(Not) Doing the Little Things Well
I went to a small Catholic grade school when I was in elementary/middle school. There were 20 odd other kids in my grade, and we had the same teachers for the same subjects in 5th-8th grade. The English teacher I had in those years hung me for everything. Missed comma here, typo there, everything. I'd get my papers back marked up with more red than I knew what to do with. Then I'd look at my buddy's paper, which was horrible, but had literally no corrections.
I hated this teacher. But in hindsight, I wouldn't have had it any other way. She expected more from me as a writer. She wanted me to work harder than anyone else because she thought I had the potential to be pretty good some day.
The Big 10 is Penn State's English teacher right now. Granted, the Big 10 doesn't want the Nittany Lions to succeed now, or in the future, but teams like Iowa and Illinois hanging Penn State for the little things now will pay major dividends in the future.
After starting off well, and building a double digit first half advantage, Penn State limped into halftime and trailed by three at the break. Poor halves by starters Chris Babb, David Jackson, and Tim Frazier forced the bench to pick up a lot of the slack, and the bench responded, posting almost half of the Nittany Lion points early on. Penn State's defensive rebounding struggled, giving up 5 offensive rebounds to Aaron Fuller, who went on to pull down a couple more in the second half, and lead the Hawkeyes in scoring with 20 points.
After the break, Penn State came out sluggish and fell into a 12 point hole, thanks in part to turnovers and cold shooting. The Lions did manage to keep themselves in the game, however, by getting to the line and scoring some points to keep things from getting out of hand.
With about 10 minutes remaining, the game started to turn. The Penn State half-court sets became less stagnant, and the Lions took advantage of poor Iowa free throw shooting to bring the game to as close as a point by the final two minutes. The Hawkeyes, however, managed to turn their free throw shooting around when it mattered most, trading 2 point possessions with Penn State the rest of the way to hold on for the win.
The Good
I wrote Penn State off at three different points in the 2nd half of this basketball game, but they fought back admirably and had a chance to win at the end. Granted, Iowa's free throw shooting acted as a crutch, but come backs like today's game serves notice that even at 0-5 in the conference, the Lions still have the character they showed during the NIT championship run last season.
Talor Battle had a bounce back performance after struggles at Illinois, leading Penn State with 31 points and 7 rebounds. David Jackson played a good second half to finish with 10 points and 5 rebounds, also posting a nice effort after a rough night in Champaign.
Penn State played the last two minutes of the game almost perfectly to get to within a point. Unfortunately, they weren't able to get over the hump, but after the poor performance through much of the second half, it was important to see the Lions give themselves a chance to win despite it all.
The Bad
The defensive rebounding again came back to bite the Nittany Lions as it has in many of their losses, and even some of their wins. It's no coincidence that Fuller went from a 6.5 points per game through the season to a 20 point scorer today. He handled the Lions down low in their own end, and his seven offensive boards doomed Penn State more than anything else.
The defensive rotations regressed against Iowa. They hurt Penn State at several points, but could have hurt a lot more, and the Hawkeyes missed several wide open three point field goals in the second half that could have sent the Lions home much earlier.
Penn State got reckless with the ball in the second half, and hurt themselves with a lot of turnovers. While eight as a final number isn't horrible, the turnovers came at critical times, either compounding the damage of Iowa's early second half run, or stalling the come back late.
The Ugly
Chris Babb posted an 0-6 performance, all from beyond the arc, and scored no points after leading Penn State against Illinois. Babb is still a young player, but he needs to find a way to contribute when his infamously streaky jumper is off. If he is going to become the Robin to Talor Battle's Batman, he has to develop some sort of an inside game, or learn from Battle's knack at getting to the free throw line when his shots aren't falling. Babb is a good, but streaky shooter. That's all he'll ever be, though, unless he develops the other facets of his game.
The coaching staff really needs to work on drawing up plays coming out of timeouts. These possessions should be easy points as results of set plays, but far too often, Penn State fails to convert or more importantly get a good shot.
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I had the same teacher
I hated her until she admitted to holding me to a higher standard. Then I was confused. Then she said I’m an idiot for not knowing that I was smarter than everyone in class.
