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We Believe In Nothing, Lebowski

The sad part is, Penn State looked rather competent and competitive for much of tonight's 77-67 loss against Illinois (box score), which brings the Nittany Lions to (0-8) in the conference.  Illinois couldn't miss to start the game.  All night long, they hit countless desperation shots as the shot clock expired.  PSU took two small, brief leads in the second half, but the same culprits inevitably appeared:  awful free throw shooting (12-22, 54.5%), a horrible scoring drought in the middle of the second half (two points in eight minutes as Illinois took control), and an inability to defend three point shots (9-18 for Illinois).

Penn State played hard, and yes, we're getting into the "trophies for simply participating" part of the recap. Chris Babb now realizes he can do more than just shoot threes.  Andrew Jones showed signs of life.  Talor Battle is still a gem and makes watching this awful program worthwhile. Ultimately, the overall talent's simply not there, and the coaching isn't good enough to overcome that deficit. 

Road games at Purdue and Ohio State are next.  0-10 seems to be a certainty.

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What would Tom Izzo or John Thompson or Naismith do for us at this point?

Going by last week’s game, Ed preached patience on offense, solid defense, etc, and they just wilted when Wiscy hit shots.

The only thing I think the coaches could improve is the free throw shooting. And I don’t know enough about basketball to know if that’s something that can be improved mid-season, but it can’t be that hard, right?

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2010 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

Indeed.

I say we just cancel the season and forget about this “basketball” thing.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Lady Lions son

Time to believe

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by Adam Bittner on Jan 27, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

non-entertaining sportist...

not saying that women’s b-ball couldn’t be entertaining, but it just usually isn’t.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 28, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

of course

Penn State men’s basketball can hardly be considered “entertaining” this year, unless of course one finds train wrecks and failbuses (we aren’t even up to the level of the strugglebus) to be entertaining.

And as for the “sexist” comment, ask Rambler which sport he enjoys more, mens volleyball or women’s volleyball ;-)

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 28, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I already believe in them

Game just has to be televised. Will wait for their tourney.

by Mr. Rosewater on Jan 27, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Sunday vs. Michigan will be televised.

And all the games are on btn.com

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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 27, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

do you have to pay

even if not…it’s still women’s basketball.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 28, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow Devon

Homophobic and sexist.

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by Adam Bittner on Jan 28, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

How is that sexist?

I love women, but I don’t find their sports entertaining. And the wrestling comment was tongue-in-cheek, even if that was homoerotic, doesn’t mean I’m anti-gay. I love gay people. Just not in that way.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 28, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

For someone who says their being tounge and cheek

You sure have trouble recognizing it.

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by Adam Bittner on Jan 28, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, sure

I can’t stand people who are hypersensitive, but don’t try calling me names or I’ll get mad. Though generalisations are typically okay. And there are plenty of things I’ll admit that women can do way better than men. Childbearing, for one.

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by PSUdevon on Jan 28, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I know there's no way to take positives from 0-8

But to me this doesn’t feel anything like some of those teams that were completely non-competitive from earlier last decade…even if we finish with a similar record. I wish we had last year’s team this year, because I’m sort of surprised at how the B10 has looked pretty mediocre this year. You can say it is balance, but after the top 3 teams, I don’t think there is really a solid team among the rest of the conference. I think we may be less talented than a majority of the teams in the league, but I don’t think there is a huge talent difference in a lot of the teams and where we are at.

by mundyscorner99 on Jan 27, 2010 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

Pretty Much

But we lost a lot while just about everyone else got everyone back. I think we have a similiar talent level, it just isn’t as tested as most of these teams. That’s why you see us come unglued at the end of games like we have, for example tonight

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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 27, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohio State is good.

Minnesota is good and talented, but very inconsistent.

Everyone else sucks (PSU, Iowa, Indiana) or is mediocre (UM, NW, Illinois).

by ReadingRambler on Jan 27, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think our first win will be against Minnesota at home

I think they are definitely an up and down team. Breaking out the throwback unis will put us over the top.

by mundyscorner99 on Jan 27, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

plus one for the big lewbowski reference.

ned to start building on something for next year

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton

by psu in the w-b on Jan 27, 2010 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

Lebowski

They showed Lebowski at the State Theatre a couple weeks back. They even served white russians. It was a good time.

by speedomike on Jan 28, 2010 6:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree with (link)

Lions1997 at pennstatecentral.com. DeChellis must go.

This team’s problem is mental and I attribute a lot of that to coaching. They play well, get a lead, then you can see it happen before your eyes. They all expect bad things to happen, and sit and watch it unfold. They are pre-disposed to losing late in games.

Crap free throw shooting doesn’t help.

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by PSUGlenn on Jan 27, 2010 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

I Tried PennStateCentral.com and it sucks
He is 6 ½ seasons into his tenure at Penn State, so these are his players and his system. Teams under his tenure are a combined 92-115 overall and 29-79 in the Big Ten (never finishing hirer than 6th in the Big Ten). Over those 6.5 years, Penn State has only won 5 Big Ten road wins and we still have not even sniffed an invitation to the Big Dance.

First off, PSU finished in a tie for 4th last season. Taking the glass half full approach on that one misrepresents last year’s team. Second of all, Andy Katz said Penn State was literally the first team out of the tournament last season. If some upsets don’t happen during championship week, Penn State makes the tournament, so the idea that we haven’t even sniffed the tournament is blatantly false.

