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Student Ticket Online Exchange

The Penn State Athletic Ticket Office has just posted specific guidelines on how to buy, sell or forward single-game student tickets on their Student Central website:

http://www.gopsusports.com/ot/studentcentral.html

More details are here:

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/080409aao.html

The rules seem fairly sensible currently, for the most part.  They say that these rules are subject to change before the online ticket exchange goes into effect on 25 August, but as of now my primary complaint is that to add a 2nd ticket to your ID card (for a non-student friend), you have to go to the BJC ticket office during very specific hours of operation and have them buy the ticket for you.  I don't see why they couldn't make it so that if you tried to buy a 2nd ticket for a game online, it'd just charge you an additional $29 automatically for the non-student validation.  Purchasing one additional ticket for a non-student is the only way you're allowed more than 1 ticket on your ID card (and the max is 2 tickets on your ID card, so only one non-student friend per ID at maximum).

Anyway, these rules do seem pretty reasonable, and should do a lot to combat the scalping problems of previous years.

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No non-students in the student section.

Ever.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Aug 4, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thats an interesting opinion

They did make it less enticing to bring them in this year with the 15% fee. Also students wont be able to sneak friends in without a validated ticket it looks like any more. the cheapest non student ticket will cost $64.01. Thats excluding any side deals of course.

Speaking of side deals, I have a feeling we’ll have plenty of those going on this year. Its a step in the right direction though, no doubt.

Let's Go State

by rmcmillen50 on Aug 4, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree, jesse.

Why should a non-student guest not be allowed to purchase a ticket and sit with a student in the student section? Oftentimes the student section isn’t exactly filled to 100% capacity, so why not let in non-students who would also be cheering for Penn State, so long as they are accompanied by a Penn State student? If my brother or best friend or somebody wants to come, I don’t see any reason why they shouldn’t be able to come to the student section with me. And I’m even fine with the $29 non-student validation fee. Heck, if a non-student friend is willing to pay $65 or more to come to the game and experience the Greatest Show in College Football in the #1 Student Section in the country, chances are they’ll be cheering louder and be more into the game than a lot of the students who (at least in past years) have bought season tickets as a purely social thing, don’t know the rules of football, show up late, leave early, and never pay attention to the game. I’ve seen wayyy too many of those people in my four years of being in the senior section (I’m a grad student), and wish their tickets could’ve gone to people who actually want to be there, student or non-student.

I also think it’s pretty lame that the BJC enforces an “absolutely no non-students allowed” policy in the student section for basketball games. In the past I’ve wanted to bring along one non-student friend with a group of a bunch of students, and we then had to go way up in the nosebleeds because of that policy. It was an especially dumb policy during the days when the student section courtside was half-empty.

Let's Go State!

by Gopher Broke on Aug 4, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The reason that policy exists at the Big Joint is because students abused it, and would bring several friends from other Big Ten schools down courtside. This upset student season ticket holders and there were complaints to Nittany Nation leadership and the athletic department.

The Nittany Nation courtside section is exactly that: for Nittany Lion students. Not Spartan students. Not Badger students.

by PennStateBasketball on Aug 4, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's good in theory

but perhaps the Nittany Nation leadership should have worked to, you know, actually fill up the seats with Nittany Lion students before complaining about other people being in there.

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 4, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, Nittany Nation leadership simply forwarded the concerns of other students to the athletic department.

by PennStateBasketball on Aug 4, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why should a non-student guest not be allowed to purchase a ticket and sit with a student in the student section? Because they are not students. It’s the student section.

Oftentimes the student section isn’t exactly filled to 100% capacity There is a solution to that problem. Sell less student tickets.

a lot of the students who (at least in past years) have bought season tickets as a purely social thing, don’t know the rules of football, show up late, leave early, and never pay attention to the game. But they are students, that’s their right. If they want to waste their opportunity, let them.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Aug 5, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's my personal example

A good friend and former high school teammate of mine had the opportunity to play DB/WR at PSU. About twenty of our classmates ended up attending PSU at the same time and would form a small, rowdy group in the student section to support him. I was able to drive up and join them despite attending a D3 college in Pittsburgh; I had an incredible time and now root for Penn State as a result of those experiences.

Your concept of the student section as tuition-payers-only would segregate groups of college friends like this. It runs counter to the inclusive organizing principles of Penn State fandom.

by gumbercules on Aug 5, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad you had fun.

