The Ocho
46.7
That's what the clock read when most of the fans in the Bryce Jordan Center started grabbing their coats and hitting the exits during Penn State's latest conference loss, the eighth in a row for the Nittany Lions.
Penn State had been losing by between 6-10 points for the last 20 minutes of real time, and maybe the last 3:30 of game time, and yet people hung around, and hung around until a miracle was completely out of range.
These are the same fans I've seen walk out on the football team at halftime if PSU is losing. These are the same fans who, until last year, didn't even bother with the basketball team, and yet there they were, showing loyalty that any fan base should envy.
The prevailing wisdom at the moment seems to say that last season's NIT Championship has proven to be meaningless and a mirage. It says that nothing has changed in Happy Valley. It says that none of the problems the program has traditionally suffered from were cured.
I disagree
Last season transformed this fan base and made it something special. When nothing else seems to be going right, the folks that continue to show up and support this team remind all of us that every loss this season is a lesson learned for the next and that there's still hope, even if it only exists in our memories.
If nothing else, We (still) Are Penn State, and that, I'm proud of.
Penn State came out hot, but Illinois was hotter and after a few exchanges of buckets, led comfortably for the rest of the first half.
The Lions erased a seven point halftime deficit, however, to take a 46-42 lead with about 15 minutes to play. The game stayed close until about the last five minutes when:
And that was pretty much your ballgame folks.
The Good
Offensively, everyone played pretty well for the minutes they played. Talor Battle, Chris Babb, and David Jackson led the scoring, but Andrew Jones (sort of) came alive with seven points and five rebounds in only 16 minutes. Starters Bill Edwards and Andrew Ott were quiet, but played within themselves and didn't take away from the effort on offense. Edwards, who has looked like a freshman lately, dished out three assists and committed no turnovers.
As mentioned above, the crowd. The fact that fans continue to hang in with this team and believe bodes well heading into 2011. 0-8 should break a fan base, but clearly it hasn't (yet) and that's more than you could have said this time a year ago.
The Nittany Lions held Demetri McCamey and Mike Tisdale to a combined 16 points after allowing the pair to tear them apart in Champaign but...
The Bad
...they allowed four other Illini hit double figures, including Brandon Paul and Mike Davis off the bench.
It doesn't seem like anyone can fight through a pick on defense, nor does it seem like anyone knows how to rotate, which is a deadly combination. The product is open jumpers for the opposition which Illinois took advantage of, especially in the opening barrage.
The stats don't look all that bad offensively, but that doesn't tell the story. It seems like every time Penn State has a chance to really seize the momentum, they turn the ball over or take a bad shot that keeps them from landing the hay maker. It's kind of like getting your gambreaker stuffed on "NBA Street" every time.
The Ugly
Here's one of the plays Ed drew up in the first half tonight.

I defend the coaches for a lot of things, but they need to go to a clinic for set plays out of timeouts. Even (other) bad teams use those possessions to put some easy points in the bank, but all to often, Penn State almost looks worse in these sets than most of the others.
The free throw shooting continues to get overlooked because of other flaws, but it's getting worse and worse. Battle was 3-6 and Babb 2-4. It's bearable to watch Jones miss two in a row, but when Battle does it, it's incredibly frustrating. He's a guard and the best player on the team. He needs to be able to hit unguarded shots 15 feet away period.
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+1 For an NBA Street reference
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How many fans were there tonight?
On tv at least, I can’t tell if the fanbase is more loyal. Worse yet, I’m just convinced the BJC will never be full unless we’re really good and even then the atmosphere will be – for lack of better phrasing – unimpressive.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 28, 2010 12:19 AM EST reply actions
Dead.
Half the students there were there for THON, and the entire upper deck was empty.
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The upper deck will never be full.
I’ll believe when I see it with my own eyes in person.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 28, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
not full
but at least partly, especially at halfcourt, and sometimes wrapping most of the way around, in the front few rows, and we’ve had that for a bunch of games.
The paid attendance was a tick over 8000. That’s less than the Indiana game, and not remotely close to the 11300+ at VT.
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Yeah I remember the VaTech game(a couple years ago) having a pretty great crowd
I dunno if that is the one you are referencing.
I disagree that the BJC can NEVER be a good atmosphere. I have seen it close to its potential a few times. It just takes a good team/game to do so. If we ever start putting a good product on the floor it will happen.
