The Obligatory "Daryll Clark Legacy" Post
by smashtheguitar on Jan 2, 2010 6:25 PM EST
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I was going to post this whether Penn State won or lost in the Capital One Bowl, mostly because I think it is worth considering what Daryll Clark has meant to Penn State over the last two years.
Clark came to Penn State alongside 5-star recruit Anthony M******. After bringing up his grades at a prep school and playing backup to QB #14, Clark's first big showing came during the 2007 Alamo Bowl, where he ran for 50 yards and a touchdown on six carries.
After battling with a very talented Pat Devlin, Clark earned the starting QB slot in 2008, nearly leading the Nittany Lions to a MNC game and putting up a fight against an extremely tough USC in the Rose Bowl.
The 2009 regular season brought with it an inexperienced O-line and a long string of bad decisions, but ended on a high note with a victory over SEC staple LSU. But despite the two tough loses against Iowa and OSU, it's important to remember what Clark brought PSU over his career in blue and white.
Not including his work in the Capital One Bowl, Clark takes with him several Penn State football records:
#1 in career touchdown passes (42)
#1 in season touchdown passes (23)
#1 in season passing yardage (2,787 yards)
#1 in season touchdowns responsible for (31)
#1 in career touchdowns responsible for (64)
Not too shabby, considering his rough performances in some of his "big" games.
Overall, we as Penn State fans must remember Clark for who he was as a person, and not just who he was on the field. We never heard him say how much he idolizes people like Michael Vick, never heard him blame his O-line or coaches for losses, never saw him posing for photos in front of a Corvette (I hear he sports a 1998 Chevy Lumina) and I doubt we've ever seen another Penn State player with more passion for his team than Daryll Clark.
In the end, Clark takes with him a degree from The Pennsylvania State University, which is much more valuable than winning any meaningless football game. He was never the greatest quarterback, but he never was the guy that I was embarrassed to have representing my team. In fact, I'm extremely proud of him as a player and as a human being.
Best of luck to you wherever you go, Daryll. Many of us will miss you.
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+1
He cemented his legacy as a top 5 QB at Penn State all time
And Brought us back to “very good” football power status, not just a 1 year blip..
Robinson
Collins
Blackledge
Fusina
Hufnagel
Richie Lucas
Then you have the Clarks and the Saccas, but the above were All-Americans or Maxwell winners. Clark’s a level below.
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Robinson at the top? Really? Wow.
I mean, he was cool and all, but, wow.
by smashtheguitar on Jan 1, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Those guys were
in no specific order. But Clark doesn’t compare to those 6, in my opinion. You could rearrange those guys back and forth, but they’re the ones that ought to always be remembered as the best we ever had.
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I was gonna say....
ok, since they are in no particular order I am ok with that now
/holstering weapon
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Jan 2, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
actually
they’re pretty much in reverse chronological order, and then the old guys in order of when I remembered them.
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I can respect that...
Collins was so much damn fun to watch. And Blackledge was great, as well. Thing about those teams is there was a different level and type of talent throughout the whole team. Our 86 NC team just gave me a different feeling of pride when they won it all and the 94 team got robbed so hard it damn near killed me.
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Jan 2, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever
Today is Daryll’s day.
He’s a top tier Penn State football player, he didn’t earn it today. He proved it today.
Just keep swimin'...
by jesse. on Jan 2, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Look
I’m not going to bash Daryll here, because he had one hell of a final drive, and he, for the first time in his entire career, responded to adversity. But he simply doesn’t compare to the others, who were All Americans and Maxwell Award winners and Heisman candidates. Was he a great QB for us? Yes, but let’s not pooh-pooh some of these other greats to boost up Daryll.
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I do not think anyownis dismissing the greats but just congratulating a great ambassador of the program
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Jan 2, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
forgive the spelling cold medicine sucks
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Jan 2, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
As a quarterback,
you really can’t put MRob in the same class as those other five guys. Robinson was one of my favorites to watch, but in terms of ability to play the position, he was really no different than Clark. But he was an absolute warrior on the field, and one of the best leaders we’ve ever had.
I suppose it is whatever you weigh more.
IMHO DC is a better “QB” than M-Rob was. As in pure passing, traditional QB type stuff. However, M-Rob was just an all around amazing athlete and had the heart of 12 men. So I guess it is really all in how you define stuff and all the semantics and the whole bit.
