New Year, New Coach, Same Result
The Penn State wrestling team was in action twice this weekend and managed a weekend split.
The good news is the beat Illinois for the first time in 50+ years. The bad news, frankly, they wrestled like crap.
They stormed out to a surprising 18-0 lead on Friday against Illinois before coasting to a 24-11 final. Sunday, they looked like they never got off the bus and got beat, 21-14. Was the score better than last year? Sure. Was the wrestling better? Definitely not.
125: Pataky went 2 - 0 on the weekend but was rather uninspiring in the process. He beat John Deenan of Illinois 7-3 on Friday and Nikko Triggas 9-7 on Sunday. Pataky SHOULD be much better than both guys but he sure didn't look like it. The Triggas match was so sloppy I felt like I was watching to elementary school kids go at it. I know Triggas likes to try big moves but Brad should be better than that. Brad's a 5th year Junior now I'm tired of waiting for him to turn the corner. All you read about in the offseason is how focused he is, and yet he still wrestles like a freshman. I think only once this year has he wrestled smart for the entire match and the was the win over Garnett at the Virginia Duals. He's become far to enamored with trying to hit a big move, there's a reason guys like Kinser are always ranked high but never see the podium in march. Smart wrestling will be uncontrolled craziness 9 times out of 10.
133: Pearsall picked up his first Big Ten win in a bit of an upset on Friday and then was embarrassed by Ian Paddock on Sunday. Even in the win, Pearsall didn't impress, although I won't argue with a win for a kid who clearly shouldn't be a big ten starter. But he completely gassed in the 3rd period, actually frankly he started to slow in the second period. I honestly thought he was gonna lose it late but he hung. His conditioning looked terrible but when you're getting pinned constantly I guess that's tough to work on. His effort Sunday was extremely disappointing, Paddock is good, but Pearsall made him look like the next Cael Sanderson. From start to finish he showed no fight at all, luckily Paddock got sloppy going for a tech at the end Pearsall literally fell into a reversal to salvage a team point.
141: Lynch also went 1 - 1 on the weekend he got the biggest upset of the weekend when he caught and pinned Prater from Illinois. Lynch was wrestling tough before that, and he's shown a tremendous ability to scramble and finish when he catches someone near their back. Against Humphrey he was clearly over matched, but the effort was still disappointing. It looked like he basically quit mid way through the second. Also how many times can you get caught flat footed against a kid whose best move is a duck under.
149: Molinaro also split the weekend he picked up a decent win against Terrazas of Illinois but frankly he should have gotten bonus points in that bout. Multiple times this weekend he had deep single leg shots that he failed to finish, that needs to improve if he wants to have any chance to all american at this weight. Then he lost a close hard fought bout with Palmer at Ohio State. It was a decent effort although the quick reversal to start the 3rd was inexcusable. Also while the ref was at best inconsistent, and should have hit Palmer for stalling the Big Ten announcers were absolutely right during the broadcast Frank needs to be smart enough to do something else. Sure Palmer shouldn't be allowed to hang on your leg but don't try to get the ref to wrestle the match for you mix it up once in awhile. This match should also provide him with a clear picture he needs to do a better job creating angles on his shots. While he has the strength to get that quick blast double on most guys it's not happening on strong 149 lbers like Palmer. And if he didn't get the picture yet he will this weekend against Metcalf and Ruschell.
157: Sanderson won both matches this weekend but much like Pataky wasn't overwhelming in either. The match against Polz was extremely disappointing it was like he stopped wrestling after the second period. The Johnson match was the sloppiest I've ever seen him wrestle. He didn't look particularly sharp against either guy, unfortunately there really isn't anyone who can test him in the big ten so he'll likely get away with until NCAAs.
