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2009 Iowa Football - Iowa Upsets #5 Penn State (via Hawkeyeshawn1234)


With apologies to Denny Green, we finally have concrete proof against a good opponent that this isn't likely to be a banner year for Penn State.  After the game, Joe Paterno supposedly told his current team about the 1982 squad which lost to Alabama mid-season and went on to win the national championship.  Brave, positive words (and much needed, to be sure), but this ain't the 1982 team we're dealing with here.  There's no Todd Blackledge, there's no Curt Warner, and there's no offensive line.

 

I'm not sure what Penn State can even do with the offense.  The Wisniewski move to center is looking like a major gaffe (just look at the 3:30 point of the video for about three straight plays of FAIL) and overreaction by the coaching staff.  Landolt's move to left tackle seems fine -- could you imagine Pannell protecting Clark's blind side against Iowa?  Pannell will probably be fine one day, but PSU needs that day to come very, very soon.  Eliades and Troutman are what they are -- first year starters on a shabby line.

 

Royster looks lost out there.  Maybe that's because he's just as frazzled and scared as Clark because he doesn't know if/when blocks will materialize in front of him.  It's like trying to read a book without words for him right now.  And Clark...as bad as I feel for the guy, if he wants to be CaptainClark and all that shit, he's supposed to be firing up his underperforming teammates, not sulking on the bench like Terrelle Pryor after last year's PSU game in Columbus.

 

The good news is that there aren't a lot of killer teams on this schedule.  Ohio State is going to give this team fits, and it will be up to the defense to generate turnovers because I can't see Penn State's offense moving the ball with any kind of success against OSU's front four.  Unless this offense can seriously improve by November -- not out of the question, mind you -- I'm counting OSU at another home loss, and maybe even an ugly one.

 

Illinois will be a good test for this team, not because they're good, but because it's a bounceback game and the first road game of the year.  If they come out flat (like they so often do on the road) and give up early yards/scores to Juice and Benn, it's going to be a dogfight.  Illinois' defense is utter garbage, and that was true before Martez Wilson's season ended due to a neck injury.  If they can't move the ball and score points gainst the Illini, do your best to become comfortable with the fact that it's going to be a long and painful Big Ten season.  Illinois has scored 27 and 24 points against us in the last two meetings, against defenses that were probably better than what we have now, but they're in complete shambles.  They are undisciplined, unskilled, and their coach is one of the worst in-game tacticians in the nation. 

 

This next game shouldn't be in doubt for long, and I'll be looking into Insight Bowl tickets if it's even close.

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I think....

This year’s defense (w/ Bowman and Lee) is better than last years.

We are weaker at DE, but much stronger everywhere else.

What is everyone’s elses thoughts?

WE ARE.......PENN STATE!

by Nick7 on Sep 28, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about *much* stronger.

The depth just isn’t there this year. Last year, Maurice Evans wasn’t even a starter. This year, he’d undoubtedly be our best DE. Crawford, Hayes, Lattimore, and the others aren’t getting the job done. And when the front four can’t do their job, this defense fails.

But the defense isnt the problem, as we both know.

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by Run Up The Score on Sep 28, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disgusting!!!

I feel bad for all the PSU fans who are in America and suffered thru the live game. But, I am in Thailand and had to wait to find out Iowa made Clark and Crew look like fools. The O line is pathetic and Clark must have been thinking of pink pie and not the game. Once again they have dug a huge hole. I can’t write anymore, I’m gonna puke. They had better smoke the Illini. If Joe Pa can’t pump up his team, they need to do what the Pens did and dump him. You are only as good as today and PSU needs a coach who gets the team fired up and can win a title every decade instead of every 30 years. Hopefully the Penguins can have a good season.

"Let's Go Pens!!"
Nittany Lions 4 Life

by mpags on Oct 2, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mmmm yeah....

That’s the kind of stuff you yell at your TV in the heat of the moment, hope nobody heard, then pretend you didn’t say the next day.

Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?

by jesse. on Oct 2, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I WAS FIRING UP MY SECTION! I DID MY JOB! I PAID MY 75 DOLLARS! AND I GOT A BUNCH OF OLD ASSES OFF THEIR FEET!

Anyway, in my opinion, this team misses Shipley a lot more than I expected. Clark is still doing the same thing he did when they had to settle for a field goal against Wisconsin – putting too much pressure on himself.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Sep 28, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There's a big difference in Clark's responsibilities.

He wanted to be the guy everyone in the huddle looked toward. Now that he is, he has to make sure that what those other guys are looking toward is a positive, motivating factor.

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by Run Up The Score on Sep 28, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahem...

WHAT ARE WE DOING IN THE SHOTGUN IN A MONSOON? WE’RE ASKING CLARK TO RUN THE OPTION IN HURRICANE KATRINA!

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Sep 28, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad news, my friend. They kicked our asses.

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by Run Up The Score on Sep 28, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction...

their defense and special teams kicked ass. Their offense didn’t lose the game.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 28, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, pretty much.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 28, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their offense won the game in the 4th quarter, though.

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"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does - kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me." -- Terrelle Pryor

by Run Up The Score on Sep 28, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their offense took advantage of the defense serving up the ball on the 25 yard..

line. When the score was 11-10 all that offense had to do was not give up a pick 6.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 28, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That counts!

What killed me is that they were breaking off 8 yard runs on 1st downs when the whole world knew they were running the ball.

Iowa 1-10 at Psu24 IOWA drive start at 09:45.
Iowa 1-10 at Psu24 32-Robinson, Adam rush for 9 yards to the PSU15.
Iowa 2-1 at Psu15 32-Robinson, Adam rush for 2 yards to the PSU13, 1ST DOWN IOWA
Iowa 1-10 at Psu13 32-Robinson, Adam rush for 13 yards to the PSU0, 1ST DOWN IOWA, TOUCHDOWN, clock 08:32.
   1-Murray, Daniel kick attempt good.
   Iowa 18, Penn State 10

Iowa 1-10 at Psu39 IOWA drive start at 03:48.
Iowa 1-10 at Psu39 32-Robinson, Adam rush for 8 yards to the PSU31
Iowa 2-2 at Psu31 32-Robinson, Adam rush for 4 yards to the PSU27, 1ST DOWN IOWA
Iowa 1-10 at Psu27 32-Robinson, Adam rush for 8 yards to the PSU19
Iowa 2-2 at Psu19 Timeout Penn State, clock 02:23.
Iowa 2-2 at Psu19 32-Robinson, Adam rush for 3 yards to the PSU16, 1ST DOWN IOWA
Iowa 1-10 at Psu16 32-Robinson, Adam rush for loss of 1 yard to the PSU17
Iowa 2-11 at Psu17 Timeout Penn State, clock 01:42.
Iowa 2-11 at Psu17 32-Robinson, Adam rush for loss of 2 yards to the PSU19
Iowa 3-13 at Psu19 32-Robinson, Adam rush for 5 yards to the PSU14
Iowa 4-8 at Psu14 Timeout Iowa, clock 00:13.
Iowa 4-8 at Psu14 1-Murray, Daniel field goal attempt from 31 GOOD, clock 00:08.
   Iowa 21, Penn State 10

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"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does - kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me." -- Terrelle Pryor

by Run Up The Score on Sep 28, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The defense gave up two....

