The Daryll Clark Heisman Watch

Though Penn State's rushing offense has been the object of much scorn these first two games, Daryll Clark is quietly on pace to have a record setting year. Through two games Clark has completed 49-of-71 passes (69%) for 593 yards and six touchdowns with only two interceptions. If we project those numbers out over a 13 game season, he is on pace to achieve some eye-popping numbers.
| Completions | Attempts | Yards | Touchdowns | Interceptions | |
|
Daryll Clark |
319 |
462 |
3855 |
39 |
13 |
If Clark can maintain this pace he would smash just about every single season school passing record you can think of.
|
Category |
School Record |
Held By |
| Season Completions | 234 | Anthony Morelli - 2007 |
| Season Attempts | 402 | Anthony Morelli - 2007 |
| Season Yards | 2679 | Kerry Collins - 1994 |
| Season Touchdowns | 22 | Todd Blackledge - 1982 |
| Career Touchdowns | 41 | Tie - Blackledge, Tony Sacca, Zack Mills |
School records are nice, but Penn State fans have longed for another Heisman Trophy on display in the Penn State Sports Museum. As you know, it has been 36 years since John Cappelletti gave his memorable speech at the podium of the Downtown Athletic Club in his powder blue tuxedo. It has been seven years since Larry Johnson was the last Nittany Lion to even get an invite to the ceremony. (BSD - Why Michael Robinson didn't get an invite in 2005 is beyond me.)
So could Clark's projected numbers be enough to bring home the bronze statue? I don't know. So much of it has to do with your team record and how many other candidates come from your geographical area. One thing that Clark has going for him is that he plays the right position. Eight of the last nine winners were all quarterbacks. Just for fun, here are the final statistics for the last four Heisman winning quarterbacks. (Note: Bowl game stats included)
| Year | Name | Completions | Attempts | Percentage | Yards | Touchdowns | Interceptions | QB Rating |
| 2008 | Sam Bradford | 328 | 423 | 77.5 | 4767 | 50 | 8 | 207.4 |
| 2007 | Tim Tebow | 234 | 350 | 66.9 | 3286 | 32 | 6 | 172.5 |
| 2006 | Troy Smith | 203 | 311 | 65.3 | 2542 | 30 | 6 | 161.9 |
| 2004 | Matt Leinart | 269 | 412 | 65.3 | 3322 | 33 | 6 | 156.5 |
| 2009 | Clark - Projected | 319 | 462 | 69.0 | 3855 | 39 | 13 | 161.4 |
If Clark can maintain the pace he is on, and the way the running game is shaping up it's looking like he will get a lot of attempts, his numbers project to be right there with past winners like Troy Smith and Matt Leinart. He'll have to keep the interceptions down which I'm confident he will do since you could make the case the two interceptions he has thrown this year were not his fault. Bradford's numbers are ridiculous and we'll probably never see another stat line like that at a BCS school for another 50 years. And Tebow's numbers from 2007 aren't amazing, but keep in mind he had 800 yards and 20 touchdowns rushing the ball that year. Clark is not going to duplicate that.
Obviously, there is a lot of season left to play. The big thing all of the previous winners listed above had going for them was that they were calling the signals for championship caliber teams. In order for Clark to have any chance, Penn State has to keep winning. Drop even one game and he's done in my opinion. And you can also add to that that the Big Ten has to appear respectable. Larry Johnson got snubbed in 2002 because he didn't show up in the big games. Clark needs big games against Iowa, Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, and Illinois.
He also need some help from geography. Tebow will certainly lock up all the first place votes in the south while Colt McCoy will steal a good share of the votes from the southwest. USC is rebuilding with their quarterback so the west coast vote is up for grabs. If Clark can take the midwest by storm and lock up the northeast vote, he has a good chance of at least getting an invitation to the Downtown Athletic Club in December.
We will continue to watch Clark's numbers and compare them to others getting Heisman consideration as the season progresses.
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I think ND will kill his chances
Look at the numbers Clausen has put up so far: 7 TDs, 651 yards, 66.7% completion and 0 interceptions. This will take a lot of the midwest vote and he is from California so he might get a lot of the West vote as well.
