Rounding Up: The Cupcakes Stare Back Without Fear
A few Big Ten teams didn't have any problems with their sugary treats. Michigan showed signs of resurgence in routing Western Michigan. Sparty and Northwestern throttled their respective opponents by a combined 91-17. Penn State and Purdue rolled to comfortable halftime margins and cruised to easy victories.
But for the rest of the Big Ten, especially Iowa and Ohio State, it was a little more...tense.
Some highlights from around the conference:
Military Intelligence: According to the Navy broadcast from Columbus, the Middies' epically failed two-point conversion was the same exact play they ran successfully during last season. When the Navy announcers looked over to the Ohio State coaches in an adjacent press box, the coaches were signaling to each other as if to say, "yep, we knew that was coming." It's hard to be too optimistic if you're a Buckeye fan, though. Too many arm tackles on defense, and it's fair to begin wondering if Jim Tressel has any control over Terrelle Pryor. The Navy announcers mentioned that, with Ohio State leading by 15 points, Pryor was stomping around on a 4th and 2 at the Navy 15 with less than seven minutes remaining, demanding that the Buckeyes go for the first down. A 32-yard field goal absolutely ices the game. Tressel is a conservative, bright kind of guy, right? But he elected to go for it, Ohio State got stuffed, and Navy connected on an 85-yard touchdown on the very next play. And I don't even know what the hell this is all about.
Shock Blocked: You'll not find a better recap of the almost-debacle in Iowa City than Oops Pow's effort over at BHGP.
Iowa is expected to rocket up the Top 25 this week, as theirs was easily the top performance in the land this weekend. After all, it's generally agreed that championships are more important than mere bowl games. Northern Iowa plays in the Championship Subdivision, and Iowa in the logically inferior Bowl Subdivision.
Indeed, it was almost Cupcakes Rampaging Your Cities And Womens time for the Hawkeyes, who had to block two last-second UNI field goals. They take on Iowa State on Saturday, and should take heart in the sad, sad fact that UNI finished 21 31 spots higher in the 2008 Sagarin ratings than the Sucklones.
Bag It, Tag It: Tea Time in the United Kingdom is generally between 3-5 p.m. Teabag Time is overtime in the Carrier Dome. Greg Paulus actually played rather well in his first start at Syracuse, until an utterly awful interception on Syracuse's overtime possession. But hey, the Orange looked like a completely different team from last year's squad, so good on them. We'll have more on SU later this week, obviously. As for Goldy, well, not so great. Eric Decker was amazing, Adam Weber struggled (19-42, 1 TD, 1 INT).
Colonel'd: Indiana sure tried to keep Eastern Kentucky in the game on Thursday night, but the Colonels fumbled their best chance away inside the IU five yard line and never could get it back to a one-possession game. EKU is a solid enough FCS team and it's only one game, but you're pretty safe in not expecting great things from the Hoosiers this year.
And By "Most Improved", He Means "Still Crappy": Purdue blasted Toledo, who Phil Steele named as one of his Most Improved Teams before the season (sure, they were 3-9 last year, so there was just a little room for improvement). Also mentioned in the MIT category: Temple, who lost to Villanova last week. Regardless, Purdue was shockingly prolific on the ground, as Ralph Bolden ran for 234 yards and the Boilers ran for 315 as a team. Toledo gave up 535 yards overall.
They're Not Saying "Boo", They're Saying "BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!": Bad Juice showed up for Illinois, and Bad Juice with an injured Rejus Benn is a chronic impending disaster for the Fighting Zookers. Sweet, merciful crap, this game was ugly. Most people were pretty sure that Illinois' defense would be bad-to-awful. It was more along the lines of "pathetic-to-invisible".
Forcier Equals Accuracy: Nothing but candy and flowers for Michigan in their 31-7 win over Western Michigan. Funny what some decent options at quarterback will do for a team. And suddenly, there's a ton of national interest in this week's game against Notre Dame. And there was was this:
MVictors.com: Zoltan Mesko overcooks the Go Blue Banner (via gob1ue)
Which ruled. Gravity cannot contain the Zoltan.
In Scores Of Other Games: Wisconsin 28, Northern Illinois 20; Northwestern 47, Towson 14; Michigan State 44, Montana State 3. I have absolutely nothing to add.