25 yard drives. Not exactly tough for an offense, even against a very good defense. That is why the turnovers killed PSU. No way Iowa was going 75 yards or anything. Their offense showed up when it needed to, but didn’t kick ass.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 28, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. They kept us off the field when they needed to, basically.

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"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does - kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me." -- Terrelle Pryor

by Run Up The Score on Sep 28, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, that is how you win a football game.

Penn State can’t do it this year.

Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?

by jesse. on Sep 28, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

8 yards on first down when everyone in the nation knows you're running?

Yep, Penn State can’t do it this year. We’re all saying the same thing. I was agreeing with RUTS. Iowa played us like the violin we always are for them.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Sep 28, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frankly, the game was over at 11-10.....

Did anyone think PSU was going to pull it out after that blocked punt? No. My main point was that PSU’s D did what it was supposed to do all night. You can’t keep asking them to come out on a short field. Average offensive teams are going to get a score sooner rather than later.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 28, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Did anyone think PSU was going to pull it out after that blocked punt? No."

Hell yes I did! We can’t give up that easily. The fight was beaten out of our team. Yeah their front 7 was destroying us, but I thought Clark and/or Royster would pull it out. Of course I had faith in them. In the end, Clark couldn’t climb the mountain, and Royster, of all people, coughed up the real dagger fumble. I can’t believe it was Royster of all people. And of course it was on a beauty of a run.

It’s like the crap stain of this game got all over everyone. Coaches, fans, the whole team.

BTW, other than the first part, I agree with your post.

this is all true

My main point was that PSU’s D did what it was supposed to do all night. You can’t keep asking them to come out on a short field. Average offensive teams are going to get a score sooner rather than later.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Sep 28, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it was later in the year...

I may have had more faith that they would have pulled it off, but the offense has looked out of sync for the whole year and Iowa’s defense was dominating. The life went out the team. Had I seen this team overcome some adversity, I may have been more confident.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 28, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I clutched onto a tiny little piece of hope until the Royster fumble. But even before that, I did not think we were going to win.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Sep 28, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's possible to get your ass kicked even though the score is close

Hell, I thought we were getting our ass kicked and we were winning 10-2. I thought 11-10 was going to be pretty much insurmountable.

The one think Ferentz is good at is knowing how many points it’s going to take to beat Penn State. This game was a lot closer to the 6-4 fiasco than we want to admit.

Once Penn State go behind the game was over, period. Ferentz knew it, and just like in the 6-4 game he knew Penn State’s only chance was a big defensive play.

Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?

by jesse. on Sep 28, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know.....

We should have won the 6-4 fiasco. How many filed goals did we miss in that game? They weren’t blocked……..just missed…we beat ourselves. In this one we got beat by the Iowa Special Teams and D. Iowa Beamer balled us on special teams, we put the rock on the ground, and they created pics with pressure on DC. Can’t give the ball up like that. The Royster fumble (IMO) was the coffin door closing in this game.

I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?

by pic15 on Sep 29, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, thats what I get for working. Haha.

If you substitute Notre Dame for Iowa and Michigan State for Penn State, thats what Valenti said in his rant, tying into Rambler’s usage. Sadly, i know all too well they kicked our asses. Unintelligible sobbing

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Sep 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what to think of the offensive playcalling.

I really don’t think they were being overly conservative-there were a surprising number of passes that would have been ugly off-tackle runs or QB draw plays in the past. I think they had the right intentions, and they were flinging it all over the field in the second half, but Clark was throwing passes under pressure and they couldn’t create anything from their runs. After Clark got drilled and got up slowly in the third, he started throwing into triple coverage and it was all over.

Still, I think this is more of a case of Iowa being very good than PSU being very bad. Fortunately I think Ohio State is the only real defensive challenge left on the schedule, barring Michigan State or Northwestern living up to their preseason expectations. I think this team can go 10-2. Another positive, the WR’s looked very good against one of the best secondaries in the country.

by Cairo on Sep 28, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That jNW game looks better now, doesn't it?

And I still think we can easily score 30+ on Michigan.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Sep 28, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I assume you mean by halftime

PSU will move the ball at will against UM. The only question will be 3 points vs. 7 for each possession. Of course, I think UM will score in the 30s as well, depending on qb health.

by Wlvrn99 on Sep 28, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you on Wiz

You watch him out there and he looks lost. He wiffs on a lot of blocks, something that we weren’t used to seeing out of him. At one point in the game the other day (forget which play specifically but it could’ve been many), I remember seeing 3 PSU lineman standing around while Clark was running for his life.

by Screen Name 20 on Sep 28, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There's a QB draw in the middle of that video

And it would’ve gone for 20 yards and maybe even a TD if Wiz blocks his guy. He had an awful, awful game.

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by Run Up The Score on Sep 28, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad for the shotgun

There is no zip on Wiz’s shotgun snaps. I’ve never seen it that bad.

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by WFY on Sep 28, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very critical yet muted point

Clark has to often take his eyes off the field b/c Wiz snaps the ball 2 feet too low and with no velocity. Clark’s surveying the field, and you even see him take a step forward as he goes thru his snap count and the ball STILL is under-snapped.

Wiz to Center may have been the biggest gaffe of the preseason — and it’s way too late to do anything about it.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Sep 28, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The vision of the Oline sticking in my head was that one third down

late in the game where Iowa actually blitzed (instead of just sitting on the ridiculous pressure they were getting with their front four). The way I remember it, I do not think Wiz, Troutman, or Eliades even touched anyone.

by cpm126 on Sep 28, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That might be the play I'm talking about

they replayed it and it was really apparent how lost they were.

by Screen Name 20 on Sep 28, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wiz

move him back to RG….give someone else a shot a center. Put Landolt back at RT…Have a least one experienced side of the OL.