165: Dan Vallimont also lost his marquee bout of the weekend against Sponsellor, he did manage to pick up a pretty solid win on Friday night. The match against Barczak of Illinois was good although it was disappointing to not get the major when he had a minute and half to get a takedown. He like Molinaro needs to do a better job of creating angles on his shots, if a guy like Barczak has no problem blocking you off for over a minute you are going to have problems. The Sponsellor match was a huge disappointment, hopefully history repeats itself and he is able to get revenge at the Big Tens. There is no excuse for getting ridden out the entire 3rd period, he's been 5 years you'd think he would have learned some offense from the bottom position by now. He'll get two more big tests this weekend he really needs to get at least one win to get some momentum going into the end of the season.
174: Ortega dropped both matches this weekend, I don't want to say much since I know he's wrestling with a heart problem, but it might be time to sit him down. He has looked horrible of late, he made Rella look like a national title contender against Ohio State. It's clear the energy just isn't there, the offense just isn't there, this is pretty much a complete mess at this point.
184: Erwin split the weekend, although he didn't get to wrestle Pucillo of Ohio State which would have been a good match for him. The match against Ohio State is hardly worth mentioning as Pucillo's replacement was terrible. The match against Dergo was a great match until the end. Erwin thought the match was over at the end of regulation, not sure if he though he won or lost, but it wasn't over. I would hope he thought he won since he didn't take any shots the final minute and half. Over time was extremely disappointing as he gave the deciding takedown way to easily. He's certainly come along way but he still has a long way to go and not much time left to do it.
197: Doesn't seem to matter who Penn State puts out at this weight both results were about the same. Steadman and Crowell both lost by decision. If you're looking for positive they managed to hold it to a decision. There weren't many positives other than that, neither guy did much offensively.
Hwt: Wade did what he was supposed to do he won both matches with relative ease. Now it's time to take the next step he needs to learn how to finish a match, he could have had a major in both matches but failed both times. The 3rd period against Morrison was particularly bad as he gave up two takedowns in the final period.
Overall, Cael pretty much summed it up with his post match remarks both nights, the effort just isn't there. I'm gonna try to avoid going off the deep end like the Michigan State radio guy, but this isn't going to be pretty.
This team, like years past, talks about being tougher and fighting but there is no fight. They didn't just get out wrestled by Ohio State, they were out worked. And Cael is right that match was there for the taking and Penn State showed no desire to go out and get it. I'm still waiting for the supposed "Cael Sanderson Effect" to take place because frankly this is the same team the got Troy Sunderland run out of town last year. Now I know you have to let Cael get his guys in here and give him time, I'm not calling for his head, yet. I'm tired of talking about how good they're gonna be next year, because frankly I'm starting to wonder.
You have 4 guys in this lineup that shouldn't be starters at a major college program, their losses are to be expected. But the other guys, the ones that are supposed to be the cornerstones of next years greatness, aren't doing much better. Year after year after year this team sucks from the bottom position. Honestly the whole team might need to start taking neutral, because they aren't getting out. From top to bottom the team sucked in the third period this weekend. You have guys who just frankly aren't wrestling smart. Pataky and Sanderson were going out there with reckless abandon from some of the lesser wrestlers that would be a good thing, but for guys with their talent that unnecessary and poor.
For the 2nd time this year we had a guy who didn't know the score at the end of the match, is our mat awareness that bad that we have no sense of what the situation is in the match. That would certainly explain a lot. There's still no killer instinct on this team at all from top to bottom. Last week there was an article in the Collegian about how Cael was teaching everyone to be tougher and go out there and push people around for 7 minutes. It's funny because they wrote essentially the same article about Troy Sunderland last year, and yet again it seems to be falling on deaf ears. There's only so much a coach can do and it has to be frustrating. It's on the wrestlers now they need to wake up and get after it. Troy Sunderland is probably sitting back drinking a beer and smiling right that he no longer has to deal with this.
As a final complaint, what was with the bench during the Ohio State match? The Ohio State guys were into every match, every time you saw the Penn State bench it looked like they were actually wrestling at 10 when the BTN aired the match, and ready for bed. I know it's tough losing consistently but get fired up. A few of those matches were huge individual matches. During the Vallimont match it looked like our bench was watching a funeral.