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
by psupride on Sep 16, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this guy?

Ugh.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
by psuwxman on Sep 16, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
woe...
looks like a pink rope too…
"...big hitter; the Llamma...long..."
by BlueWhiteLife on Sep 16, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what disgusts me is that he went to HS a couple of miles away from where I now live...
Oh, and notice the ‘caboose’ kid in that picture rocking the OC speedo… that would be Oaks Christian High School… football factory. Yeah, that link will show you Joe Montana, Wayne Gretzky, and Will Smith’s kids’ names on the roster. All for a mere $24k a year!
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Sep 16, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I didn't notice the "OC"
I don’t normally stare at the buttocks of young men.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that, Erik.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we all have a good idea what you were locked in on...
Not that there’s anything wrong with that, RR :D
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Sep 16, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait...is this a real picture?
that’s not really Clausen, right? Just some picture with a guy that looks like him, right?
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 16, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm giving you a +1
for your innocence
by Mr. Rosewater on Sep 16, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still honestly confused
since I would swear this is just some european gay cruise that has a guy that looks enough like the Emu…but TME pointing out the guy with a speedo with the colors and monogram of the school…it makes me want to believe this is really him.
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 17, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah... and I think that's Lake Tahoe
I may never step foot in it again after that pic
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Sep 17, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a couple more for you.


Anyone have that one of him dropping the trophy from the hawaii bowl??
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
by psuwxman on Sep 17, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
These can't be real
Does the school with a TD Jesus also have a gay quarterback?
by PSUMark2008 on Sep 17, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait till you see the
picture with his tongue and nipple piercings. That might tip the scale for you.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Sep 17, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I say we also line him up at LB so he win the Butkus, the Bednarik, and the Davey O’Brian
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, he's already won the Clarksman
So who cares about the Heisman.
(Speaking of which, at the end of the bowl season, I will be hosting a presentation of this year’s Clarksman)
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buggy Rides
to the event?
"...big hitter; the Llamma...long..."
by BlueWhiteLife on Sep 16, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will there also be FAILsmen awarded?
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 16, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let us not forget
about KJ’s tragedy in 1994!
that is if you had wanted to mention “psu players robbed of the heisman”
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Sep 16, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
now that i think about it
i guess larry robbed HIMSELF of the heisman.
no offense to joe, but we all know that his pulling of KJ by halftime in most games is the reason his attempts that year didn’t even break 200.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Sep 16, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KiJana
I think Collins is partially to blame also, or vise versa. I have no hard facts to back this up but I’m willing to bet that when 2 players from the same team are on the ballot together more times than not neither of them win. The year that Vince Young won was the year that Bush and Leinart were on together right? Also when McGahee and Ken Dorsey where on together I don’t think either of them won.
Again no hard data, just hazy memory here, so please correct me if I’m wrong.
by nittanyroar on Sep 16, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reply Fail
but Vince Young never won the Heisman
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
by psupride on Sep 16, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking that too
also, just for a comparison…
reggie bush’s heisman year: 200 carries, 17 TD’s, 1740 yds
KJ in 1994: 198 carries, 23 TD’s, 1539 yds
and reggie bush was known as the “big play guy” if my memory serves me right (still sorta true, other than the fact that he is a mediocre NFL back at best). plus, psu had milne at fullback…so you can be assured that KJ didn’t need to get many “from the 1” TD’s. this is purely speculation…my memory of events when i was 7 is not what it used to be.
one more thing. they need to start doing the heisman voting AFTER THE BOWLS!! not a new argument, but definitely true in KJ’s case. plus osu would have one less heisman trophy on their resume, so thats always a plus.
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Sep 16, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Ki-Jana
Like nittanyroar pointed out, his downfall was being on the same team with Kerry Collins. The two of them split the vote for the east coast and Rashan Salam ended up winning it.
And it’s also true that the team was so good they often had a 30 point lead at halftime and KJ wouldn’t see a carry in the second half. He could have easily ran for 2000 yards that season.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Sep 16, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What year did Vince Young win the Heisman?