I love them both to death and they will never be forgotten by me. How could you watch DC today, see how much it clearly meant to him, how he left his heart on the field and dismiss it? I dunno. They are different types of players, they should be cherished.
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"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
MRob
Yeah, I really don’t get the MRob fascination. I mean, fantastic guy, wonderful leader and excellent runner. But as a QB? When it comes to actually throwing the ball, MRob actually left a lot to be desired. He was an interception machine for the first half of 2005 and there were a ton of folks calling for Morelli given how bad Robinson was playing.
I think the Northwestern game in 2005 gets MRob a lot of cred for his comeback while it ignores that the main reason we were losing in that game was because Robinson was just awful in the first half. If he actually played well all game, we would have blown them out like we should have. Or, alternatively, if NW 2005 were as good a team as Iowa 2009, we would have lost by 3 scores that game and we wouldn’t have gotten a Big Ten title.
I think MRob get an absurd amount of “extra credit” for leading us out of the dark years when his actual performance wasn’t as notable. He’s was a fine QB for us and I’m proud he donned the Blue and White, but he is a few notches down in the discussion of best PSU quarterbacks.
by Laaaaazzz on Jan 2, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
MRob was an amazing Penn Stater and will always be one of my favorites, but he was a sub-par QB. I really suspect that many of those downplaying Darryl’s play were the same ones screaming for QB14 throughout the first 2/3 of the 2005 season.
Nobody here is decrying MRob’s gaudy stats against Illinois. Likewise, I think after a year or two of QB struggles, we’ll be looking fondly back on what DC17 did for us.
Perhaps the most overlooked record
that DC set at Penn State is the completion percentage mark. He completed over 60 percent of his passes in his career, and shattered the school record previously held by Collins (56.7 percent). In Robinson’s career, he didn’t even complete 50 percent. Again, I’m not disparaging Robinson. After all, he was one of my favorites Penn State players of all time, but he just isn’t a top 5 quarterback at Penn State. And I agree 1000 percent about the credit that Robinson gets as opposed to what he deserves for 2005.
No John Scheaffer?
23-1 as a starter. Played for two national championships. Won one. Wasn’t a stat guy, but almost always found a way to win. The ultimate game manager. The ultimate winner. Isn’t that what it’s all about?
Hey..
Chuck Burkhart went 22-0 during 68-69 with godawful numbers too, don’t be hatin on Burkhart.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
Burkhart after the '70 Orange Bowl:
“Yeah, you boobs, you don’t believe it, do you?”
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Addressed to the media
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
wait, Erin Andrews was the sideline reporter for the 70 Orange Bowl?
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 3, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
-1
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 3, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I originally had Shaffer in there
but realized he wasn’t actually very good. Same goes for Chucky.
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That's utter crap.
John Shaffer was awesome. He was Ricky Stanzi without the interceptions.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Without interceptions?
Then how in the hell is he anything like Ricky Stanzi? Stanzi wouldn’t be able to carry Shaffer’s jock.
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"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Try again
Robinson wasn’t an All-American nor Maxwell Award winner. In terms of awards and accolades, Robinson’s probably a slight notch below Clark – Robinson was second-team All-Big Ten, Clark was first-team All-Big Ten, Robinson was just on the Maxwell watch list, Clark was a semifinalist – though, to be fair, Robinson finished 5th in Heisman voting, whereas Clark wasn’t exactly anywhere near – I think that had more to say about how crowded the Heisman field was in 2005, though.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Jan 2, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
If Daryll Clark had 1/2 the poise MRob had
We’d be talking about how great it was to come off consecutive big ten titles, with a national title game appearance a year ago.
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No one's disagreeing with MRob's poise, heart, grit, leadershop, etc.
People are just saying Clark is a better passer. Mechanically and numbers wise. That doesn’t mean MRob sucked at all. I think they were both great for different reasons, and that is what people are trying to point out.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
BUT
In today’s age, just okay QBs like Tim Tebow with OMG JESUS CHRIST’S TWIN BROTHER TIM TEBOW heart are just awesome to the media (see, Tebow’s LSU game). At some point, even the retarded media steps back from stats and looks at what a team does, and what a player does to ensure that his team wins. I realize this we’re talking about only 4 years ago, now, and this statement is an indictment of the douche media’s hate of the Big Ten, but the fact remains. MRob and Tebow were the EXACT SAME type of player.