Many people disagree with me on this, and I see their points, but my philosophy is that student section tickets are a privilege of attending Penn State. I think that it should be viewed by outsiders as something you get to do when you go to Penn State, and a reason to do so. Inheriently, it’s not an inclusive philosophy.

It’s kind of like a fraternity, you can go to the parties and drink the beer, but there are certain things you don’t get to do unless you become a dues paying member.

I won’t let my kid sit in the student section. Ideally, he’ll see it, think it’s cool and want to sit there. Then I’ll drop the “study hard and get into Penn State and I’ll buy the tickets, but until then you’re stuck with the bluehairs”.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Aug 5, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

by this philosophy

should only alumni be allowed to sit in the alumni sections (and only visiting fans allowed to sit in the visitors section?)

Methinks we’d have a much emptier stadium.

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 5, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes!!!!!!1!!!!

I may finally be able to get tix that way.

by Screen Name 20 on Aug 5, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Let's Go State

by rmcmillen50 on Aug 5, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 for segregationist philosophies?

Or for when Jesse’s ‘provocative’ morphs closer to ‘curmudgeon?’

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Aug 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

call me too country, but

I’m not sure I know what “curmudgeon” means.

Let's Go State

by rmcmillen50 on Aug 5, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're too country!

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Aug 5, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm fine with non-students in the student section with this policy

since you’d have the ticket linked to your ID, and you can only bring 1 guest per ID, you’d be able to bring a family member or friend, and not have to sit in different areas (or buy a second ticket for yourself to sit in alumni seating). This will pretty much limit it to a single friend per person, and you’d have to sit together, so not like you’re gonna be selling a “ticket” to some random person on gameday. Yeah, people can always plan ahead and organize a way to get a big group into the student section or whatnot, but what’s the hassle (especially when you’d be paying probably the max per ticket anyway.

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 4, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

jesse — I’ve always felt that there should be a strict “student tickets for students only” policy myself. I understand the rationale and arguments for allowing non-students but what it ultimately comes down to for me is that when a non-student is using a ticket, that’s depriving a (potential) student from using that seat as it was meant to be used.

I might be able to be convinced that certain “less popular” games be eligible for non-students to attend since student tickets don’t always all get used for such games. But for high demand games like Iowa and tOSU this season, it should be students only IMHO.

by Laaaaazzz on Aug 4, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm kinda split with this

since if a student wants to see the game, they’re more than able to find a ticket as well. Maybe have a cutoff for where non-student tickets will be available (like say at least 1-2 weeks prior to the game). Then if there are still “unclaimed” seats in the student ticket exchange, allow for students to buy their second ticket per ID for their non-student friend/family member. This way there’s no excuse for a student claiming they weren’t able to get a ticket because of a non-student, but you still have the opportunity to fill up unused seats with a friend or family member.

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 5, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

The demand for student tickets just isn’t as great as we thought? They seem to be a lot less desirable without a secondary blackmarket.

Perhaps the solution is to reduce the size of the student section, rather than start making a bunch of exceptions so that the students don’t have to be bothered with going to games they don’t want to bother with.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Aug 5, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's not entirely true, though

no different than the rest of the stadium, at least. The demand is there for plenty of the games, and the demand isn’t there for some of the other games (Akron, Temple, Eastern Illinois). Why should the students not be allowed to resell their tickets (and I agree that first priority should be given to other students, such as with a grace period or whatever, but what if they can’t find other students for these games?) while everyone else in the stadium can? Maybe if students were allowed to buy single game tickets instead of full season packages, but they’re not.

So maybe if you propose reducing the size of the student section for crap games, but I’m willing to bet the demand for student section seats is as high, or higher, than the demand for regular seats for any given game.

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 5, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The demand was there

just not at the fever pace of previous years. They completely sold out tickets, so you can’t say there isn’t still a demand. Just because they don’t sell out in 30 seconds doesn’t mean we need to start downsizing the student section. When they have continual years of lackluster sales, and don’t sell out completely, thats when you start to think about cutting the size.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 5, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems to me

that the demand is there for the better games, but that a fair percentage of the tickets for your second tier games go unused. It’s a pretty common problem. Pitt solved it by overselling the student section for basketball games.

I’m not advocating cutting the size, it’s just that I think that is a better way to get fans into seats than allowing students carte blance to sell the tickets as they choose.

Think of it this way, if the goal is filling the seats, not just selling them, doesn’t it make more sense to simply sell the tickets to regular fans at full price, rather than allowing the students sell discounted tickets in the secondary market.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Aug 5, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what do you mean Pitt oversells their student section?