How could Nixon know so little about Watergate and so much about football ?
by psupride on Sep 16, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Look, let's be honest.
Tebow’s winning it unless he injures himself trying to escape from ESPN reporters who want to sleep with him. Done deal.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
^NEGATIVE NELLY^
"Dr. Samuel Johnson's right about Olson Johnson being right."
by mushdamma on Sep 16, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“If Clark can maintain this pace”
Uhh… so if Clark can play as well against Akron and Syracuse, against Big Ten opponents? That sounds highly unlikely to me.
by PSUMBBtrumpet on Sep 16, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Clark will be lucky to be invited to the ceremony
I doubt Clark even gets invited to the Heisman ceremony. The media narrative regarding the Big 10 and PSU has already been written by those who vote for the Heisman.
There has already been media speculation regarding whether or not an undefeated or one-loss PSU would be “allowed” to play in the MNC if eligible.
No way those same talking heads let Clark take the Heisman in that atmosphere especially with Golden Boys Tebow and McCoy in the mix.
Now….if Clark suddenly attracted some media patrons to his cause, like Herbsteit, Fowler, or those tools who write for CBSSportline….then maybe.
But I will be happy if he gets invited and places a respectable, but distant, third.
by DCPSU on Sep 16, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What he said
Larry Johnson blew stats out of the water, but was never considered.
We are far from being media darlings.
by Mr. Rosewater on Sep 16, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
He didn’t play well in our three biggest games, which kind of killed his chances. I personally do not think he was jobbed, and I can honestly say I would not have voted for him.
by STU Boy on Sep 16, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moral of the story is
Season stats are only 50% of the equation.
The other 50% is whether the letters of your name spell out T-I-M-T-E-B-O-W
by Mr. Rosewater on Sep 16, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iowa – It’s hard to run well when the defense is giving up tons of points and your QB has to start airing it out. Also had an awesome screen pass for a TD.
Michigan – He was slightly injured during the Wisconsin game and still had a bit of a hangover during this game. Had one touchdown and somewhere above 50 yards.
Ohio State – Maybe I’m crazy, but I recall Ohio State’s D being really, really good.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless
Three sub-par games for him, which killed his chances. I’m sorry, but I can’t chalk that up to a bias.
by STU Boy on Sep 16, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should have been nominated
Winning, yeah, debatable.
by Mr. Rosewater on Sep 16, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could be wrong
And am sitting at work, and my memory does suck, but I am crazy remembering him being nominated?
by STU Boy on Sep 16, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He finished third in the voting
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
chock this up to media not including him in the Heisman talk, because I don’t remember anything except his record.
by Mr. Rosewater on Sep 16, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Banks should have won it anyway
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'm glad we can agree on something
IOWA RULES
by STU Boy on Sep 16, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but he *was* a better player than Carson Palmer
I am convinced of that.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, despite the fact that Palmer threw for a gazillion yards against that same Iowa team
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2000 yds.
Only running back not to win it. I think that settles that entire argument. He was jobbed.
We are not normal. We are legends.
by NittanyAlum02 on Sep 16, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
I know this isn’t want people to hear, but hear this scenario:
We have a quarterback, doesn’t put up huge stats, but they are good enough, wins lots of tough games, and goes 11-1. He displays stellar play all around, great leader and our team would probably be 7-5 without him.
Exhibit B is a great running back on OSU, who we beat behind a good game from our quarterback. The running back is on a 9-3 team, a good team but not quite great. He puts up huge Nintendo 12-esque stats against some decent opponents, but against the good ones he falters a little by his standards.
My point is, all year last year we kept saying, and rightfully so, that there is more than just stats. If Johnson would have played well against Michigan or OSU (and yes, I know OSU was stacked on D and he was a little banged up against UM), then I would agree with you. By all accounts and what our beliefs appear to be on this blog, then we should have been championing Brad Banks.
All-in-all, this is pretty pointless since this is 7 years ago, but I just think we all, myself included, should be consistent in our arguments if we want to claim biases and make fun of other unreasonable fan-bases like Iowa.
by STU Boy on Sep 16, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Troy Davis Iowa ST twice
Because it's a Bowl Game!!