"I'm not affraid to compete"
~Robert Bolden

by QBsneak12 on Sep 28, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Been thinking about this, too

Wiz is a very good guard. But he’s clearly struggling as a center. Maybe he has the upside to be a very good center as well, and that’s what the coaches see. It’s hard to believe, though, that he is that much better than any of the other potential centers on the team that it offsets what PSU loses with him at guard.

I’d like to see the coaches give this line a few more weeks to improve. But if they can’t get some mojo, I think the Wiz experiment needs to end with a move back to guard. He can regain his confidence, and be an absolute monster as a senior next year.

by gcdyersb on Sep 28, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still a lot of time.

Last years team seemed to peak during the Illinois/Wisconsin games. We knew for the rest of the season what they were capable of doing, and I don’t think developed much beyond week 6 or 7. This years team looks like it should only get better. Kind of worried about Clark though, seems like the kind of player who needs to build up confidence in order to perform at a high level. Going to be interesting to see if he can bounce back. But the defense is going to give us a shot at every game, especially when Lee comes back.

by jigalion on Sep 28, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree that they are who we thought they were

but that’s not bad at all IMO. We all knew our OL would probably hurt us at some point against a good opponent which Iowa is but we also all knew that we would probably beat up on the other teams. I think this season is still going as planned with 10 or 11 wins. OSU will probably be the only other team that will make us pay for our OL.

by RNF18 on Sep 28, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The one bright light is that O$U is in November.

Maybe they can put this thing together by then.

by Cairo on Sep 28, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Also, the OSU game creates a different intensity than Iowa does.

by RNF18 on Sep 28, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You would think so.

Then again, a night game in the Whitehouse on national television against the only team that beat you last year should generate some intensity too.

by jimbo2psu on Sep 28, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

If you can’t generate the requisite intensity for a nationally televised night game against an opponent that’s beat you 7 out of the last 8 times, and derailed your opportunity to go undefeated and to the National Championship the year before… well, I don’t see you being able to get all that intense for any other game.

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by Deezy24 on Sep 28, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I disagree

Yeah we drum up a little Iowa hate pretty much the week before we play them each year. True they beat us last year so we really should be fired up about it, but the fact is that they upset us and played a better football game. Heck I didn’t even remember our record was so bad against them until it was mentioned 5 million times last week, and its probably because I don’t care. They are so far away from PA (a problem I think we have in the Big 10 in general) and I honestly couldn’t care less about Iowa today other than hoping they play well the rest of the year so our loss doesn’t look so bad. Truthfully, does anyone on here watch Iowa games hoping they lose like most of us do with Michigan and OSU. Its a different intensity. It just is.

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by NittanyAlum02 on Sep 29, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just feel like crap about the game

i don’t feel like creating my own fan post

this sucks

i blame the weather

i blame my wife (not a PSU’er) for leaving at halftime with her friend

i blame my brother for having to work the next day and not being able to put in a full effort

i blame Iowa (for everything)

I don’t pore over boxscores and watch the game on DVR, but just going off of memory alone….I recall two pass attempts over 15 yards, something like 2 for 2 and about 110 yards.

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by hbeach08 on Sep 28, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

don't worry

im getting the giant parachute ready for your dismissal from that ledge…

For the glory

by lionalum05 on Sep 29, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are who we thought they were

but were they the types who can improve as we think they are now?

by Mr. Rosewater on Sep 28, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, the $1,000,000 question.

No way to know. 90% of this mess is an offensive line issue, and we basically have to choose from 7 guys for 5 positions. I’m not sure if the blown assignments or physical weaknesses annoy me more.

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"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does - kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me." -- Terrelle Pryor

by Run Up The Score on Sep 28, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the musical chairs of linemen also annoys me

I can see inserting a freshman half way through the season as he picks up the offense, but juggling in and out kids that have been in the program for 2-3 years make me think that the staff does not have a handle on what their guys are capable of

by cpm126 on Sep 28, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or the guys aren't capable of what they're required to do.

Namely block and snap the ball and not lose entire games.

Deus nobiscum, quis contra?

by chocochuck02 on Sep 28, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They had no choice but to pull Pannell.

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"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does - kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me." -- Terrelle Pryor

by Run Up The Score on Sep 28, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess what I was saying was that my concern

lies more in the fact that the coaching staff did not seem aware that Pannell cannot handle a good DE to save his life.

by cpm126 on Sep 28, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess is that they are aware of it.

My understanding was that they wanted to put in Levi Brown, Jeff Hartings & AQ Shipley but realized their eligbilty had run out.

Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?

by jesse. on Sep 28, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keith Dorney as well

Heard they were thinking of using Bucky Greeley instead of Ship.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Sep 28, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should be physical weaknesses.

Blown assignments can be eliminated with reps. A lack of physical talent won’t be cured on the practice field between now and our next close game.

by jimbo2psu on Sep 28, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why the blown assignments annoy me more

they can be fixed but they’re not being fixed.. yet at least. Physical weakness is something you just have to live with.

by PSUisMyHeart on Sep 28, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a question

Back when we had offensive line issues in 2006 and 2007 we had Tony Hunt. Hunt would pound the ball and get 25 carries a game. He probably averaged 3.5 yards per carry, but he still moved the chains. Late in a close game, he would wear down the defensive front and often he was the difference in those games.

My question is, with all the switching between Royster and Green, are we missing that consistency at RB that allows us to wear down the defense?

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Sep 28, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't think

That using the same back is going to generate a consistency in the running game. I think it’s more of neither Royster or Green being the kind of back that defenders hate to tackle. Hunt seemed to relish trying to run through people, and it wore defenses down late in the game. Royster/Green are elusive, but they’re not going to truck too many people. I’d rather see Royster and Beachum alternate carries and use Green for the slot/screens because he just isn’t getting it done between the tackles. But maybe there’s a reason Beachum is 3rd on the chart.

by jigalion on Sep 28, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There may be something to this.

It would’ve been a great night to have a guy like Tony Hunt in the backfield, but I’m not sure anybody could’ve run well behind that line.

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by Run Up The Score on Sep 28, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we had a Tony Hunt back there, this game may have been a lot different — but only if we committed to the run game early.