Let's Go State

by rmcmillen50 on Aug 5, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For basketball

They sell 110% capacity on their student seats to account for no shows for any particular game.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Aug 6, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm

That’s pretty neat. Didn’t know that.

Let's Go State

by rmcmillen50 on Aug 6, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The late arrivals go to Peter's I guess.

The funny thing is, there was a near riot when they institued the policy, but it’s worked fairly well.

The message was clear, show up, show up on time, or you may miss the game.

The other thing is student tickets at Pitt are stupid cheap even for Basketball. I think they are like $50 for the whole season. The football tickets are like $25.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Aug 6, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

$25 for the whole season?

or per game? If whole season…they still can’t get people to show up?

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 6, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole season

They actually do get a fair amount of students. They take them in busses from campus down to Heinz Field. It’s not 20,000, but it’s also not on campus either.

Further, Tailgating is like Thunderdome there, there are literally no rules. I’ve been to tailgates that had in excess of 20 kegs, generators, charcoal grills, the works. It’s not as nice as Penn State, but you can easily get away with more shit.

I was at Pitt from 2000-2002, after being at PSU from 1995-1999. At the time, I would not have traded one Pitt student for three Penn State students when it came to rowdiness in the student section. It was intense.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Aug 6, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I think we can safely say that demand among students are there for a number of games and we can probably predict them fairly well — Iowa, Ohio State, probably Minnesota, maybe Syracuse and Indiana this season. So, given my concern is that a non-student is using a ticket that a student would/could otherwise use, I think a reasonable compromise solution would be to prohibit resale of student tickets to non-students for the most in demand games. And to only have certain “lesser” games eligible for resale to non-students.

Since the system is computerized, they can easily set things to work this way.

That seems to me to solution that is fair. Students who want to bring friends or family to them for games can still do so. Yeah, it’s lesser games, but so? And people who are concerned with students not being willing to fill the stadium for the crap games, this gives an opportunity for it to still fill with people interested in the games.

Of course, a different solution to the student section issues is to go back to general admission seating they used to have (it changed in the early 90’s). That would help limit the “look at how empty the student section is” effect that people often complain about as the sections would fill randomly and people will spread out and it won’t look as empty. Also, since not everyone would be heading to sequential seats, the line to get to the seats would be dispersed (some people would walk up, some people would walk down, some people would take ramps, etc. depending on which was the most free).

by Laaaaazzz on Aug 5, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

except most people would walk down

and try to get as close as possible, so the line for the front will be super long, and will probably take even longer to fill up the student section

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 6, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think so. That’s not the way it tended to work IIRC. I was a student when they trasition from general admission to assigned seats and I think it made a noticiable difference in terms of how long it took to get to the seats. With general admission people will just go to wherever is open — I don’t think there is a big push to get lower seats. People would rather have more room and they tend to instinctively spread out.

by Laaaaazzz on Aug 6, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forwarding a ticket?

Sounds like a great loophole to avoid the re-sale limit of $60. All a student has to do is post on Facebook they’re selling their ticket, and have another student agree to pay for it to be forwarded specifically to them.

by PennStateBasketball on Aug 4, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

as long as they're willing to risk never getting paid, of course

then again, you could just meet up at the computer lab or something.

I wonder why they put the minimum price at $30. I’m sure so they still get their 15%, but they could always say that there will be a minimum $4.50 charge associated with all sales. I could just see Eastern Illinois being a bit emptier without the ability to sell for less than $30

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 4, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

That’s what’ll happen. If they didn’t enforce a price floor, I’m sure EIU tickets would go for something more like $15-20. At $30, I’m wondering if I’ll even be able to unload mine. I don’t have any particular desire to attend a non-competitive 66-3 shellacking in person. The only reason I went to the CCU game last year was that it was the season opener.

And I’d say that not showing up would teach Tim Curley a lesson about scheduling crappy games, but the tickets have already been bought and paid for. That’s all they care about. So not showing up won’t influence the AD one bit. Getting people to not buy single-game tickets (outside the student section) for the crappy games is the only way they might start to pay attention.

Let's Go State!

by Gopher Broke on Aug 4, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What you'll be able to do

is put up on Facebook/Craigslist/whatever, that you’re looking to unload a ticket, and you’ll forward it to them for 10 or 20 bucks. Crisis averted.

NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.

by PSUdevon on Aug 4, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Price floor

Yeah, I find the price floor to be odd as well. I think having no floor (or a lower one like $10 or $15) and having a minimum service charge would make a lot more sense. Why should PSU care that students are selling them to other students for less?

by Laaaaazzz on Aug 4, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see what you're saying

but remember for the first time in a few years everyone who bought tickets bought them before they realized what the details of the resale would be. Then demand was unusually slow, and took hours before the tickets sold out. IMO, the students who bought those tickets are the ones actually dedicated to going to those games in the first place. The ticket exchange is a good option if a season ticket holder student can’t make it to the game, but I expect much less of that since the students who got those tickets bought them knowing full well they couldn’t be scalped, or at the very least, knew that when this exchange came up they wouldn’t be earning little to any profit on their tickets. I’m just not convinced that the student section will be any different, if not better than it was.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 4, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but if a student is willing to sell for less than $30

why stop them, since it theoretically wouldn’t hurt PSU’s bottom line, especially if they just put a minimum service charge on it

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 5, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the $30 floor is very strange.

by Laaaaazzz on Aug 5, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Price Floor

This is very interesting actually, as a price floor is normally set above the equilibrium price in order to keep (production) supply high. In the case for the lesser games, this would most likely be true and supply/demand would indicate that students tickets would be more expensive to buy at the new equilibrium point.

More expensive to buy tickets + More difficult to sell tickets = More empty seats?

The new process has already weeded out the students who would buy tickets just to scalp them, so now you’re looking at students who are actually interested in going to most, if not all, of the games. In past years, a student who has no interest in a crappy game would normally try and dump their ticket off for whatever they could get and a lot of times this would be to a non-student. The new process makes it more of a hassle and more expensive to do this as non-students would pay a minimum of $60 + non-monetary costs (time/difficulty of getting tickets validated). However, since students can forward tickets for lesser amounts using side-deals, it may not affect the transfer between students.

But if they can’t find a suitable match to forward their ticket, will the students just not go? From Gopher Broke above:

And I’d say that not showing up would teach Tim Curley a lesson about scheduling crappy games, but the tickets have already been bought and paid for. That’s all they care about. So not showing up won’t influence the AD one bit. Getting people to not buy single-game tickets (outside the student section) for the crappy games is the only way they might start to pay attention.

The floor sort of forces the

students
who bought the tickets to attend the games, distribute them to other
students
(who would either go themselves or buy for family/friends), or just not go. You’re probably always going to have students who will just eat the cost of the ticket and not go to the game for whatever reason, but behavior economics proposes that more students may be inclined to go to the game if they can’t sell it in order to avoid the loss of their sunk cost (ticket price). My guess is that it was meant to keep more students in the student sections. But only time will tell.

by Screen Name 20 on Aug 7, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, format fail

must have accidentally quoted “students” instead of italicizing them.

by Screen Name 20 on Aug 7, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think scalping is OK

If students want to sell their tickets, they should be allowed to. I do think we are going to see half empty student section during many of the games.

by dontcallmescooter on Aug 4, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Scalping

Scalping is fine as long as people aren’t buying tickets explicitly for the purpose of re-selling them. But if you can’t go to a game, sure why not be able to sell the tickets?

That said, I suspect the student section will be more filled for games — even the crappy ones — this season than previously simply because the people buying just to scalp were scared away and so the folks who actually bought are probably more enthusiastic about going to games and are more likely to attend even the crappy ones.

by Laaaaazzz on Aug 4, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that was the problem

without scalping control of those tickets, students were buying those tickets only with the intent of resale at 10 times their original value, so if they sold them to a street scalper, there was little to no chance that seat was going to be filled.

And like you mentioned, and I agree, now you have students who are dedicated enough to PSU football enough that they bought the tickets knowing they wouldn’t earn any to much profit if they sold them, so you’ve got the die-hard students who actually WANT to be in the stands, not the ones who bought tickets just to turn a profit.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 4, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question

My friend just brought up a good point. What if the swiper won’t read your card at the gate? Will they not let you in?

Let's Go State

by rmcmillen50 on Aug 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's hope its not a problem

however, I wouldn’t be surprised if they have a computer at the ticket entrances that would be able to look up the ID# on your card (since the number and your picture is on the ID already) to eliminate this problem. But if it’s a concern for you, I’d e-mail the Ath. Dept. and see if they have any answers for you.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 4, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is also inexpensive to get your card replaced in the HUB. I’m due for a new one anyway so I’ll be getting it replaced before the season starts.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Aug 5, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

which is good for the person who thinks ahead

but what about someone that shows up for the OSU game and it won’t read the card. I’m sure dawson is right, though, about having alternate ways to look it up.

