before or after USC?
re: Jaamal Berry
original charge was changed to a misdemeanor and now it will be dropped if he completes a sixth month diversion program. Not gonna be suspended.
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With DC's
health being such an issue I’m kinda worried how we’re going to convert 3rd and shorts. It was a problem last year especially vs USC in the first half. From what we lost I don’t see how it could do anything but get worse, especially if DC has even fewer runs.
Well (knock on wood)
I don’t think the coaches are as worried about those plays, they are much less violent than getting hammered out of bounds or brought down by a LB in the open field.
Of course a lot of that is going to depend on the line, last year’s could get a good push after the snap, if this year’s can’t do that we’re going to have to mix it up more anyway.
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I am torn...
I want and I think we NEED DC17 to be more moblie than last year. Until our wideouts can prove that they are as reliable as the three amigos, we cannot play scared. HOWEVER, It scares me that he has had three consussions, and DC17’s health is more important that any BCS hopes. We need to strike a balance, I hope we play Newsome a lot this year in garbage time and lining up with clark to keep the defense honest.
by GoingDeep on Aug 3, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think growing pains on the O-Line
mean Clark has to move more, which does not have to be a bad thing. He just can’t be Roethlisberger, he has to get rid of the damn ball, and not take the hits. I think it will be okay.
"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008
Agreed
I was torn last year, too, though. I wanted Clark to run more often because there was that concern in the back of my mind that a rhythm had to be built between he and the receivers – that they would take time to build that chemistry. He was a first year QB, so there had to be some bumps along the road, some miscommunications.
But as early as Oregon St, I recall seeing him rolling out with nothing but green in front of him and I would scream at him to take off with the ball, and yet he would fire an absolute strike for a 1st down. I guess I’m holding out hope that his maturity and leadership will help those young receivers to develop more quickly. I like this group of receivers. Time will tell, but they all seem solid and, just like the last group, the sum of their parts could end up being much greater than any one individual. I’m excited to see what Moye can do, in terms of stretching the field, jump balls, and providing a big target in the red zone. And I like Powell’s explosiveness. And let’s face it, more Zug cannot be a bad thing, right?
All in all, I’m pretty excited about the receivers. Clark’s mobility will help, but I’m OK with him not running the ball as much, provided the offensive line gels and can give him adequate time.
I'm also excited to see the receivers
If for nothing else, just to see how the height of our receivers help out. Nothing will be able to replace The Wide-out Trio, but we’re playing with different style players, so I’m interested to see how it pans out. I think all of the guys we have now, while maybe not matching or definitely not exceeding the athletic talent of The Three, most who have seen PT have shown that they are very reliable receivers (jokes aside, Zug in particular had a lot of great catches last year).
If I remember correctly, most of Clark's incomplete passes
Were overthrown last year. Maybe the extra height of the receivers will be a great benefit.
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by Horse N Buggy on Aug 3, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand the concern
but even with growing pains of the line, I think Royster has proven his ability to let his patient running style find a way to break out of a jam up. He’s not Tony Hunt, where that third and short is going to become a first down even if he has to carry four D-linemen on his back, but I think he’ll be able to convert those. Again, I could be wrong, but we’ll see how things end up when the o-line gets a little more experience.
I'm kinda worried
How we’re going to convert 3rd and jorts.
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To be fair to both
Shapira and BSD, I don’t think this is the type of thing he’s talking about. BSD is incredibly good about putting up the link before or in the content that is excerpted. Additionally, BSD readers are very good about heavy skepticism without a link and going to the source. Shapira’s article really did get jacked and the way Gawker writes and quotes, it does make it try to seem more like an independent news source. The block quotes on there use quotation marks and mostly only include interview quotes of subjects in them. BSD is more of a commentary and the block quotes make it clear that it is another journalistic source. Maybe BSD writers have higher moral standards, but I also don’t think Shapira was trying to lump in every single blog.
I echo that in regards to Gawker
Critiquing a MRM story with blocked quotes as BSD does is fair. Stealing the article a la Gawker is robbery.
Angry Mike
I'm not really a big Gawker guy
so I don’t know what is common for them; they did seem to do a lot of quoting in this particular post. I guess I was just taken back by how offended the Post writer was that they didn’t mention the Post, when in fact they were linking it over and over again. It’s kind of backwards logic, there isn’t really any value is saying where you got something with letters, the important thing is to link, which drivers visitors and obviously the $$$ that follows. Name dropping does none of this and can often be kind of redundant; the link gives you all the info you need about the source.
