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Potential Penn State Problem #1: Extra Crispy

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A quick look at Penn State's team passing defense statistics from 2008 indicates that things may not have actually been so terrible:  19th in pass efficiency defense, 27th in passing yardage allowed, 16 INT, 10 TD, 56.3% completion rate.  Combined with an prolific offense and the #8 rushing defense in the nation, it's easy to see why the team was so successful in 2008.

Even if we look at the conference-only stats from 2008, Penn State fared well.  They were #3 in both pass efficiency defense (107.8) and passing yardage allowed (186.8 ypg), and #1 in opponents' 3rd down conversions (32.3%).  So, what the hell?  Why all the concern?

For one thing, all of this is obvious nitpicking.  We're talking about the weaknesses in a team that went to the Rose Bowl last year.  They only lost twice, remember?  Still, it was the secondary that faltered in the waning minutes in Iowa City* and pretty much throughout the entire Rose Bowl against USC:

QB Mark Sanchez ALL PASS ATTEMPTS USC vs PSU 2008 / 2009 Rose Bowl (via DraftParty)

 

The failures were equal parts personnel and scheme.  We know Mark Rubin was essentially a fourth linebacker playing strong safety and sometimes got lost in coverage.  But really, how were Lydell Sargeant and Tony Davis supposed stop anybody when they're constantly instructed to line up 8-10 yards off the line of scrimmage?  The scheme is the scheme -- something I labeled "Bend But Don't Suck" years ago -- and it's not changing anytime soon.  It's great when the front four can get pressure on the quarterback, and especially brilliant if said quarterback (a) isn't that great and (b) doesn't have much receiving talent.  That pretty much included 75% of Penn State's schedule last season.  But against a hot quarterback (Iowa, second half) or a really good one (USC), Penn State doesn't have much of a prayer stopping an opposing aerial attack as long as the defensive line is adequately blocked.

So, yes.  The BBDS defense returns again, but with entirely new personnel.  Rubin, Davis, Sargeant, and Anthony Scirrotto are all gone.  A.J. Wallace is the one guy with extensive game experience at corner, and he has the dual distinction of being suspended for the first few games in 2009 and not having played terribly well as a cornerback in the past.   Your opening day starters appear to be D'Anton Lynn and Knowledge Timmons at corner, Drew Astorino at free safety, and Nick Sukay at strong safety. 

It's truly impossible to predict how the secondary will play.  Lynn and Sukay were both highly rated players coming out of high school (so was Wallace, but the clock is really running out on him).  Astorino showed last year that he's not afraid of the big stage.  And Timmons, well...he's fast.  That's practically all we know about him to this point, other than he really loves his iPhone.  (Hey, me too.)

Maybe we'll look back at this season in five months and laugh at how needlessly concerned we were about this group.  But until then, pucker pucker pucker

* - Sorry.  And we can get into the other 20 reasons we lost that game, but let's focus, mmkay?

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Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.

by psu on Aug 31, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I started watching that video

…and then stopped it / should have known better…

/ off to a clean break

"...big hitter; the Llamma...long..."

by BlueWhiteLife on Aug 31, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I watched the whole thing

it hurt me in the pits of my blue and white soul, but for the first bit, we actually didn’t look that bad, but obviously it’s out of context and got progressively worse as the day wore on.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 31, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WE CHOKED ON APPLE SAUCE

ARRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!

I lol every time.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Aug 31, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

chockjob…outright chockjob…chockjob…out n out chockjob…HAARARRRACCCARARR…out n out chockjob.

Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.

by Kevin HD on Aug 31, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SHUTUP I'M NOT FINISHED

I WAS BUSY FIRING UP MY SECTION! I DID MY JOB! I PAID MY 75 DOLLARS! AND I GOT A BUNCH OF OLD ASSES OFF THEIR FEET AND INTO THE AIR!

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Aug 31, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HE'S ATROCIOUS!

I WOULD RATHER HAVE H.R. PUFNSTUF, WITH TEDDYT RUXPIN AS AN ASSISTANT, THAN YOU!

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Aug 31, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DESMOND HOWARD ON SATURDAY NIGHT!

LAUGHIN’ AT MICHIGAN STATE! CACKLIN’!

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Aug 31, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YOU'VE GOT YOUR SECONDARY FLOATING IN DINGHYS

WITH NO SAFETY HELP!

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Aug 31, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YOU LET FAT BOY TAKE ’EM INTO HALF TIME TO FEED ’EM PUDDING!!

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Aug 31, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOTE TO JOHN L. SMITH!

TIMEOUTS ARE NOT LIKE CELL PHONE MINUTES! THEY DON’T CARRY OVER!!!!!!!

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Aug 31, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's my favorite line.

Subject to change at any moment, though.

--
Order your copy of "We Are Penn State", like, now. One team, 128 pages.

by Run Up The Score on Aug 31, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The line that gets me that isn’t really best served by text is the way he says again, as in “we mismanaged the clock. AGARAIRAAINNNNN”

He sounds like a muppet character when he says “again”. It kills me.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Aug 31, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not worried about the secondary yet. I really don’t see how they can be worse than last year.

And, AGAIN, how many competent passers will we play this year?

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Aug 31, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

...like we noted in some of the open threads

last year – just wish they would “try” and play “up” more, just TRY IT!

I think this could prove to be an incredible confidence booster – when our 1st guy actually makes the correct 1st step, reads the ball and either knocks it away OR intercepts…

That would be huge, not to mention, breads a vision and attitude!

"...big hitter; the Llamma...long..."

by BlueWhiteLife on Aug 31, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you mean "breeds" a vision and attitude?

although I guess baking a loaf of bread could also cause vision and attitude to be better, because, who doesn’t love bread? Mmmm

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 31, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sooo right...