And please don’t get me wrong – on the sheer heart and determination level, Tebow doesn’t touch MRob. MRob would break his collar bone, knee, achilles, etc., just as he did with that other kid.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Somewhere, somehow the most forgotten
and most underrated QB in Penn State history, Tom Shuman, deserves at least honorable mention. Forget stats, he was a solid leader on and off the field.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
When did "Shuman" play?
I remember Tom Sherman as JoePa’s starting QB in ‘66,’67…before Burkardt. He also kicked EPs and FGs. He was a good QB and athlete.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
Thanks
I was living in Indiana in those years and didn’t remember Shuman. Back then, in Big 10 country, you got very little info about Penn State. Usually only one game was on per year. So I never saw Shuman (or Cappy for that matter) play much.
If you QB an undefeated team, you should be mentioned positively in a list of QB’s.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
1973.
That was Cappelletti’s senior year. Had Hartenstine, Crowder, Buttle, O’Neil on Defense. Get this…we returned 2 punts,1 kick off for a TD and 3 interceptions for TD’s.
Beat LSU in the Orange Bowl. Only finished #5 because of a weak schedule!
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
nicely stated
Overall, we as Penn State fans must remember Clark for who he was as a person, and not just who he was on the field
this
battez la merde des tigres LSU
by letsgopsu on Jan 1, 2010 7:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
Victim of his own success
When the offense clicked during DC’s career, we blew teams away, and so he never got to lead clutch comeback drives. It’s true that we beat a lot of terrible teams from 08-09, but NW in 05 was terrible too, and Robinson’s comeback is part of his fondly remembered legacy. Would we remember Clark differently if we’d had a back-and-forth battle in Michigan this year that he pulled out at the last minute?
and so he never got to lead clutch comeback drives
Ummmmm…..
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 1, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Poorly phrased.
But Iowa this year was the only chance he would have had to do so.
Anyone remember Iowa last year?
Remember that time when we would have gone to the National Championship last year, but we were losing, and someone was given the chance to lead us in a come back drive, but then he threw an interception and totally blew it because he’s vastly overrated? What was his name again?
I'm not sure you could say vastly overrated
anyone that knows Penn State football wasn’t expecting Clark to be a reincarnate of Collins. And you’re going to say that he totally blew the Iowa game?? So I’m assuming I was blackout drunk the whole game and I don’t remember our defense shutting down Shonn Greene and Iowa’s offense.
Ok, probably not vastly
Still not a good performance by DC
agreed
I agree with you that DC isn’t the best quarterback in America, and at times people were expecting too much out of him. He’s definitely not a come-from-behind QB, but because of those concussions his bread and butter was taken away from him (running ability). I’m just thinking of some NFL examples in that regard: McNabb blew the one season when he had all those injuries and took away that running threat, and Big Ben would be nowhere near what he is. It’s hard to turn a running quarterback into a drop-back passer
Iowa last year....
We had the game in hand…we were up nine and Clark had done OK in very tough conditions. We let Iowa back into that game. That’s what made it so difficult to take.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
Clark wasn't on the field at Iowa last year when Iowa was driving
and flagged for pass interference. Clark wasn’t playing prevent defense. Clark got us a nine point lead going into the fourth. To me, the defense blew that game. Period. The same thing with Iowa this year. In shitty conditions, Clark managed to get us a lead going into the fourth. Clark’s punt wasn’t blocked. Clark wasn’t throwing to himself (he’s not Zug) and having the passes bounce off of his hands. No, there was a lot of blame to go around for losing to Iowa both times.
Clark didn’t fumble against USC and allow them to drive for their 24th points of the second quarter, effectively killing any chance of winning.
Ohio State whipped our ass. Period.
But Clark did throw the interception
that led to Iowa’s winning drive. Clark just had a bad game in windy conditions, that’s all. Despite a lot of things being in Iowa’s favor, we were winning the game in the 4th quarter. Darryl sailed one over the middle right into the arms of an Iowa DB and the rest is history. Doesn’t make Darryl any less of a player IMO. He threw a bad pass at the worst possible time, yeah, but still a great player.
We led until the clock hit :00
There was no potential comeback drive in that game.
there was an "ice the game" drive
and Derrick Williams completed more passes than Daryll Clark on it.
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It's Daryll Clark's fault that the coaches put Williams in because Clark was concussed.
I mean, you are eventually going to blame Clark for concussing himself, right?
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 3, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Nope
Clark said he didn’t have a concussion. Did he? I don’t know, but he has gone on the record and said he didn’t.