Babb
will have to work hard to even be Robin. At this point he’s Batgirl V or VI to Talor’s Batman.
Computers rank me number 1, blame the BCS...it's their fault.-Joe Budden
Babb hurt his shooting hand at ILL
I think it was a dislocated pinky on his shooting hand but it may have been broken. That said…makes sense he did not shoot well. He has played up the last few games and is starting to put his game together.
Peter
There no polishing the turd at this point.
They suck. They are poorly coached. The players they were most dependent on coming into this year have actually gotten worse. They’ll be lucky to get 3 conference wins.
Not sure how this can mess can be defended anymore.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 16, 2010 8:05 PM EST reply actions
Yes.
Honestly, what is this team good at? We’re way past the point of excusing this garbage with “well, we lost Cornley, Pringle, and Morrissey.” It’s the regression of Brooks and Jones that is the true indictment of this team and this coaching staff. We just lost to a team that hadn’t beaten a top-200 opponent all season long.
What kills me is that the vast majority of the players simply don’t look like they know what they’re supposed to be doing out there. And a lot of the time, they look like they don’t really care that they don’t know what they’re doing.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 16, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'll defend the coaches here
Jones and Brooks regressing is completely their own fault. That, or they’re simply just not good enough to do what Ed is asking them to do. Perhaps that’s why they’ve been benched. While we all doubt whether Edwards or Ott can be any better, it’s better than just running two kids out there who’ve proven they can’t handle the pressure.
I had a hissy fit when Edwards was in at the end of the game the other night, but I can see the logic. The kid is screwing up a lot but he’s taking the chances and trying to make the plays that Jones and Brooks are adversed to.
My biggest beef with the coaching staff is the in game management, and not what happens in practice. What worked last year ain’t working this year, and I see that as a personel issue more than anything else.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 16, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Here's my problem.
I’ve defended this program and this coach for a long, long time. I’m not one of the garden variety “LOL ED SUX” people who looks at his seven year record and thinks it’s fair to compare it to Tom Izzo’s record. However, a program that fancies itself as an up-and-coming team can’t lose to UNC-Wilmington, Tulane, and Iowa. It can’t lose 16 point second half leads. It can’t expect to be taken seriously when it’s staring at a 2-16 conference record. And at some point, DeChellis has to be able to recruit some quality big men.
Any reasonable person looking at this team expected a small step backwards. This, unfortunately, is about nine huge steps backwards. If Jones and Brooks can’t handle what Ed wants them to do, he either has to (a) coach them to do it, (b) play to their strengths, whatever they may be, or © find players who can be more productive. That’s what coaches are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do. And if they can’t find a way to beat Iowa, one of the worst Big Ten teams to take the floor in decades, it’s more than fair to question whether Ed DeChellis can get the job done.
I like Ed. Seems like a nice guy. Does things for charity, like the Coaches for Cancer thing. Politely fought the university for more support instead of fighting that pathetic situation in public. But when does accountability kick in? It’s not like we have a General Manager to fire.
The bigger issue here, I suppose, is what I mentioned below. Penn State isn’t going to do anything, no matter how bad the team performs this season. They just signed Ed to a contract extension. Buying him out would probably cost over a million dollars. And most importantly, regardless of the attendance at the BJC, the men’s baskeball program is profitable due to the television agreements. So all of this bitching is really just pissing in the wind, anyway.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 16, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, digging the copywrite C
Anyway…
I don’t think this team is 2-16 bad. I think this season ends up as a slightly less inspiring version of 2008 when we picked off some good teams and lost to teams we shouldn’t have the next night.
But that’s beside the point. In the context of what the univeristy will actually do, they’re not going to find a better coach for the magic beans they throw at Ed. We’re getting what we’re paying for, and as long as that’s the case, we’re better of with Ed established that Mitt Major X starting the rebuild from scratch.
I mean look who he’s going up against every night:
Izzo
Webber
Matta
Beilien
Ryan
Painter
Crean
Smith
It’s insane. To honestly compete with that, you need to bring in someone established like that and Curley’s not going to do that. There’s no sense making a Penn State guy like Dechellis, who’s taken the program to heights it hasn’t seen before, the fall guy for that.
