Would we hate Pryor if he played for us?
by PSUmob on Sep 15, 2009 12:14 AM EDT
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Now I love laughing at Pryor as much as anyone else. But I was thinking earlier, as I was reading Dr. Saturday's take on Tresselball, about why we actually hate/laugh at him.
Reason 1: He went to O$U. Obviously not a problem if he chose us instead.
Reason 2: His arm punts are fun to laugh at, and his struggle to succeed in Tressel's scheme makes us glad we don't have him. But what if he came here? Based on our use of both MRob and Clark, it's not out of the question to assume that we might be able to use him/develop him better.
Reason 3: He says stupid things. Real stupid things. But there's no way he comes out with anything written under his eyes if he plays for JoePa, and he doesn't speak with the media so much either, so maybe by the time he was an upperclassman and had time in the spotlight, he'd have matured slightly and wouldn't sound so...well, retarded.
But that's enough for now. I'm going to go look at the Failsman and laugh.
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I'm sorry, the question doesn't make any sense
Terrelle Pryor didn’t go to Penn State because he is a prima donna. It was never going to happen. You should probably be asking “Would Penn State fans like Terrelle Pryor if he had an entirely different personality?”
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 15, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
Now THAT is the right question
A kid with what Pryor has going on upstairs would be permanently entrenched in the doghouse (didn’t even think about the pun there until after I had read it). Even if he were at PSU, there’s no way Joe would let him sniff the field until he got his head screwed on straight.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Sep 15, 2009 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a Vikings fan
and I still hate Brett Favre. So I think I could muster some hate for Pryor, even if he played for us. Plus, look at Morelli…
I pity Vikings fans. Spend so many years despising someone, and then your team SIGNS HIM? I’d go insane if the Steelers signed, I don’t know, Ray Lewis.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 15, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I too am a die hard Vikings fan
And I still do not love the guy by any means, but I am by no means going to root against him either.
If he can keep doing what he did yesterday(played QB with a pulse, handed it to #28 a bunch) the Vikings will have a ton of success this year, so it will be tough to hate a guy at that point.
/tangent
This whole question is dumb. If Pryor came to PSU a ton of things would have been different. I honestly think if he sat and played sparingly behind Clark for two years, he would be an animal next year for us, and maybe Joe changed him. If he just simply put our jersey on and was the same guy he is now, no I would not like him. But its all a moot point.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
I agree with your last paragraph.
But it’s a “moo point” since we’re from the country.
Also, I would like to thank him for giving us the “too country” phrase – best description of SC and PSU.
"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza
It's like a cow's opinion.
It doesn’t matter.
It’s moo.
If Pryor played for Penn State
By now he would have
A.) Forgotten what a microphone looks like since Joe wouldn’t let him near one
B.) Seen about as much playing time as Kevin Newsome has so far
C.) Gotten decked by DC17 if he had said or done anything out of hand
D.) Possibly transferred out of Penn State so he could start somewhere else
So I’m with Rambler… it’s a null question
Now Michael Shaw…
Reason 2
Don’t agree (yet). Tressel ball is not entirely the truth. Troy Smith was capable, and Tressel allowed him to lead a different type of attack. That argument sounds a lot like “QB14 is terrible but naturally gifted, Jay Paterno must not be able to develop quarterbacks.” Was last nights game play a product of only the coach? Or was it that the signal caller can’t handle anything more complex? I’m not favoring either, we may need to wait and see.
We would like him, because...
Pryor would NOT have started last year.
Not with Clark and Devlin way ahead of him in terms of his play as a QB. An easy redshirt. With Clark taking Big Ten honors, I think Pryor would ride the pine as a freshman QB and Newsome would be somewhere else. Who knows? I think the kid would probably be better off in PSU with less press, some humility, and lots of practice.
If he needed lots of practice, he should have gone to Michigan
Born and raised in the shadow of Mount Nittany
by Elihu on Sep 15, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Michigan vs. OSU
Personally, I was never really concerned with whether he came here or not. I just didn’t want him to follow RichRod to Michigan where he could have done some real damage.
How did we do against OSU’s last QB who could run like the wind and had the word “Heisman” associated with him?
2005-10 points
2006-14 points (Forgetting 2 Morelli pick 6s)
2007-Boeckman comes in and absolutely tears us to shreds like Sanchez did in the Rose Bowl because he was a legit passing threat
2008 (With King Pryor)-6 points.
In conclusion, I’m glad he went to OSU. Tressel has to figure out how to use a guy like Pryor against us, and until he does, we’re gonna have success. Simple as that.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
That's true
It was way more important that Pryor didn’t go to Michigan than it was that he went to Penn State. The irony of it all is that I think that he would have been successful here.
