COME TO PENN STAAAAATE #20: Brad Bars
by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 8:39 PM EST
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Gimme a...wait, who the hell?
Truly, no Penn State recruiting class is complete without at least one way below the radar recruit, and he has finally arrived. Meet Brad Bars. He's a 6'4", 225 pound OLB/DE prospect from Nashville, Tennessee, and kind of has an evil Billy Zabka look about him:
Or maybe I just want a Penn State player who looks like Billy Zabka. Whatever. As for his other offers, well...
But whatever, suck it, Georgia Southern!
As for actual, non-potshot information, it's scarce with the exception of long-time recruiting guru Max Emfinger:
Now the amazing part of this story is that Bars (6-4, 225, 4.5) is a super, athletic player who can run a legit 4.5; do a 36 inch vertical jump; and a 4.3 in the pro-agility shuttle; but not one single team that he went to their camp offered him a scholarship. Now, I'm going to give you my opinion why!
First of all, in recruiting, college coaches work almost entirely off of a recruiting board that me or may not be completely accurate. No college coach will ever have a completely accurate recruiting board to work from, but it is the only board that they have and they have to deal with that board and Bars was never on that board.
Secondly, since Bars was not on that recruiting board, coaches are not even evaluating players that come to their camp if they are not on their recruiting board. This sounds pretty amazing to the parent or the player that makes a spectacular catch or makes a spectacular move to get past a blocker and make a tackle. These plays are non measured plays that do not have a time or distance credited to it.
In each camp that Bars went to, he was outstanding and in fact at a couple of them, he just bearly missed getting an MVP Award. No team offered, but the reason was not that he did not deserve an offer, but no school wanted to be the first BCS school to extend an offer.
Bars will play in our Sixth Annual 2010 All-American Bowl Game Classic on January 9, 2010 and I believe that on Tuesday January 5, during College Coaches Day, he will receive numerous offers. I am not sure on which side of the football that he will play in the game, but I believe that he will be outstanding in that game.
His dad, Joe Bars, played for Notre Dame and his uncle also played for The Irish. His grandfather player for Michigan State.
So he's got the bloodlines and isn't short on athleticism. We'll file this name away for a few years and see where he's at in 2012. Congratulations and welcome, Brad.
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Wow.
And I thought I followed recruiting pretty closely. I’ve never even heard of this kid.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
Nobody has.
FOS boards are currently being torched. RIvals/BWI has film on him, I’d like to hear from anyone who has seen it.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Well, yes, but he's far from the only one.
But Larry Johnson Sr.’s opinion carries a bit more weight with me than any opinion on the FOS boards. I enjoy that site, but any approach to recruiting other than a robotic checklist of Scout/Rivals rankings seems to infuriate the masses.
Outside of a handful of players, you don’t know what you’re getting until two or three years down the line. So why get bent out of shape now?
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"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Jan 28, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Because it's the offseason
and everybody is bored.
Plus, any chance to steal a recruit out from Harvard’s nose is big news!
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 28, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I was joking. I think that stern guy and posters like him are jackasses. LJ flew to Nashville to offer this kid. Works forme.
by speedomike on Jan 28, 2010 9:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, I know.
What I can’t understand, I suppose, is what kind of sad person spends all their free time going to recruiting combines, looking at video highlight clips of recruits, and issuing decrees about which players are worth scholarships and which aren’t? What kind of sad life is that?
That said, I think people are fully justified in thinking, “What the hell? Where did this kid come from?” because the focus has been on Lattimore and Thornton — guys who everybody knows about at this stage of the process. I would think the Brad Bars offer is an indication that (1) Thornton ain’t coming here, and (2) some other guys along the defensive line might not be coming back, either. Bars is one of those high GPA, hard working types. This offer could have the added intention of telling the kids in the program, “Look, this is the kind of guy we value at Penn State, not overweight lumps who don’t go to class.”
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"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Jan 29, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
There's a guy who would've been run out of the PSU program three years ago.
But he’s a fit at Alabama. Good for him and them.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 29, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
why would he be run out?