What’s funny is I actually read this in print, despite my ranting I get the Sunday Post in pulp form, or at least when my neighbors don’t steal it. I link the newspaper, it gives me exposure to stuff I would never have searched out and found. I guess I’m just sad that the guy who is writing the front page story on the Outlook section missed this pretty big point, although large amounts of credit directed at Shapira for going out and exploring the issue rather than just complaining about it.
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And here...
I was thinking more of Kevin pulling a Charlie/Hank Baileygates and pinching a loaf on the neighbors lawn!
It's not even the kids,
they prefer to steal the packages and get busted by the feds. It’s the crazy older guys that get up way too early. I didn’t see a paper for over a month, but the Post was so desperate to keep me after I called they starting writing my apt number on the bag and waking it up the stairs. Poor bastards.
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Pryor
I can’t believe OSU fans were excited by his spring game performance, I watched the first half yesterday and he was underwhelming. I thought the backup QB played better, had a quicker release, and threw a much better pass.
It took Pryor until the final minute of the half to score his TD’s, with the rest of the 29 minutes comprised of a ton of wobbly lame duck passes and short bubble screens. The one play he throws well is the post route over the middle, which was a big soft-spot in the zone coverage the OSU defense was running; I imagine we’re going to see a lot of that what with our zone-tastic coverage.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
That is just what I wanted to hear
Thanks. Will watch for ducks floating over the middle.
Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.
They believed the media's hype.
That’s why.
by Mr. Rosewater on Aug 3, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And the media's going to look mighty foolish if they continue to hype him up
I just feel that based on the game film from the spring, Pryor’s got a long way to go. He doesn’t set his feet when he throws, he still has an akward release, and worst of all he doesn’t seem to have a whole lot of pocket awareness. He moves around so much in the pocket that his blockers lose track of him, he actually got sacked a few times during the spring game b/c of that.
We’ll see how he develops over the summer, but right now I think he’s getting too much credit for a mediocre performance in April.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
I say let them hype him up
Then we all get the twofer of being able to laugh at these ridiculous articles with half-assed analysis (however annoying and frequent they may be), and Pryor’s ego gets a nice stroking so he thinks his poop don’t stink. That ego will make him take risks again to show how good he is, which is exactly what we want.
So, you're saying that we're favored in every game this year, huh?
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 3, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
I've got a bad feeling about this...
When was the last time this happened? ’97? That was my super-senior semester, and I still remember the frustration of camping out for front-row seats for the Meatchicken game, only to watch us go down in flames…
I like being the underdog.
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by leeharvey418 on Aug 3, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Every one
and Illinois is an interesting case. OSU is giving 7 against them, but for some reason just one to us (although the home-road thing helps, it’s never a six point swing).
But no, I don’t like it either.
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Really?
Doesn’t Vegas usually give a 6.5 point swing for home/away ?
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 3, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
More like anything between 5.5 to 7.5
Sometimes I wish I had the head for theoretical math so I could have gone into actuarial science… it would be kinda fun to pore over the algorithms they use to crank out these numbers, at least for a few minutes anyway.
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by leeharvey418 on Aug 3, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No
I was trying to say that’s way too high to be a home field thing. Most say home field is worth three points, although some argue it’s more like 4.
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Just so's we're all on the same page here-
You’re talking about the handicap that’s applied to the spread based on where the game is played… if the game were at the opposite team’s home field, the line would swing by double that amount, right?
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by leeharvey418 on Aug 3, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
o-kay
I think we are measuring the same thing with two rulers. I misunderstood you at first, but now I get it…the full swing is as you said, my number is neutral to home field, or half that.
So half dozen, ect.
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Good pick up
I don’t have the brain power today, at least not to realize we weren’t discussing the same thing.
by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 3, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that this affects what Vegas does
but avg margin of victory last year at home for D1A games vs. D1A opponents was 5 pts.
by Screen Name 20 on Aug 3, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Favored in every game
but apparently not favored to win the Big 10. I wonder what 2 teams we lose to, since we’re favored against OSU.
Also, how does betting on Big 10 champs work? Did people that bet on OSU last year win their bet?
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 3, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They are usually worded as
‘which team will earn the automatic BCS birth.’
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You can be favored to win every game
… and still have a worse expected record than someone who does not. If you’re 60% to win each game your expected record is 5-3, while a team that’s 40% to beat you and 80% to beat everyone else is expected to go 6-2.
unfortunately
they aren’t the only team that is going to be favored in every game they play this season.
http://sportinvestments.blogspot.com
what other Big 10 team is looking to be favored in every (Big 10) game they play this season?
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 3, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm...
If there’s more than one team favored to win every Big Ten game they play this season, then the only other options would be Wisconsin or Purdue, who we don’t play this year. Umm, no, I’m not taking those odds.