That Dr. Saturday article was damning of Ohio State. I think if somebody wrote something like that about me I’d kill myself.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
Dr. Saturday article
I can’t think which was the most daming part of that. The lack of bootlegs? The lack of zone reads? The “new formation” for bubble screens.
Paterno IS futher ahead of Tressel at this point. Who would have believed that two or three years ago?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 15, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Joe
After all, Jay is an incompetent half-wit who is only working for his own skin. I read that from some guy who has “sources” “inside” the Lasch Building so it has to be true.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 15, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I am biding my time until I can refer
to him as a mobile Jeff George. He can throw a ball through a tire at 60 yards, but I’ll be damned if he can run an offense. I figure I will give him the benefit of the doubt until next year.
Why would they hang tires 100 feet in the air?
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 15, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Every year the kindergartens
get a little more edgy with their playgrounds. This year it was the tire swings.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Of course we would have liked him better if he played for us
but looking back, does anyone believe we were really a legitimate option for him? His presser made it sound like it was between scUM and tOSU all along, because he knew he would see immediate PT for either of those two, but not for us. Even if we go with the theoretical situation that he did come here, he would have sat for two years behind Clark, and either he would have been humbled by Joe, or would have continued with the attitude, earning him a spot in the Dog-house. Even then, if he did see PT, if he’s the same as he is now, we would have treated him like another Morelli after we realized he sucks. After throwing punt passes perfectly to LBs in multiple games, he would have been booed, and hopefully, Joe would have realized this was the same situation as Morelli was in, and done the right thing this time and start the more capable underclassman.
But he didn’t choose that. He chose the glitz and glamor of the spotlight, and Tressel fell for it hook, line and sinker, and now he’s stuck with him, much to our great joy and amusement. I’m just sorry we only get 3-4 years with him at tOSU, because so far the schadenfreude has been to die for.
I prefer "They're stuck with each other"
Tressel has a primadonna on his hands, while Pryor is being led by a guy who’s never even heard of a bootleg or a zone read.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 15, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't early to say Dummy sucks?
He’s started what, 12 games? His losses are to USC, Penn State, Texas and USC. All four being top five teams. and three of the games were close. He didn’t even start the inital USC game.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
He doesn't "suck" per se
But he is not nearly what he’s cracked up to be. Its all relative. If Morelli was some walk on turned starter, would he have caught the same level of flack? Probably not as much, brcause he would have had lower expectations.
Now of course, Pryor still has another year or two to blossom, but I think most people would have expected him to have accomplished something noteworthy or showed some serious improvement by now, considering the hype train that was his recruitment.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Here is the thing.
I really don’t consider the hype train that was his (or anybody else’s) recruitment. You know who else was good in high school? Everybody else on a division one college football team.
If you just look at him that way, he’s a promising sophmore that is dumber than a bag of rocks. Nothing more, nothing less.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
He is a promising sophmore
whom the media has annointed the chosen one. Preseason BigTen player of the year and the Heisman watchlist.
All those other great highschool players aren’t having their a$$es sniffed this much by the msm dogs.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I disagree. Pryor's case is/was much much different than 99% of the other D1 players that were HS studs
Guys like Pryor are not the usual great HS players who get heavy recruitment and commit to a big school. He was hyped as “the one” a la Stephen Strasburg in baseball this year.
I do not think you can honestly say that it is acceptable(at least from a tOSU fan’s perspective) to have the same career stats as a lesser rated prospect coming out of HS. That mostly results from hype. No, it isn’t really fair to these kids that they have these heavy expectations, but the crown weighs heavy and you have to accept said expectations that come with it, if you wanna be the man. Its just how it is and its never going to change.
The fact is that you can’t look at Pryor the same way you do Matt McGloin or Daryll Clark. They were all talented in HS yeah but you can’t look at each kid coming into college the same.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
but you can’t look at each kid coming into college the same.
Why? The kids are all pretty similar.
What does a high school kid know? Nothing about nothing. I don’t blame Pryor for the hype, he’s 19 years old. He’s allowed, damn near expected, to be a jackass. How would you, or I, or Saint Daryll of Youngstown, responded to similar attention? Who knows? Maybe well, maybe poorly.
The attention around the kid is all artifical, and it follows that the expectations created by it are too. To have unrealistic expectations of somebody based upon those preconceived notions is the fans failure, not the players.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
Maybe, maybe not
But call me when Clark starts posing in front of corvettes, repping Mike Vick, crying on the field when the punt team comes in, accepting discounted rates on his visits, and talking/acting as if he’s accomplished anything!
Which is interesting, because Clark actually HAS accomplished something, and is still a humble, grounded young man.
With Pryor, the hype was all artificial. But his asinine actions and comments made it real, and made it into a standard which he should be held to.