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"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Yeah 3rd biggest
That was my guess
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by Adam Bittner on Jan 28, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
8,000 people
FWIW, that’s people hanging from the rafters at Rec Hall. Which is how every Big Ten game was when we played there. The point being, it’s not that interest is up, or that intrest is down. It’s pretty much the same as it’s always been, just the atmosphere has changed. From exciting to dull unfortunately.
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I'd say it was the third biggest crowd of the year
The sidelines filled, and there were people in the endzones, but less than against IU and VT.
The atmosphere was kind of comatose, but you can’t have it all ya know.
Still, this crowd was bigger than some of the early big ten games last year in my estimation, so that’s progress if you ask me. And those that showed didn’t leave, and that’s probably the most imprtant part. It tells me people believe.
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by For The Glory 1855 on Jan 28, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
You're not allowed to comment.
Only that other guy.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 28, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, what?
The VT game was packed. Probably the best attendance since Wisconsin, last year. This game was artificially propped up by all the THON people.
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Eh
Seemed like the normal amount of old people, and still, the main point is that no one left.
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by Adam Bittner on Jan 28, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Why would they leave
Penn State was always within striking distance. 6 point lead with a minute to go is still within reach.
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Not when you're down 8 looking to be down 6
Penn State didn’t have the ball within two posessions, they got themselves to within 2 before fouling, when Illinois would shoot, then put it back on 3.
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by Adam Bittner on Jan 28, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
fair enough
I don’t remember the whole sequence of possessions. But I couldn’t understand how someone could stay for two hours, then leave with 2 minutes to play. There’s no point in missing out on potentially something great.
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O sure, you and I feel that way
But from my experience, most don’t feel that way.
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by Adam Bittner on Jan 28, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
Which is why I was surprised when no one left
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by Adam Bittner on Jan 28, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
I’ve never experienced the mass exodus you’re talking about, though I’ll bite and say, sure, maybe we expect this team to pull it out in the end. Which makes it even more painful that we can’t win these games—THESE USED TO BE ED’S SPECIALITY!
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Maybe they still are?
We’re just not getting the bounces this year…
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by Adam Bittner on Jan 28, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
cue article showing how PSU was "lucky" last year
based on average point differential, we supposedly won more games than we should have last year.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 28, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
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by Adam Bittner on Jan 28, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Penn State Basketball:
“We’re not a player, we just suck a lot”
by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 28, 2010 8:15 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
AND
from the depths of depression, you guys can still count on me….a variety of anti-depressant meds are still available with free delivery, 10AM to 10pm daily, except Sundays, when I hit the beach at 3-Mile Island and look for Jimmy Carter. But actually, PSU BB SUX ! I don’t know whether to feel sympathy or Rage, but at least I have the drugs to deal with it.
by DerryPharmer on Jan 28, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
I mean, that's only one of my three or four favorite hip-hop songs.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Sooooo
Maybe Beastie Boyz or Shabadoo would help ?? What a unique philosophy—-Just say NO to drugs !!
by DerryPharmer on Jan 28, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Clearly, the Jetsons play would get us a technical foul
Unless Rosie is supposed to be Ed Hightower. Then I approve.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 9:04 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I am currently sitting next to Jack Crawford
Completely unrelated to the post, but I thought that was newsworthy. He’s an Arsenal fan.
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do you have a picture of you and him
with him smiling (and popping veins out of his neck and head)
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 28, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
6 and half years is the wrong metric for this team.
I sat under the hoop with a towel and wiped up the sweat when a player hit the ground at Rec Hall while watching Penn State get beat by teams like St. Bonaventure. It was 1984, I was eight. Bruce Parkhill was the coach, his assistant coaches were Jerry Dunn and Ed DeChellis.
It is 26 years later. Can you argue that there has been no progress? No. But come on, it’s been 26 years of basicly the same basketball coach. Some years were decent, but most years we suck. Did the NIT buy Ed enough goodwill to go 0 and Big Ten? How is that possible?
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The almighty spreadsheet makes it possible.
We’re going to find out whether the athletic department believes that winning is a necessary component of a successful basketball program, or if turning a profit in the dark, dull BJC is good enough.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Do you really think that we don't already know the answer to that question?
What’s odd is that there is actually evidence that if the right people get involved, and they get pissed enough, things happen. The wrestling boosters got rid of their coach, and put up a chunk of the money to get the guy they wanted, and bang, new wrestling program. If Ed DeChellis sticks around another year (or five) my guess will be that it is because nobody is willing to put their money where their mouth is.