Does he have behavior, or character issues? Or is it because he is a fat load?
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Fat load.
Joe never would’ve let him near the field.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 29, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Okay,
I was wondering because I am hoping the steelers pick him up as a casey hampton sub/replacement in the 2nd round.
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BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I mean, look at B. Ware
Can’t shed weight, which leads to a stress fracture. Add the fact that he’s apparently not going to class, and you’ll probably see him gone by next season.
Different point, but I’ll put it here. People are worried about # of scholarships, but the coaches aren’t stupid. They know how many they’ll have. Maybe Ware and James Terry are gone. Maybe Lynn and Yancich are really transferring. We’re not just printing scholarships out of nowhere.
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"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Jan 29, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Scholarships
Yes the coaches know more than us, but we also had a class a couple years back that was like 14 players. Seems like it makes more sense to try to spread them out. But, I also have no idea what I’m talking about.
Next years class will be around that size
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 29, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Listen
There is a lot of turnover in college football, if you have a scholarship hand it out and see if the kid works out. Chances are someone (maybe an ESPN 150 kid) will not workout and then you will be short somewhere. The other alternative is to give the extra scholarship to a walk-on on the current roster. I like what I have read about this kid, the service academy offers bode really well for his character, and academics, and he has some decent size and quickness. Seems like a no brainer to me!
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Umm no
As a Steelers fan no way do I want any part of Cody. Dude weighs in at 370 pounds at age 23, in two years he’ll have eaten himself out of the league.
by catesinator on Jan 29, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
thats cool, and in two years when he is replacing hampton I will be thrilled.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
a no name at WR, OL, DB and I may question . . .
but when Linebacker U invites a linebacker to be a part of Linebacker U . . . I trust the coaches.
by NittanySeaLion on Jan 28, 2010 8:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
^This ^This and
This > thank you for your service, sir!
/salutes
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Jan 28, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
This was my first thought.
While it’s basically a definite admission that we’re not getting Thornton (IMO), I have to assume this kid passes muster.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Okay, I'll bite
who the heck is Max Emfinger?
NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.
Recruiting guru.
Not sure exactly, but I’ve heard of him.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Well this CERTAINLY closes the door on the 2010 recruiting season.
20 recruits when 17 probably would have been ideal. This kid is probably a grayshirt candidate as well.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
Can we get a Cobra Kai logo on our jerseys?
by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 28, 2010 8:54 PM EST reply actions
Why limit yourself to the patch
When you can have the full on uniform?
http://www.80stees.com/products/Authentic-Cobra-Kai-Gi.asp?referer=froogle_KKID034
by psuiowa on Jan 28, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sidebar:
Nashville is a great, fun town, in case anyone has never visited. Good times abound.
Unless your mistress shoots you, but beyond that – awesome town.
by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 28, 2010 8:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You know what else it is? SEC-ville.
WHO’S LAUGHING NOW!?! Speed comes…north?
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 28, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Dawson, I've said it before, I'll say it again:
“SEC speed” is a way of saying “SEC schools are faster because they have more black guys”.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 28, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
funny how it wasn't that long ago that quite the opposite was true
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 28, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Been saying that for years.
It’s always been code for that exact thing among the media.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 29, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Three Ivy League schools, two acadamies, Notre Dame, etc. are among the interested, yet PSU isn't listed.
I’m baffled. Truly baffled.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
I'll take
I will take any kid with offers to two service academies. Awesome
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Jan 28, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
They might get good kids, but anybody who’s willing to sacrifice years of his life just for the opportunity to play football in college—with no shot at the next level—is clearly someone who’s got different priorities than Penn State needs. Sure, we want smart kids who are committed to getting good grades and prospering in the community, but I want players who are just as committed to playing football as they are being good kids off the field.
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 29, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
that is absolutely
one of the dumbest, most inane things i have ever read on the interwebz. you sir, are an a**hat
by Governator on Jan 29, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What?
