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Suppose I told you before the game that Penn State was going to take the No. 19 ranked Wisconsin Badgersinto overtime on the road. Considering that the Nittany Lions had looked awful in their last two games against Indiana and Iowa and didn't look like they belonged on the same court with these same Badgers a few weeks ago in the Jordan Center, I would call that progress. But since Penn State carried a 13 point lead with ten minutes to go in the game, you can chalk it up as another colossal collapse by this young Nittany Lion squad.

The Good

Penn State came out with a lot of intensity and played like they wanted to win for a change. They jumped out early and led by double digits for three quarters of regulation. Jumping out quick is half the equation. The other half is playing equally well in the second half.

Andrew Ott is doing everything he can to solidify himself in the starting lineup. Overall he played a good game with six points and three rebounds in 28 minutes, and he mostly played some pretty solid inside defense.

Chris Babb had some key shots and scored 16 points. He's been playing with a sore finger he dislocated a week ago. Welcome to the Big Ten, son, where playing hurt is a way of life.

Penn State outrebounded Wisconsin 33-23. They have outrebounded every opponent in Big Ten play thus far. A truly astonishing statistic for an 0-7 team.

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The Bad

Where was Jeff Brooks? Nine minutes? He didn't have any turnovers, and he pulled down four rebounds. It's pretty disappointing that three years into the system, in a huge game like this, and he hardly made any impact at all.

Where was Tim Frazier? The boxscore I'm looking at says he started and only played three minutes. I remember a nice assist he had to Battle in the first half and that was it. Either he's nursing an injury or Ed has decided to cut back his minutes until he cuts back the turnovers. Frazier had one turnover in his three minutes.

Where was Andrew Jones? The redshirt junior played just 16 minutes. No points, two missed foul shots, one rebound, and two turnovers. His lousy play is a large reason why this team is struggling so much. We were counting on him to average ten points and eight or nine rebounds per game.

The Ugly

Turnovers. Turnovers absolutely kill this team. Penn State rebounded better (33-23) and shot the ball better (51.8% to 43.3%) than Wisconsin, but they lost the game because they turned the ball over 18 times to just 5 times for Wisconsin. Give your opponent an extra 13 possessions per game isn't going to serve you well.

The Nitts got killed 19-11 in overtime. They were completely gassed. If I'm critical of Ed on one thing in this game, it's the fact that Jackson, Battle, and Babb played over 40 minutes while Edwards played 37. Ott and Jones split their time. Other than that Ed did not use the bench at all. Frazier had three minutes, Woodyard had four, and Brooks had nine. The players Ed wanted to go with had nothing left at the end. That said, Bo Ryan played five guys for more than 36 minutes. So they were probably tired too. But they had the home crowd to push them at the end. We didn't.

Commentary On the Last Play of Regulation

There was a lot of discussion in the open thread about the last play of regulation. To set the scene for those who missed it, Wisconsin is on a furious run to come back late. Jordan Taylor scored a bucket to tie the game at 60 with 0:26 to go. The crowd is going nuts. Penn State inbounds the ball and Talor Battle brings it up to half court and looks at the bench. Everyone expects Ed to call a timeout and draw up a play, but he didn't. Penn State spread the floor. Battle let the clock wind down to five seconds, and then he cross dribble faked and threw up a three point shot from the top of the key that missed badly. Calls for Ed's head erupt in the comments.

But I think it was a good call by Ed. His best player had the ball in his hands with the shot clock turned off. If Ed calls a timeout, Bo Ryan tells his guys "Don't let Talor Battle get the ball." So who takes our last shot? Jackson? Edwards? Babb? Ott? I think Ed was sharp to recognize this and let the play go. Let your best player, who has a flare for the dramatic and has won you numerous games in the last second, take his man one-on-one. If it works, we're all calling Ed a genius. Unfortunately, it didn't work, and now Ed looks like an idiot. Such is life as a basketball coach.

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This is the first time they've played really well against a tough opponent this year.

They’re just so young, they don’t know what do with themselves when the home team makes a run.