-My wife when asked why she didn't tell me she was having contractions Jan. 1 2007
by Grainey on Sep 16, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they've been calling tebow the BEST college football player ever
for like a year and a half!
won’t they have to justify it by making him the second 2-time heisman winner?
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Sep 16, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
I cannot wait until he is finished at Florida and is a glorified fullback for about three years at the next level
by Bob Sacamano on Sep 16, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is a glorified fullback for about three years at the next level
He has heir apparent to Tom Brady in the gritty-white-guy-that-can-just-win realm written all over him.
I am only saying this because it’s possible, and because I’m frequently wrong, and would like to be here.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet. -jesse. @ BSD
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Sep 16, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tom Brady...gritty white guy?

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh god don't get me started with this stuff. I saw this ad in Playboy and almost had an aneurysm!
This is who got me started wanting michigan to be hit by an asteroid.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Sep 17, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clark can't maintain this level
If Penn State wins out Daryll Clark will definitely be invited to the ceremony.
If he maintains his current statistical pace he’ll definitely win. Will he maintain this pace? Absolutely not.
Just look Chase Daniel at Mizzou last year. He started out insanely hot in his first four games but once the cupcake non-conference games were over reality set in and like almost everyone else his numbers leveled off.
This happens every year.
Having said that it’s exciting to see any kind of explosive passing ability out of a Penn State signal caller.
I’m wishing Daryll Clark success but he’s going to have a tough time when he goes up against an Ohio State team that’s tougher than the ones Penn State has seen the last couple of years.
by Venice Beach John on Sep 16, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just remember:
Daryll Clark eats Wheaties for breakfast, doubts for lunch, and doubters for supper. No, he will really eat you.
(Also, Ohio State may be tougher on D, but as a team I don’t think they’re much better than last year)
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from Ohio State
Iowa – Their front seven is very good, the safeties are better than last year, Amari Spievey will be an NFL corner.
Illinois – Total garbage. Hell, he could hit 500.
Minnesota – I have no idea.
Michigan – I’m not sure. We can torch them though.
Indiana – Indiana. ’Nough said.
Northwestern – Corey Wooton is really good, don’t know about the rest of them.
Michigan State – Linebackers are good, they have some good linemen. But LeFevour obviously had a very good day.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"against an Ohio State team that’s tougher than the ones Penn State has seen the last couple of years."
I’m sorry but you’re going to have to back that up. I have a real hard time believing that this OSU team is better than the 2006 or 2007 teams.
They lost a ton of key players, and Pryor is easily the most overrated QB in college football. While he’s still got a lot of potential and time for growth, Mike’s argument that he’s (for the moment anyway) OSU’s Morelli rings a little too true. I was impressed by how long they were able to control the game against USC, but they were kept in the game only by their defense and I can’t help but think that game would’ve looked very different in LA.
I am worried about playing OSU in November, but only because of our current weaknesses on the offensive line and secondary, not because I think OSU is scary-good or even improved. I think if anything they’ve regressed.
by PSUMark2008 on Sep 16, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't have James Laurinaitis on the team
Advantage: 2009 Ohio State
by Aaron PSU on Sep 16, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009 is "Pryor's team"
advantage 2008.
by confirmy on Sep 16, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
I really think that the Fiesta Bowl with Boeckman throwing to Pryor, where they almost beat Texas (a team that was much better than the USC team they played last Saturday), is the best OSU team we’re going to see for a while.
by PSUMark2008 on Sep 16, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm disappointed in you guys
You totally missed the point of this. I know the odds are stacked against Clark. He doesn’t have the sexy name appeal of Tim Tebow or Colt McCoy. He plays in a (perceived) crappy conference. And Penn State guys just always get snubbed. I get it.
The point is to (hopefully) point out that Clark can put up numbers and lead his team just as good as anyone else can. The media has already given the Heisman to Tebow. This blog will dispute that if the argument is valid.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Sep 16, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There's my issue with the whole argument:
The media has already given the Heisman to Tebow.