The kids at Army and Navy are seriously good kids, and I commend them on their decision. However, they’re not serious football players, for the most part. Navy gets good kids, USC gets good football players. We can get both.
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 29, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Not serious about football?
They put the same time and hard work as any other D1 football team. That’s on top of their hefty stack of obligations as military students. If they weren’t serious about football, they wouldn’t play; getting through military university is demanding enough as it is. You better be pretty damn serious about a sport to have the commitment to play it at the Division 1 level in general. You better be extra damn serious to play it at the division 1 level on top of military obligations.
Not to mention Navy happens to be pretty decent at football.
He's a kid.
He doesn’t even know what he doesn’t know yet.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 29, 2010 7:12 AM EST up reply actions
Look,
I posted my whole rebuttal down below, but the kids who attend Navy, every single one of them, knows they have no shot at the next level, no matter how good they are, like Caleb Campbell. Penn State needs to recruit a higher level of football player in order to stay competitive at our level, though, of course, you can’t recruit a much higher quality of kid.
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 29, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Devon...
…you are such a goddamn jackass. I mostly chuckle at your posts because they illicit some good banter, but this pisses me off.
I would venture to guess that you have never gone through the recruiting process. I would also venture to guess you have no clue about this kid’s background.
I have gone through the process, I do know what this is all about. I was an all Big Ten player at PSU and played two years professionally. Do you know what my top 4 schools were? Navy, Vanderbilt, Cornell, and PSU.
The fact that this kid had offers from Army and Navy made me smile from ear to ear before I started reading these comments, because I know that the coaching staff “found another one”.
Brad, welcome on board. Best of luck, make us proud.
by hbeach08 on Jan 29, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And how many stars did the recruiting services give you?
I would like to know, because the current system of ratings is such a smoky back room dealing situation. Maybe I could ask you about some of your dealings with it for my article.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
in my day (mid 90's)
I don’t think they had a star system. I went to a small high school, with NO football tradition. PSU had me in camp 3 years in a row and offered me early.
when i say “had me in camp”…I mean, me and some high school teammates went to their camp to learn skills and get better….there was no soliciation by PSU to enroll in summer camp.
shoot me an email at carolinaeasy@live.com
I will check it this evening and shoot you an email back with my work email.
That is my safe guard email so any troll with balls cannot send me all sorts of crap in a good email addy.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
ha!!!
that’s hilarious. it really has nothing to do with “I’m a big star” because I’m not…like, at all.
i’d rather just not happen to have someone call me out on something stupid I did back in the day.
“I’m not here to talk about the past.” :)
I know who he is
But unfortunately, due to the SBNation Privacy Policy, I can’t give out his name. ;)
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
thats me!
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
He's gotta be Shorty Miller.
Please God let him be Shorty Miller.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 29, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
that is mean!
not the policy, but rubbing it in.
Divas want to know
although I understand why he would want to maintain his privacy :(
"Football"
Goldie Hawn, Wildcats
While I agree with your general premise in making fun of Devon's asshaterey
I agree with RR is that we need to know who you are. And then suck up to you.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 29, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I respect that
I wouldn’t want to have my name out either. Now we know we have a poster here who knows the inside of the program. Your insight will be invaluable.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I know a couple of guys who just finished up who check stuff out here all the time
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
so keep in mind negativity gets back to these guys
so lets keep as positive as we can.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I can also tell you
That there are ex-athletes of all different sports (I know some basketball and lacrosse) who use this site.
I'm sure.
It’s a great site, with great content.
In regards, to “negativity gets back to these guys…” This is the current state of college football unfortunately. I mean, I thought we were under a microscope. Nowadays, My God.
Current guys would be best served by taking some JoePa advice. “I don’t read you!!!”
Fair enough.
But in my mind, you’re Curtis Enis. So, there’s that.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 29, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I hope he is because Enis was the reason I pursued football and fell in love with it.
I loved him and Ki-Jana. I will never forget watching them running the ball.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have a big Enis then a small Pepe
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Enis is one of the top reasons I went to Penn State
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 29, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Beach, you played volleyball, right?