I guess what I’m really wondering is: you’re at home, your defense is playing great, and it’s raining buckets out there, so why are we throwing the ball with reckless abandon? Play Joe Paterno football. Run the ball. Punt. Get a stop. Rinse and repeat.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Sep 28, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, Iowa had Tony Hunt

in their backfield and he used up the clock on that last scoring drive.

by confirmy on Sep 28, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

Beachum may not have run well behind there either had he got the chance, but we did have a lead going into the 4th quarter. That would be high time for 3 yards and a cloud of dust, and Beachum seems to be our most capable slobberknocker. I guess.

by jimbo2psu on Sep 28, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is much criticism about the offense getting conservative...

in key moments historically. This team got timid and hesistant. The series that resulted in the saftey was mindboggling. What was the philosophy on that drive? Mount a real drive or get enough room to punt? The first play is a wide run to right seemingly trying to catch Iowa playing a middle run. The next play is a fb dive. Then the fumble play where Clark doesn’t feel the pressure, but the routes seemed to take forever to develop. You could feel the safety coming from the moment the ball was snapped. My rambling point is either stay aggresive and try to mount a drive or run it up the middle three times and punt, but don’t change play to play.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 28, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You could feel that game slipping away

from the second Iowa stopped the 20 play drive. It was palpable, and it was eerie. It was like we (players and fans alike) we’re just waiting for something bad to happen.

Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?

by jesse. on Sep 28, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said it at halftime

We stopped our control of the game after the 1st quarter. I turned to the guy next to me and said that 10 wasn’t going to be enough.

by RNF18 on Sep 28, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Direct quote from a halftime text message

Sent by me to my friend: “This o-line is shit. Would be shocked if we pulled this out.”

It was just obvious. Iowa turned the game in their favor, took our best shot, and kept plugging away until PSU wilted.

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"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does - kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me." -- Terrelle Pryor

by Run Up The Score on Sep 28, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 things told me we were in trouble

They figured out that they could attack us in the middle (LBs) by passing on short routes in which the LBs had to cover a RB or a TE over the middle in our soft cover 2.

We became predictable on offense. Run, Run, Pass. We made their D look better than it was IMO because we allowed them to guess with high accuracy what we were going to run. We kept putting ourselves in predictable passing down situations on 3rd which allowed them to rush the QB and play the pass in the secondary which is what led to the mistakes by Clark IMO.

Lack of adjustments by the staff and poor execution by the team led to this upset.

by RNF18 on Sep 28, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was the 20 play drive the one that ended with a pick, or the one that ended with the missed field goal?

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Sep 28, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

20 play drive..

ended in a made fg. It is the first time I’ve seen a drive that long and felt uneasy about it. If they go up 14-0 it’s over. Instead you could tell Iowa thought, “We’ve seen the best they got and that is it.”

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 28, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think we ever controlled that game, I think we led it for an extended period of time.

Penn State was the team with a flashy offense, Iowa was the one with an offensive line and a running game. I think that was the most frustrating think about the game. As a Penn State fan we’ve seen so many games where a team shows up with a flashy offensive and eventually crumbles. It was like we we’re Boston College playing Penn State.

Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?

by jesse. on Sep 28, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I had no idea we had the ball that long.

Totally shocked when I realized it was a 20 play, 11+ minute drive.

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"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does - kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me." -- Terrelle Pryor

by Run Up The Score on Sep 28, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deja Vu

So PSU lost.

Offense went into a shell and defense tucked into a neat cover 3? Sounds awfully familiar.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Sep 28, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Really don't think you can badmouth the defense on this one

I don’t know that you can count them as really giving up any points whatsoever

by cpm126 on Sep 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I may be alone on this

but I think the D did just fine. The cover 3 didn’t seem to be a huge problem to me, Stanzi wasn’t getting it done and we had to focus more on stopping the clock-killing first downs they kept picking up on the ground.

Offense going into a shell didn’t seem to be the case to me on this either. I think it was more of a case of nothing working because, well, nothing works if you can’t block anyone.

by jimbo2psu on Sep 28, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're definitely not alone.

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by Run Up The Score on Sep 28, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

completely agree

i’ll take that performance from my defense any day

by hbeach08 on Sep 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, I blamed the defense for about 7-10 of Iowa’s points. You can’t blame them for the other stuff, they were just in really bad positions a lot of times (or not on the field at all when it was happening)

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Sep 29, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

It makes me sad just to look at that picture.
DC = sitting duck

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Sep 28, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its almost comical

i assume landolt is blocking someone, LG (?) in downward facing dog, green almost horizontal, wiz on the ground, eliades about to bring the pain to the umpire, RT(?) getting smoked….

poor dc

by Hamulus on Sep 28, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It really does.

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"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does - kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me." -- Terrelle Pryor

by Run Up The Score on Sep 28, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More Questions

What do we do about the O-line? Is it even a remote possibility that we scrap the Wiz-at-center experiment and switch him back to RG? Is it a foregone conclusion that we’d get worse at center if that were to occur? Have we ever made that kind of adjustment mid-season?

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Sep 28, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who plays center then though?

I think the better long term option would be to start mixing in freshmen with promise (if they exisy). I was thinking Shrive at RT

by cpm126 on Sep 28, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just heard Carolina's O-Line apologized to Jake Delhomme

Uh, I think a group of collegiate athletes should do the same.

by Mr. Rosewater on Sep 28, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think lots of credit goes to Kirk Frentz, he doesn't get top talent but does well.

Would be interested to see what he can do w/ PSU, OSU, UM, type talent/facilties

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, GUIDO

by SweepTheLeg on Sep 28, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree. I think when Joe's time is up....

and I am not saying it should be, his name will be much discussed.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 28, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it'd be a good way to kill two birds with one stone

but I’d rather see one of our deserving assistant coaches get the job

by PSUisMyHeart on Sep 28, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I pray that he is

He doesn’t get good players because he is obviously not a good recruiter. That is a problem. And really he rarely has a season that PSU fans would accept – especially from who ever the unlucky coach is that has to fill Joe’s shoes. I was be sorely disappointed to see him take over the PSU job.

We are not normal. We are legends.

by NittanyAlum02 on Sep 29, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read these things out of some form of insanity, I guess.

There are 5-10 D-I players a year graduating from high school in Iowa. There is another BCS school in-state competing for those 5. Whenever one of the 5 is really good, he is recruited nationally. Then there’s UNI fighting for every one of the 5.