If Curley wants to pony up for a real, top of the Big 6 level coach, I’ll be in line right behind you questioning whether Ed should be here, butI just think the man is way too bottomline to care.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 16, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
But, what heights?
They won the NIT, which was fun but let’s not put too much emphasis on it. Your point about salaries is a good one, especially when looking around the conference. That’s why all of this bitching is pointless, other than to make ourselves feel better. PSU doesn’t view basketball success as a priority, and there aren’t a bunch of wealthy alumni willing to pitch in like they did for the Cael Sanderson hire. Not to my knowledge, at least.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 16, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly
27 wins and the NIT is something we’ve never seen before.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 16, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Right, but Jerry Dunn had us in the sweet 16.
27 wins be damned.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 16, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Jerry Dunn?
Cline-Heard and Ivory had us in the sweet 16.
I mean, are Dunn and Ed the same coach?
by ReadingRambler on Jan 16, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
No, no.
Just saying that Sweet 16 appearance and win over UNC >>>> winning the NIT.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 16, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
i entered the season expecting a little more then i have seen, Personally I am conflicted
Part of me is results = sucess
the other part is id rather him run a clean program then rack up the wins.
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by psu in the w-b on Jan 17, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Sweet 16 appearance = Winning the NIT
You win the NIT, you’re probably a better than half shot at a sweet 16 team in my book… screw having Alcorn State in the tournament
It was the win over UNC that was the push there.
Had we made the tournament last year, we would have been at least a 13 seed, probably more likely a 10 seed. The year we made the Sweet 16 we were 15th? That was more of a fluke than a greatly coached team.
Like it or not, we were actually a decent team last year who lost three decent senior starters and doesn’t have the recruiting yet to rebuild, retool, and put out a better team the next year.
Yet.
How many top 200 recruits did Jerry Dunn bring in? How many post season games did he win? How many sell-outs did his team bring in?
DeChellis is the best coach for this team right now period. He’s doing what he needs to do now, we’re rebuilding, and we’ll be back with a vengeance next year.
\ wouldn’t be a bit surprised if we have a second half of the season resurgence and make some noise in the Big Ten Tournament.
Um
That’s not how the NCAA seeding process works. I think PSU was like an 9th seed in ’01. Anyway, major conference teams are rarely seeded below 12th. Teams in the 12th seed area are usually considered “last teams in”. An occasional exception occurs – like Miss. State last year. They were a 13th seed after winning the SEC tourney.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 17, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
If we put up this sort of performance against a good team, then we could probably take some positives out of this loss. But we played this game against Iowa, and still looked downright pathetic at times, and couldn’t manage a W. We are now alone in the basement. I will still support this team, but this really knocked a lot of wind out of the sails.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 16, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I briefly thought you were talking about Iowa
Then I read the replies and realized you weren’t. What you said is true for both teams though.
I do not think it is throw Ed under the bus time yet.
Yes they have shown up poor and lost some games against teams they should have beat. No, I am not happy we are loosing and it does appear that we have taken a step back at first glance. However, the talent level has risen greatly for us since Ed Stepped in. The team is far better now than we were under Dunn. With Dunn we were not even competitive. We had some decent role players that Dunn did not recruit that got hot at the right time. Dunn had two runs in tourney. His first year we had a pretty good team that limped into the finish line and got upset in the first round. The other was the the sweet 16 team. That team if you recall did not fair all that well in the BT season. We were not as good as last years team. They got hot at the end of the season and made a run in the BT tourney. Then won two games in the NCAAs. At the time we were making our run I remember thinking how bitter sweet it was. I knew then that Dunn would get an extension on his contract. In the long run that hurt our program.
This team has the talent to hang with most teams in the country. We are missing a natural big guy who can post and the toughness we had last year in Jamelle Cornley and Danny Morrisey. We are playing a lot of underclassmen and three of the four upper class men we need to lean on are not getting the job done. To me it is that simple. I do not think it is a lack of effort. I think it is a matter of mental toughness.
Peter
Well, at least you went to a small Catholic grad school
when you were in elementary/middle school, and not when you were in high school or college (or in your 40s). They have registries for those latter people.
Also, NW beat Purdue today.
