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But what the hell, let's run another version of the song.  Something a little more cheery, though.  Watching tonight's game should've been emo enough for you.


 

Okay, now what? 

After an 0-4 start in Big Ten play, Penn State had a chance to reverse its fortunes against Iowa and Indiana, two of the worst teams in the conference.  They lost.  Twice.  And didn't look particularly competent or confident in either effort.

Against Indiana, PSU's offense consisted of Talor Battle (7-18 FG, 22 pts) and Andrew Ott (6-9 FG, 13 pts).  Oh, and there were a metric assload of missed three-pointers by Cammeron Woodyard (0-4) and Chris Babb (1-7), who despite an injury to his shooting hand, continues to play way too many minutes (33 vs. Indiana) and launch ridiculous three's with little success. 

Aside from Woodyard, the Nittany Lion bench didn't do nothingTim Frazier, Andrew Jones, and Jeff Brooks combined to shoot 6-for-11, scored 13 points, and nabbed 14 rebounds.  But the game turned on the numerous extra possessions given away by Penn State's lackadaisical defensive rebounding.  Whenever a Nittany Lion would lazily attempt to reel in a relatively uncontested rebound, Indiana would knock it away and end up nailing a gut-wrenching jumper.  And I don't know if you've noticed, but Penn State isn't the type of team that should be lazy about anything.  Somehow, that doesn't stop them.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld once famously said in a failed attempt to quote Confucius, "[T]here are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. These are things we do not know we don’t know."  With Penn State, there is good good effort.  These are aggressive plays that work out well.  There is bad good effort, like Talor Battle repeatedly screaming down the court until he's suddenly trapped in a double-team under the basket.  Then there is bad bad effort, most notably Jeff Brooks sloppily one-handing a rebound and having it stolen away, though we could cite any other of the numerous defensive rebounding fiascoes on display at the BJC Thursday night.  Bad bad effort will kill a team with Penn State's talent level, especially when an awful team like Indiana is given repeated chances to hit uncontested three-pointers.

In the end, Talor Battle is (agaaaain!) forced to win the game by himself, and he simply doesn't have the physical attributes to pull it off.  He isn't some sort of physically dominant post player who can be fed on every possession until he's stopped.  He's a 5'11" point guard being asked to do every single thing on the court when he's also 17th in the nation in percentage of minutes played.  Ed DeChellis managed to get Talor two minutes of rest tonight.  Two.  But who else can DeChellis trust at this point?

One truly frightening part of the Lions' slide is that Andrew Ott and David Jackson now appear to be the second and third best players on the team.  It's not a commentary on them so much as with the remainder of this unbelievably disappointing team.  Babb and Woodyard are one-trick ponies (the trick, incidentally, is bricking three-pointers), Jones and Brooks are slipping into complete irrelevance, and the freshmen have looked completely lost since Big Ten play started.

As for DeChellis, he's never been the most animated of coaches, but he looks lost right now.  There could not have been a greater contrast between him and Tom Crean, who was constantly encouraging his team and attempting to build their confidence.  At one point, Indiana capitalized on a PSU mistake and Crean turned around and admonished his own coaching staff and bench for not cheering loudly enough.  Teams with sub-par talent often need that kind of rah-rah stuff.  Far too often, the energy and passion is missing from the vast majority of DeChellis' team.  Not only is it fair to wonder if Penn State will win a Big Ten conference game this season, but it's time to seriously discuss whether DeChellis has completely lost this team. The team has already lost the fanbase.  There wasn't any audible booing at the conclusion of the ESPN2 telecast, just the polite shuffling of another sparse, disappointed crowd into the frigid central Pennsylvania night.

Is Ed's job in jeopardy?  Doubtful.  It's hard to believe that Penn State would fire a reigning Big Ten Coach of the Year, who just led his team to the NIT championship, a 27-win season, and received a three-year contract extension in October.  DeChellis is also the lowest-paid coach in the conference by a pretty significant margin, and in case you hadn't noticed, the university has never been particularly serious about building a winning men's basketball program.  Despite the paltry attendance at the BJC, television contracts ensure that the program is the only other profitable athletic team in Happy Valley besides the football team.  Do you really think Penn State would buy out DeChellis' contract, then turn around and sink a million dollars annually into the "big name" coach so many fans perpetually whine about landing?  Don't get your hopes up.