HolyBuckeye’s comment only makes sense if he was referring to other teams from around the country, such as Florida or Texas, which is what I suspect he was talking about.
Let's Go State!
Which is correct
and many of those teams have a way higher % chance of going 12-0 than PSU, which kind of sucks because we are already essentially carrying one loss with the PR surrounding our schedule.
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At the top of the list...
http://www.themoneylinejournal.com/?p=1362
http://sportinvestments.blogspot.com
right, but again, I wasn't saying we had a good chance of going to/winning the MNC game
but that we are predicted to not win the Big 10, yet predicted to win every game of ours, including over OSU. And yes, I know that if OSU has a higher “prediction” of beating their teams than we have of beating our teams (which doesn’t really make sense, either, if we’re predicted to be better than them, and have our toughest games at home), that they would have a higher probability of going undefeated in the Big 10, but it still just seems odd
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 4, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
gotcha
The answer to your question (which you kinda answered yourself) in as few words as possible: tOSU has a better chance of winning @Purdue vs. PSU @ Northwestern.
“which doesn’t really make sense, either, if we’re predicted to be better than them”
The books don’t have PSU as “better” than the buckeyes. They are essentially ranked the same in their eyes. Don’t forget home field advantage.
http://sportinvestments.blogspot.com
more stupid statistics
“They are essentially ranked the same in their eyes.”
To further bring this home…
odds of PSU winning @Ill and home vs. tOSU: 30.8%
odds of OSU winning at home vs. Ill and @PSU: 30.6%
http://sportinvestments.blogspot.com
Still convinced he was concussed during the Iowa game.
by Mr. Rosewater on Aug 3, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
or just freezing cold
even sure-handed Norwood dropped an easy pass that may have sealed the game for us. I was so angry with Joe for his phobia of sideline heaters, and I think it was a major contributor to our passing game failing in the 2nd half.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
And he caved after that game.
In part, he said, because he wasn’t even down there to suffer with the team.
Should be interesting to see if they are on the sidelines at MSU this year, assuming Joe is too, or if he reverts back.
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hopefully he’s learned that this isn’t 1976, and our offense now depends on a precise passing game. this isn’t 3-yards and a cloud of dust anymore, and gone with it is the stubborn hard-nosed “we don’t need no stinking heaters” attitude. Joe’s learned to adapt, I’m confident he learned his lesson.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
didn't we have heaters on the sideline of the MSU game this last year?
seems he’s already adapted
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 4, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know. He had two weeks to recover.
I think it was just a crappy, windy night and Clark played poorly.
Oh, and too many 20-something yard field goals.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 3, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
That game should’ve been OVER at halftime. When you let the underdog hang around (especially at their place), you’re playing with fire. We got burned.
Let's Go State!
I mean, Clark was bad that day. Very bad.
But a number of things lost PSU that game. So in the interest of finally facing up to this shit and getting past it, here we go:
1. That abortion of an opening drive, which led to us punting out of the back of our own end zone, giving Iowa the ball at our 25 yard line, and being woefully shellshocked on defense as Iowa ripped off an 11 and 14 yard run for the TD. Bad, bad, bad. Doesn’t go in the scorebook as a turnover, but should.
2. Second PSU offensive possession. 1st and Goal on the Iowa 2. No excuse for kicking a field goal in that situation:
1st and Goal at IOWA 2 Evan Royster rush for no gain to the Iowa 2.
2nd and Goal at IOWA 2 Daryll Clark pass incomplete to Mickey Shuler.
3rd and Goal at IOWA 2 Evan Royster rush for a loss of 5 yards to the Iowa 7.
4th and Goal at IOWA 7 Kevin Kelly 24 yard field goal GOOD.
3. Second quarter PSU possession. We start at our own 8 and drive it right down the field, then this happens:
1st and 10 at IOWA 14 Derrick Williams rush for 1 yard to the Iowa 13.
2nd and 9 at IOWA 13 Penn St penalty 10 yard holding accepted.
2nd and 19 at IOWA 23 Daryll Clark pass incomplete to Deon Butler.
3rd and 19 at IOWA 23 Daryll Clark pass complete to Stephfon Green for 9 yards to the Iowa 14.
4th and 10 at IOWA 14 Kevin Kelly 31 yard field goal GOOD.
Obviously, anytime you start a drive that deep in your own end and get three points, that is A Good Thing. But there’s a bit of a wasted opportunity there with the holding penalty. The third down play, I’m sure, was a screen to get yards for a shorter FG attempt, which is totally fine.