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i think clark caused the financial meltdown by promoting bad morgages.
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George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Jan 3, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Iowa was the only one
there were a couple games that got out of hand that were definitely winnable, but at the same time we went 11-2 in his two seasons, so should we really be complaining?
I *HATE* the "big games" argument against Clark
Wisconsin and Michigan State were both very big games at the time. Wisconsin ended up 3-5 in the conference, so that proved not to a very good win after the fact, take that however you want.
But EVERYBODY forgets how Michigan State was playing on the last week of the season for the Big Ten title in Beaver Stadium, and got blown out of the water by Daryll Clark’s 341 yards and 4 touchdowns through the air and a rushing TD to boot. I think people tend to classify “big games” as only the games we lost, which were mostly due to immesnse pressure on whoever would’ve been behind center from opposing D-lines.
Big Games
But if one wants to argue “after the fact” that Wisconsin 2008 was not a big game because the Badgers ended up slumping, that’s fine. But by that definition then, Oregon State was a big game (ended up ranked, including defeating a supposedly undefeatable USC team) and we absolutely torched the Beavers behind Clark.
You can’t really have it one way or the other.
it is hard
since at the time if a team is overrated, it is a “big game” mentally, whereas if a team winds up being good after the fact it is a “big game” because they were actually good.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 4, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with the off-the-field stuff.
This kid can speak eloquently (unlike so many of his counterparts), does not embarrass our school with stuff like murder-support, and he is not reckless with his mustache (unlike certain #43 LBers). God Bless him for his quality, and I don’t mean as a qb.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Jan 1, 2010 7:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
All I know is
Clark helped to bring us two big wins against Michigan (despite how bad they are), an exciting win in the shoe last year and another JoePa bowl win against the SEC. He certainly had his foibles, but I love those wins.
by smashtheguitar on Jan 1, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
That was a joke though...
When he’s in front of a podium, he’s eloquent.
And do you really think Vince Young knows what “chisel” means?
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
In thinking about Penn State QB's
I would rate them as 1. Kerry Collins 2. Todd Blackledge
and then several that you could arguably rate 3-5, and Clark belongs in that group. The 2008 season was better than all but about 6 – 8 seasons in the history of Penn State football, and now with this win over LSU even 2009 was probably better than any of the years from 1997 – 2004, and ‘06 & ’07. Clark’s outstanding play was the reason many of his wins were blowouts. He’s the kind of player that makes me happy to be a Penn State fan – “may no act of ours bring shame.”
I'd have to go
Collins, Blackledge, and frankly, Robinson at #3. He was critical in the recovery.
After that, throw in Fusina, DC, etc.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
An all-time great Penn Stater in all respects
both on and off the field.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
What about?
Before, during and AAAAFTER the game.
DC17 is the man
He cared. He got it. He was a good leader and was tough. He beat michigan twice, OSU once, and he beat LSU just now which kicks ass!
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Beat OSU??????
You either didn’t watch that game or just don’t remember it very well. DC17 played horrible in that game. The defense won us that game and the biggest throws of that game were made by Pat Devlin. Also, Clark has never started against a good Michigan team.
Clark’s numbers in his 6 biggest games are pathetic: 84/174, 1019 yards, 4 tds, 7 ints.
(2 games against Iowa, 2 games against OSU, 1 game against USC, 1 game against LSU)
I think Run Up the Score said it best about Clark back in December, “a lot of gaudy numbers against some awful defenses”
Even though he was a great person who never acted like a hood rat, I’m always gonna remember him as a QB who tore apart the scrub teams and came up small when it really counted.
They all count.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 2, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
LSU = scrub team
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Why do all PennLive posters seem to have such similar screennames?
Three letters and then part of their social security numbers. Why is this?
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah! I SO wish we had QB #14 back!
Seriously. I’ve never seen anyone hate on some college kid more than some PSU fans. It’s a sad state of affairs and its embarrassing.
by smashtheguitar on Jan 2, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are Homers
Just because Clark was better than Morelli doesn’t mean he was good. I mean Clark beat some mediocre teams but the fact of the matter is that Clark had chances to shine in big games and he blew it. That’s really all there is to this argument.
But I guess since he put up such big passing numbers, I’m sure I’ll be proven wrong on draft day.
It's just hillarious that you actually post the exact same thing as that "brd5645" or whatever his name was.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
And it's also hillarious...
To watch you refuse to give up on your pre-conceived notions. Yesterday wasn’t a big game. LSU is a scrub team. Etc.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Did we always have this problem in this country?