Anyway, Ferentz being a crappy recruiter certainly explains why Iowa doesn’t have the horses to compete with PSU.

Mr. Boh Knows ...

by Bellanca on Sep 29, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Iowa State is...

barely a D I school. I would think for every 5 of those recruits Iowa gets 4. If not, then Ferentz is a bad recruiter.

Iowa has PSU’s number. I think you would agree that the expectations, rationale or not, each year at PSU and Iowa are a little different.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 29, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for hanging around...

we really love having you. Please see my comment above about not caring about Iowa though, its simply a fact (and the reason you don’t see me on BHGP commenting – trust me I wouldn’t be there if we won either).

You beat us consistently this is true, and I am certainly impressed by that. I’m not sitting here saying we’re better than Iowa, they got lucky, or any of that crap. You came out, kicked our butts, and went home with a W. Kudos. Really, I’ve got nothing, we are constantly outcoached in this microcosm of a game. But based on total season, rankings, and Big Ten Championships over the past couple years your team as a whole is certainly not as well recognized or nationally respected. If I cared enough I would look up your rosebowl appearances and such but I really don’t so going on memory it seems like its been a while for you, right?

Again, I don’t follow Iowa football, but all I keep hearing is how Ferentz does more with less. That was the argument I was responding to. My conclusion then, is that he is not very good at recruiting if he has the assets of a major university at his disposal and still has to settle. I sort of disagree with the “more with less” premise as it seems like you have a very solid team (though never really a great team) on a pretty consistent basis.

As far as your whining about fighting Northern Iowa for recruits? Give me a break. I can’t even count the number of D1 schools that we have to compete with locally. Actually, in retrospect thank you for proving my point about the stature of your program. If a kid looked at his offers and selected a school like UNI over PSU I think our fanbase would have a stroke. You appear to expect it.

We are not normal. We are legends.

by NittanyAlum02 on Sep 29, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry but

I’ve got to agree with Bellanca here. Ferentz might not be a world beater on the recruiting trail, I actually don’t know how well he recruits, but he’d certainly do a lot better if he was working at Penn State.

Even Joe Pa acknowledged Iowa’s innate recruiting disadvantage when he told Hayden Fry he voted for him as Coach of the Year every year, because Iowa only had 2,000,000 people (3,000,000 now) yet he had 75,000,000 (according to him) within 100 miles of our campus. Not to mention the national respect difference.

Plus, presumably we’d still have LJ Sr. and Bradley who are our heavy hitters in recruiting. It’s not really fair to compare the two situations and I think we’d be just fine in recruiting with him. Though I agree with Rambler and think he’ll probably stay at Iowa, and would like Bradley or LJ to get the job anyway.

by PSUisMyHeart on Sep 29, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Plus, presumably we’d still have LJ Sr. and Bradley who are our heavy hitters in recruiting."

I 100% disagree with this statement. Two reasons this is wrong: 1) after being passed over for the head job, no way either of those two stick around; and, 2) a new head coach typically brings a new staff at pretty much every level of sports. Maybe I am being too cynical, but we almost lost LJ Sr. to Ilinois this year, I will be stunned if he stays after a change in guard that doesn’t involve him getting a significant promotion.

I am not arguing whether recruiting at Iowa is harder than at PSU, I think it probably is. While I think sometimes we overvalue our own recruiting advantage a little (I mean I, like a lot of us, love PSU and can hardly understand why someone wouldn’t want to come here), I certainly agree that the ability to draw kids from a larger region to Pennsylvania is easier than Iowa. I’ve been to Iowa, its certainly gotta be a tough sell.

My real point was more that I don’t think that Ferentz brings enough to the table to warrant the job. I think he is a fine coach, but I’m not really interested in having him roam the sidelines of Beaver Stadium. I don’t know really who does honestly, and I sort of feel bad for whoever ends up with it. Following a legend will be an almost impossible job, at a school that has a fan base that does not deal with mediocrity. A very vocal group (along with our president) tried to run the winningest coach in Div. 1 college football out the door because of a few bad seasons. I don’t think if Ferentz put up the past few years here that he has at Iowa that he would still be here.

We are not normal. We are legends.

by NittanyAlum02 on Sep 29, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's true that we could lose those two

I hope we don’t though. I’m already a little worried about that. Only one of them can be head coach. If Bradley gets it LJ could still leave if he’s not happy with DC.

Anyway, I do think Ferentz is capable of being successful enough for our fanbase here, but obviously that’s only my opinion, which could be completely wrong, and in all likelihood we’ll never know. For the record, I’m not saying he’s the best for the job, but I think he could do it adequately.

by PSUisMyHeart on Sep 29, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

I think we could possibly keep LJ Sr if Bradley moves up and we make LJ Sr. the DC. I’ve never been sold on the idea of Bradley being the head guy but no one really knows how he’ll be until he has the job. Thankfully for us, we don’t have to make that decision. Well, I know I don’t but hmmm…Mr. Spanier?!? haha!

We are not normal. We are legends.

by NittanyAlum02 on Sep 29, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I’d think the job of picking Joe’s successor would probably fall to Tim Curley. I’m not sure who would be worse though… Spanier or Curley? /shudder

by PSUMark2008 on Sep 29, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Iowa has all of three fewer

players in the NFL right now than Penn State. I can assure you that most of the current NFL players from Penn State were 4 and 5 star recruits, whereas the Iowa players were 2 and 3 star recruits. IT’s called coaching.

Look, the resource difference between Iowa and Penn State are vast. Everything from Stadium size (revenue), football resources on-campus, endowment, total enrollment, location (as mentioned above, within 100 miles PSU has 25-1 population advantage), etc. You alum base probably gives more dedicated football funds than Iowa gets totally in development.

Bottom line, if you look at schools that have similar advantages to PSU they are Florida, Texas, USC and Ohio State. At this point, PSU is vastly under performing. It isn’t even an issue. And the national media is on to this.

Besides, Ferentz proves that recruiting is only part of the puzzle. You have to be able to coach. Since PSU joined the Big Ten their resume is almost identical to Iowa. And the last 10 years slightly behind.

In the end, it was the loud Iowa fans in bright yellow clothing that stood out in sad Happy Valley. -- New York Times on PSU's so-called White Out

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 30, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, seriously...