As for Frazier, he played against Wisconsin weeks ago and he turned the ball over at a terrible rate.

And Ott? Man, if we can just get somebody to teach him how to handle the ball in the post, we could have Goran Suton-lite.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 24, 2010 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

My Take.

The Good-Those who watched saw some moderate improvement. They looked good for a while, but Ed haters won’t see that.

The Bad-The entire team turns the ball over like freshman, and only one freshman was really on the court (although he contributed to the freshman-like turnovers. But he has an obvious excuse).

The Ugly-Could anyone really complain about attendance? I find it hard to watch close loss after close loss and watch our Moral Victory column get higher and higher. I would shudder if I paid to watch these every single night. At least we can count on the senior citizens to hold us down. I do go to some games, more than most. But I don’t want to pay to be in a bad mood 3 hours after the game.
-I’m still not sure the team doesn’t mail it in for the rest of the season. The Ed thing will hang over the team but regardless who the coach is, if youth is such a problem, how will they get over MULTIPLE, I repeat, MULTIPLE close losses? They could come out and beat Illinois, or they could regress.
-I’m worried about what could happen. At this point, what real reason does Talor have to come back again? Playing with his brother may be important but we dont know how important. What does losing Ed do to recruits? And heaven forbid, transfers? And winning next year looks more likely, but that’s not written in stone either. What happens if…Ed just isn’t the guy? More years of mediocrity would kill what momentum we had.

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by OMEGAMAN on Jan 24, 2010 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

Ed's not going anywhere

Don’t worry about that. We held on to Jerry Dunn for two seasons too long. Ed will be fine.

by BSD on Jan 24, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree Ed will not be going anywhere

But even if they did fire him, they wouldn’t replace him with some big name like some people may think because of $$$. I would be willing to bet that they would just promote someone like Dan Earl.

by mundyscorner99 on Jan 24, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

So after Ed makes the Sweet Sixteen, then we can fire him the next year.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 24, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It's like you're trying to start an internet meme.

Jerry Dunn did not take that team to the Sweet Sixteen. Crispin, Ivory, et al did it. Ed probably would have done the exact same.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 24, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

the 2008-09 team was better

than that team was.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 24, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh come on

Wasn’t the 2000-01 team 7-11 in the Big Ten?

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by PSUdevon on Jan 24, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

11-9

Along with a win at Kentucky and a tourney win against an MSU team that made the Final Four for the third straight year.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 24, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

and the 2008-09 team

beat MSU all the same, in East Lansing.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 24, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait

comparing the two most successful PSU basketball teams in 30 years is apples and oranges? Comparing the Sweet Sixteen team to, say, the 1986 football team would be apples and oranges. At worst, this is like comparing red deliciouses and Mackintoshes.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 24, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

If Brooks or Jones could bring anything to the table

They would have won this game and probably 2 or 3 others in the B10. I hate to single people out, but those two players (1) were big reasons why we thought this team would still be decent despite an expected drop-off from last year (based on end of season performances) and (2) are their regression is the biggest reason why this team hasn’t lived up to its potential. If they could even bring decent play it would be very helpful to get this teams some W’s. Look where the overall games of Brooks and Jones were at their best levels, and look where they are at now. It is a shame because they both have some talent but they have played so poorly that I don’t feel they deserve to be out there anymore than they have recently. They have to EARN their starting spots back.

As for the other guys, I think Ott has played really well and displayed some ACTUAL moves on offense. I still think he is catching up to the pace of the game and that is why he shuffles his feet or makes bad TO’s at times. I think he can improve on that. I like Edwards’ game, considering he is a freshman. He has some moves, and is not afraid to take a shot, but he’s not completely out of control. He does have some TO’s, but he’s still very young and hopefully he can improve on it as well.

I am totally fine with not calling a timeout at the end of regulation. THese guys have all been in this spot before…a timeout is not always necessary. My issue is that considering how much driving to the hoop Battle did, I feel like he could have got a better shot than what he did. It wasn’t the worst look, but if the situation was reversed, do you think Wisconsin was going to settle for that shot after getting the ball with 25 seconds left? I’m fine with having the ball in your best player’s hands, but we’ve already tried that (i.e. Illinois, Va Tech) and maybe other guys could be uncovered.

