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I'll say it. The 2005 season was magical.  Using the word "magical" is tired and lame and frankly kind of annoying -- but it's also appropriate.  The Dark Years can't really be described with the tools language provides. As exhilarating as the Indiana goalline stand was in 2004, remember what it was: a goalline stand against Indiana.  Backs were against the wall, and things didn't end in total embarrassment. 

I'm straying; back to 2005.  Noncon play was encouraging, but our souls were way too torn to actually elevate hope.  The Northwestern game was not great football, but when you consider the four turnovers the team overcame, and the leadership we saw in Robinson, well it was a heck of a win.  

And then, of course, there was Ohio State.  The atmosphere every game that will every be played will be measured up against.  

All of this is a very long way of reminding you that "no," 2005 was not and could never have been a championship season.  The past has a way of blurring as we move forward.  This happened to Rittenberg when he called Penn State's 2005 team the second best of the Big Ten's decade:

If not for a Michigan touchdown on the final play at the Big House, Penn State could have been playing for a national title. The Nittany Lions still went on to an 11-1 finish and an Orange Bowl championship as Big Ten MVP Michael Robinson led the way at quarterback.

That Michigan loss was painful, trust me I was there, but you've got it all wrong, man.  Had Penn State won that game, held on and finished with a 12-0 season, you know what would have happened in January?  This:

Penn State 26, Florida State 23, 3 OT

Star-divide

Unfortunately for Paterno, 2005 was a season of a media-built legend that Penn State wasn't going to be able to touch.  Not in their dreams.  This was the preseason poll:

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Do you really think a team that wasn't even ranked until week 5 was going to break that fortress?  I mean the #3 team didn't really even have a shot, and remember both USC and Texas won convincingly in their CCGS; the combined score in those two games was 136 to 22.  Yes, 136(!) to 22(!) the week before selection.

A perfect season would have been great, we have a tradition of winning them all and not garnering any respect, but there is no question that, even at 12-0, Penn State would have been another Auburn of the BCS era.  

Yeah, but that would never happen to us, would it?  Well mathematically it can't, but, uh, this isn't exactly good news for the proud Bowden family, is it?

Since Fisher's ascent to Florida State's head coaching position became imminent [aka Bowden's exit became obvious] in early December, the Seminoles have rallied from the middle of the pack to become one of the hottest programs in the country.

So not only was Bowden not coaching, making in-game decisions or even paying attention to what team he was playing, but maybe he was also pushing away recruits?  The Florida State recruiting class has gone from decent but mediocre to top 16 in every service since Bowden's exit.  

So let's kick out Joe and bump ourselves up a bit, right?  Maybe not: Penn State's current class, even at a very small 18, is top ten at most services.

So maybe Bowden was just a drain.  Maybe he lost the allure that Joe still brings.

Or maybe the media is making something out of nothing and this:

"I think people see the energy and the leadership provided by Coach Fisher," FSU recruiting coordinator James Coley said. "He's a big-time coach, and this is a big-time program."

Or it might just be good luck explained away as good work.  Florida State's last six classes (from newest to oldest) were ranked 7, 9, 23, 3, 2, 3 suggesting that, well maybe some kids were just waiting this year for no specific reason, and maybe this top 10 class was on the way anyhow.

 

You look better when everything crumbles around you. DocSat did a review of the curious Pitt Panthers.  A team that finished the season ranked 15th, but also (1) didn't beat a single ranked team all season and (2) lost to NCST, who failed to qualify for a bowl game.  I guess it was that kind of year.

So while it's debatable whether Pitt is "back," it's likely they aren't going anywhere:

With Brian Kelly's departure from Cincinnati and Jim Leavitt's abrupt exit at South Florida, incredibly, Dave Wannstedt -- the same mustachioed mediocrity in the critics' crosshairs going into 2008 after failing to get the team over .500 in any of his first three seasons -- now stands as possibly the most stable coach in the Big East.

This is, well, kind of sad.  

At the very least, the Panthers answered any doubts about their staying power at the top of the conference...