Aside from the point that this

Bottom line, if you look at schools that have similar advantages to PSU they are Florida, Texas, USC and Ohio State. At this point, PSU is vastly under performing. It isn’t even an issue.

is total bs to the point where it doesn’t even deserve a response, why are you still here?

by PSUMark2008 on Sep 30, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That seems like a lazy

endorsement of my argument…and why am I here? I’ll answer that with this question, so you just want people in here who accept whatever you say without so much as a peep? That’s deep.

Look, you can crawl into a cave and watch the shadows on the wall if that makes you happier. Bye, bye.

In the end, it was the loud Iowa fans in bright yellow clothing that stood out in sad Happy Valley. -- New York Times on PSU's so-called White Out

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 30, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"why am I here"

great question since NO ONE cares what you think

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Sep 30, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess my only point is this

You [in pergoritive Iowa fan sense] seem to pop-up every time a Penn State fan says anything short of Iowa is awesome and Penn State sucks.

I can guran-god d@#n-tee you that if the game went the other way, and it was Penn State fans pulling the the same thing at BHGP, your fans response would be much more, intense, I think is a good word.

Just how much longer of a rim job do you need at this point? You won. We’re even being good sports about it for the most part. What are you looking for here?

Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?

by jesse. on Sep 30, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously dude

I can’t speak for the group, but no, I don’t only want people in here who just accept whatever I have to say. But you weren’t responding to anything I said. You were responding to the insinuation that Iowa may not be the most efficient football team ever in terms of what they do with their resources and that PSU may not completely suck.

This is a PSU blog. It’s called Black Shoe Diaries. We’re not gonna rename it “Iowa Is Awesome and We Suck So We Should Just Flagellate Ourselves and Proclaim the Praises of Iowa Diaries” because we lost a game.

And finally, if you want me to blow up your argument, “most of the current NFL players from Penn State were 4 and 5 star recruits, whereas the Iowa players were 2 and 3 star recruits.” is a flat-out false statement. I think you’re overestimating our recruiting ability from the years that most of our current NFL players are from.

And as far as comparing programs, OSU has taken just as much if not more flack than PSU in the national media. We also beat them last year and in ’05. And in terms of programs with similar prestige/resources, you also conveniently left out Michigan, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame. Oh and btw, Boise State and Utah the poster boys of doing less with more as of late – not Iowa. Try winning a BCS bowl since 1959 and maybe people will care.

To echo Jesse, I don’t get it – what do you want? Is this what you Iowa people do? Hang out on other teams’ blogs and heckle them for an entire week after you beat them? That’s real classy. ‘Gradulations. You were the better team on the field. We should have lost because of how we played. You should have won because of how you played. That’s what happened. Now seriously, get the eff over it and move on. You people are worse than scUM fans.

by PSUMark2008 on Sep 30, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guessed

He could be handled. Way to form a front line!

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69

by jtothep on Sep 30, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guys...I made an argument

counter the argument. Instead, you are ripping me personally. FIne. It’s words on a website. I can, I think, handle it.

But I made an argument as part of the thread. Of course it is not a direct response to PSUMark alone…read up the thread. A guys said Ferentz cannot recruit well enough to come to PSU. Well, let’s flesh that out. Another guy seems to suggest that recruiting is about the most important thing in coaching, let’s flesh that out.

You’re being very touchy for no good reason. I realize the borader context of my remarks here. We just beat you and it seems like I am saying this as a dig. No, I am saying this to generate a conversation about the future of Penn State and Iowa football…if Ferentz were to leave Iowa to come to Penn State was the discussion point.

Come over the BHGP, no one will ask you to leave and if they do they’ll get hammered by the locals. I don’t mind people going hard and heavy against my argument but to be upset that I even made one in the first place is crazy. That’s the whole point of these sites. I didn’t write, “Paterno sucks, la la la la,” I actually attempted an arguement.

Look, I can see some of you want this place to be an echo chamber. Fine…I’m out of here.

In the end, it was the loud Iowa fans in bright yellow clothing that stood out in sad Happy Valley. -- New York Times on PSU's so-called White Out

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 30, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, c'mon

Don’t say “I’m out of here”. If there’s one thing I’ve learned from blogs such as BHGP and BSD, it’s that the allure of “[fill in the blank] new comments” is too hard to resist. ;)

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Sep 30, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would stick around if I got a reply...

the sticks and stones stuff is only fun for so long. You tell ’em though.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your opinions aren't....

unreasonable, but aren’t fact. I disagree with Iowa’s success since PSU has joined the B10. PSU has played in the Rose Bowl twice, the fiesta bowl and the orange bowl since joining the conference, going 3-1 in those bowls. In bowl games, PSU has more than held up the conference’s rep. We had some bad years, yes, but I would take PSU’s last 15 years over Iowa’s.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're close

you can argue that PSU’s is better, but it is a beauty argument. Iowa has as many conference titles as PSU this decade. Has won almost the exact same number of games over all. PSu has a better conference record in that time, but not so much better given your superior resources. And when the two teams have played, Iowa has come out on top all but one time. My argument is that PSU’s program has not matched it success before joining the Big Ten. I think PSu is 16-27 against Iowa, Michigan and Ohio State since joining the conference. That is about what Iowa is in that same time against OSU, Mich and Penn State.

I’ll grant you that PSU is a hair better resume. But, shouldn’t it be much better? Or no?

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 30, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Bellanca was arguing

that given all the great recruiting advnatages, and clear advantage in terms of the perceived quality of your recuruits, why are the teams pretty close in terms of on the field results?

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 30, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well....

all the great programs have had lulls. USC wasn’t much through the 80s and 90s. Nebraska has fallen way off. FSU is down. Miami is down. tO$U and scUm weren’t really mnc material in the 80s. From 1966 to PSU’s dark years, you could argue that PSU had few pears in terms of sustained success. Those dark years really hurt the overall conference record, which cannot be discounted.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 30, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope PSU rises again

they have all the tools. They lack nothing in terms of resources. I see again, they will have yet another top recruiting class.

My opinion is you need a new coach. And that will be hard too, because the guy who replaces the guy is never the guy. However, the guy who replaces the guy who replaces the guy (think Urban Meyer) usually is the guy.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 30, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would argue the rise began...

in 2005. PSU will cross the new coach road when it gets there. Though you are right, the guy who follows guy usually doesn’t do to well.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 30, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In many ways, we've needed a new coach for years.