The effort today was great, my concern is how long is the losing going to last before it completely takes away the spirits of the team where they just mail it in. They need to get rid of the 0 in the W Column soon.

by mundyscorner99 on Jan 24, 2010 7:06 PM EST reply actions  

That's what I would have thought he would done

He’s such a good driver I feel like that would have been the better decision. He could have drawn a foul that way too.

Yargh. Frustrating game.

by speedomike on Jan 25, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I thought Battle’s attempt was weak. But he played the entire game and he’s on a tender ankle and he wasn’t having much success earlier in driving. So all of that probably played a factor in his decision.

by BSD on Jan 25, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Unquestionalby his most frustrating play...

Is when he tries to drive against guys almost a foot taller than him. He did that twice, got blocked, and I think he gave up.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 25, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Did not see the play...but

Battle will learn how to use his body to get a call and get to the line. He reminds me of Scottie Reynolds, except Battle is faster, much faster. If his teammates improve to where he can trust them, he will be very, very deadly.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 25, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Battle.

But his driving ability just hasn’t worked well against teams with height like Illinois and Wisconsin and I don’t think he was confident and willing to try it again.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 25, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

He needs to learn how to...

better get defenders to leave their feet with subtle up fakes.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 25, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

He has to use the middle-ground

He’s either lining up for the three or driving in deep for the layup. As you’ve mentioned, he’s been driving into tall trees as of late and has been seeing a number of rejections. And while the three’s have fallen before, it’s still a low-percentage shot.

What I’d like to see every now and then is him forcing the drive and then pulling up for a mid-range jumper. He’s got the talent to do all three, but he just needs to mix them up to keep the defenses more off-balance.

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by IcersGuy on Jan 25, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

When he catches the ball at the top of the key

he does a good job manuevering to get a nice floater or jump shot from about 17. He did that against Baylor a couple times and early against Wisconsin faked out some defender with a beautiful up an under. It’s pulling up that he won’t do, but coming off curls and getting the ball for an open 2 works.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 25, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Good God, I'm so happy that I didn't see this debacle today.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 24, 2010 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

Why?

It wasn’t a debacle. They led for most of the game and then their youth showed. Youth and inexperience was to be expected, patience on offense and solid defense was most certainly not.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 24, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

let me say

I’d rather lose wire to wire and not get emotionally invested. If I’m going to lose, give me the “be sucking all game, make a furious comeback and fall just short” variety.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 24, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think losing a 17 point lead qualfies as debacle status.

Seems like a pretty easy call.

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by Run Up The Score on Jan 24, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Looked upon the definition of debacle. You're right.

But it’s, uh, not as bad as we’ve seen before. By that I mean, Michigan basically tried to hand that game to us – we were playing horribly.

So, 0-7 BUT SOMEWHAT PROGRESS. Out: suicide is painless. In: Maybe we can lead by 20 next time?

by ReadingRambler on Jan 25, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I looked up the defintion of 'par for the course'

And RR is right as well.

So, its a debacle, AND its par for the Nittany Lion Basketball course!
Everyone is correct in describing just how wrong this program is.

by NittanyBadger on Jan 25, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

In other news...

The Lady Lions tried to do the same exact thing (Piss away a double-digit lead late) today but were unsuccessful and held on to beat Illinois. As a result they have now won 6 in a row, are 15-4 overall and sit all alone in second in the Big 11 at 7-2.

Just a thought, could we let Coach Washington run a few men’s practices the next couple of weeks just to see what happens? I mean we can’t get worse than 0-for the Big 10 can we?

by LegalLion on Jan 24, 2010 10:43 PM EST reply actions  

Positives

I’m sorry if I come off as a homer, but PSU played a great game today, minus the choke. They’re young and only have Battle, so they’re going to blow games they should win (amazingly this team should have 3 or 4 wins in the Big Ten, they are just so young and Battle can’t do it all by himself).