So for the apologists counting on those two games as sure victories, think again.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 16, 2010 8:41 PM EST reply actions
Purdue is goin' fetal though...
Maybe we’ll sweep them.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 16, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Not a chance.
They started 14-0 and lost to two pretty damned good teams (Wisconsin and Ohio State) before being upset @NW today. I’m not holding my breath.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 16, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
That was kind of a joke man...
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 16, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh, sarcasm detector was destroyed at halftime today.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 16, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Purdue goes 13-5 or 12-6
We’re not beating them. I can only see three wins at best for us:
Indiana
Illinois
Northwestern
Indiana can play as bad as us, we actually looked better than Illinois, and Northwestern is a maybe. Anything else would be a big upset.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 16, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
It was a joke.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 17, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
LOL i was so confused reading it I thought u were replying to urself
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by psu in the w-b on Jan 17, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Extension Time...
Whats with all the negativity BSD? Don’t lose hope now. You’ve drank the kool-aid this long, keep slurping.
I still think this season makes Ed worthy of an extension at year’s end. This year is just a retooling/rebuilding effort. We can’t expect too much too fast. Look how far things have come in 8 seasons. I’ll bet by 2015 this team is consistently NIT bound each year.
Ok smarty
Fire Ed.
Now find me a coach willing to come here and make what he does, and do any better.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 16, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
DeChellis makes somewhere between $500k and $650k.
I’m guessing someone can do the job for that amount. The problem is buying DeChellis out, which the university won’t do.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 16, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I just think...
If you fire Ed, and hire anyone less than a Jamie Dixon, or Bob Knight, or some other big splash, you’re gonna be right back where you started: a mediocre coach, at a bad basketball school who is starting his recruiting from scratch.
I guess what I’m saying is, there’s no reason to start over if you’re just gonna end up with what you already have. Unless this thing REALLY goes into the tank, and I mean being non-competitive, I think he should be safe for awhile.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 16, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Don't argue.
You’re a part of BSD, so you’re just another kool-aid drinker.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 16, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
You're being ridiculous.
Kool-aid? Mike – you know, the guy who founded this little operation – predicted the NIT AT BEST for this team.
And again, if you want to fire Ed, that’s fine. I might agree with you. But you don’t have to be an arrogant twit about it.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 16, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I knew we were going to lose today. You could smell it coming.
It’s frustrating as hell, but I’m not worked up over this.
Well, that is until I remember that John Lickliter plays often for them.
who are you taking to taks I am lost.....I need some kool aid about now
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by psu in the w-b on Jan 17, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
My concern is...
What do you really consider to be the ceiling for some of the guys on this team? For example, for Jeff Brooks or Andrew Jones…they have some talent, but when they graduate next year, what will be they thought of as it pertains to their PSU careers? Or guys like David Jackson or Ott. I think all of these guys can be decent complimentary players at times, but they often completely disappear. Everyone would agree that the remainder of this season is going to be about getting experience and building toward next year, but what do you think next year’s team will be like? Brooks is still going to be Brooks, Jones is still going to be Jones, etc. Do we have reason to believe that these guys will improve their games enough over the next year to make a serious run at the tourney, or are we fooling ourselves?
by mundyscorner99 on Jan 16, 2010 10:54 PM EST reply actions
Granted, the Big 10 doesn’t want the Nittany Lions to succeed now, or in the future, but teams like Iowa and Illinois hanging Penn State for the little things now will pay major dividends in the future.
If you say so. Stuff like not helping on defense and not blocking out is all on the coaches, in my opinion. Frazier and Edwards are still young, but we have mostly juniors at other positions. If the coaches haven’t yet impressed upon them the need for basic basketball fundamentals, how will they be there next year? How can we employ Ed if our senior players aren’t boxing out?
Now, I haven’t changed my position. This year probably doesn’t matter at all. In fact, next year may not even matter. But if we’re losing to Iowa next year, then it’s back to several cold winters waiting for Ed’s contract to expire.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 16, 2010 10:59 PM EST reply actions
Wow
This is getting awful by the game.
The Right-hander checks the runner here's the pitch.Swing and a drive right-center field. This one is falling it's a base hit! It'll go up the alley. Bruntlett will score,Ruiz around 3rd he's being waved home. The Phillies have won the ball game,Rollins has won it! They stream out of the dugout. This game is over as the Phillies strike again with 2 outs in the 9th inning!"