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Well, *we* know the answer to the question.
But there are a lot of people who said, “oh, look, basketball!” last year for the first time that suddenly think they have the right to demand a new head coach* just because coaches are actually held accountable at real programs. Not going to happen. Financially, it’s a bad decision. From a PR standpoint, it’s a disaster because they just re-upped him last year. And does hiring another coach on the cheap advance the program at all? Because that’s exactly that PSU will do, especially if they’re still paying Ed’s contract.
Basically, we’re the Pittsburgh Pirates of college basketball.
- - These are the fools who shout “big name coach!” incessantly without any perspective as to how Penn State has treated its basketball program for the last few forevers.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
ooh, format fail!
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Funny, I thought that exact same thing this morning.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Also, do you have any idea how many people would be thrilled with that?
Parkhill is regarded as freaking John Wooden to some PSU fans, and he was 181-169 as our head coach.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
In a crappy A-10 conference, not the Big Ten.
It’s like saying Al Golden is a genius when all you look at is Temple’s current record compared to when they were playing Miami, VT, and other big schools on a weekly basis.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
The year, 1993.
Collegian Mag: Can you set a timetable as to when Penn State will truly be competitive in the Big Ten?
Bruce Parkihll: Not really. That all depends on staying healthy and player development and recruiting. We’re really just taking it one year at a time right now.
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1993/11/11-06-93cm/11-06-93cm-2.asp
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
That's not exactly fair.
When Bruce took over we we’re a bottom tier A-10 team that literally used to lose to Duquesne. When we joined the Big Ten we’re getting very close to being a pereninal A-10 title contender. Given two more years or so, we’d have gotten there. It was also a different, and in many respects better A-10. Calapari was in his heyday at UMass, Mike Jarvis was at GW, Cheney was in his prime at Temple, URI was fielding competitive teams, plus WVU and Rutgers. It was totally ghetto, but it was a tough, fun, competitive basketball league. Lots, and I mean lots, of great memories.
Who is to say Bruce didn’t have us turning the corner in the Big Ten when he left, and that Jerry Dunn didn’t simply kill all the momentum? We were an exceptionally difficult team to beat at Rec Hall the last year we used it.
To me, the most frustrating thing about Penn State basketball isn’t that they suck. It’s that it used to be totally awesome, and we were so close to being good. Hubris and stupidity killed this program, not lack of fan support. The fans that left we’re justified in dong so.
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Yeah, it was kind of what the MVC is now, maybe a step above.
Some fringe top 20/25 teams, lots of good coaches. Those were fun days.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Temple, WVU, URI and UMass
All had stints in the top ten while in the Atlantic Ten. Temple was #1 for long streaches when they had Mark Macon. URI (Harriack and Odem) and UMass (Calapari and Camby) both went to Final Fours, of course both were cheating.
Also, if my memory serves, we were awful in 1993, but getting very competitve in 1994 and 1995.
Funny aside, in 1994 Iowa’s coach (Tom Penders?) brought black and gold 1994 National Champions t-shirts and gave them out to the enitre student section at Rec Hall to try and make them less nasty. I
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Man, I forgot all about Jim Harrick
A-10: Cradle Of Cheaters
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Tom Davis was Iowa's coach.
Classy guy, good coach, recruiting was good enough, got kicked out when Iowa boosters demanded the “next level”.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 28, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Then they brought in Steve Alford.
Who was like the Tim Brewster of Big Ten basketball, but with less Twitter feeds and more rapey players.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 28, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
They were
They promptly laid an egg against the #12 seed Arkansas.
The 96 team was legit – Sekunda, Earl, Gaudio, Lisicky… we could play.
by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 29, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Gaudio was in what, his seventh year of eligibility by then?
Did they have James Barnes too? In their defense, Arkansas was the defending champ that year, that was a shitty draw.
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I think that what makes me angry is...
…that the program was completely abandoned by the administration. They spent millions on that financial sinkhole of a program run by Rene Portland, but the men’s team — something that could conceivably make money and put asses in seats! — was left to rust.
To tie this into the Springsteen story, the athletic department doesn’t understand its fans, or any fans. Rec Hall was a nightmare for opposing teams — anyone under 30-33 years old can’t comprehend this. Players trying to inbound the ball had PSU students screaming in their ears, no less than 18 inches away. It was loud, fun, everything that college basketball should be. Once the first-year novelty of the BJC wore out and the wins quickly dried up, the program was toast and practically nothing was done to save it from the abyss.