One complaint I’ve had about Penn State over the last 10 years, whether that’s the 3-9 seasons or the 9-3 seasons, is that it seems like three or four coaches are doing the heavy lifting for an entire staff. Joe doesn’t visit recruits anymore. Hasn’t for a while. At most, he’ll do a little “victory tour” at the kid’s high school after he gives a verbal commit to PSU. Galen Hall, pseudo Offensive Coordinator, rarely leaves State College for anything, much less recruiting. So we’re sending Tom Bradley — great guy, great coach — to a kid’s living room and Charlie Weis or Urban Meyer is walking in the door the next night. That’s a problem, and it’s the price we pay for the comfort and familiarity of having Joe Paterno around. So we lose out on some of the elite talent that a younger, more aggressive staff would get given our resources. And 85% of Penn State fans gladly pay that price.

But when you hear PSU fans say things like “why can’t we just reload at [insert position here]”, that’s why.

It’s a constant bargain, but it beats NCAA violations and sleazy tactics.

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"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does - kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me." -- Terrelle Pryor

by Run Up The Score on Sep 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes its a beauty argument...

but a big part of the criteria is playing and winning major bowl games. Iowa hasn’t done that. You can value conference wins and titles, I’ll take major bowls.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 30, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...

your 1-1 in BCS this decade but 3-2 overall in bowls; we are 0-1 in BCS but 4-3 in bowls. We’re out bowling you but have not won a BCS bowl game as of yet.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 30, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The time period

of this discussion keeps switching between since we joined the conference and in this decade so I figure I’ll post the “since we joined the conference” part of the bowl results. Over the last decade it’s definitely a lot closer, but since we joined it’s PSU 9-3 in bowls, 3-1 in the big four. Iowa 6-5 in bowls, 0 -1 in the big four.

Also, I don’t disagree with you at all about us not living up to our recruiting advantages, or that the difference should be larger, but since we joined the Big Ten, PSU is 139-61 while Iowa is 112-84-1. That’s hardly a hair’s difference in resume or a beauty argument. It’s not that dominant but it’s clear who’s been better over the time period. IMO, the decade time period is arbitrary and unimportant compared to overall Big Ten success.

I’d also put forth that without the dark years (yes I know they happened) we’d have similar results to our pre-big ten era, with less sporatic results, aka. pre big ten we’d have some 6-5 8-4 years mixed in with a bunch of 10-2 and 11-1 years, while in the big ten, prior to the dark years we went 10, 12, 9, 11, 9, 9, 10, then after words 11, 9 9 11. So yeah, they’re not that different without the dark years.

by PSUisMyHeart on Oct 1, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Transition

we had dark years too then that must be accounted for….the transition from Fry to Ferentz led to a 1-10 season. It is often true that transitions lead to low win totals. YOu may be in for another dark period when Joe Pa retires. We’ll see how it plays out. Oh, and this decade is the BCS decade, so I don’t see it as arbitrary at all.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 1, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on what the staff looks like...

when he is gone. Iowa’s been good, but not great this decade. PSU has been great, good and God awful this decade.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 1, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've had

three double digit win seasons and three #8 rankings. You’ve had two double digit win seasons and a #3 adn #8 ranking. I would say that is equal to or better…we’ve generated more revenue for the conference sharing certainly. It’s so close it’s really not worth arguing over.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 1, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough...

This is the year where you guys will end up going to the Rose Bowl, beating Cal or Oregon, and the rest of the country (non-B10) discounts it b/c it wasn’t USC.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 1, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Colin Cowherd

claims the Big Ten is the worst it has been in years and “fears” Iowa will beat Ohio State and thus go undefeated and be in the NC game…and then get killed, destroyed.

Can’t win with people.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 1, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sure “hope” you guys beat OSU.

People, they’re the worst.

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Oct 1, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we've done it

3 times since LBJ was prez. So don’t hold your breath.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Oct 1, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Well you’ve got as good a chance this year as there’s been in recent memory.

by PSUisMyHeart on Oct 1, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

you’ve had dark years too. The dark years thing was only about us living up to our pre big ten era, wasn’t using them in the difference between PSU and Iowa statement as there is no reason to ignore them there. I still see the decade as arbitrary. The switch to the BCS didn’t effect anything in terms of how the teams were performing, it’s just an easily distinguishable by humans era to discuss.

As for transition, I’m hoping our current staff is enough to keep the ship running. If not…. well.. /dies

by PSUisMyHeart on Oct 1, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aw

Now you’re making me feel bad. (And I don’t mean that sarcastically.)

I don’t want to be (nor do I have any right/claim to be) on the BSD censor-board. I think all of us are just a little tired of belittling comment after belittling comment from Iowa fans anytime we so much as imply that maybe PSU wasn’t the worst team to ever play football and actually had a shot at winning this past Saturday. It’s gotten old real fast and IMO (and several others’) I think it’s gone beyond good taste.

If you’re here to have a legit conversation and not just searching for comments to fire cheap shots on, then by all means, please continue as far as I’m concerned. But I hope you can understand why a lot of us could be suspicious of your motives.

by PSUMark2008 on Sep 30, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No worries.

I think Iowa fans just want to thier due. For us to drop from the polls after winning game (and this is not your fault of course) was a slap. And we didn’t slip from 22 to 26, we dropped to 30 something. After a WIN. So we are getting a bit tired of not getting our due. What’s worse, coming into the Penn State game we had the third longest win streak in college football and still, until we won this game, no recognition. So we have our own issues.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Sep 30, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

see PSU circa 1994 for winning....

and dropping in the polls.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 30, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What was amazing was that Penn State dropped to No. 2 not after winning over Indiana 35-29, but after destroying No. 21 Ohio State 63-13.

So the polls are, yes, totally ridiculous and always will be.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Sep 30, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't it the Ohio writers that...

did it too? I was 14 at the time. I’ve been a cynic since.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 30, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Michigan and Ohio writers, apparently annoyed that their teams had been beaten, all voted for Nebraska.

Then, of course, they all voted for Michigan three years later.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Sep 30, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Annoyed that PSU was...

dominating the conference in the 2nd season.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 1, 2009 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh, sophomore year. Good times.

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1994/10/10-31-94tdc/10-31-94dsports-12.asp

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"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does - kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me." -- Terrelle Pryor

by Run Up The Score on Sep 30, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This loss sucked

but it wasn’t as bad as last year. Iowa may have been the better team this time. Last year was a whole lot more disappointing because PSU should have been at Miami for the championship game, and we were better than Iowa.