Do they charge to replace your IDs now? I know back in like 2000-2002 I had to replace my worn out, peeling ID card, and as long as I had a “damaged” card they replaced it for free (though I think replacing a lost card cost $$)

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 5, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Replacing a lost card does cost money, damaged ones are usually replaced for free. You can tell if your card won’t swipe, just take a look at it, if the strip is dirty or scratched then it would be wise to have it replaced. I never had an issue with the swipers last year, if the card is clean then in it should swipe just fine.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Aug 5, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are Student ID cards

magnetic strip based?

Any number on things can demag a card – such as cell phones, eelskin wallets, retail security release points, etc.

I would guess if your ID works elsewhere it’s going to work at the stadium. What all is it used for nowadays – more than just dining hall points?

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Aug 5, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Magnetic Strip Base

Sounds hot.

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Aug 5, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And they're

very naughty to boot.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Aug 5, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They wear naughty boots?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Aug 5, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thigh high

patent leather

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Aug 5, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meal points, lions cash at any number of local businesses and vending machines, access into dorms and buildings, the stadium, can be used as a debit card. Stuff like that.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Aug 5, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe they are mag-strips

However, I believe Mythbusters debunked wiping the data from a mag-strip of a credit card in one episode. They used just about every item believed to wipe a card, and I don’t think any of them worked. I can’t remember the results of the last one, but they put the card over a rare-earth magnet (and extremely strong magnet) which you would have to buy from somewhere online, but you’d never be around something that extreme.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 5, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then explain what actually causes the strips to fail without any physical damage

because I’ve had 5 cards fail so far on me of different variety, 3 were obviously roughed up, but 2 looked “new” and just stopped working. I never settled on it being magnetic based (though I could rememer times they were near magnets), but couldn’t think of anything better

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 5, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a magnetologist, and I suck at anything involving physics

I just said, I thought they debunked that myth on a TV show. Maybe you have Magneto x-men powers and your personal magnetic field is crazy and fries your credit cards. I don’t know. I can’t explain it, try asking someone who is well versed in glorified math problems pretending to be an actual science physics.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 5, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

eelskin wallet?

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Aug 6, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

regular old leather

and one thing I’ve learned about Mythbusters when I used to watch them (maybe they’ve changed a bit now) is that they do very rough “science” and don’t vigorously apply the scientific method, while also making substitutions with fairly important materials, and make large/vague assumptions with their methods.

While some of their results can probably be trusted, the show is more for entertainment purposes than educational purposes, and I don’t think a single one of their “experiments” would be accepted by any credible scientific journal.

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 6, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bummer

I was hoping JNitt was a dude who would rock an eelskin wallet.

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by jtothep on Aug 6, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey, I (hopefully) have a long life ahead of me

there’s still time (though I just replaced wallets about a year ago, so should be on this one for a while still.

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 6, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was in Lewes, DE

last weekend and our hotel card key quit working. The desk guy asked if I had it in the same pocket as my phone. He said mobile phones are a common enemy of the hotel card key. Maybe hotel room keys aren’t as resilient as credit cards, student ID’s, etc.

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by rahpsu92 on Aug 6, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

possibly not

as they’re meant to be easily reprogramed

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 6, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how a feel about this

I would have liked to have brought both my brother and sister to a game or two with little hassel but clearly that is what it will be, having to find another person to buy a ticket with. Plus tickets can only be bought via credit card. Why won’t cash work? I’ve managed to go 21 years without a credit card. Getting a validated ticket for say the Ohio State game is going to be around $100 after it is all said and done, sounds a lot like the price I would have to pay any other year to the kids who buy tickets just to sell them, just instead it’s university sanctioned because they take in 33% of what I pay as opposed to none. I was of the opinion that the tickets would be available online and that the prices would be heavily regulated, like the $5 or 5% thing that comes on the tickets but $60? That’s what I paid last year. In an effort to curb ticket scalping they really have done nothing IMO.

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by Rogue Nine on Aug 5, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

curious

I’m guessing you are 21 yrs old.

During those 21 years, I’m gonna say that you probably didn’t really have any of your own money until probably ~15 or so. And I don’t think you can legally get your own credit card (without parental consent, and I think it is still then THEIR card in your name) until ~18. So that’s going 4 years without a credit card. I’m also going to go out on a limb and say that your parents probably do have a credit card that they used to purchase things for you when you were under 18.