Is it a modern issue, refusing to let pre-conceived notions of “[fill-in-the-blank] can’t do [fill-in-the-blank task]” die after [fill-in-the-blank] did [fill-in-the-blank task].
I mean, my word, you’re as bad as posters I’ve seen in political flame wars.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
What preconceived notions are you referring to?
No hyphen needed
I prefer it with the hyphen.
fact of the matter is that Clark had chances to shine in big games and he blew it
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Homers
If loving your school and your team even when they aren’t that great is being a homer, then yes, many of us here are homers. These are college STUDENTS, not pro players.
And besides, your draft day remark is just as lame, considering Tebow was one of the greatest players in college football and isn’t expected to make it big in the draft. That’s why guys like him and Clark get college degrees — you know, the real reason they go to college and all that.
by smashtheguitar on Jan 2, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Good point
These are 19/20/21 year old students.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
I find it funny how you rip on Morelli
and then state:
I’ve never seen anyone hate on some college kid more than some PSU fans
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
Devlin only attempted
one pass against OSU, and didn’t complete it. (the pass interference penalty. So, no Devlin did not make the biggest throws of that game.
and the biggest throws of that game were made by Pat Devlin
You mean that lone incomplete pass? Yeah, that was pretty slick.
by smashtheguitar on Jan 2, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
sucked that kid right into a PI call
he executed that play to perfection
/ahem
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Jan 3, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
plus
clearly uncatchable ball. Shame the refs forgot that rule in Iowa city.
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HEY JTOT! GET A LOAD OF THIS ONE!
He’s almost as bad as RUTS!
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 3, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
What?
Devlin’s ball was 10 feet over Butler’s head, and the pass interference against Iowa was even worse—the ball wasn’t quite as poorly thrown, but Scirrotto was at the spot first, and, if anything, there should’ve been a call of OPI
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You are just like RUTS. You might even be RUTS.
You guys need to learn how to measure feet.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 3, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we've covered this
But apparently ppl are free to see what they’re free to see. College football as Interpretative Dance I suppose.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
No, that was totally Devlin.
/revisionist’d!
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 3, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
I love the revisionist history regarding Clark's "big games"
Oregon State was a big game. Wisconsin on the road at night was a big game. Michigan State to clinch the Big Ten title was a big game. Any game against Michigan is a big game.
Exactly
And Iowa wasn’t a big game until we lost. Illinois was ranked when we beat them at night at our place.
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"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Iowa 2008 I mean
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"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Oregon State was coming off a loss to Stanford.
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if you told anyone at the stadium
that they were going to beat USC, you’d be summarily laughed at. They did not show up to play at all that game.
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Oh, so *now* he's making excuses for USC.
At least we know we won’t feel as dirty as you will.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
"You either didn’t watch that game or just don’t remember it very well. "
Whatever dude. Your post did nothing to dispute my statements. I have very low opinions of many players for our team and others. I choose to have a good opinion of 17.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
yeah, Clark didn't have an amazing game, but he definitely didn't play horribly
We went in with a very conservative gameplan, and he executed it fairly well, considering the plays that were called. He wasn’t scoring at will, but I don’t recall him doing anything negative, either. And Devlin was as responsible for that scoring drive as, say, Wiz was (and probably even less, since Wiz was actually blocking for Royster, while all Devlin did was hand off, outside of the one overthrown pass that got a PI call for us)
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 6, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
my opinion
Clark sure didn’t screw up the 2008 O$U game. And he didn’t screw up the Rose Bowl either. The secondary and getting both our backs knocked out did that.
The fist pump picture says it all. The first time I saw that I knew it was iconic and obviously many agree with me. We were very concerned about wiscy last year and we went to their place and kicked their ass. Same with MSU last year. One of the reasons they looked so bad was because 17 scorched them.
I’m proud to be a Nittany Lion just like Daryll Clark.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Jan 8, 2010 7:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Im sure everyone saw Clark display all of that emotion after the game… this meant the world for him and it was great seeing him pull it out like that. He was always a class act on and off the field. Congrats Clark, you deserve it!
Thank You!
Thank you so much for this! DC17 has been one of my favorite players to don a Penn State uniform this decade (although it’s a rather crowded list). He has done so much for this program and it has always bothered me how much some of the so-called “fans” on this site bash him. He struggled in a few games, but he had a spectacular career, and two 11-win seasons.