At the very least, indeed.  Just a review about Pitt's "staying power":

  • Pitt has been to just two bowl games in the last five years.
  • Pitt hasn't been to a January bowl game since their 35-7 loss to Utah after the 2004 season.
  • Pitt hasn't won a January bowl game since, get ready for it, January 1st, 1981.
  • Pitt's leading rusher, Dion Lewis, was born in 1990.

I guess "staying power" is a relative term. As in "they've had relatively no staying power at all in any of their player's lifetimes."

In scores of other games.  A Cleveland writer wants UConn in the Big Ten?...thinning transfers at Iowa...Jon Sandusky becomes the Brown's director of player personnel, where he'll hope to one-up Matt Millen.

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Here's my take in a few sentences:

Penn State’s 2005 was certainly “magical” for football and all fall sports.

Rittenberg should have said Penn State “should” have had a shot at 12-0, but they definitely would not have.

A lot of talk about nothing at Florida State with regard to recruiting. Let’s see how they perform on the field now.

Pitt is the best in the Big East and are still on the verge of sucking in the very near future. Big Ten Sux pitchfork people need to be made aware of this.

by jimbo2psu on Jan 22, 2010 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

The 2005 Bowl outcome was the best case scenario whether Michigan gets that BS touchdown or not.

No way we get bumped ahead of Texas with that win.

Although I wanted that undefeated season so bad, and that play gave me nightmares for a good week after the game solidifying my hatred of Michigan for a lifetime.

"A setback is just a set up for a comeback." -Drew Brees

by kajpsu on Jan 22, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

and really...
solidifying my hatred of Michigan for a lifetime.

and one could say that is a good thing.

"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"

by amandakt on Jan 22, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Natural Progression

I’d say.

It’s just piling on at this point, but my disdain was supplemented by visiting um “fans” cheering “we own…Penn State”

by PSUgirl on Jan 22, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

that pissed me off to no end

but I had to give them credit. There really was no response we could have given, and they continued to “own” us for another 2 years.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 22, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It could have happened:

The week before the ‘05 PSU-Michigan game, the BCS rankings weren’t officially released yet, but PSU was number 3 with USC-Virginia Tech being 1 & 2. The computers had us 1, 1, 1, 2, and 6. Also keep in mind that the computers had greater weight in the BCS standings than they do now. If PSU kept winning, it would have been interesting to see if they would have crept into the two spot on the strength of their schedule.

by Cairo on Jan 22, 2010 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

The computers loved us that year and the human polls were relatively close even with our 1 loss. I am guessing we would have been left out, but it was certainly possible for us to be included in the BCS title game.

by VVeRPennState on Jan 22, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

CCGS?

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but what does CCGS stand for? I assumed Conference Championship Game, but the PAC-10 of course does not play one.

by mrb5091 on Jan 22, 2010 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

I think he was relocated to

the forum building to keep him walking in circles.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jan 22, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah that's some other kid

Not nearly as compelling (as if Willard ever was)

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Jan 22, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

What, there's a clone out there?

I wasn’t aware that there were others on campus trying to cleanse souls. Do the Hare Crishnas still make an appearance?

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Jan 22, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Rittenberg again!

Did anyone see this? He is getting a little edgy about all of the heat he is taking over his coverage of PSU. I think he has an agenda myself, but thats another story.

In the guys defense, he can’t make everyone happy and reading his blog is a daily routine that I do enjoy. I just think he has a sour taste in his mouth for PSU. And some of us have picked up on this.

I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.

BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.

by carolinaeasy on Jan 22, 2010 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

Can you blame him for having a sour taste?

I realize he’s supposed to be a ‘professional’ jounalist and all, but when somebody calls me an idiot, I tend to disregard their opinion.

"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno

by leeharvey418 on Jan 22, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I never agreed with the complaints about him, I think he’s quite fair. A lot of times his criticism about the team is exactly what we are saying on here, but it’s like we can’t take it from an outsider. I also wonder if we feel differently about him because he began writing last year when we were having an amazing season. We were the focus last year and he had to cover accordingly.