Week Two schedule:

(Credit: Big Ten Network)
Half-Baked Observations About Next Week: Surprisingly interested in a lot of these games. There's added intrigue in Ames, Ann Arbor, Columbus, and even Eugene based on week one performances. Oregon looked pretty awful offensively against Boise. Can Purdue outscore them? No idea what to expect from Iowa-Iowa State. ISU has a surprising amount of success in this series, considering the national reputations of the two programs. Ohio State is probably in trouble. Hope I'm wrong about that, because an embarrassing loss will cement the Big Ten's reputation for 2009.
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UNI finished 31 spots higher than the Cyclones
by PSUisMyHeart on Sep 7, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's pretend that's a typo and not a late-night math error, okay?
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Order your copy of "We Are Penn State", like, now. One team, 128 pages.
by Run Up The Score on Sep 7, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get it I get it
the 2 and 3 are right next to each other, could have happened to anybody.
by PSUisMyHeart on Sep 7, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AAAUUUGH
Dangit, now I’m going to have to start up In Defense of Statistics again just to write up a primer on “how not to use the statistical rankings.”
Sagarin, Wolfe, Massey, all try to rank FCS teams in the same scale as FBS teams. And they all suck. Seriously. I cannot stress how much they suck at doing this. This isn’t a real criticism of the rankings, since you simply can’t do it well at all.
But seriously – look at last year’s final rankings, and you’ll note that the highest ranked team, James Madison, varies from between ranked in the top 25 (!?!) and ranked in the mid-100s (!!) between the three. Let me stress that again – two different rankings ranked a team a hundred spots apart. And mathematically, they’re both sound methods of doing it.
Just ignore the FCS rankings. They suck.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Sep 8, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't complain if you bring back IDoS
it was one of the more enjoyable series for me.
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 10, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that dog
is going to haunt my dreams.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
by psuwxman on Sep 7, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that dog...
is pure magic… awesome clip
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Sep 7, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The original of that video
has the cupcakes as “Eagles Cupcakes”…hence his eyes…
"...big hitter; the Llamma...long..."
by BlueWhiteLife on Sep 7, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome Phish reference by the by...
Does it seem to you guys that the MSM got to work extra early this year SLAMMING the conference? I mean I know OSU, Minnesota, Iowa, and Illinois, etc, etc, etc… but it IS the first week of the season. I mean, other than Holtz somehow trying to talk about how wonderful South Carolina’s performance was in their STUNNING 7-3 win over the Wolfpack I haven’t seen a whole lot of talk about other abysmal performances (Ahem Oregon…).
Not saying we should be getting tons of love, but it sure seems they’re going out of their way REALLY early this time around to bury the Big 10. Just me?
GO BLUE! http://www.maizenbrew.com/
by SCM on Sep 7, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I understand that the Big 10 deserves it’s share of criticism, but it’s out of control.
Big week for the conference-Oregon/Purde and OSU/USC
by speedomike on Sep 7, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Matt Barkley is better than Terrelle Pryor right now.
and thus, SUCK is on the way for the Big Ten.
by jimbo2psu on Sep 8, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SHHHH
You people, with your negative thinking. Remember, this is a completely different USC team from last year, despite the usual back-ups of 5* HS recruits, they lost a ton of starters, especially on D. While almost blowing it against Navy would tend to make you think they’re screwed, I prefer to think they got caught by the triple-option, and were also looking ahead to this week.
I feel dead inside for saying positive things about tOSU, but I want them highly ranked, as high as possible before November.
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 8, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you don't feel this bad

"For me the game wasn’t grounded in reality. It was about the uniform you put on that turned you into a warrior. It was about the mythology of the battle, the victory, the defeat, the struggle." - Mike Reid, PSU '69
by jtothep on Sep 8, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite that bad
I can’t believe those letters are so crisp on those feet, I would have been jumping around. It would have been really tickley.
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 8, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other B10 games
I’m normally in the mindset that I will cheer other B10 teams in their OOC games. But now…meh?
The way I figure it, the B10 isn’t getting two BCS teams this year, and we’re not going to the NC unless we finish the season as the only undefeated team in the country. Honestly, would voters even take us over an undefeated BYU/Boise St? A one-loss SEC team?
Add that to the fact that I don’t actually expect OSU to beat USC, UM or Purdue to beat ND, Minny to beat Cal or Air Force, UW to beat Fresno, etc….and it makes it easy to root against some of the teams I genuinely despise. I dunno, maybe I’m being a cynic, but I just can’t shake the feeling that the rest of the conference is going to let us down regardless. Well, maybe not MSU against ND, but that’s about it.