The Hypeman is an award given to the player with the best PR rep behind him. I almost puked when I started seeing the kid from USC in the discussion. It has zero credibility among those whose knowledge of College Football extends beyond whatever tWWL is pimping this week, and I’m with Rambler- I couldn’t care less whether Clark wins it or not.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Sep 16, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
precisely
penn state is not lacking fans because no one has won the heisman since cappelletti.
for what it’s worth, i care more about the bednarik and butkus.
hell, if boone doesn’t at least place for the ray guy…someone is gonna die
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Sep 16, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Will you also take note of the 20 or so other QBs who “put up numbers” and “lead their team?” Like the guy at Houston, or Lefevour at CMU, who just won in EL?
I like Clarke and think he is underrated nationally but there are tons of guys who would kill for his name appeal. The Heisman has devolved into a top 5 team/QB award, and that is sad, but PSU is well down the list of schools that have been negatively impacted.
by Wlvrn99 on Sep 16, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the plan
As the season goes on I plan to compare Clark’s numbers to other guys getting Heisman hype.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Sep 16, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that PSU's media darlings are on the other side of the ball.
Imagine if voters gave equal preference and 50% of previous Heisman winners were on the defense? Aside from LJ, the biggest media darlings at PSU since 1994 have been Lavar, Poz, and Dan Connor.
by Cairo on Sep 16, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
courtney brown?
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Sep 16, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bit overshadowed by Lavar
If there’s ever been a #1 overall NFL draft pick that’s been overshadowed on his own team, it’s the softspoken Brown.
by Cairo on Sep 16, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going to be interesting
To see if Clark’s stats improve as the season goes on , or drop due to superior competition. You could argue that his stats might increase as the year goes on and the B10 schedule kicks in. If the running game continues to falter and we play competent offenses there could be some shootouts (Illinois, Michigan) where DC throws 55 times and racks up 400+ yards/4TDS. And if the games are closer we could be seeing DC17 still gunning the ball in the 4Q instead of letting Newsome get some reps.
But overall, Clark is scaring me a little. He doesn’t seem much improved from last year after all the stories of him becoming the man over the summer. Not saying he isn’t a great QB, because I’d take him to lead this team every year, but he’s still making some of the same mistakes we saw last year that I hoped would be gone.
by jigalion on Sep 16, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and Brett Favre still makes a lot of the same mistakes
and some may even say he makes more of them. But I agree, I hope Clark doesn’t think he can pass into coverage against the better defenses
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 16, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say we have a DC17 for Maxwell Award campaign.
Don’t we have the most (7) Maxwell awards ever? Both the Heisman and the Maxwell are for the player of the year, correct? Why did the heisman become more valuable? Are the heisman voters inherently better at picking the “best” player than the Maxwell voters?
Thats the kinda stuff that irritates me in college football. The heisman is this hype train of tradition, but if you step back and look, it doesn’t have anymore intrinsic value than the Maxwell or any other stupid award. Its a group of people voting on who they think is the best.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Sep 16, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heisman is basically the 'Miss Congenialty' award
that’s how the voters generally make it up to the 2nd place guy as far as I’ve seen
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Sep 16, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for my two cents on it...
I would like to see the kid Best at Cal win it if DC17 has no shot. I would love to see it just so I can tell those Big 12 / SEC honks that have all but given the award away to one of those QB’s to suck it… (no cue on the dog to save valuable thread space)
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Sep 16, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Since we're speaking of Mr. Heisman...
I have always wanted to throw some of the greatest quotes evar together in a fanpost or something but for now here are Heisman’s… so awesome they HAD to name the trophy after him
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
"Don’t cuss. Don’t argue with the officials. And don’t lose the game."
"When you find your opponent’s weak spot, hammer it."
"To break training without permission is an act of treason."
"When in doubt, punt!"
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Sep 16, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"When in doubt, punt!"
Ladies and gentlemen, the Lloyd Carr era!
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is smart
Sorry I didn’t get on and read before we collectively received your disappointment, but I think you’re making a smart play here. The connection between Hype and winning the Heisman is not lost on anybody who’s a fan of college football, veteran or ‘casual.’ If DC17 continues to put up worthy numbers, we all know he’ll need a little help from those with an audience, in either Blogistan or MSM. That is, for those fans who care about this award. And even for those who don’t, it can still make for an interesting read about one of our favorite players from our favorite team.