Either way, the complaints about him are tired in general. But at least doing it on here you can always be heard. Sending complaints direct is just asking for him to post them on the site when he gets annoyed. You’re complaining about a guy who operates his own section of one of the most popular websites in the world. He can completely control the context of your comments and how he replies. How smart is that?

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 22, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't get the Rittenberg bashing either.

Hey guys, you wanna know why he has a lot of Ohio State content on his blog? BECAUSE THEY WON THE CONFERENCE THIS YEAR and have been doing that quite a lot recently.

When he does discuss PSU, he is either complimentary of us or reasonable chides us. The only thing that anonys me is when he parrotts the typical tWWl spew, but that is to be expected of an ESPN blogger. I don’t believe he has it out for us at all, cut the weird looking fellow a break

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Jan 22, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree that calling someone an Idiot would illicit a similar response.

I posted about his treatment of Odrick a month ago, and as I said I enjoy his coverage a lot. I just wanted to point out another incident on his blog.

I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.

BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.

by carolinaeasy on Jan 22, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Rittenberg

We’ve exchanged emails and chatted a few times. He’ll bounce things off of me from time to time to get my opinion on them. Last spring he was beating the drum saying Penn State’s defensive line was going to suck without Gaines, Maybin, and Evans. I emailed him and set him straight that the DLine will be fine, and I suggested he take a closer look at the offensive line and secondary, and specificially the cornerbacks. He changed his tune after that. He’s open to ideas if you make a good arguement.

Think about his position a little bit. Here on BSD I have to know everything there is to know about Penn State to run this blog. He has to cover all 11 Big Ten teams in depth. That’s hard to do. And I suspect since ESPN requires him to probably post five times per day, he’s going to have to recycle the same arguments over and over. So after time it seems like he’s beating your team’s weakness into the ground. Even though it’s true, the perception comes across that he’s unfairly picking on your team.

by BSD on Jan 22, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Good info Mike

Thanks for that info, I guess put into that light the reoccurring points makes sense.

And I want to reiterate this point, I enjoy reading his stuff. I check it every day several times. Thanks to him I can keep up on the big ten as a whole. I know I get seen as a Rittenberg hater, but he brings a lot to our football experience, especially for folks like myself who live outside of the Big Ten footprint. I just got tired of the Iowa, and Odrick deal.

So with that said I am officially, and publicly making peace with Rittenberg.

I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.

BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.

by carolinaeasy on Jan 22, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you on Rittenberg

the only thing that bugs me a bit is that while OSU did win the conference this year, he seemed to over-exaggerate how good they, and certain players on the team, were. It is kinda like he props up the top team(s) a little too much, and harps on the rest a little too much.

Another thing, and this is perhaps because of my bias, but it seems like even though PSU and OSU pretty much just switched places this year (yes, I know OSU won the conference outright, but they also lost to a pretty bad USC team at home), first place OSU got more praise than first place PSU, and second place OSU got more praise than tied for second place PSU. Maybe because Iowa was thrown into the mix this year, and so that stole some of the praise PSU may have received.

But overall I don’t think Ritternberg is that biased, and enjoy his work for the most part.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 22, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

We layed two absolute turds against Iowa and Ohio State. Ohio State lost to USC and Purdue, but they dominated us and also beat Iowa. So they had some good wins to point at. We didn’t.

In 2008 we probably would have lost if Pryor didn’t fumble. So by appearance there wasn’t much difference between the two teams. Other teams we beat like Wisconsin and Illinois were later exposed to be frauds denying us a good win.

by BSD on Jan 22, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

and what good wins did OSU have in 2008?

I know what you are saying, though, and 2008 OSU was maybe “better” than 2009 PSU, but it isn’t like it is so glaringly obvious (to me at least) that it justifies the discrepancies in the coverage

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 22, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

My issue with Rittenburg

Is that, as far as I can tell, this isn’t a full-time gig for you guys at BSD. And yet you put out one of the best finished products around. Maybe you are only covering Penn State, but you’re covering EVERYTHING Penn State down to the womens volleyball team. I get content here I wouldn’t find anywhere else, and I’m a more knowledgable fan for visiting here every day.