After the winning drive I actually thought about how BSDmike was probably the only BSDer not happy with the outcome of this game.
DC is a winner
DC is a winner on and off the field because of his hard work and dedication. Clark’s biggest flaw was probably that he cared TOO much. His work ethic, team-first attitude, and eloquence should be a standard that future players strive to achieve. Good luck at the next level Darryl!
The game was in the balance
We had the ball. All I said was how happy I was the Daryll Clark got the chance to put this legacy shit to rest.
Beat LSU
by jesse. on Jan 1, 2010 11:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Amen Brother.
I really touched me to see how much this clearly meant to him and to the rest of the guys.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Today
was one of those days that NFL fans don’t get. In every respect it was week 16 and nothing was on the line. Except for some reason a bunch of kids that don’t make two million dollars a year showed up and played their f#$kin’ guts out in a swap.
I think that bowl games define a teams legacy. It’s who they are, because it’s so easy just to take your $400 Best But gift card and mail it in. If they show and play, they do it for pride, and nothing else.
We’re spoiled by what Joe Paterno gets out of these kids in bowl games.
Just keep swimin'...
by jesse. on Jan 2, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
+1 for the NFL stuff, it's the best thing about the college game
and yeah, I’ll really miss Joe Pa for bowls, though, also for many more important things as well.
I'm pretty sure someone has to leave before you can miss them
(on a tangent, my ex-gf would drive me nuts telling me she missed me when we’d spend more than 5 minutes apart)
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 2, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Thank You DC
for being one of the classiest players and young man to represent PSU…He did us proud and I’d be willing to say that when we do hear from or about him in the future, it won’t be in the scandal sheets or the funny papers…he carries himself so well and that will never change for him…he’ll always be welcomed back with fond memories.
DC...
best PSU QB since Collins. Is it August yet?
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 2, 2010 10:26 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thus begins the 8 months where I am dead inside.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
No
First of all, the B/W Game in April is going to be huge, and second of all, don’t hate on MRob.
NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.
He wasn't "hating" on Robinson
It’s an opinion. An opinion that – while I don’t necessarily agree with it – could be backed up by statistics.
"Jamelle Cornley is 6’4", and 6’3" of it is balls." - RUTS
by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
MRob was great...
but he wasn’t the QB DC was. MRob was a better leader, but that is post for another day.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 2, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
How does this Highlander "There can only be one!" logic work?
Maybe both were pretty good? To say DC was pretty good is disrespectful to MRob? This is silly logic, and the statistics do back up that assessment. Not to mention Clark never had a Tony Hunt, and this season he didn’t have the smurfs or an offensive line. To detract from what he accomplished at Penn State is the “hating” here.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
The o-line was questsionable but Clark never had Tony Hunt? He had Royster who will end up being our All-Time leading rusher.
Look, I love me some Royster
But to act like being the all-time leading rusher means you’re the best ever is deluded. There’s tons of great PSU RB’s that didn’t get what Royster did, that is, 4 years. By your standards, we should be discussing Sacca and Mills as best ever.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
RB
Yeah, Hunt was a fine back, but I don’t see enough of a difference between him and Royster to think that would have a huge impact for MRob versus Clark.
I do agree with the difference in O-line and the WRs (at least for 2009 Clark) in comparing the 2 QBs.
rfc5014 = Poor Man's JoeNo or FletchPa or TroutBum or...thank God I can't remember anyone else from that hole
"Jamelle Cornley is 6’4", and 6’3" of it is balls." - RUTS
by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
whoa...
why’d you have to go and bring back those awful memories? reading those names just shot icewater down my spine
/shudder
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Jan 2, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I know.
"Jamelle Cornley is 6’4", and 6’3" of it is balls." - RUTS
by ReadingRambler on Jan 2, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I’m going to keep posting my opinion until people buy into it.
At rallies, I believe that yelling the loudest gives me the most credibility.
rfc5014, a well-reasoned argument builds respect. Repeatedly posting the same, or largely mimicking others, makes you look like a tool.
Back to your shed, my friend.
by MainLion on Jan 2, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Clark really was a great pickup
He’s definitely an All-American OFF the field, which is something Joe really wants from his players; you can’t put stats on his interviews, post-game comments, or classwork which he has excelled in. I don’t think any of us are going to say he’s an all-american QB, but we really can’t deny that he was a good player. Sure, there’s a lot he could’ve polished up on on the field, especially because his main asset was taken away from him- his running ability because of concussions.