This weekend they head to Carver Hawkeye arena to take on top-ranked Iowa, and then head to Wisconsin on Sunday. Honestly, I'll be happy if they win more than 1 match against Iowa -- they're in for the beating of a lifetime. And if they thought the officiating was bad at Ohio State they haven't seen anything yet. The Wisconsin match is a winnable one if they come out with some fight, but even that one will likely be a pretty big struggle. Two guys in particular are in for big weekends. Molinaro takes on #1 Metcalf Friday night and #2 Kyle Ruschell against Wisconsin. Vallimont takes on #5 Ryan Morningstar and #1 Andrew Howe.
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aka The Offseason.
I’m just kidding, it’s good to get updates on less covered sports.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jan 26, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Ya got me fired up, dude!
Great freakin commentary. Thanks for all the emotion. Will be real curious to see how Frankie fares this weekend. Not that any weekend isn’t a bad time to run into Metcalf, but after he got kneed in the head seems a little extra daunting.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
I don't share your disappointment/pessimism.
We’re starting guys that shouldn’t be anywhere near a line-up card, because that’s all we’ve got. Burn all the redshirts to win a couple dual meets? Foolish, but something an insecure coach might do. Cael ain’t insecure.
He mentioned after OSU that he may be overworking the guys. Maybe he’s just covering for his boys,but guys dragging in the third means one of two things: they’re either not in shape, or they’re beat down exhausted. I guarantee it isn’t the shapey thing.
His system is also weeding out the program, for various reasons. This creates openings, with the chance of replacing with better talent.
The expection at the beginning of the year was that we could be a pretty decent tournament team, but a dual meet flop. That’s about what we are, except that I’m actually surprised at a couple of our wins.
As far as I’m concerned (which means, of course, jack shit), we’re right on schedule
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 26, 2010 10:58 PM EST reply actions
Good counter-emotion
I’m a half-full dude myself, plus I’m more excited about the Shadow Squad than I am about the Vallimonts of our team, so I appreciate this take as well.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
Don't forget
Vallimont was 3rd in the country his sophomore year and his losses all came to Poeta the runner up who really should have won the title that year. I’ll be pretty stoked if any of our young guys achieve that as a sophomore.
Agreed, I'm with you on that stoke
Then, we’ll have the new interesting question of ‘can Cael help them improve from SO 3rd to JR/SR 1st?’ Everything I’m reading suggests Vallimont’s been operating at somewhat of a plateau. Is that a product of his weight change, do you think?
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
Ya gotta look ahead.
He’s got another great class coming in, and he may RS them all again. When the new Shadow Team eventually join forces with our current Shadow Team, what you won’t see is boring wrestling.
Cael’s gotta be thinking 2-3 years of accumulation to reach elite status, and another 2 to commence mat-wipings.
This year was bound to be a frustration, due to the amount of hype vs the available talent and depth. He most definitely didn’t inherit a juggernaut.
We cool, psuwresfan. We cool.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 26, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still looking ahead..
I still think this team could win a title next year in Philly, probably ambitious but it could still happen. My biggest problem is that while it’s ok for the fans to look ahead, it’s not ok for the team to do the same thing. As a dual meet team yea were about where I expected. But as a tournament team Penn State could have still been pretty good this year they have 4 guys capable of being high all americans Pataky, Molinaro, Sanderson and Vallimont, and two Erwin and Wade who with good tournaments could be all americans. But from the way were wrestling now, I think we may end up with 1 maybe 2 low all americans.
It’s frustrating and it seems like guys just aren’t getting better as the year they’re staying the same or regressing. I’m not one to attack college athletes, especially wrestlers. It’s a tough sport and they’re making a huge sacrifice but the team has just looked flat for the past few years and it seems even Cael can’t spark some of these guys. Don’t get me wrong I wrestled most of my life and most of these guys could beat me within 30 seconds probably but I’m not a starter on a big ten team either.