And that’s why I’ll never be happy if ED gets fired, even if he probably should. Dude’s been trying to build a house out of toothpicks for years. But he won’t be fired, anyway. Changing things — the coach, the venue, the financial support, the marketing support, anything — is an admission of failure for Penn State.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
It took three cops for the visiting team to inbound the ball at Rec Hall
It was insane, there just was anyplace for a millionaire to sit and not have to deal with people.
It was students, and it was locals. And I got news for everybody, that’s all it is now. Like I said at the outset, 8,000 people was about where they maxed out Rec Hall. Most likely they’d have won last night if the game was there.
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Here's what sucks:
There are no videos of Rec Hall as you describe it. No images. No nothing. I was never there, so all we have left is sitting and watching a game played in an empty airship hangar while the old-timers talk like Korean War veterans.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 28, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I found this.
It’s a guy that professes to have a couple of games on DVD for same. The Penn State/Pitt Nit game is best, but they lost. The George Washington games is the one where they won the Atlantic 10 title.
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I can't believe he doesn't have The Indiana Game.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 28, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
It might not have been on TV.
A game being on TV at Rec Hall was a big deal. It’s not like today. Maybe one game a year got shown on TV, sometimes not even that many.
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It was on TV.
Jones had an article about that game a while ago. Said Raftery did color.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 29, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
If I ever see a replay
I’m likely to burn my house down.
by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 29, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
If I were a conspiracy theorist
I would think that they have gone out of their way to get every image of Penn State playing basketball in that arena removed from the internet. I could not find one picture of that place with a basketball court in the middle of it.
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They let Rene Portland run the women's program into the ground.
I won’t get into Rene’s politics, but she was a pariah by the end of her career.
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I'm not positive about this...
….but I believe the BJC was part of the deal to join the big ten. to gain membership in the conference you had to meet certain criteria (like airplane accomodations for instance, the state college airport runway was extended as a requirement of teh big ten)
I think having a larger arena was part of the deal
That's true.
Bobby Knight was larger than life, except when he was 25 feet from me getting screamed at by 6,000 people. Then he was just a crazy, frustrated, pissed off wild man. That place got in the head of some really good coaches.
I swear to god, John Calapari tried to attack a referee after a game ended. The student section emptied on to the floor (it was the only way out of the building) and one of his players actually picked him up, threw him over his shoulder and carried him out of the gym. Another coach, whose name escapes me, wasted an entire time-out trying to fight a fan. That thing where the team pulls all it’s chairs into the floor during time-outs, was invented at Rec Hall.
Point being larger wasn’t really the point, much less aggressive was. Oh, that and it was like a five minute walk from the main gym to the visiting team locker room, and there was no way they could secure the walk, or even the locker room. On more than one occasion I got into the visiting team locker room during a game.
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Haha RUTS
You sound like me.
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by Adam Bittner on Jan 28, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think wrestling and basketball are slightly different beasts, though
I don’t really follow wrestling all that much, so I could be wrong, but I’d imagine that there are plenty of top recruits want to play for a certain coach rather than a certain program, while in basketball that is true to some extent, there are also a lot of recruits that want to play for the big name program. Can Penn State get there? Sure, but it is hard to just make that leap (though much easier in basketball if you can get 2 solid recruits and decent enough role players to surround them).
But what would the payoff really be? It will be near impossible to break into the elite, even just in the Big 10. We’d basically be competing for third place in the Big 10 (and the rare run for Big 10 champ), and just an invitation to the dance with the inevitable1st or 2nd round loss (and the rare visit to the Sweet 16). Is that worth all the extra millions we’d have to spend to get there?
I would like our team to at least be competitive like last year’s team the majority of the time, though, and this year is definitely not like that, at least not according to the final 10 minutes of all our games.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 28, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Different,sure. The point is the same though.
Assume for a second that we dump a few million bucks into John Calapari. He’d get his players, we’d get our wins, and eventually, we’d give them all back in aftermath of an embarassing NCAA investigation. So the answer is yes, you can spend a ton of money on a coach and win basketball games, even at Penn State.