Not saying that it is impossible to live without a credit card, and it is definitely worth living without debt, but a credit card isn’t a bad thing if you manage it properly (i.e. ALWAYS pay off your entire bill every month). It is actually a good thing to have a credit card or 2 in order to build up your credit score for when you actually need to take out a loan or get a mortgage (unless you’re rich enough that you can pay cash for a house, in which case more power to you). It is also nice fot these types of situations where credit card is either the easiest, or only way of paying for sometihng, or if you can’t access cash, or need to purchase something relatively expensive like a TV or whatnot.

There are definitely pros and cons to credit cards, but at least in my opinion there is more good than bad (as long as you do things smartly, check your bill to make sure there aren’t any fraudulent charges, and one thing I recently learned is to ALWAYS sign the receipts, even when they don’t print one out automatically [typically for purchases under $25 now at most places], and at gas stations where they just give you a receipt but you don’t sign anything. It didn’t happen to me, but a guy I know had some fraudulent charges on his card and petitioned his credit company to remove them, and they claimed that there was no proof they were fraudulent, since there were no signatures, and that other purchases he had made had no signatures either, due to those tactics. He, unfortunately for them, always demanded to sign for EVERYTHING, and so when they actually looked at his history, saw that all receipts had signatures.)

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 5, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point was that I don’t have a credit card handy and haven’t had the need for one. The credit card that I use for purchases that require them is my parents but that card is over 600 miles away, it’s a hassle and looks bad when you walk in with a piece of paper with a number written on it and say “it’s my moms.”

The bigger point of my post is that now it’s OK for the university to scalp tickets?

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by Rogue Nine on Aug 5, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It sounds like University has figured out a way to sell tickets twice.

Tim Curley is a fracking genius.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Aug 5, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They changed the laws about scalpling

a few years back. The laws were 25% or $5 (whichever was more) for licensed brokers only. The amended law now allows for anyone with a presence within the state of PA to resell the tickets online with no cap of the resale price. The “stipulation” is that the reseller MUST reimburse the buyer if the event is cancelled or the tickets are not valid for entry.

http://www.ticketnews.com/Pennsylvania-Governor-Signs-Law-Allowing-Ticket-Resale2716

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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

by IcersGuy on Aug 5, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also like how scalping went from being illegal

to now MLB and Stubhub being partnered.

I kinda wonder how that’ll work out in the longrun. Will they just start making the whole ticket buying process a bid-war? (could work out well for teams like the Yankees and the Red Sox, but could probably really hurt teams like the Royals and Rays

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 5, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I know

and I think it is pretty ridiculous, though the university isn’t really scalping the tickets, they’re just acting as an intermediary, and “only” get 15% (rather high, dontcha think? Doesn’t Stubhub etc only charge like 10%?). So that works out to $4.50 – $9 per ticket, which is pretty good considering they never used to see that $ at all

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 5, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What they are doing isn’t much different from what individuals did last year, this time the money is getting spread around a bit. Instead of paying a single person $85 for an Ohio State ticket and getting it validated for $15 at the BJC last year, I buy a ticket for $60 from a person through the school, then pay the university $30 to have it validated and then pay $9 more in transaction fees. Still $100. If I see a reduction in tuition or something then fine but I thought the idea was that we could get people into games at a reasonable price.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Aug 5, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nevermind, I found it

under the “non PSU students”

I don’t understand this, though. Why would anyone have 2 tickets on one ID if it wasn’t for a non-PSU student…or perhaps that is only for this scenario…

by The JuggerNitt on Aug 5, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 tickets on 1 ID

Yeah, that is the only way two tickets for a single game can be associated with a single ID, is if one of them is for yourself and one of them is for a non-student guest.

And btw Rogue Nine, the validation fee has been about $27 the last few years, and this year they bumped it up to $29, so that part’s not really different at all from previous years.

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by Gopher Broke on Aug 5, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the validation fee is simply the difference in price between a student ticket and a regular bleacher seat in the stadium. Basically, it’s a fee to make a student ticket into a non-student ticket. So, if the fee went up, it’s because the regular ticket prices went up more than the price of individual student tickets.

by Laaaaazzz on Aug 5, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they're going to keep the validation charge....

…fine. I can live with that. It makes plenty of sense. If you aren’t a student, you should pay more, and I don’t think anyone would disagree with that.

What I have a problem with is the 15% service charge on top of that, plus the ability of the seller to sell the ticket for about $30 more than they paid.