I mean, we’re not hating on Matt Barkley, are we? Probably a reason for that…
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
I never said Dummy was smart.
In fact, I said; he’s a promising sophmore that is dumber than a bag of rocks.
I’m talking about what he’s done on the field. The whole premise of this argument was that I said it’s probably a little early to write Dummy off as a failure based upon a few games. I will gladly concede that the kid seems like a bit of an asshole.
I’d say we’re not hating on Matt Barkley because [a] he’s from California, and as a result didn’t play footsie with Penn State for 18 months before commiting to one our bigger rivals and [b] he beat the guy that did.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
I'm not writing him off as a failure
I’m just disagreeing with your assertion that he’s entitled/expected (maybe the wrong words, but you know what I mean) to act like a primadonna all because he was highly recruited.
I used the comparison of Barkley because he at least seems like a grounded young man, especially considering he was the #1 QB recruit of a year ago. No, Barkley wasn’t recruited by us, and we never had a chance with him, and maybe that’s somewhat of a difference. But certainly my dislike for Pryor (and lack thereof) isn’t spurred solely by geography. I can’t stand the Emu, and he’s a CA boy who we didn’t recruit. He just happens to be a pompous ass, showing up to press conferences in stretch hummers, etc.
You have a choice whether or not to have a bad attitude. Some people just make the right one.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
by Cpiritual27 on Sep 16, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
"And lack thereof"
I don’t even know what I meant there. Must…..have……coffee.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
by Cpiritual27 on Sep 16, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
My only problem
with what you wrote is that I’ve never excused his acting like a primadonna. I’ve responded to the fact that other folks have said you can/should/must adjust your expectations of what to expect on the field based upon recruiting hype. In my opinion that is a reciepe for trouble (see Morelli, Anthony) and basicly rubbish.
From what little I saw of him Barkley didn’t strike me as “humble”. He jsut struk me as a totally different kind of arrogant. The rich California kind, as opposed to the poor Pennsylvania kind.
He seems quite a bit brighter than Pryor, but my guess is that whatever High School he went to might be a little bit better than Jeanette. That doesn’t make him any more “grounded”.
Intellectually, Pryor is way out of his element, Barkley isn’t. But Barkley is still a tool.
Pryor needed a redshirt year, badly, another year sitting behind Clark would have done him some good too. But he got what he wanted, so, it is what it is.
"far less knowledgeable than the average poster here"
But Barkley is still a tool.
Yes, but Barkley doesn’t care what you’re saying about him. He’ll just pretend you’re complimenting him.
Or something like that.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree it is failure on the part of the fans, but that is just how it is.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
i didn't know where to post this
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Sep 17, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Time for an open thread
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 17, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Naw, nevermind
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 17, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Pryor at PSU
If Pryor had gone to PSU he wouldn’t have been a QB this season or last. Clark would still be firmly entrenched as a starter. More than likely the coaching staff would have turned him into a wide receiver, which IMO he would be more successful at and would make us like him more.
So yes I think we would like Pryor if he was at PSU because he wouldn’t be the focal point of the entire team at QB or hyped as the savior of the offense. Instead he would just be another cog in the wheel with Clark, Royster, etc.
Interesting topic.......
MY perception is this……Pryor would have “acted the part” at Penn State or not played. Reason I say this, is I noticed Paul Poszulzny (sp) has gone AJ Hawk from his once Sgt. Carter look. I noticed Derrick Williams popping off the field and vigilantly signalling FIRST DOWN in the pre-season. Larry Johnson……well come on. I’m not saying Paterno is the be all end all, but if you look at the Player Coach relationship like the Parent Child relationship then the 3 examples I have given are the kid with new found freedom doing things they didn’t do when they were home. Maybe a coincidence, but I don’t think so. If I had grown up with the family down the street I don’t think I would have been rocking a mullet and Yngwie Malmsteen shirts in high school. But my parents were just a little bit….and I mean a little bit….more tolerant of that “stage” in my life.
JMO.
"Art...saw this guy tackling full speed on the gravel, then calmly picking rock chips out of his knees and elbows as he hustled back to the huddle. He didn't have much meat on his bones, but he used everything he had. We got Lambert as the 46th pick of the draft."
Dan Rooney
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
lol.
Seriously…….I just might scan in a picture. Unfortunately, my family didn’t take a lot of pictures, so my Andre Agassi mullet is mostly a memory. I’ll see what I can do. lol.
"Art...saw this guy tackling full speed on the gravel, then calmly picking rock chips out of his knees and elbows as he hustled back to the huddle. He didn't have much meat on his bones, but he used everything he had. We got Lambert as the 46th pick of the draft."
Dan Rooney
Eric Watters Atlanta, Ga.
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