How is that different than hiring a wrestling coach (albeit one who appears to have quite a bit more integrity) and doing the same thing? If anything, it’s easier with basketball, right now we’re three players away from making a run to the final four. They’d have to be the three best players in our history, and by a lot, but it’s still only three guys.
The point is that the wrestling boosters made demands, put up some money, and got what they wanted. Where are the basketball boosters? Shit, who are the basketball boosters? I’d propose there aren’t many, and there certainly aren’t enough.
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I'd propose there aren't *any*.
When has PSU basketball ever been good enough to obtain boosters?
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
BSD basketball collection?
We saw what we could do with SOA and Zug. Some pretty powerful stuff.
by PSUisMyHeart on Jan 28, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Last year was an aberration.
An aberration of almost unprecedented success, and it was the freaking NIT.
It’s easier for PSU to not try. That’s the issue here. It’s bigger than just “is ED the right guy?”
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
oh, I agree that last year was an aberration
I just wish it was more the norm. Heck, we don’t have to be quite as good as last year on a regular basis. That could be our good run every 3-4 years, with the other years being slightly worse. Just wish the norm wasn’t 2-3 big ten wins a year.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 28, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, RUTS.
You should find new adjectives to describe BJC. When is that place not dark and dull (that’s racist.gif)? During a Springsteen concert?
by ReadingRambler on Jan 28, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I saw Springsteen there
He went over time, and the turned the lights on during Born to Run. Let me repeat that, those bastards turned the f@#king lights on, during F@#king Born to F@#king Run. It was awful.
Having been to Springsteen concerts in other, not totally awful venues, let me tell you that sucking the energy out of a Springsteen concert is amazing. If the military could synthesize that power, we could take out China.
My seats were in the tenth row. Tenth. People around me were crying with joy before the show started and leaving in disgust during the encore.
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Saw Springsteen at Giants stadium
two summers ago. Literally, the best concert experience of my life, and I’m not even a Springsteen fan.
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I saw him Pittsburgh too
I couldn’t talk for three days afterwords. 18,000 people went, and 18,000 people knew the words to every single song. Just crazy.
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That is unbelievable, for the first five seconds.
Then you remember who/what we’re talking about — a place that only understands emotions in the context of making hype videos for football season.
I mean, wow.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
It's not like they missed the point.
It’s more like they were totally unaware there was a point.
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A game, since we have very little else to laugh about...
If Penn State Basketball was a movie character, it would be…

+1 to each of those who understand why I chose him.
I tried Penn State Basketball
For 30 years
and it sucked.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
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I defend the coaches for a lot of things, but they need to go to a clinic for set plays out of timeouts. Even (other) bad teams use those possessions to put some easy points in the bank, but all to often, Penn State almost looks worse in these sets than most of the others.
Isn’t this one of THE ways in which coaching makes a difference? Good coaching on set plays on time outs is worth at least 4 points in a game. This is arguably the most damning evidence that the PSU staff isn’t effective.
KenPom watch
We’re up to a 13% chance of a winless Big Ten season. Yay!
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions
Rec Hall
Can anyone let me know if it’s at all…even slightly possible for PSU to play even 2 games a year in REC HALL..the attention and the atmosphere it would create would do wonders for this team. Is this just a pipe dream?
Total Pipe Dream
Unfortunately.
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by Adam Bittner on Jan 28, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
I know the Nittany Nation people
have been pushing for a game there for years.
NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.
Never
It’s a truly terrible basketball court. There are dead spots, it’s slick, it’s outdated, it hasn’t been well maintained. And what about the concession deals? It’s never going to happen.
Yep. All true.
We closed that building on like a 15 game home winning streak though. The women were unbeatable there too FWIW.
Concession stands? There were some vending machines in the basement, they had nachos too. On the other hand, you could lift weights, or work on your golf game under the bleachers during games. You could also play hide and seek with 10 friends for about a week.
Basicly, it’s not a Division One basketball venue. But imagine a women’s volleyball game, with 40% more people and Bobby Knight as the bad guy. And they’ve renovated since they last played basketball there. It’s much nicer now if you can believe that. I was once warned by a referee to keep my feet off the court (actually inbounds) during the game.
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All true there too
At least we can agree that place had an energy that is severly lacking at the soul-less chamber that is the BJC.
So when we build the new hockey arena to move to division 1
can we modify it so we can play basketball on it as well, and just forget about the BJC?
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 29, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to think so.
7,500 seats, right on top of the court/ice. But I doubt it.
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