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well put. I am not sure if there is an answer to this team I just do not see a spark. Was the Virginina game an anomaly
The team i watched then and the one I watch now are so different.

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by psu in the w-b on Jan 21, 2010 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

Seems like almost the entire non-con was a fluke

But at least it’s starting to look like we deserve a lot more credit for finally helping finally win the Big Ten – ACC challenge, since, even though I know it won’t last, Virginia is winning the ACC.

by PSUisMyHeart on Jan 21, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck the administration.

I’m sorry, Cael Sanderson gets 2.5 million to coach a sport nobody gives a damn about, and you couldn’t give two shits about building a successful basketball program? Tim Curley, I demand an explanation. Why is wrestling more important than basketball when 95% of campus, if not more, couldn’t name a single wrestler, will never go to a meet, and couldn’t care less about a homo-erotic pasttime that somehow passes for sport.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 21, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

That ain't Curley's money.

He just gets to cut the ribbon at the ceremony. That money came from boosters. If you can find similar people to pony up $2M for a new coach, I’m sure Curley would love to hear from you.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 21, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah wrestling=bball doesn't really compute.

They are separate entities, and it’s all about cost-benefit right now anyway. If you can’t get donors to put up for a coach, and you can sell just enough seats to old heads to cover Ed’s working-man’s salary, well then the reward suits the risk.

And risk isn’t really the right word; Penn State will never actually take a risk with their own money on anything. But if someone wants to put up a wholelotta cash and gamble with a high priced coach that may or may not improve performance and therefore ticket revenue, well sure if it’s house money, etc.

I know about your diabolical plan.

by KevinHD on Jan 22, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm almost tempted to flag this post for this:
a homo-erotic pasttime that somehow passes for sport.

Could you, like, stop posting crap like this? And don’t give me “Sorry, but I’m angry right now”. It had been two hours since the game when you wrote your silly little offensive rant.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 22, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

This

Completely unnecessary.

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by Adam Bittner on Jan 22, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm almost convinced that RR and fugi are the same person

with literally 23 hours of free time a day.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Well we're both much happier people than you apparantly

…and we don’t get out jollies from wanting people fired, cursing a blue streak over a basketball game, and making fun of fellow Penn Staters

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by Adam Bittner on Jan 22, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't want people fired

I want a better basketball team, and that’s the only way to accomplish that. I like Ed. He’s a nice guy, and does tons for charity. But he’s directly impacting, negatively, the success of the basketball team, and for that, he’s got to go. This isn’t about Ed at all.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Go to another weblog please, we don't need your attitude here.

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by Roland86 on Jan 22, 2010 3:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't like wrestling

and I don’t understand how any spectator could.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

b) I'm sure there are literally dozens of you

c) I’m a friend to the gays. Like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's much easier to take someone seriously

who apparently spends 15 hours a day commenting anonymously on a website.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't possibly quit

because that would mean letting you get the last word, and apparently, I’ll need to be up until 4 to get that in.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Allow me to educate you:

First, the economy sucks and has for some time. Take that for what’s it worth.

Second, me posting comments in early AM is not a regular occurrence. I’m usually tucked away by 1:00 at the latest.

Third, who cares?

by ReadingRambler on Jan 22, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't

and I’m still a little pissed, but we’re both Penn State fans, bro. I’m from New York, for us it’s win or die, and we’re a lot more cutthroat than y’all are in Central PA. I get that. I care a little too much about the basketball team, and being from NY, the quick fix is a fire. Whatever. I hope this team wins the rest of their games just like you do, I’m not rooting for this team to fail. So, whatever.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Also,

I don’t like wrestling. Well, amateur wrestling, at least. Pro wrestling is awesome. Or was, when I was 8.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm a douche?

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know.

I’ve never met you in real life. But you’re not exactly giving a good impression with the “homo erotic” comparisons and f-bombs, you know?

by ReadingRambler on Jan 22, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take heat for the cursing

but seriously, two guys rolling around on top of each other, sweating and groaning? That’s not a pretty sight, bro.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, spare us the "I'm from New York" shit, please.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 22, 2010 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

This isn't the NBA, this isn't NYC, THIS IS SPARTA.