As for Frasier, as I predicted, he got exposed in the B10. Defense rules in this league, and when going up against a Bo Ryan team (who is a top 5 coach in the NCAA), if you don’t have an off hand, you can’t run the point. Sadly he doesn’t have a jumper yet, and someone like Hughes would abuse him on defense to the point where the Lions would be severely handicapped.

As for Ott. I am a basher, but he is playing very well. He held his own down-low on D, but is too slow on pick and rolls. This game was the progress I was looking for.

by STU Boy on Jan 24, 2010 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I just see no reason to be depressed by this game.

Wisconsin is really a much, much better team than us. We were playing with house money with a young team. We showed more patience on offense than I ever recall seeing. 0-7 sucks, but losing this game really doesn’t.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 25, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the following sequence was interesting:

They’re leading big. Suddenly Wisconsin starts hitting some outside shots. They panic, take forced shots, stop working the clock, etc. Ed calls a timeout and calms them down. They score on one or two possessions. Then Wisconsin hits another outside shot and pressures them on defense and they panic again.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 25, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Saw none of this

God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...

by Adam Bittner on Jan 25, 2010 12:02 AM EST reply actions  

Get to the facts

six turnovers is absolutly unacceptable, even for a freshman! This is not a young team.., the team has experienced junior players. Ed needs to utilized the talents from the bench to get fresh legs and valuable contributions. They lack leadership and that does not include jacking up desparate shots in the last minutes of any game.

by got to get a win on Jan 25, 2010 12:21 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Its funny.

I was at a going away party for one of my buddies who is leaving for bootcamp in a week. I get score update texts from ESPN, which for NCAAB come at the end of each half.

So I get the text that says we are leading at the half. I just laughed. Then I got the text that said we were headed to overtime. I chuckled. Then I got the final score saying we lost and that Battle had a 28-8-8 line. I cried. Then my Vikes pulled a PSU basketball later on. I nearly broke my fist.

The only thing holding me onto this catastraf**ck is Mr. Talor Battle. The more I see what he does, the more I want to believe that he can make it in the association. I hope he does.

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by Roland86 on Jan 25, 2010 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

classic Joe Paterno Football

Just add 15 yards to Joe’s field goal comfort range, and he would called the exact same 3 plays if he were in that same situation. And if this were 2007 Penn State football, we’d have probably had the exact same conclusion too.

People were trying to blame Childress, especially Favre fanboys, for his conservative coaching. Well as a Penn State fan, I think if conservative coaching is what go you there, that’s what will win you the game too. You just hope you have a guy at QB who’s not a knucklehead, and you don’t kill yourself with a stupid penalty when it matters most.

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by millzners on Jan 25, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

If you weren't 100% sure...

Chilly and Favre were going to blow that, you haven’t watched the NFL. The end of game mis-management was right out of the Andy Reid book of end of game management. Page 43.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 25, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually predicted before the game, that Favre’s last play of the game (and eventually his career) would be an interception. When he threw the 2nd pick I looked at my friend and said “the saints are going to win the toss and kick the field goal, you just watch” I didn’t even watch the end of the game, I left and went home after the 4th and inches HB dive play.

What was Favre supposed to do? He can’t argue with fate.

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by millzners on Jan 25, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

No you can't...

I the end it doesn’t really matter, b/c neither of the teams I saw yesterday can stay with the Colts. Manning is so annoyingly good.

Never mistake effort for achievement.

by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 25, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

The only team that could beat the Colts is the Colts, both literally and figuratively. Either the Colts make stupid mistakes and turnovers (figuratively), or litterally it’s Peyton vs. Peyton b/c the only QB that can keep up with him is himself.

"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.

by millzners on Jan 26, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Odd comment in Pittsburgh papers

Reading through the sports section in the Post today I saw an article about the downtown in State basketball. This line caught my eye: “Since Joe Paterno became the head coach at Penn State the Lions have made only 3 trips to the NCAA tournament.” Yikes.

by Tony77019 on Jan 25, 2010 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah...

It was all final fours and national championships before then.

Just keep swimin'...

by jesse. on Jan 25, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

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