-Scott Franske calling Jimmy Rollins walk-off hit in Game 4 of the 2009 NLCS
Ed D....
I don’t know if he is the right coach for the PSU basketball program, but they need a coach and staff that can get recruits from the Philly and NYC areas. PSU needs a coach and staff that can get a kid to choose PSU over ‘Nova, Pitt, Temple, etc. Until that happens, I don’t see the PSU program being in the top 5 of the Big 10 year in and year out.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 17, 2010 9:44 AM EST reply actions
Will never happen
Philly is a lost cause, just trust me.
I'm a Nova fan..
and they used to say the same thing. Well we got a coach and a staff that could recruit in Philly and now we are getting kids from Philly. I think it can happen at PSU, but you need a coach that already has ties there or a system that can attract players.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 17, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not gonna happen.
You’ve got Syracuse, Nova, North Carolina, Duke, and several other large schools already picking up the top kids. PSU is not going to be at that level. Certainly not within 10-15 years, I bet.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 17, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe..
Maybe not. Until Wright got to Nova, they weren’t getting any of the top Philly or NYC area kids. Now Nova is starting to get those players. If you get the right coach, it can happen. Duke’s recruiting in the Philly area isn’t as strong. Carolina will always be Carolina. When Jimmy B leaves ‘Cuse, they will take a step back. PSU can get better, it just won’t be easy. Pitt for crying out loud did it and PSU, I think, can be better than that.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 17, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Time for a little history lesson. Nova used to get the top Philly recruits, then for some reason Rollie turned into an egotistical angry old man and stopped recruiting the city out of spite. He burned lots of bridges and their Philly presence was never the same. It wasn’t until Wright got there and started making good ties with the local high schools that turned Nova around in the city.
And what Rambler said. Philly is an absolute hotbed, and probably the second or third best city in overall talent with NYC and Chicago. Duke, UNC, Syracuse and get lots of Philly kids. Temple owns the public league, and Nova owns the Catholic League and Inter-Ac. There just isn’t much left to go around. Hell, even Kansas landed the Morris twins and somehow got them away from Temple.
The only way I can ever see this turning around is if PSU hires a coach with strong Philly ties, but there aren’t many top level coaches with those ties that would go to Penn State and coach. It’s a tough situation.
Maybe when Kobe retires.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 17, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I never said...
Nova never got Philly area kids, but for 10-15 years before that, Nova didn’t because of the reasons you point to above and the fact that Steve Lappas sucked. Then they turned it around because they brought in the “Wright” coach.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 18, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
I give myself at least...
a -3.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 18, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
When
I was in college I had a professor that graded me strictly on the fact that I had beautiful handwriting…this outraged by buddies whose writing was admittedly terrible, but the test contents were, grade wise, high…I made 100% on all tests…to prove the point, I turned in an exam that was entirely BullSh*t and of course I aced the paper…the harder PSU BB tries, they are still bad at pensmanship…on the other hand though, it’s gonna be far from a BullSh*t year…I just believe most of the team can’t “read” the exam.
Penn State hoops...ouch
I am not sure if this program will ever turn it around. There is simply not enough interest on that campus for one…For two, we cannot recruit.
Babb
There is a report that Babb has a sore finger he dislocated against Illinois. He had trouble even catching the ball in practice all week let alone getting a good rotation and accuracy on his shot. He may be off for a week or two.
Mike
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Didn't hear that
But it gets back to his lack of a game inside the perimeter IMO.
Kobe has a broken finger, and granted, Chris Babb isn’t Kobe Bryant, or even Talor Battle, but an injury like that can be remedied by being good at other things than 3 point shooting.
I’ve been playing basketball my whole life, and have had hand injuries happen all the time. I don’t think this is any excuse for him to go completely MIA, even if some of the finer points of his game are a little off.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 17, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Dude.
I don’t like to bash PSU players (I don’t use my real name, afterall), but what does Chris Babb have to offer besides the 3 point shot?
by ReadingRambler on Jan 17, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not going to "bash" him either
He needs to work on it. That’s all.
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