There isn’t some magic pile of money from which we can carelessly fire coaches three months after extending their contracts. It’s not how things are handled in CBB to begin with, and certainly not how it is at Penn State. And don’t claim that you care about winning more than everyone else — these peaceful, loving central PA people wanted Joe Paterno fired a few years ago.

So buckle up and suck it, because it’s going to be a long season of losing.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 22, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I don’t know, let’s see.

-Maybe they enjoy the sport?
-Maybe it’s awesome to be truly one-on-one against your opponent. Just you and him. Who’s tougher? Who’s quicker? Who’s stronger? Who can go all seven minutes?
-Maybe they used to play more team-type sports, but they got sick of being let down by out of shape fatsos they had to play with and wanted to see how far their own talent and determination could take them?

by Governator on Jan 22, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You're wrong on so many levels

Cael didn’t get 2.5 million to come to Penn State, that was an internet rumor that has been proven to be false. I’m not sure how much he makes but I’m sure it’s comparable to or less than Ed is making. If you care that much maybe you can contact the patriot news and they’ll spend 5 years trying to get it released to the public for you.

Wrestlings home opener against Bloomsburg drew 4000+ fans this year. And that’s Bloomsburg, so while your cut throat people in up state New York may not care about wrestling many people in Pennsylvania do, and they are quite passionate about it. While I won’t argue about wrestling being more important than basketball since I think they should both be equal, same with all Penn State sports in case you haven’t noticed, which you definitely haven’t, Penn State wrestling has a very storied history, where as Penn State basketball not so much.

by psuwresfan on Jan 22, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll give you an explanation

Penn State is in the middle of god damn Pennsylvania. Wrestling is the second most popular sport in the middle of Pennsylvania, although you’d have to get 20 miles outside of State College to figure that out. What football is to Texas ans basketball is to Indiana, Pennsylvania is to wrestling. That’s why Cael Sanderson came to Penn State, it’s like taking the USC or the Texas jobs in football in the early 1990’s. I’ll be suprised, really suprised, if we’re not a year in, year out, national title contender in a few years. Sanderson isn’t a risk, he is a hand picked Warren Buffet investment. He’s paid whatever he’s worth, good.

Sorry folks, the best you’re going to get out of the basketball team is doesn’t suck every year. The only good high school basketball players in this state are from Philly. They are not moving to a town where wrestling is more popular. Periodically, maybe we get a couple of guys. Maybe we find Jimmy Chitwood just outside of Allentown, and convince to to come to Penn State. But that’s not going to build a basketball program.

Our options are cheat, or try to build something that doesn’t drop off so far when it’s bad. This season is over, of course the kids are going to quit on it. I’m not sure that means much of anything.

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by jesse. on Jan 22, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Have you ever watched Penn State wrestle?

There’s a match tonight with Illinois. At 7. At Rec (a college building with some soul, unlike the BJ Center). You should go.

You can expect to see a few things that may interest you: 1) A legendary coach who demands the best from his athletes, and gets it, regardless of their talent level (2) A fast-paced (mostly) sport that requires strength, superior conditioning, agility, quick reactions, and above all, mental toughness (3) Your fellow students literally pouring their hearts out on that blue-and-white mat, all for the Glory of Old State. Seriously though, watch Frank Molinaro and Brad Pataky wrestle and try not to get pumped up. (4) 5,000+ fans on the edge of their seats, cheering every nuance of the sport.

But honestly, to drop the old “wrestling is homo-erotic” line is about as respectful and knowledgeable as being a middle school football player snickering about the soccer team being a “bunch of sisses and fags” because they run around with shorter shorts and higher socks. Wrestling is a an awesome sport that people in the state of Pennsylvania (and in your holier-than-thou New York, gasp) appreciate. The guys work harder than, or as hard as, every other team at the school, upholding a tradition that is more storied than pretty much any at Penn State.

And Tim Curley has nothing to do with any of this. He had the chance to hire the greatest wrestler of the last 50 years at a bargain price with major institutional backing for a sport that is likely to win multiple conference and national titles with said coach. He did it. Until the admin/BoT commits to spending big $$ on a bball coach, Curley’s hands are tied.