“just add a slab of bacon”…and a few from “America’s Oldest Brewery..!”

+

+

=

"...big hitter; the Llamma...long..."

by BlueWhiteLife on Aug 31, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a thing called beer bread

Granted, it takes the alcohol out of the beer, but it is delicious as hell.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 31, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dept Chartin'

Secondary confirmed.

Of note: Chaz Powell and Stephfon Green are your return men.

Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.

by Kevin HD on Aug 31, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yesssssss

I was hoping Green would return some kicks, I think he’ll be better at it then Dwill was. Very exciting.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Aug 31, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YEA!

Couple two / ’tree ’proppa blocks that were game planned – AND – he hits the seam in-stride / that kidz G – O – N – E gone!

"...big hitter; the Llamma...long..."

by BlueWhiteLife on Aug 31, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that this matters in the least...

since most people’s NCAA 2010 dynasties have Zug winning the Heisman, but I’ve been using Green in the return game since the original options weren’t correct.

He is more than capable. He is great.

I was out in the trenches, which enables me to paint such a powerful picture, like Apocalypse Now.-Cormega

by OMEGAMAN on Aug 31, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, no one is gonna

move Big Lou. Holy crap he must have been hitting the training table hard this summer.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Aug 31, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being 3010 lbs is fine

until the line of scrimmage moves.

Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.

by psu on Aug 31, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha, that is hilarious

Brandon Ware must have given him some tips

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 31, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was a time when AJ Wallace was the best KR on the team

In 2007 I would have argued all day that he was better than Williams because he was faster and more decisive. It’s wierd how two years later he’s not even a return man. At the same time, I like the choices.

by cpm126 on Aug 31, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Colasanti

Anybody else find it strange that Colasanti is second team OLB. I thought it had been decided that he was going to redshirt. Did the injury to Mauti change this?

by noodlebucket on Aug 31, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that was the direction

prior before Mauti went down. I believe CC can suit-up and go to the games / play if really needed; but as long as he does not play in a down, I believe @ the end of the season he would have attained the red shirt status.

…anyone advise if they know the rules state otherwise?

"...big hitter; the Llamma...long..."

by BlueWhiteLife on Aug 31, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, I don't think that depth chart is worth a whole lot

I doubt Patrick Mauti will see significant PT at WR, for example

by cpm126 on Aug 31, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

I thought you were talking about the Crispin brothers for a minute.

by The Mess on Aug 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have always been a big defender of our coverage scheme

Our zone defense has its flaws against precision and timing based passing attacks such as USC and Michigan formerly. However, you really can’t complain about PSU defense in the last 25 years. Additionally, USC is really the only college team running that style of offense these days (and maybe Tennessee).

Now, for instances such as the Iowa game, I think that was more or less a product of prevent defense at the wrong time.

by cpm126 on Aug 31, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tennessee's passing offense vs. PSU passing defense:

“OH MY GOD JASON SWAIN IS DEAD!”

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Aug 31, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The sound that hit made in person

will always make me smile when I think about it. I know that sounds sadistic, and I’m glad he wasn’t hurt, but Zug damn did Scirotto make him wish he wasn’t a member of Tennessee’s football team, and for a few seconds afterward I don’t think he knew he was.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 31, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He got up doin’ da TENNESSEE BIRD WALK!

(I love you Internet, even if you didn’t give me Scirrotto’s hit when I asked for it.)

Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.

by Kevin HD on Aug 31, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT. THE. ZUG?

Granted, I watched the whole thing anyway. I was captivated by the sheer level of disbelief that a song so stupid was supposedly a #1 hit.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 31, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If anyone thinks country sucks bad, they weren't around in the 70s

Country really really sucked in the 70s. Hard.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Aug 31, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love

the use of (at the time) state of the art synths and the ability to put random bird tweets into the breaks.

Today, they are selling that exact same keyboard at Sal Val’s all over Tennessee for $3.

Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.

by Kevin HD on Aug 31, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Aug 31, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

would you say that

over the last 25 years Sandusky’s coverage was more complex or less complex than Bradley’s?

B/c that I think is what many people complain about, specifically, whether it’s valid or not. From there it’s just a personel issue from year to year.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Aug 31, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the blitz packages from the ‘95 Rose Bowl are any indication, then Sandusky’s schemes might have been more complex.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Aug 31, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say that if anything, Bradley is more aggressive

However, their coverages and schemes are very similar. I would guess that the difference between the two lies more with the freedom associated with an older Paterno than in defensive phylosophy.

by cpm126 on Aug 31, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IT loses games!

Plain and simple. Yes I know it is here to stay…… but it sucks. For most teams Bradley can get away with it….but when a QB gets hot or you are playing a USC/Florida/Oklahoma……you have to bring the corners up and mix the coverages up a little bit. That coverage lost us two games last year and (as much as people want to blame AM for the loss) lost us MSU the year before!

I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?

by pic15 on Sep 2, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why oh why

did I watch those two videos?

by PSU Mudder on Aug 31, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Alignment/Philosophy

Were not the problems with the D last year.

U of I, Purdue, & Iowa all scored on long plays where the receiver was inexplicably well behind the rest of the defense. Considering the experience in the secondary, this shouldn’t have happened. So who knows, the turnover in personnel could be a good thing.

by InScoresOfOtherGames on Aug 31, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've thought this as well

I mean we weren’t Zug-awful last year besides two games, and if the secondary last year was that bad, maybe some new fresh faces back there is actually a good thing. I know that’s extreme wishful thinking, but you never know. I mean, how many of us were worried about QB last year this time, or LB after Lee went down, or Evans AND Koroma got suspended? The new guys stepped up, and gave us a hell of a season. Like I said, it’s not for certain, but you never know when the new faces might step up to fill the voids.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 31, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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