/leaving two pennies on the table…
"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Sep 16, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Mike - a suggestion
When you do this Heisman update feature, pretty please use Buggy’s Clarksman pic as the headline pic.
Would be much appreciated.
TIA.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets not get carried away here people! The run game is gonna come around anyways and keep Clark from having to throw 40X a game which we dont need anyhow. Chalk Colt McCoy in as your Heisman winner.
by HillJackOutlaw on Sep 16, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like kool-aid
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 16, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk
i could have sworn someone at the church of ESPN said that “it’s colt’s turn to win the heisman this year,” like it’s something he is DUE? that’s about as logical as “QB14 is a senior…why WOULDN’T he be the qb/team captain?”
We decide when you hear the snap count...
by thedrizzle on Sep 16, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, I heard the line "It's only fair that Colt McCoy gets it this year"
fair for Colt! let’s ignore everyone else
by PSUisMyHeart on Sep 16, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will sound like kool-aid
but I believe in Clark. I think he’s established himself as a team leader, no matter which part of the offense is “better” than the other. And although it’s too early to be declaring him a Heisman winner, I have no doubts that if he keeps the same fire and intensity that he’s shown and keeps everyone under him level-headed about EVERY game, not just the big ones, he’s got the potential to succeed to Heisman level. At the very least, I think he’ll be leaving PSU as one of the most successful QBs in our history and enshrined next to the Greats in the record books.
While I believe he could win the Heisman, unfortunately the PR machine has already started rolling for OMG THE THREE, who will be tough for the voters to not drool over. And in the end if he actually is in contention for the award, we might get shafted…again…but we’ll know that we witnessed one of the greatest “rise from obscurity to glory” stories in PSU history, and we should be proud of it no matter what. He’s a great guy, a great role model, and I believe he’s a great leader who will be able to rally his teammates behind him no matter what happens this season.
But I look forward to seeing how Saint Circumsize and the two “Lets throw for 19,378 yards in a season because we don’t play teams with defense here in the Big 12” QBs will look vs. Clark’s stats this year.
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 16, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, I can pretty much guarantee Bradford won't be winning it this year
unless he has a MONSTER year in the games he plays in
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 16, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he's gone unless he goes ape sh*t in his games and is throwing for 1500 yds/game
but even then I’m not going to be impressed because he’s playing against Nintendo 12 offenses.
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 17, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
throwing for 1500yds/game against Nintendo 12 offenses
you’d have to give him a Heisman for that
by PSUisMyHeart on Sep 17, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitt verbal
I read daily but can’t log in for whatever reason as my work blocks sbnation, but not BSD. strange. anyhoot what’s up with this kid from from bethlehem, pa? i read we had an offer out to him even though we have 2 qb’s with verbals…
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
by wookieeman on Sep 16, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anthony Gonzalez?
There was an offer, but I heard that we made it clear that we did not want him to play QB. He wanted to be a QB. I think thats pretty much the story.
by Brett Brown on Sep 16, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We had an offer out at one point, probably still stood.
I’m not exactly sure, but I believe the offer was for an “Athlete” type deal. Other schools offered him as a Safety which many believe will be his best possible position in college. PSU probably said he could have a shot at QB, but wanted him more as a safety. Pitt gives him a much better shot at QB.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
by psuphiman80 on Sep 16, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH TEH NOES! WE LOST A RECRUIT TO PITT!
WE SUCK AT RECRUITING! FIRE JAYPA!
lol
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 17, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JOE IS INTENTIONALLY DESTROYING HIS PROGRAM SO HE HAND IT OVER TO JAY!1
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 17, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You say it now and
it sounds so crayzee.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
by rahpsu92 on Sep 17, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea Gonzalez
I figured it was something like that. JoePa saw him as a Safety or LB and Pitt gave in to his wishes.
http://postgazette.com/pg/09259/998401-100.stm
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
by wookieeman on Sep 16, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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