And for the love of god, BRO, never, ever, ever, use the word “bro” on here again. This isn’t a bar, a frat, or a locker room. And we’re definitely not hanging out with Tucker Max outside Cafe 210.

/rant

by Governator on Jan 22, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I'm not sure Ed survives 0-18 or 1-17

My concern is what was raised in the post about whether he has lost the team and/or can’t motivate them anymore. I give Ott a lot of credit for taking advantage of the opportunity that he was given. I’m sure Ed was hoping that benching Jones and Brooks would light a fire in them, but it hasn’t worked. I would have never thought this, but I could really see them going 1-17, because I haven’t seen them put together one 40 minute game since they started B10 play, and now things like confidence issues and frustration for guys like Battle could come into play. This is a mess right now.

by mundyscorner99 on Jan 21, 2010 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

Ditto

I would think anything less than 3 wins is grounds for an early dismissal.

by Tim Aydin on Jan 22, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Good lord, man. Do you ever do anything other than post here?

I didn’t say that DeChellis should resign at 1:00 am on Friday morning. However, if this team goes winless in conference play, I would hope that he would have the decency to resign. He’s totally lost this team, and they’ll all be back next year so you can expect more of the same. Sorry, but adding Taran Buie and one more year of “development” of Andrew Jones, Jeff Bricks, and David Jackson is not going to be enough to get this team to the NCAA tournament. This is a terrible team that lacks fundamentals and effort. Dangerous combination right there.

You think DeChellis resigning and leaving a “shroud of question marks” hurts recruiting. How much does the lousy product that Penn State keeps putting on the court is hurting recruiting? How much does a coaching staff that has not developed any big men hurt recruiting? Everything about this season, including the total alienation of the fanbase is hurting recruiting. You can spit-shine this turd all you want, but this season is a disaster.

by PSUFlyers on Jan 22, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for clarifying.

Ed managed to get Battle and the other players to come here. And we were really bad before Battle’s sophomore year. So, is Ed really a horrible recruiter? I don’t think so.

How much does a coaching staff that has not developed any big men hurt recruiting?

One word: Ott.

Totally.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 22, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

really?

I thought he needs more time, no matter what.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

We were going to suck this year anyway and it’s insanity to just up and fire Ed and hope we catch a magic coach who can solve our problems while we risk another 3-5 year stretch of awful basketball and transfers while the the fanbase goes back to total apathy.”

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

nowhere in that paragraph was there a qualifier. Nowhere did you give a limit. All I see is “firing Ed is crazy”

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

" I don’t know yet.

I’m reserving judgement until next season. That’s my entire point."

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

What

so one game means this fundamental difference? At 0-5, you were reserving judgement, but alas, 0-6 is such a frigging catastrophe? Come on, man, at least stick to something, right or wrong.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, Devon. I'll stick to something so you can have someone to argue with.

But, no seriously, watching Babb take those shots is annoying someone who likes to listen to Bob Knight complain about KSU not getting enough motion on offense. I’m someone who likes a 45-44 game if it features good fundamental defense.

Thus, I guess you could say I’ve had enough of Babb’s shooting and other PSU plays of that sort.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 22, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll give him a pass for the shooting for now

He needs to develop an inside game for the future, though.

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by Adam Bittner on Jan 22, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Shot well in streaks

And I honestly saw him play with a lot of energy in Champaign. He can bring a lot to the table when he’s fully healthy, but the fact that he’s an enigma right now shows shows how far her still has to go.

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by Adam Bittner on Jan 22, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Babb

and like the fact that he’ll drive to the rim when his shot isn’t falling. The penetration game is what we need to develop more, because when we run the weave, it’s just taking the ball across the perimeter, suckily.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

“We were going to suck this year regardless of Ed.
But to just fire him and hope "something will fall in our lap"? That’s ludicrous. That’s internet mob at it’s finest.”

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

RUTS, does energy and passion help them hit shots, block out, or get back in transition?

Or hit free throws.

They showed Battle during a timeout screaming at his teammates, waving his arms around, etc. They responded by missing shots.

If Battle can’t do it, who can? Maybe we just suck?

I dunno.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 22, 2010 1:01 AM EST reply actions  

I'm just debating this all in my mind.

Ed’s “system” [chortle] seems to be based on recruiting talent. I see forced shots and bad fundamentals (of course, some of these guys are juniors – truly unacceptable). That may work for John Wall or Bob Huggins, but…Andrew Ott.