I still think that the Nits can do a decent job the rest of the year. Illinois isn’t that good, Michigan doesn’t have that good of a defense, and OSU doesn’t impress me.

by PABroncofan on Sep 28, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OSU's defense

impresses the heck out of me. I think it’ll allow them to beat Iowa. But their offense is still very much suspect. If we can get just enough offense, at our house, I think we can pull the upset.

That said, from what we’ve seen so far this year (and there’s still a lot of football to be played) I think the smartest prediction is that this year’s OSU game will be much the same as last year’s OSU game, only with roles reversed.

by PSUMark2008 on Sep 28, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First team to 10 wins that one.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 29, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

optimism

I look at it this way, b/c I’m an optimist, if that was the absolute worst, worst our offensive can play (and I firmly believe it is) then we still have a shot. 14 points may be enough to beat OSU this year, and I think that’s a reasonable expectation at home with the talent we have. But I’m not expecting our offensive line to be anything but a disaster this season — that I have no hope for.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Sep 29, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The game was played in a monsoon.....

Yes there are glaring problems on offense and special teams but we really don’t know how bad due to the weather. I agree with RUTS that this week is a crictical game. How a team responds from a loss is important. If they play with a chip on their shoulder and improve, the schedule still lends itself to a decent record. IF they sulk and play like crap….it could be a long road a head. On the positive, we still have a hell of a defense ( yeah it was not the DL’s best game, but the wet field negated a good bit of our speed rush) and if they can keep us in games while the offesne improves, we will be alright.

I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?

by pic15 on Sep 29, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Center

If Wiz moves back to guard, who can play center? Do we even have a back-up for him?

by PartyVan on Sep 29, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

His backup is

an Italian from NJ, Frank Turnstile.

by Screen Name 20 on Sep 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair, Frankie Turnstile was a 7* recruit on Rivals

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"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does - kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me." -- Terrelle Pryor

by Run Up The Score on Sep 29, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You must be confused, that's his cousin

Much better blocker. We can’t get that kind of talent at PSU.

by Screen Name 20 on Sep 29, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too slow

We need to recruit more in the speed states. IMO. Tired of grinders.

DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?

by ReadingRambler on Sep 29, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or not, as the unfortunate case may be.

Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?

by jesse. on Sep 29, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Traffic cone and scarecrow force the rush outside where banana peel slips them up.

by Screen Name 20 on Sep 30, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, I'll gladly turn this one green.

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"Not everybody is the perfect person in the world. Everyone does - kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me." -- Terrelle Pryor

by Run Up The Score on Sep 30, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just read "The Football Letter" and it summed up my pre-game fears perfectly

“As State fell apart in the fourth quarter, giving up three more turnovers, the outcome confirmed the concerns we had when the Lions got complacent and couldn’t score in the second half against Akron, after building up a 31-0 first-half lead. It validated the worries we had about our rushing attack when Syracuse held us to an average of just 2.2 yards on 35 carries, even though our passing attack carried us to a 28-7 victory.”

Check out the link for more: http://www.imakenews.com/footballletter/index000392713.cfm
FYI: If you don’t read these, they provide a decent game (and weather, tailgate, blueband, fans) summary, pics, stats, etc. Also, I think John Black has been writing these since Joe became coach (imagine how old this guy is!), so he often references previous games/seasons. I recommend you check ’em out.

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Sep 29, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1 for the link to the Football Letter

John Black is a Penn State treasure.

by Aaron PSU on Sep 29, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's funny

The Football Letter is positvely atiquated. I mean really, a game review that shows up in my mailbox on the following Thursday? But I still save them all in a binder, I have from 2005 going forward.

I actually started to feel like a grown up Penn State fan once I started getting my own copy.

Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?

by jesse. on Sep 29, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS...

However, If they digitzed them going backwards and made them searchable, the football letter would be probably the most amazing document record of a football team that ever existed. It would be a priceless, amazing, resource.

Where’s the Beer and the Bar-b-Que?

by jesse. on Sep 29, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I visited the Black house and threw the ball around with

John Black (an old backup qb) the day of the OSU game in ’05.

I even told him that we were going to intercept a pass and return it for a touchdown (which almost happened, but whoever got tackled inside the 10). As great as that game was, meeting John Black was the more memorable part of that weekend for me.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Sep 29, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

John Black was a backup when Joe was a coach (at least an assistant, if not a head coach) so he’s not that old. He puts his class number next to his signature I think but I’m too lazy too look right now.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Sep 29, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calvin Lowry?

"He's a beast. But so am I. So let the beasting begin."

by PSUtopia on Sep 30, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Football Letter website has digital archives from 2004 to present

Here’s the link: http://www.imakenews.com/eletra/mod_archive_view.cfm?u=footballletter

Also, if anyone knows where I could older digital copies, please share the info. I’ve always thought that having all of the Letters from when Joe started coaching would be the most awesome PSU football chronicle ever!

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Sep 29, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Penn State Library

I contacted the special collections of the Penn State Library and there response was:

“Our first issue of the Letter is from September 26, 1938. There are a few missing from the early years, but for the most part, our collection is fairly complete. Anyone is welcome to come in and browse them. Also, patrons are welcome to make copies of any issues they would like. If you make the copies, you would need some pocket change (.10 cents per page), a credit card, or a Lion Cash card. If we make the copies for you, it would be at .50 cents per page.
 
Our hours are 8 – 6:30 Monday thru Thursday, and 8 – 5 on Friday. We are closed on the weekends. You don’t need an appointment to come in. If you knew when you were coming, you could email me, and I could have them ready at our Reference Desk for you.
 
Thank you, and have a good day.

So I guess if someone wanted to spend a whole lot of time on that they could get pretty close to the complete collection.

"Wherever you go, Penn State will go with you. You are now a part of her. Her image will be cast in your image. Your reputation will become her reputation."

by noodlebucket on Sep 30, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks noodle

You’re a lot less lazy than I am. Too bad it’s not digitized somewhere. I’d really like to make a collection of all the games Paterno coached in one encyclopedia of PSU football/Joe Paterno greatness. The dream is still alive!
If anybody’s interested, I still have the letters from 1994, including the Rose Bowl issue – which came with a rose scent. Seriously. (Though It probably smells like must after 15 years in my basement.) 25 cents/page. What a bargain.

"The sea was angry that day, my friends." G. Costanza

by NJ lion on Sep 30, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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