With Rittenburg, it is my assumption that this is pretty much his full-time gig. Maybe he’s also writing for other outlets, I don’t know, but my understanding is that he’s working on his blog like a full time job. And the finished product is… well… half-assed. It’s trite. He’s picking the low-hanging fruit, skimming the surface, and the rest of the time he’s just plain uninformed about the topics.

It’s either the low hanging fruit: “Pryor’s throwing motion is wierd but he runs good” or the boneheaded opinion: “Odrick didn’t deserve DPOY”

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Jan 22, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

And

Rittenberg must cut the grass in the Google World, ‘cause it’s not right, the idiot. !!

by DerryPharmer on Jan 22, 2010 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

He was unfairly critical of Penn State this year IMO.

Every article about us started as:

“Penn State, who played a weak non-con schedule,…”
“Penn State, who lost to the two best teams on their schedule,…”

It was as if he was penalizing us for losing some games. I think he just wanted to come out and say it-“Penn State was a bunch of pretenders”- but the bowl win didn’t allow him to. And because of our win he got to write a nice little Big Ten is Back piece after all of the bowls.

His coverage throughout the 2008 was decidedly different. Yeah we won the championship then, but this year was only a 1 loss difference from that one. We still had a good team, evident in how we finished.

You would have never gotten that as an outsider if you didn’t follow Penn State and just read his blogs.

And don’t get me started on his opinion of Odrick not deserving DPOY. His posts made it seem as if that was an impossible choice and whoever did it was crazy.

Computers rank me number 1, blame the BCS...it's their fault.-Joe Budden

by OMEGAMAN on Jan 22, 2010 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

+1 what he said^

Sums up my feelings, but I do like reading his work. Its a catch 22

I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.

BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.

by carolinaeasy on Jan 22, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I do as well.

And I’m sure I’ll go back for his preseason coverage hoping for something different.

He just seemed totally unfair to Penn State this year, as if he bet money on that Iowa game and got screwed.

A lot of PSU fans need to get over that “everyone is against us” mentality, because it does start to come off as the PSU fanbase being the masters of the tin foil hats. We’ll see next year, when everything SEEMS to point to us having an average season, if his tone changes.

Computers rank me number 1, blame the BCS...it's their fault.-Joe Budden

by OMEGAMAN on Jan 22, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I didn't see it that way.

He wrote plenty of pieces about how we were neck and neck with Iowa for a BCS bid for many reasons, and how that made the conference a near lock for a second bid. That drove Iowa fans nuts.

I don’t really recall all the “lost to the two best teams” talk, but was any mention of our non conference schedule really so absurd? He ranks the b10 teams every week during the season. And so every week until conference play he had a reason to mention that no one really knew if we were any good. That was never wrong.

I thought the tone of the Odrick article was a little too much. But it’s not like I don’t realize his selection was a surprise. Yes, in that instance he couldn’t given Odrick more credit. But it strikes me as very overly sensitive to think he has some vendetta..

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 22, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you might be forgetting his constant soap box stands

He would make no bones about the fact that he felt “we didn’t deserve to go to the Orange bowl”, or “the right thing to do is send Iowa”, or other jabs. These were in just about every post about the bowls for a month or more, that gets old, quick.

Second there was the outright dissing of Odrick which seemed a little overboard. Couple that together and you will see why many of us think he is a little anti-psu.

I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.

BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.

by carolinaeasy on Jan 22, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

Junny and I talked about Rittenberg at that time, and I pointed him to a number of articles saying both PSU and Iowa deserved it. I continued to look back FOR the language you’re talking about and could not. It’s entirely possible that I missed one or two, but it certainly wasn’t some constant soap box stand. He was probably more fair about it than he needed to be.

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 22, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

In related news

(this isn’t an attempt to goad or pour on, I recognize you bowed out above, but it is relevant).

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/9542/big-ten-all-decade-team

Odrick makes Rittenberg all-decade team. Surprising since the only thing we agreed upon was that the tone of his Odrick article was a little too harsh.