A $30 ticket goes from $30 to $60 with the validation charge. Fine. But if the stated reason for transferring the tickets to ID cards is to get rid of scalping, this is a pis poor solution. At the end of the day, it’s going to cost double the price of a regular ticket to bring a friend into the student section for the Iowa and OSU games, which isn’t much less than it was before. The only difference is Penn State makes sure it gets its hands on some of the profit.

If I was running this so called exchange, you’d only be able to sell the ticket for what you paid to get it. You’d have the validation fee reconcile the difference for “foreign” students, and you’d have a reasonable service charge of about 5% like Stubhub and Razorgator. That’s all. None of this “You can sell it for as much as $60” nonsense.

If you wanted to scalp student tickets this season, and you sold the limit of 6 for $60, you could make an easy $180. Not much, but significant cash.

Ridiculous. This is Penn State sanctioned scalping to ensure they get a piece of the pie.

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by fugimaster24 on Aug 5, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although

if you’re in the “no outside students” camp, that 60 bucks is a mighty fine deterrent.

by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 6, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I'm Not

And it isn’t. It’s a pain, but I’ll deal with it. I’ll just ask my friends for the face and float them the remainder.

You’re talking to a kid who went to Catholic school for nine years before attending public high school. We paid the tuition, but that didn’t mean we didn’t have to pay school taxes, too. Yeah, that was our choice, but WE STILL PAID THE TAXES, and when the public school parents whined about us being able to use the district’s school buses, we told them where to stick it, because our tax dollars were paying for those buses as much as theirs.

It’s the same thing with football tickets. Yeah, I go to Penn State, and I pay a crap load of money for the privileges that go along with it, but I’d be paying a truckload more if it weren’t for every good taxpayer in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

For every Penn State student in PA, there are a bunch who aren’t, and they all pay taxes to support the school we love, so I ask you, who are we to tell them they can’t watch a football game at the general public’s rate at the very least?

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by fugimaster24 on Aug 6, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I go to Penn State, and I pay a crap load of money for the privileges that go along with it, but I’d be paying a truckload more if it weren’t for every good taxpayer in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

That’s all fine and good, but it’s pretty irrelevant to this situation. The PSU athletic department is self-supported and doesn’t receive state funding. Your point would be very good if it was related to state residents being able to reap some benefit from PSU in regards to academics, which their state taxes support… something like “being able to pay in-state rates if they were to take classes at a PSU campus”. Which is a benefit they get.

For every Penn State student in PA, there are a bunch who aren’t, and they all pay taxes to support the school we love, so I ask you, who are we to tell them they can’t watch a football game at the general public’s rate at the very least?

Sure, they can do so: go buy a non-student ticket to a game and watch it.

Besides, you do realize that your argument seems to be that it’s ok to bring in a non-student who is a PA resident to a game, but it’s not cool to do so if the person is from another state.

by Laaaaazzz on Aug 6, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’d have the validation fee reconcile the difference for "foreign" students, and you’d have a reasonable service charge of about 5% like Stubhub and Razorgator.

BTW, Stubhub at least charges…. 15% as their fee. So, if anything PSU is just keeping in line with them.

That said, I agree with you that I think the $60 is high and wouldn’t mind seeing the resale price limit being lower. That’s still high enough to encourage students to buy tickets just to sell (even ignoring that the “transfer” policy could allow for more aggressive resales).

What’s really odd is the $30 floor. If students are willing to resell their tickets for less and it keeps people in the stands, why does PSU care?

by Laaaaazzz on Aug 6, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because they want their service charge money.

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by fugimaster24 on Aug 6, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you can just set a minimum service charge. Let there be no minimum ticket price for resales, but have a service charge floor of $4.50 (which is what it is for 15% of $30). I think PSU would stand to moke more money that way since tickets tot he crappy games might actually ger resold at $10 or $15 or so and PSU would still get a service charge for their (essentially non-existent since it’s automated) troubles.

by Laaaaazzz on Aug 6, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is true...

I don’t know. If the floor is $30, they can only make more money for every dollar over $30 the ticket is sold for. We’ll see how it goes I guess.

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by fugimaster24 on Aug 7, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For The Stupid

Could someone please answer me a few of these questions, just to make sure I’m reading everything right:

1. The max ticket price to put a second ticket on your ID card would be about $98, am I correct? If you buy a ticket that a student sells for $60, you then pay the $9 service charge (15%), and the $29 validation fee am I correct, and add it all up to get to $98?

2. That would make the minimum price for a second ticket on your card $63.50. The base price would be $30, the service charge would be $4.50, and the validation fee $29 for a grand total of $63.50?