My favorite basketball coach is probably either Bo Ryan or Tom Izzo, so obviously I’m not a fan of that “system”.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 22, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Michigan State plays uptempo, bro.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Michigan State defends well.

Izzo has pulled starters who didn’t rebound IIRC.

There’s a difference between uptempo and no fundamentals.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 22, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, sure

but Tom Izzo and Bo Ryan, while both good coaches, couldn’t run different systems. It would be like comparing Rex Ryan and Bill Walsh.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes,

but to say their players play smart basketball is a broad statement.
Duke plays smart basketball. UNC plays smart basketball. Syracuse, UConn, Georgetown—good teams with good coaching get that out of their players! It’s not an “Izzo” thing or a “Ryan” thing, especially considering that the two coaches come from remarkably different schools of thought after “don’t do anything stupid.”

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Look, all I'm saying is that's a strange 2 to pick

Other than having good teams that have good fundamentals, you couldn’t have picked two different guys.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I like basketball and football when they're well played.

And Wisconsin and MSU thrive on fundamental basketball. Doesn’t hurt that the two coaches are somewhat eccentric.

That’s all.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 22, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I guess that’s like saying your favorite football coaches are Paul Johnson and Mike Leach.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

and then again

I did love watching Navy/GT and Leach-led TTU teams play.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Put it on Brooks and Jones. Period.

If you think about them individually, can you really say a bad word about the rest of this team? Ott has made big strides. Jackson, while he still has a long way to go, is finally harnassing some consistancy. Babb before he got hurt, was improving every game, and at Illinois, before the injury, he even showed signs that he could be the elusive Battle sidekick.

Cam Woodyard has been a nice spark off the bench. His shooting numbers tonight we’re screwed up by at least 3 desparation shots he took in the final minute.

Edwards and Frazier are screwing up a lot, but both remind me of a young Battle, going on and trying to make plays, even if they look really bad sometimes.

At the end of the day, I don’t think Ed’s done an altogether horrible job of developing these kids…excepts Jones and Brooks. And I tend to lay a lot of the blame for that at the feet of the players more than I do the coach. We’ve seen what they can do. They’re just playing like lazy asses right now.

And don’t give me this crap about Ed being a lousy motivator. If making household names out of yourselves at a school with not basketball tradition and a huge following isn’t motivation enough, then you can’t be helped.

This team has collapsed around those two, simple as that. This isn’t about Ed’s recruiting. This isn’t about his ability to motivate. This isn’t even about his serious struggles managing in game situations. It’s about Andrew Jones and Jeff Brooks playing like garbage.

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by Adam Bittner on Jan 22, 2010 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, I agree

but who’s fault is it that the players aren’t playing? It’s either on the coach (as a recruiter) for not landing the type of impact players who can give Talor Battle effective second option, on the coach (as a developer of talent) for not taking mediocre players and developing them into reliable second options, or, on the coach (as a motivator) for not coaxing all the talent and energy out of the players once they get in the game.

Yes, it really is all on the coach.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 22, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

This is nuts

Ed Dechellis isn’t losing because he’s incapable. He’s losing for the same reasons Jim Leyland, Gene Lamont, Lloyd McClendon, and Jim Tracy lost with the Pirates: the people above him.

Ed walked into an athletic department that had run the basketball program about as far into the ground as it could go. No players. No facilities. No fans.

Today, we have Talor Battle, a championship banner in the rafters, legitimate, BCS level facilities, and a fan base that, even with under 30 seconds to play, had mostly stuck around because of the belief deep down that they’d get to witness another miracle tonight.

I’m not going to sit here and say the man doesn’t have his shortcomings. He’s probably a below average in-game manager, and he’ll never be confused with Calapari as a recruiter.

But he’s done, in my opinion, the best he could with what he’s got, and unless Penn State decides it’s going to invest in the basketball program and bring in someone legitimately better than Ed Dechellis, like a Bob Knight, and Jamie Dixon, etc., there’s no reason to fire Dechellis for the hell of it.

Sometimes, you just lose basketball games. Sometimes you have rough seasons. Just because this one has been a little rougher than we imagined it would be doesn’t mean it’s time to sharpen the axe, and doesn’t mean it’s time to start writing off next season before Taran Buie even finishes at State High.