And if anyone is ready to rip DC a new one, they have a really short memory. I remember a QB who’ll go unnammed who came into Penn State with Rivals’ five stars up his ass. Came into the program with arrogance, badmouthed his high school coach, complained to the media, fought with fans at Michigan, and was a sub-par leader. Throw in the fact that DC-led teams had 2 more wins each season compared to the other quarterback, and I’ll take DC over him every day of the week and twice on Saturdays
by WPIALkid22 on Jan 2, 2010 2:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
this whole "he wasn't an all american" argument is also kinda moo
since with Tebow and McCoy (and last year Bradford) around, even Collins would probably have gotten the shaft. Clark was Big 10 first team QB 2 years in a row, in admittedly a down period for Big 10 QBs, but he was still a very good QB.
I also think people are forgetting that whole tendency of “you are never as bad as people think when you lose, and never as good as people think when you win,” and are therefore blowing DC’s losses out of proportion. Could he have performed better in the 4 losses? Sure…maybe. But people are also forgetting that 3 of those losses came against some very tough defenses, and the QB can’t do it all (not to mention that 3 of the losses were almost direct results of the defense/special teams breaking down: 2008 Iowa, 2009 USC, 2009 Iowa), and 2 of them (2009 Iowa and 2009 OSU) featured the impressive O-line of a traffic cone, turnstile, banana, stop sign, and scarecrow. I feel confident in saying that I don’t believe MRob would have won those games, either (and I probably like MRob more than I liked Clark, I just think Clark is a better QB).
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 3, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Clark
loved football, loved Penn State, and gave us his all on and off the field. Just a few years ago we would have killed to go 11-2 two straight years. Now that we’ve done it we’re pointing out why it wasn’t good enough.
I’m not happy we lost to Iowa,Ohio State, or USC..I just remember what it was like to not win, not go to a bowl game, and not wonder what our ranking would be next week.
Clark gave us what we wanted, success, he was a honest, passionate person. If Clark isn’t a Penn Stater to the core then I dont know what we’re looking for. I’d rather lose 4 games in two seasons than go undefeated two years in a row and have Pryor as my quarterback.
by Flyersman on Jan 2, 2010 4:10 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
Recced for emphasis
Many of us who got humbled by the Dark Years can embrace Clark for how much of a true blue Penn Stater he is. We stumbled a bit, true, but we can say going into the new decade that we’re in a much better place than we were in when we started 2000 (three game losing streak to end Big Ten play in 1999, win in the Alamo Bowl but there were serious cracks in the foundation).
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
twitter: @princessblueezy
Yeah, all of this.
Twitter: @scrappled
"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Jan 2, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not missing Easely...
because he didn’t and wouldn’t have bled Blue n White like DC17!
Yeah, 17/18 yr olds have their college of choice decision as one of their 1st biggest decisions to make in their lives…but I only like seeing the the DC17’s. The guys who above-and-beyond love football, Penn State football. Because of tradition, institution, pride and focus.
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Jan 2, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
THIS
Clark embodies what the goal of every player for Joe Paterno should be, on and off the field. Yes, there were stumbles on the field, but no one took those harder than he did (and he really shouldn’t have put so much of the blame on himself for those stumbles). The guy jumped through every hoop he was asked to jump through to achieve his dream of being a college football player. I honestly can’t believe that after two years of Morelli, 4 years of the Dark Years that people are so quick to jump to shit on a kid’s legacy as a Penn Stater after he’s helped lead the team to back to back 11 WIN SEASONS.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jan 4, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hey Mike, save this post for next season.
Let’s see how many of these people want Clark back while Newsome is going through his learning curve (this isn’t a knock at Newsome either). Clark was a first rate QB. Clark is a first class Penn Stater. I remember seeing him on TV at the BJC during a basketball game bouncing up and down to Zombie Nation for the hoops team. Manned up for his role in the losses (and they weren’t all his fault; see my comments above). Went to class. He is going to be missed. There might be some people come along with better QB skills, but will they match his guts and character? THAT is going to be hard to replace.
by Ab4PSU on Jan 2, 2010 5:00 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
good call, Ab... I was thinking the same thing... rec!
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Jan 3, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
and you know what else?
name names! Who’s bitching, who isn’t. Call them out when next season comes along.
That’s unless Newsome comes out with guns blazing of course
by Mr. Rosewater on Jan 3, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
That's a bad idea.