3. If the above is true, then why in hell would you ever buy a second ticket for a friend/family member off the ticket exchange? Would it not make more sense to find someone to forward the ticket to you, and just offer them $10 or so beyond the price they’d sell it for? For example, if I want to buy a ticket for the OSU game, which will most likely be selling for the max price of $60 on the ticket exchange, what’s stopping me from getting a friend to forward the ticket to me for $70, so that I don’t have to pay the validation fee?

4. It looks to me like Curley doesn’t give a rat’s ass about scalping, he just wants in on the game. If a student wants to bring a friend to a big game, Curley is basically charging $48 beyond the $60 base to do so. It’s the same price you would have paid before, only Curley is staking his claim to about $70 of every $60 plus fees guest ticket sold.

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by fugimaster24 on Aug 5, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dammit

Nevermind, you can’t have a second ticket forwarded to you.

Fire Curley.

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by fugimaster24 on Aug 5, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fire Curley?

Are you saying Curley should be let go for not allowing a loophole to allow you to get a non-student in without the validation? Oddly, it’s pretty much the opposite — that trying to prevent such loopholes is kinda part of his job (or whoever is in charge of this process in athletic department ticketing).

by Laaaaazzz on Aug 5, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha no

It’s just a joke.

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by fugimaster24 on Aug 5, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does appear

That TC has found away to pretty much eliminate selling student tickets.

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by jesse. on Aug 5, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I Mean...

He’s driven the minimum price up absurdly high, but, at least there’s a cap on how much someone else can charge you now. You know going into OSU or Iowa type games exactly how much you’re going to have to spend, and if they’re a good enough friend I’m more than willing to drop the extra $30-$40 a couple of times to have them come see a game with me.

Not a good system by a long shot, but not necessarily bad either. If they really wanted to, they could take the cap of $60 off, and just take 15% of whatever the ticket sells for AND stick us with the validation charge as well.

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by fugimaster24 on Aug 5, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing in insures

is that non-students pay full retail price for the ticket, i.e. pretty much the face value of a normal ticket. And it keeps the gouging on Ohio State tickets to a minimum.

"I honestly think the "Spread HD" is going to work pretty well, and we’ll be just fine this year". - 8-27-2008

by jesse. on Aug 5, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you're name is Tim Curley.

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by fugimaster24 on Aug 5, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a chance

I can’t believe that anyone would sell their OSU ticket for $60 this year. Or ever. I guess if you have to miss it (you’re having open heart surgery that day), you have to. But I’m pretty sure PSU just guaranteed there will be no scalping of the biggest games of the season. Probably for the best.

And I buy tickets on StubHub all the time (read: I’m an alum without enough Nittany Lion Club points). It’s a 10% fee for the buyer. Which means PSU is charging more than one of the biggest ticketing resale operations on the internet. Ballsy.

by All With Thee on Aug 15, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stubhub

Stubhub charges a 10% fee to the buyer on top of the “ticket price” of the seller. But of the ticket price from the seller, they subtract 15% for their fees. So, if my calculations are correct, Stubhub gets gets about 29.4% of the actual amount that the seller gets.

Oh, and there’s a shipping fee. Stubhub is a total racket.

An example: A ticket is listed and sold for $100. The seller gets $85 (the $100 sales price minus 15%). The buyer plays $110 (the $100 sales price plus 10%) plus a shipping fee. Soemone else can feel free to point out if I am wrong with this.

Point being, I don’t think your example of Stubhub works to condemn PSU in this case.

by Laaaaazzz on Aug 18, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tight

Succinct summary. Endorsed by this reader.

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by jtothep on Aug 18, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you validate your tickets?

I just bought tickets through eBay, and they look ok and the seller had great ratings, but I’d just like to be sure they are real.

by confirmy on Aug 18, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Student tickets?

You can’t validate student tickets as a non-student anymore because there is no paper coupons — the tickets are electronic and only tied to a student ID. The only way for a non-student to use a student ticket is for a current student to buy the ticket and get it validated at the Bryce Jordan Center and then the non-student has to enter with the student (with the student’s ID card being swiped twice).

If you are talking about non-student tickets, then you can just use them without any validation.

by Laaaaazzz on Aug 18, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Non-student tickets

I guess validation has a different primary meaning.
What I was asking was, how do I check if they are real and not counterfeit.

by confirmy on Aug 18, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

P.S.

Could other people please rec this so we can keep the discussion on the front page for awhile?

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