So yeah, I’m pretty sure my hatred of Pryor/O$U is going to overcome my B10 pride. And I don’t feel that bad about it…
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
by Cpiritual27 on Sep 7, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To add to my last point...
If we don’t get two BCS teams, maybe the conference will actually have a reasonable bowl showing? I think last year if O$U played in the Capital One (and so on and so on), we could’ve had, at worst, a .500 bowl game record.
I’d rather see us smacked around now then smacked around come bowl season. And yes, I know I’m being ultra cynical after just one game…
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
by Cpiritual27 on Sep 7, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, I don't care how many BCS bids we get
We’ll get two if OSU beats USC. Never underestimate the hype OSU can bring.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll likely get two even if they don't
I think the Buckeyes will still be BCS eligible at 10-2, and just maybe at 9-3 (they only have to crack the top 14, after all). And as long as one of OSU, PSU, or Michigan (not that I think Michigan has any real chance this year) is eligible for a BCS at-large spot, the Big Ten will likely get two teams in. They will sell more than their share of tickets, and get TV ratings.
Same goes for the Big 12; if Oklahoma or Texas or Nebraska is available for an at-large spot, they’re getting one.
Despite SEC fans demonstrated rabidity, they generally only get two teams when they send someone to the title game.
The Pac 10 will only get a second team if BCS rules require it, a Pac 10 team goes to the BCS title game, or a top-10 USC team is available as an at-large team. And the ACC and Big East will only get a second team in if BCS rules require it, or if a top-10 FSU or Virginia Tech (for the ACC) or West Virginia (for the Big East) is available and everything else falls into place such that there are few other options.
by drothgery on Sep 7, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a 9-3 tOSU getting a BCS bid is a bit of a stretch
There would have to be some epic sucking going on for the rest of college football for a 9-3 team (non-SEC of course) to get a BCS bid that isn’t automatic.
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 7, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
At-large BCS games are about money. O$U consistently brings the fans, which brings the money, which brings the bids.
by The Mess on Sep 7, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
It’d be kind of pathetic if a 9-3 Notre Dame or Nebraska or Michigan (I’m purposely using teams I don’t think will be BCS eligible at the end of the year here) got BCS bids while sitting at #13 or #14 in the BCS rankings while much higher-ranked teams without the fan base got sent to lesser bowls. But you can definitely see it happening.
by drothgery on Sep 7, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BCS bids
Yeah, I’d be pretty surprised if the Big Ten doesn’t get 2 BCS bids. Maybe if ND and a non-BCS conference gets bids, we might see it (with a Big 12 and SEC team taking the 2 at larges) but it’s unlikely IMHO for an ACC/Big East/non-USC Pac-10 team to take a spot over the second best Big Ten team, even if said team is 9-3.
by Laaaaazzz on Sep 7, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we’re not going to the NC unless we finish the season as the only undefeated team in the country.
I would every penny I have that this isn’t true. If we’re one of two undefeateds left, we will play in the NC game, period. The voters will Pryor and moan, but they’re not going to risk the back lash.
Stop being so damn pessimistic.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
bet every penny I have
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been on this website awhile
And I’m pretty sure the last thing I’ll be confused with is a pessimist. I’m just being a realist.
We all know that the MSM wants to pimp the BXII and SEC right now. If the choice comes down to two of the three: undefeated BXII, undefeated PSU and one-loss SEC, do you honestly think PSU gets selected? As mentioned, I wouldn’t be surprised if an undefeated BYU snuck in over us. It’s the exact same reasons why even though we had just as strong a resume as a team like UF last year, we were never actually considered for the MNC game.
The B10 is experiencing a ton a backlash right now, and a lot of it is deserved! Outside of the ACC, we appeared as the weakest BCS conference. I would love for some of these teams to step it up this weekend, but I honestly don’t see it. I loved how PSU looked, but the other “flagship” teams looked like crap. I call ’em how I see ’em.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
by Cpiritual27 on Sep 7, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Under the scenario you state...
Yes, we would get selected. The backlash (you think the ACC, Big East, and Pac-10 would go right along with that?) would be ridiculous if the SEC team was taken. It would be the end of the BCS. It’s not going to happen.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a pessimist, not a realist.
The rest of this board seems to understand that if there are several undefeated teams…meaning a Texas, SEC winner and/or USC…an undefeated PSU team is odd team out.