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 22, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW

PSU did play a weak non-con schedule and did lose to the two best team on their schedule. He can have an opinion about Odrick. Heck, last year he thought Navorro Bowman was a better linebacker than Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year James Laurinaitis. I didn’t hear any complains then.

I guess I don’t get all of the “PSU is slighted” business. I think he stands up for the Big Ten and think his assessment is fair.

by Cairo on Jan 22, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think that is what annoys me the most about any fanbase, including ours

the whole “no respect thing,” get over it.

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."

by Roland86 on Jan 22, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Problem With Google Map

Is that as I scanned the stadium, all I could hear was Hail to the Lion, which in turn made me long for that first (and the rest) home game of the fall.

It’s… only… January?

by MainLion on Jan 22, 2010 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

Rittenberg likes US better than you guys

Just here stirring up some offseason trouble. :)

Where’s Reading Rambler? I need someone to abuse.

Seriously, love you guys.

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by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 22, 2010 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

I don't know

He didn’t even list Dallas Clark as a top 20 player of the decade. Not even considered. Some QB from NW I’ve never even heard of got a consideration, but Dallas Clark? Nope. If I were Iowa, I’d be a little pissed about that. If only he had played for Michigan or Ohio State, he’d have been top 10.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Jan 22, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

in his mailbag he outright admits it was an oversight

and that he should have at least been considered in the “honorable mention” category.

Still not sure how half of the games he listed (even the PSU ones) were bigger than 2005 PSU OSU. That’s the biggest Penn State game of the past 10 years, in my opinion.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 22, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's his all Big Ten team

QB: Troy Smith, Ohio State
RB: Mike Hart, Michigan
RB: Larry Johnson, Penn State
WR: Braylon Edwards, Michigan
WR: Charles Rogers, Michigan State
TE: Dallas Clark, Iowa
C: Greg Eslinger, Minnesota
OL: Joe Thomas, Wisconsin
OL: Robert Gallery, Iowa
OL: Jake Long, Michigan
OL: Eric Steinbach, Iowa

DEFENSE

DE: LaMarr Woodley, Michigan
DT: Wendell Bryant, Wisconsin
DT: Jared Odrick, Penn State
DE: Tamba Hali, Penn State
LB: Paul Posluzsny, Penn State
LB: A.J. Hawk, Ohio Sate
LB: James Laurinaitis, Ohio State
CB: Jamar Fletcher, Wisconsin
CB: Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State
S: Bob Sanders, Iowa
S: Mike Doss, Ohio State

SPECIALISTS

K: Mike Nugent, Ohio State
P: Travis Dorsch, Purdue
Returners: Ted Ginn Jr., Ohio State and Steve Breaston, Michigan

Decent. Shipley is the best center we’ve ever had, and there’s no way “Greg Eslinger” was meaner than him. Semantics.

But, why is it so hard to put someone else in front of Laurinaitis? J Leman, Chad Greenway, Sean Lee, Dan Connor, David Harris, AJ Edds, all were better linebackers.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 22, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I had that complaint when I read it as well.

The only argument I can think of is that Laura had a longer career as a starter than most? Not that that’s a good one, especially since he regressed. Just saying it’s the only one I can think of.

by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 22, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

if he was objective then turn stile would have made the cut.

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton

by psu in the w-b on Jan 22, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Laurinaitis

Has no business on that list. None. He has no business being on the top 10 players of the decade list. What a crock.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Jan 22, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Google maps

clicking the route, the way it blurs and clears, hearkens back to the days of staggering around campus REALLY drunk.

Is it just me? Answer: no.

by Mr. Rosewater on Jan 22, 2010 7:30 PM EST reply actions  

See, Derry, now your comment is disconnected.

"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 23, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I very rarely staggered around campus, preferring to fall face down in a gutter till morn…aaaaaaahhh, the good ole daze !

by DerryPharmer on Jan 22, 2010 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

REPLY BUTTON!

"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"

by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 23, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Ever notice

that if you rearrange the letters in futile you get….

It was pretty futile chasing him around

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi

by PaJoe on Jan 23, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

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