4. In the 3rd quarter, Sales picks off a STANZIBALL and brings it back to the Iowa 39. Clark hits Williams for a 17 yard gain (WE’RE TOTALLY GOING TO WIN!), then:
1st and 10 at IOWA 12 Derrick Williams rush for 1 yard to the Iowa 11.
2nd and 9 at IOWA 11 Evan Royster rush for a loss of 1 yard to the Iowa 12.
3rd and 10 at IOWA 12 Daryll Clark pass complete to Deon Butler for 4 yards to the Iowa 8.
4th and 6 at IOWA 8 Kevin Kelly 25 yard field goal GOOD.
This is another wasted opportunity. You can afford one or even two of these. Not three. Not against a good team.
5. The fourth quarter defense. Look, if Iowa hits a huge pass down the field, so be it. It’s a windy night, and any pass in the air for more than two seconds could go ANYWHERE. Make Stanzi beat you with a bomb, not dinks and dunks. That’s is an EPIC FAIL by Bradley, or JoePa, or whoever you want to hold responsible for how our defense always plays in that situation.
Does Devlin make a difference? Nobody could possibly know. Probably not, I say (despite the fact that people believe that Devlin went 18-22 for 4 TD’s against Ohio State). We lost that game in any number of other spots.
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by Run Up The Score on Aug 4, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
That was supposed to be cathartic?
I did enjoy the contrasuperlative re: Devlin, tho. It’s a device I’ve learned well since becoming married. ‘I don’t love it.’ ’It’s not the best thing…’ The sarcasm is a more advanced version, but every bit as effective: ..ppl ‘believe Devlin went 18-22 for 4TD’s.’ This is designed to put the onus on the counterarguer to defend against the fictional superlative extreme. I prefer countering by waving off the ridiculous distraction and returning to my original assertion, in this case that Devlin had huge inherent advantages over DWill: Weren’t the two cited 1yard Williams rushes from him under center, in the backup quarterback’s position? Does a quarterback, instead of a wide receiver, playing quarterback make a difference in three different stalled drives that end up with only field goals? Eh. Here maybe I’ll agree with you: perhaps nobody could possibly know.
And now I don’t feel like we’ve faced up to, or are again past, anything. Sigh…
/blaming Iowa still
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I blame QB14
but did you know that cryor’s hype got credit for the clark interception in the 4th? seems we beat him on the field, but tWWL works in mysterious ways
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If it's a bad concussion, which apparently it was
he may not have been fully ready in 2 weeks. Although, he didn’t play too shabby in the weeks following Iowa. Like you said, it was most likely a combination of things.
by Screen Name 20 on Aug 3, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
How does the cold affect one recovering from a concussion?
Would it make the symptoms worse? I have no idea. We just sucked and Iowa came through when they needed to. Blah
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"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
I don't think it is necessarily that he played worse because of the concussion
but that they played a lot more conservatively with him. When you alter your gameplan like that (basically any QB run was handled by using Williams in the Wildlion formation) it just takes a dimension away from the offense, and makes it easier for the defense to predict what will happen. I’m sure they realized early on that Clark was not likely to scramble, and any time Williams was in at QB it was most likely going to be a run.
With Devlin in, we could have played the type of game that had served us pretty well through the season.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 4, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem with the Wildlion formation
wasn’t only that it hinted at a run play, but that it was also effectively a 10 on 11. Like you said, I’m sure Iowa had it figured out that PSU did not want Clark taking any direct hits in that game so not only was PSU more likely to run from the Wildlion, but if they did pass, it wasn’t going to be to Clark.
by Screen Name 20 on Aug 4, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wild Lion
I coined that phrase. Use proper spacing.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Aug 4, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, well I coined the WORD Wildlion
and words don’t typically have spaces in the middle of them.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 4, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, well, well
DawsonPSU10, come on down for your prize!
http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2009/4/30/860162/warm-up-the-siren-adrian-coxson#15064412
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Aug 4, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
for coining the hyphenated word Wild-Lion?
different than my word, and different than your phrase.
Personally I like Dawson’s Wild-Lion over your ramshackle Wild Lion any day, and as much, or more, than my Wildlion.
by The JuggerNitt on Aug 4, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer Wildlion
More subtle. Plus, if you stare at it long enough, you can see Zug.
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
Yeah, well you like (I hate) Michigan State so your opinion is worthless.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Aug 4, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This whole thing is +1'd
but IMO you have to go with Wildlion, or, if you want to stay rooted in the past DWilllion, which gets bonus points for having three L’s in a row, two capital letters, and besides is more descriptive, even if out dated.
Wild Lion is probably written on that ‘graararar’ sound effect on Beaver Stadium so that’s out, and the hyphen doesn’t really wash that from my mind.
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