However, if the Lions are the only undefeated team, or one of two…they play in the MNC game. If they and BYU or Utah are the only undefeated teams, PSU plays Utah/BYU in the MNC. They will not turn their backs on an undefeated Big 11 team and take a one loss Florida…it just won’t happen.
However, why the hell are we all worrying about this on September 7. Realistically, whether you are USC, Florida, Texas, or Penn State…it is damn hard to go undefeated through 12 or 13 games. So, start arguing this about the first of November.
A pessimist worries that Penn State is going to get screwed if we are undefeated (we may, if there are several undefeated teams…quite frankly an undefeated Big12 and SEC team that has also won a conference championship, is very impressive).
A realist says if, for some zugging reason, we are able to win them all, we will be considered for the MNC…if there are better regarded teams…we’ll lose out.
Root like hell for Michigan and OSU this weekend. They win and part of the problem will be solved.
by PaJoe on Sep 7, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This post is outstanding...
However, why the hell are we all worrying about this on September 7. Realistically, whether you are USC, Florida, Texas, or Penn State…it is damn hard to go undefeated through 12 or 13 games. So, start arguing this about the first of November.
…But this is the best part.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As mentioned, I wouldn’t be surprised if an undefeated BYU snuck in over us.
That would never happen. Ever.
It’s the exact same reasons why even though we had just as strong a resume as a team like UF last year, we were never actually considered for the MNC game.
If we had gone undefeated last year, we would have been in over Florida. It would be the same this year.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perception is reality
Utah last year, and BSU in ‘06. Both teams undefeated, neither team selected for the MNC. Utah in particular had a pretty decent resume last year, and then put the icing on the cake by smoking ’Bama in the Sugar Bowl. The perception, of course, was that a non-BCS conference team has no business in the MNC. But guess what…the B10 isn’t regarded much higher than a non-BCS conference like the MWC!!
I’m sorry, but if you don’t see even a remote possibility where a 1-loss, SEC-champion OMG TIM TEBOW Florida sneaks ahead of us in my scenario, I don’t know what to say. Because Joe won’t piss and moan, but you better believe Urban Cryer will whine and whine and whine. 50/50 at best.
Again, I’m not one to be confused with a pessimist. But if teams like OSU/Iowa/UM wind up choking, the B10 is going to take a hit that will be tough to recover from. You obviously disagree, but the difference is that I’m not discounting your theory, while you completely discount mine. I think you’re being a bit optimistic.
And yes, it’s probably too early to be worrying about all this…
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
by Cpiritual27 on Sep 7, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But guess what…the B10 isn’t regarded much higher than a non-BCS conference like the MWC!!
If this were true, then Boise State would have played Texas in the Fiesta Bowl. Not Ohio State. Apparently we’ve forgotten that there was a bit of a row over that.
I’m sorry, but if you don’t see even a remote possibility where a 1-loss, SEC-champion OMG TIM TEBOW Florida sneaks ahead of us in my scenario, I don’t know what to say. Because Joe won’t piss and moan, but you better believe Urban Cryer will whine and whine and whine. 50/50 at best.
I never said I didn’t see a “remote possibillity”. But it is incredibly remote. So remote that I think worrying about it is pointless. But you knew that already.
You obviously disagree, but the difference is that I’m not discounting your theory, while you completely discount mine.
I discount it because I find it far, far too unrealistic. You didn’t address my point about the other conferences (and their voters). Do you really think they’d approve of being treated as second-class citizens to the Big 12 and SEC?
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rebuttal
“If this were true, then Boise State would have played Texas in the Fiesta Bowl. Not Ohio State. Apparently we’ve forgotten that there was a bit of a row over that.”
Apples to oranges. Voters didn’t really have a say in that game, the Fiesta Bowl committee does. There is no committee which chooses the MNC game.
“But it is incredibly remote. So remote that I think worrying about it is pointless. But you knew that already.”
Probably. My original premise was that I believe we need a perfect storm of events to make the MNC, including big OOC wins by OSU, Minny, UM, etc. Since I truthfully don’t give those teams much of a shot in said games, it seems a bit easier to root against some of the teams I don’t like (OSU, UM). PSU needs to go undefeated either way, and from there it’s clear our opinions differ, which is what we’re arguing about now.
“You didn’t address my point about the other conferences (and their voters). Do you really think they’d approve of being treated as second-class citizens to the Big 12 and SEC?”