I’m glad you mentioned the over training comment, because that’s another one that Sunderland used to say over and over. I’m not saying Cael and Sunderland are equal. The recruiting under Sunderland after Hughes left was terrible which is why we have the lineup we do and basically zero depth behind the starters at most weights. But the excuse has been used before.
I don’t want to sound like I’m arguing with you because I’m not I agree the future is still bright, I think Quentin is probably the best wrestler on this team and he’s redshirting this year. But just because the future is bright doesn’t mean this year’s team can get away with mailing it in.
Are they 'mailing it in'?
Troy left us mostly with…..well, whatever it is we’ve got. That’s that.
Cael is focusing on the NCAA’s. Period. This year, anyway. Since you wrestled for a long time, you know that every coach’s desire is to get the guys to peak for the post-season. That’s where the glory is.
Honestly, this is a lousy time in the season – especially if you’re working to keep your weight stable. You’ve been at it for months, and the Big Dance is still weeks away. Team members are dropping out, which means practice partners disappear. Plus, dual meet mentality is way different than tourney mentality.
Are these good excuses for wrestling flat? Nope. You’re correct.
Let’s see what happens at the Big Tens, and how many qualify for nationals. If these guys peak, we could be fine.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 27, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Brett Metcalf. Shudder.
I’m almost glad that a) I know nothing about wrestling and have been unable to follow it, and b) this match won’t be televised.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2010 12:17 AM EST reply actions
Is that like Terry Stross and Marvin McKnight?
Brent would like a word with you outside.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
Metcalf better remember his pal Caldwell.
He’s baaack……….
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'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 27, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
I am just pumped.
I wish I could make some matches or even catch the rare televised ones. These updates from you guys are great, but I feel like I don’t really know the team that well as I haven’t been to a match in awhile. Seems they are always when I am scheduled to work or have something happening.
Anywho, I can’t wait to see the result a couple years from now. It will be nice to throw some team national titles up there on the wall to go with some individual ones. In the meantime, I think Pete is right and this squad is about where it was expected/should be. We lack overall dual meet depth, but we still have a few guys who could make some noise come tourney time.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
The team's about where I thought they'd be.
I think their strength as a dual team really took a hit when Pisani bailed. He was really coming on and would have been competitive at 41 in every match.
With the somewhat uninspired wrestling by Pataky, Vallimont, and Cyler, I wonder whether it’s not a strength issue. If three guys who have been in college for five years are struggling to get off the bottom, you have to question what’s going on in the weight room.
Frank and Cam don’t concern me as much because they have made strides over last year for sure. While we’d all love for Cam to show a little more offense, he’s in contention for AA at nationals regardless.
Dave Erwin seems to really be getting after it as much as anyone. He’s going the full seven and he’s really been close to beating some top guys.
Give them time
I, like all of you were hoping that the wrestling team would be at a better level now, but I am also looking at the bigger picture too.
Cael is dealing with division 2 wrestlers at best on the team that he inherited. Yes Frank, Cyler and Brad are doing well but once he gets the type of wrestlers he needs at then you will notice a HUGE difference in the final product.
I went Friday night to watch them wrestle Illinois and and the crowd was into it but they was a lot of quietness too during some of the matches!!! I was glad they won but left feeling that they didn’t leave the type of impression that a Iowa team would. Cael said afterwards he was not happy with the effort and I wouldn’t agree more.
At this point Cael is weeding out the no hackers who can’t not carry the gear to be on the team and that is needed because Troy didn’t do it when he was there.
Now Cael has 2 real nice recuriting classes coming in and I really hope that they help bring PSU wrestling back to the top!!!
So in other words...THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE?

Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
great commentary and analysis
this was a good read…too bad it was with such gloomy undertones
future lineups
I’d take my chances with these lineups at NCAAs:
2011: 125 Pataky, 133 Martellotti, 141 Stinson, 149 Molinaro, 157 Taylor, 165 Kemmerer, 174 Ruth, 184 Wright, 197 Crowell, 285 Wade.