There is no reason that Penn State Men’s Basketball cannot succeed, they have all the needed components to be successful: large alumni base with a willingness to pay top dollar for a tier 1 coach, geographically located in a state with a strong basketball tradition…

Yeah ok. If that were true, Ed wouldn’t have been hired in the first place. Exactly the opposite is true here, so I have a hard time taking this seriously. There are arguments to be made against Ed. This was a poor one.

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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 28, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Glass half empty*

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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 28, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

That second quoted portion annoys me.

Strong basketball tradition in central Pennsylvania? Yeah, uh huh. “Son, right out there in those cow pastures and forests, giants akin to Ewing and Drexler once strode the earth.”

Gimme a break. Penn State alums will never be willing to fund basketball unless we find an excellent coach who’s, like, bored and with nothing better to do.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 28, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm sure he's talking about the Philly teams and Pitt

But Pitt pays Dixon and the Philly teams own the city, so we might as well be Oregon St.

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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 28, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Sigh

I watched the game up until we were leading 53-51 and then I had to go. I was really hoping we’d pull this one out, but…sigh.

I know this is wishful thinking, but this feels somewhat like the 2004 football season. Very disappointing, though the young team shows flashes of talent, and the next year we bring in a huge recruit.

Of course we are usually good at football, so it wasn’t that surprising we got good again. I am still excited for next year’s b-ball team, though.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 27, 2010 11:52 PM EST reply actions  

I am frustrated!

I am amazed at how many bad breaks we are getting. Or perhaps better put, I am amazed that we can not create more breaks in our favor. Ed has taken our program in a positive direction. But I hang most of this loosing on him. That said, I think we need to be patient with him. We are loosing and I hate it. But I don’t think we should can him. He is really close. Not exactly the same thing but I remember when we were in the football dark years a couple of years ago. I was happy then and am still that we did not can Joe. Not that I am comparing Joe and Ed. Clearly there is not comparison in coaching talent but Ed does do something really well. We have some of the best talent we have ever had. We are in every game and it is not on guts and glory like it used to be. It is not like we are getting blown out. I think we are close to figuring this out and should stick by Ed at least to see what happens next year. I can think of a few items that we need to fix. There are clearly three items that need fixed and fixed quickly. Foul shooting needs fixed immediately if not sooner. We need to work the refs or we are going to continue getting the short end of the stick with calls. Maintaining Intensity for a whole game.

The foul shooting is such a huge issue. It should have been fixed last year. What ever they are doing they need to scrap it because it is crap. There is no way we can be this lousy at foul shooting if we are doing it right and practicing as much as others. If we just shot fouls better we would have won a bunch of these games this year and a bunch more last year. I don’t know what it takes but we need to do it.

Almost every successful basketball coach I have ever seen work the refs. They get on them for every single mistake they make that is not in their favor. What this does is gets the refs to a point where they do not want to miss something because they know they will hear from the coach. I would have have been screaming at them during the Indiana game for all the moving screens that were not called on #25 and the plastering Jackson got under the basket when #25 stuck his shoulder into him when he was running though the paint to cover his player. He almost got knocked into the ref. We got no call. Indiana then hit the open man for the 3 and that was the start of our Indiana loss. I see not focus at all on working the refs by us. And, no surprise, we get no calls. I have seen on many occasions this year where we do not get a call we should have and our opponent scores. I can just see the guys get that here we go again look. It happened last night at around 7 minutes. We were fouled on a 7 footer. No call. ILL went down and sunk a 3 pointer. To me, this was the turning point of the game.

Finally, we need an emotional leader. Battle is awesome but he is not motivating the other players to raise their game during critical ventures of the game the way Cornley did last year. He raises his game but one player does not get it done. So where else is it going to come from? If Ed does not recruit a leader then it needs to come from the coaches. He or someone on his staff need to provide it. Right now no one is and we are getting stung by it.

Peter

by psuboy on Jan 28, 2010 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

Battle.

Did you watch the last Indiana game? They showed Battle during a timeout. He was pissed off, he was yelling at his teammates to show some intensity. Sometimes “leadership” or other characteristics fans demand aren’t good enough.

by ReadingRambler on Jan 28, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I strangely enough made the same

comment to you at a previous game. I also saw when Battle got on his team mates. So me questioning his leadership was wrong. Or maybe he only recently started. Either way, that is no longer a problem.

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by OMEGAMAN on Jan 28, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm somewhat in agreement here

it just seems like we’re so close to winning most of these games.

The foul shooting is atrocious. I honestly don’t believe they can be as bad as they are. Also, why do we just give up at the end? Do we expect to lose, so just give in to the inevitability? This is part due to foul shooting, but also due to the lack of intensity, or “leadership” as you put it.

I really hope next year we see some major improvements. If I’m not mistaken, we don’t lose a single player to graduation this year, plus the recruits we’ll be bringing in. If nothing else, it is at least just more time for them to work on their foul shooting.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 28, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Illinois was in the same spot two years ago

Well, maybe not quite this bad. But they were astoundingly awful in close games – dead last in “luck”, with the efficiency numbers of a team that should have gone about 10-8 in the Big Ten instead of 5-13.

by SpartanDan on Jan 28, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

do you know where to find these "luck" numbers

I recall seeing them last year, because PSU was so far ahead in the “luck” category. I’d like to see where we are this year.

by The JuggerNitt on Jan 28, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

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