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised. As much as some of these voters might hate the SEC, they at least respect them, and this is reflected in the preseason rankings. I believe that due to Jim Delaney being stuck in his old ways, the B10 is quite widely reviled. Perhaps you’ve already forgotten about the “Oh noes, PSU might be in the MNC…EVIL!!!” sentiments floated around before we lost to Iowa last year?
Lastly, I also believe you’re severely discounting that fact that Urban Cryer WILL whine and cry like a little girl to get his way. He did in ‘06 and got his way. He followed in the footsteps of Mack Brown in ’04, who got his way. And well, if Urban decides to start spouting off about how superior the SEC is, who are we to dispute him? They’ve won the past three MNC games, after all (regardless of how much you and I and every B10 fan hate it). Do I believe that will be good for some extra votes from the pollsters? Absolutely.
Undefeated teams have already been left out of the MNC, in favor of 1-loss teams. It’s not without precedent. In no way would I agree with it, I just wouldn’t be surprised by it. I am apparently in the minority, but I stand by my assertion.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
by Cpiritual27 on Sep 7, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wrote another rebuttal, but then I realized that the rebuttal was a collection of points I’d already stated two or three times.

Also, I hope Miami beats the stuffing out of FSU.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunate
I normally respect your opinions and find you to be a thoughtful poster (when you’re not going out of your way to do otherwise, that is). I’ve actually quite enjoyed this back and forth, as it’s always interesting to engage in intelligent debate. That said, you’re being a bit immature and unreasonable here. You posed questions which I answered. Time to move on I guess.
And FWIW, I’ve already used that picture at least twice on here. Not that it ever gets old…
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
by Cpiritual27 on Sep 7, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love both of you and it hurts me when you two fight
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Sep 7, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rambler is my boy
We’re just agreeing to disagree.
No need for anyone to go LeGarrette Blount and get a year-long ban hammer.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
by Cpiritual27 on Sep 7, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I’m just glad you didn’t go crazy and start calling me a “super homer”. That worked for, cough, somebody else. Cough cough.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I normally respect your opinions and find you to be a thoughtful poster.
Snicker.
Snicker.
Snicker.
Bursts out laughing!
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm back from the car
and that last line by Rambler is my favorite so far.
Order your copy of "We Are Penn State" The offseason is long. So is this magazine.
by Kevin HD on Sep 7, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw them and their stupid Tomahawk chop
Arrgh.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FIXED
Screw them and their stupid Tomahawk chop nazi salute
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 7, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all makes sense now
“Sieg heil, er, I mean, dad gum.”
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the choice comes down to two of the three: undefeated BXII, undefeated PSU and one-loss SEC, do you honestly think PSU gets selected?
Yes. The pollsters may be idiots, but they’re not big enough idiots to overlook a 0 in the loss column in a BCS conference. It would be the immediate death of the BCS if they did otherwise.
by SpartanDan on Sep 7, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And pretty much fans every BCS conference school can say this
The only time an undefeated BCS conference school has missed the BCS title game was in 2004, when there were three. The only time a school with the 2nd-fewest losses among BCS conference schools missed the title game was 2007 Kansas, a team that did not win its conference, and lost to a team that had the same record as they did before losing the Big 12 championship game.
by drothgery on Sep 7, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so much worried about the "conference rep" as a whole...
As I am in the situation where it comes down to a debate. Generally speaking, my reasoning has been that if a Big 10 team goes undefeated they deserve to play for the MNC, it seems that now more than ever, the agenda of the MSM is to try to throw a wrench into that equation. I don’t really advocate rooting for rivals and so on and so forth, personally if my team takes care of business then why should anyone else’s performance matter? But we’re starting to reach a point where we need a few “bigger” wins that will at least serve as road-blocks to this kind of “Big 10 downgrading” that we’ve been seeing recently.
No need to root outside of your team (I usually don’t either) but I do think that there’s definitely a prevailing view that says jump on the Big 10 early and often to keep em down, even if one or two teams manages to come out of that conference at 12-0 or 11-1.
Sorry, I know I’m being wordy here, but it’s kind of a vague notion I’m getting at.