I don’t need anyone calling me out for predicting flowers and sunshine on the offensive line this year.
"Jamelle Cornley is 6’4", and 6’3" of it is balls." - RUTS
by ReadingRambler on Jan 3, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I would like to have seen
what DC might have been had the learning curve begun a year earlier. I think he is a great guy that might have been special had he seen the playing time early that Mills and Morelli got.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
Didn't see this mentioned anywhere...
The only thing wrong with this post…Clark earned TWO degrees – telecommunications and journalism.
The harassment of Clark just makes me wonder why Newsome or Jones or Bolden would ever want to be starting QB here. If you don’t go undefeated, there’ll be plenty of critics.
by CrispinandCream on Jan 2, 2010 11:19 PM EST reply actions
If you don’t go undefeated, there’ll be plenty of critics.
That’s true at a lot of top schools, though, to be honest.
uhhh... like almost all of them from what I have seen
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Jan 3, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
"If you don’t go undefeated, there’ll be plenty of critics."
The blessing and curse of being Penn State
Maybe it's been said but what about Shaffer
from the NC team of 86 as a top QB?
All things considered (on and off the field)
I think Darryl was a nice QB for PSU. Gawdy stats, yes. One of the greats? Surely not. Great kid, great representative for the university.
To me, he is a more athletic Wally Richardson (who was also an excellent ambassador for the university).
MROB was the better player, regardless of stats because of his leadership, poise, and his willingness to play any position that was asked of him throughout his career.
I think most would agree
That MRob is the better “player”. But Clark was a better “passer and/or QB”.
None of this really matters anyways. Who gives a shit who was better, honestly, it doesn’t matter one iota.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Jan 4, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Why isn't he one of the greats?
I really don’t understand why it’s so hard for some of you to consider him one of the best. See the above arguments on MRob being the better player. Maybe a better leader, definitely a better runner, but you’re honestly going to put him in the pantheon of Penn State Greats as a QB and NOT Clark? Who knows, maybe I’m biased because Clark’s two seasons meant a lot to me because they were two of my years as a PSU student, but I really don’t understand this “tarnished legacy” BS. He will forever be one of my favorite players, and one of the best I’ve ever seen play in blue and white (granted I am young).
One of my favorite traits about Clark
is that he doesn’t thank God everytime we win like most other players (cough Tebow, cough McCoy cough). Because God clearly has a vendetta against the losing team.
I always wonder why they don't thank God after their losses, as well
for doing God’s will and helping the other team win.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 3, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
in addition...
pryor thanked god twice in his post-rose bowl interview…so we have that to look forward to
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!
TP's post-game interview was embarrassing
All I kept thinking was “Thank God he chose OSU.”
Maybe TP will end up being one heck of a good QB, but I’d rather have Clark in a heartbeat. Like the green Flyersman post above says – Clark was a very good QB that will always be a 100% Penn Stater, no matter where his future leads. I was proud he was our QB.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Oh, sure, blame him now...
But when the Penn State knee-hating god takes out one of your precious LB’s in Summer practice you’ll be sorry.
Also a good point.
I’ll hate you forever if you jinx us, though.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Don't worry.
Such “jinxes” have no effect on us.
"Jamelle Cornley is 6’4", and 6’3" of it is balls." - RUTS
by ReadingRambler on Jan 3, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh, the Pencil Neck Sean Lee
Good times!
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
Clark...
You have to remember, this is the first PSU QB to be in a pass intensive offense. What the offensive scheme required from the QB had not been required of former PSU QBs. Collins and Blackledge put up good numbers in a power I, run, run, offense. This isn’t that offense anymore. Thus, I don’t think Clark can be fuly evaluated until we see how other QBs play in the system.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 4, 2010 10:09 AM EST reply actions
I dunno
We chucked it around a good bit with Morelli. He actually had some of the top 5 or so yardage seasons (somewhere around 2600 yards) when he was at the helm. If Morelli was truly an elite QB as he was built up to be, he would have completed a higher percentage and been intercepted less and would likly hold the records that Clark has now.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Yes...
but it wasn’t the same offense as it is now, which I think is the key distinction.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 4, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Blackledge...
lead the first team to ever win a National Championship with more yards through the air than on the ground.
I don’t know how anyone can spin that offense as being run-oriented.
I was 2 when they won that...
MNC. More passing yards doesn’t necessarily mean they were pass intensive. I’m sure Blackledge threw most of his passes down field.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 4, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
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