2012: 125 Martellotti, 133 Stinson, 141 Sherlock, 149 Molinaro, 157 Alton (pick one), 165 Taylor, 174 Kemmerer, 184 Ruth, 197 Wright, 285 Wade.
2013: 125 Megaludis, 133 Stinson, 141 Sherlock, 149 Alton, 157 Alton, 165 Taylor, 174 Kemmerer, 184 Ruth, 197 Wright, 285 ??.
Note that all except Crowell were former HS state champs (Crowell was 2x finalist). Several were HS national champs.
You're getting very close here.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 27, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Looks good
It’s pretty impressive when there are quality kids like Cowburn who can’t find their way into the lineup.
Although I don’t think Ruth was ever technically a HS state champ was he? I remember he lost to Wright one year, but don’t remember what else he did. Of course he would have easily won his senior year when he went to Blair.
I really hope Megaludis doesn’t hit a growth spurt between now and college he would be a solid 125lber if he can stay at that weight.
Re: Ruth's HS career
All I found was that he was 5th & 4th place, I guess SO & JR years. But he won a ‘national championship’ his ‘senior year’ while at NJ’s Blair prep school.
I’ll be real surprised if there aren’t multiple national champs on that 2013 team. There’s a bunch of dudes with a great jump on it, and who sound like they really want it bad. I loved reading about how pissed Taylor was losing to Cyler in the intrasquad dual (11-4 loss) in Nov. He significantly narrowed the gap in their second meeting a month later (8-7 loss), and he only lost to AA Bubba Jenkins 4-3. None of which sat well. Sounds like dude is hungry.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
Good call on Ruth. My bad, but I won’t kick him off the team for “only” winning a national title. BTW, he lost to Wright in the championship bracket both years at PA states.
If only Taylor weren’t quite so hungry … wish we could fit him at 133 to make room for both Altons (in 2012) and Cowburn (in 2013).
285 might be an issue. Just checked Intermat, no top-20 underclassmen at 215 or Hwt east of the Mississippi. I think every ranked SR at both weights has committed elsewhere. Maybe JoePa will let Glenn Carson wrestle … (one can wish!) Seriously, anyone know of a good 285 prospect (underclass or uncommitted SR)?
Hey, ho! Forgot about Carson!
JoePa’s permitted it before. Mike Reid, Dave Joyner, Larry Suhey (Joe Suhey’s Uncle) all did both, albeit in the 60s & 70s. Not sure how tough it would be in this day and age of such long seasons. Plus, I think I remember reading that he was relieved to be done with wrestling after the back surgery, the flu a week before his senior year tourney, and finally getting the championship after SO & JR runner-up finishes. Wonder how rusty he would be by the time Wade graduates? Would be a crazy tree for Sanderson to bark up, but dude looks like a stud here:
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
Keep in mind
the more times you wrestle someone, the closer the scores become. You quickly learn to defend against their strengths,
That said, Taylor appears to be one seriously driven individual.
Me like.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 28, 2010 12:40 PM EST reply actions
Reply to JT FAIL.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 28, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Which should make the Vallimont / Morningstar match tomorrow night
Pretty interesting. They’re 2-2 career against each other at 165.
Vallimont dec. Morningstar, 6-2, at 2008 dual
Vallimont dec. Morningstar, 2-1, at 2008 Big Ten Champ’s
Morningstar dec. Vallimont, 5-4, at 2009 dual
Morningstar dec. Vallimont, 3-2, at 2009 Big Ten Champ’s
Iowa’s only weakness seems to be at 157, so Sanderson should be a sure thing W. And if Vallimont can squeeze this one out, and Wade can hold off Erekson, we MIGHT be able to win 3 of 10. Unless you hold your breath for Frankie to upset Metcalf. Which I’m not. Pataky over McDonough, maybe? I dunno, whole thing looks bleak.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

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