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by SCM on Sep 7, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a similar feeling
and I could almost (almost) see a lot of people looking at 12-0 PSU and 12-1 SEC or Big XII team and then saying “well the Big 10 is down, and PSU played absolutely no one in OOC (even if Akron wins the MAC, Temple finishes 2nd in the MAC, and Syracuse wins the Big East, while directional Illinois wins the FCS), so they don’t deserve to be in”. I still don’t think it will happen, though.
by The JuggerNitt on Sep 10, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts on the other conferences
I was not at all impressed by (8) Ole Miss or (11) LSU this weekend, Ole Miss played terrible offense, with their ZOMG SEC SPEEEED being kept in check most of the day by Memphis (C-USA). Snead looked rough until the end of the game, and the score was within 3-10 points until late in the game. Meanwhile LSU really struggled with Washington who hasn’t won a game since 2007. Georgia lost to Oklahoma St and only scored 10 points against a mediocre OSU defense.
I think the SEC is over-rated this year, but with so many teams in the top 15 preseason rankings, its inevitable Florida and Alabama will be #1 and #2 by November.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Sep 7, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Truthfully, (if we (or Ohio State) go undefeated) I think we're good
The OMG ESSS EEEE CEEE can only produce one undefeated (and Florida hasn’t had an undefeated season yet), USC will likely have their inexplicable loss (if they don’t lose to Ohio State), and I’m hopeful Texas will go down at some point.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to mention
I doubt any team from the ACC or the Big East would jump us. The media has no love for the Big East (especially with WVU down), and the ACC just took a brutal beating on this past weekend.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if USC does lose to tOSU
USC still is up for their inexplicable loss in conference play. It’s essentially an unwritten PAC10 rule.
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 7, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this will not happen, tO$U will bite it again
Lucky gun, fake fifth, 8XY bitch
Daryll Clark
by letsgopsu on Sep 7, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t have a very good feeling about that game.
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the final score is, like, 3-2
DO YOU HAVE PRIDE, DANNY?
by ReadingRambler on Sep 7, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not
It’s happened a few times (2003 Cal, 2007 Stanford, and arguably 2006 UCLA depending on how much credence you give ‘rivalry game weirdness’). But Carroll’s also had two undefeated regular seasons, and others where his Pac 10 losses were to top-25 teams on the road, which isn’t some sort of bizarre thing, even for a heavy favorite.
by drothgery on Sep 7, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was just a joke
We really do need a sarcasm button.
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 7, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Sometimes I get a little too quick to respond to things like that in my quest to remind eastern fans that they do play some good football in the Pac 10, to remind western fans that the MWC is not as good as the Big East, and to remind all non-Pac 10 fans that inability to beat USC and Ohio State losing a couple BCS title games does not mean the Big Ten sucks.
by drothgery on Sep 7, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are forgiven
I do not deny that there are good Pac 10 teams, it’s just that one of them annoys the hell out of me.
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 7, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
YES
how ’bout…S
"...big hitter; the Llamma...long..."
by BlueWhiteLife on Sep 7, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the SEC is over-rated this year, but with so many teams in the top 15 preseason rankings, its inevitable Florida and Alabama will be #1 and #2 by November.
This is why preseason polls need to die a horrible death. Alabama last year beat “#9” Clemson, “#3” Georgia, and “#16” LSU … teams that finished 7-6, 10-3, and 8-5 respectively. They got credit for wins over three ranked teams, including two top-10 teams, when they really had one win over BCS #15. Meanwhile, Utah had wins over BCS #11 and #16 as of the end of the regular season. I do not see any justification for having them ahead of Utah even before the SEC title game … and yet they were ahead even after losing the title game. Why? Because their early-season opponents were horribly overrated, and they got credit for beating much better teams than they actually beat.
by SpartanDan on Sep 8, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That dog...
is freaking me out. Not much learned about PSU, B10 or anyone else during week 1 other than, Illinois is still Illinois. tO$U always looks medicore in those non-conference games at the shoe. For the sake of PSU and the B10’s rep (fairly or unfairly) they better not get their doors blown off this week.
by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 8, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Early Lines for next week B10 v P10
USC -6.5
Oregon -12
by mbailey71 on Sep 8, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know it's Purdon't, and they're in Oregon
but -12? I predict even if they do win, it’s close like it was last year. Purdue sucked last year big time, but took the Ducks to OT.
I’d say the same for USC as well. They haven’t proven themselves yet to me.
by dawsonPSU10 on Sep 8, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm pretty surprised at it still
also Minny -4 @ home vs air force looks off to me.
by mbailey71 on Sep 8, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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