At the end of the day, Ed won’t be fired because he’s a crappy recruiter. He found 3 of the best basketball players the program has ever known in Geary Claxton, Jamelle Cornley, and Talor Battler. He won’t be fired because he can’t develop players. He turned an undersized Cornley into a monster in the middle and a lightly recruited PG out of Albany into what we’ve been told is the best NBA prospect in the Big 10 right now. And he won’t be fired because he can’t motivate. He motivated 33 bus loads of kids to show up at Madison Square Garden for what was in effect, a consolation championship that most schools are ashamed of winning.

Ed Dechellis will be fired for the shortcomings of those before him, and those above him, and that’s too bad.

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by Adam Bittner on Jan 22, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I will say...

That this was easily the worst effort this team has given all year.

I was willing to write off the Charleston funk.

I was willing to write off losses to good Virginia Tech and Temple squads.

I was willing to write off losing to Minnesota and Illinois on the road in close game.

I was willing to write of getting pwned by Wisconsin, a team I don’t think we’ll ever beat.

I’m beginning to be willing to write off losing to a Michigan team that beat UCONN the other day and can be really, really good when it chooses to be.

And I’ll even go so far as to say I was able to live with losing to Iowa on the road.

But watching this crap fest tonight from the lack of intensity on the defensive glass, to the poor rotations on defense, to the lack of motion in the half court offensive sets, to the dreadful free throw shooting, right down to losing to a bad team in front of the 2nd biggest crowd you’ve had at home all year, this one sucked a big one.

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by Adam Bittner on Jan 22, 2010 2:28 AM EST reply actions  

Disgraceful man.

I just don’t know what to thin about this whole basketball situation anymore, I really don’t.

Quite honestly, I don’t know what it will take. I can’t put my finger on it. This is such a clusterfudge that I don’t know if it will ever get sorted out. It is so damn depressing. I’ve followed this team for a longass time and put up with the awful awful teams with sporadic tournament appearances for so long, maybe I got caught up in the false promise of last year, who knows?

I will say this. I love the crap out of Talor Battle. Every night he puts up his numbers, and seemingly tries to motivate, but nothing works. I feel so bad for this kid. He is a stud and has to suffer through this crap? I know it has to kill this dude. I just hope he never loses hope as I have. Because if Talor checks out mentally, this team wouldn’t beat State High let alone a big ten team.

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by Roland86 on Jan 22, 2010 3:34 AM EST reply actions  

I think the loss of Cornley really hurt this team.

Obviously it’s much more than that, but he did much more than play good b-ball.

by smashtheguitar on Jan 22, 2010 8:04 AM EST reply actions  

And one other thing...

It’s that building. The Bryce Jordan Center sucks. If it can suck all the energy out of a Bruce Springsteen concert, imagine what it does to a basketball team. It’s a barn, they will never fill it consistently, and even if they did…it would still suck. It’s just got awful mojo, it’s hard to quantify, but suffice to say, it sucks.

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by jesse. on Jan 22, 2010 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Sucking?

In the BJ Center?

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by The Man with One Black Shoe on Jan 22, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

There's nothing to do.

They built and empty, souless building, and staff it like a concentration camp. The Bryce Jordan Center is where hope, happiness and excitment go to die under florescent lights in front of 6,000 people.

Just keep swimin'...

by jesse. on Jan 22, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This

The place wasn’t built for basketball. It was built to host Miley Cyrus.

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by Adam Bittner on Jan 22, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

It was built

so Bobby Knight didn’t have to coach in Rec Hall.

Just keep swimin'...

by jesse. on Jan 22, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

That too

But there’s really no reason for it to hold 16,000 people. Even if the basketball team was good they’d never be able to fill that place on weeknights.

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by Adam Bittner on Jan 22, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Correct.

9,500 would be about perfect.

Just keep swimin'...

by jesse. on Jan 22, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It was built for Ice Hockey?

(Hey – I’m still trying…)

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by IcersGuy on Jan 22, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. It's an event center.

Although I had season tix for the first year and that place definitely got loud. The BJC is part of the issue, though.

Really, I’d compare being a psu bball fan to being a KC Royals fan.

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