Because we all know PSU is a volleyball school LOL PWNED ON IOWA.
Also, congrats to Devon for making the dumbest statement in the history of the internet. That’s one impressive pile of failure right there.
Before you respond, let me remind you: Brian Cook called me smug, which makes me the Obama of smugness. I'm basically Smugbama.
by Patrick Vint on Jan 29, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Just give it time. He'll top it eventually.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 29, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Was Ed DeChellis in the military?
I really hope so.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 29, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
A gay Ed DeChellis in the military and recruited by the service acadamies.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 29, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
That cares for and respects women.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 29, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
lol
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
DUN DUN DUN DUNNN DUNN....DUNN DUNN
DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN….
DUNN DUNN DUNN DUNN
DUNN DUNN DUNN DUNN!
DUN DUN DUN DUNNNNN!
by ReadingRambler on Jan 29, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
That's the Iowa fight song, but I don't know how to post those little music symbol things.
So you’ll just have to take my word for it.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 29, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Here's what most PSU fans know of our fight song:
Fight on State! Dunn dunn dunn! Fight on state! Something something something! Victory something for thee! Fight on on State!
by ReadingRambler on Jan 29, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
please come back
got any eligibility left? we need to beat them somehow
by PSUisMyHeart on Jan 29, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
The Governator nailed this response. Just because a kid isn’t putting the NFL as priority 1, (Oh wait 99.99% of Americans that play football will never get there) you don’t want him? I will take a kid that has considered giving up almost all of the free time he will have over the course of his four years of college, and then giving up the sport completely for 4 years over Mr. Cryor and his ilk any day of the week. This signing is a perfect example of the Grand Experiment still at work 40+ years from its inception.
Once again, you have outdone yourself
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 29, 2010 6:44 AM EST up reply actions
I wish there was a negative rec button for this comment.
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by kmblue on Jan 29, 2010 7:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much.
Daily Kos (the platform on which we’re modeled) has a troll-rating button available to “trusted users”, basically people who are on the site and comment a lot. I’m surprised that a similar function’s never been rolled out for the SBN blogs, though I suspect it would be abused.
(Not that Devon’s comment would be TR worthy. It’s just silly, not trollish.)
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"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Jan 29, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
They might get good kids, but anybody who’s willing to sacrifice years of his life just for the opportunity to play football in college—with no shot at the next level—is clearly someone who’s got different priorities than Penn State needs.
Have you ever watched “Taking Chance” (And, yes, it does have Kevin Bacon in it)? Truly, honor, courage, leadership, and producing productive members of society are things Penn State football has never emphasized.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 29, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
They might get good kids, but anybody who’s willing to sacrifice years of his life just for the opportunity to play football in college—with no shot at the next level—is clearly someone who’s got different priorities than Penn State needs.
I was one of those kids with 0% chance of the next level, but I played college anyway. I resent your remark, but realize your view is a little different. Many of us 0s play for the love of the game. It to us is a commitment and challenge and in the end I am a much better man for having played 5 years.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Look, this is all I'm trying to say:
Service academy athletics aren’t about the sports as much as they are at a school like Penn State. There’s not nearly as much pressure on the kids, and they’re lauded just for participating. That’s not a bad thing, and I respect the hell out of anyone who’s going to join our armed forces.
However, at Penn State, we have to try and get the best of both worlds—kids who are great citizens and also great football players. Take a look at Penn State’s commit list and it’s rare that you find one who WASN’T an All-American or an All-State player. Virtually every player who comes into Penn State has that dream of making it into the NFL, and that drives them, in football, more than the Navy or Army kids could, because they know from the moment they step foot on campus that no matter how good they are, they’ve got no shot at the pros (see: Caleb Campbell).
That’s not to take a shot at Bars for having them on his list, but it’s an entirely different experience than Penn State offers. The Service Academies are about pride, and dedication, and honor, and PSU is about all of that, AND football. While I salute the kids who attend Navy, there’s an entirely valid reason why so few PSU commits have offers from, or are considering, service academies. They’re different schools for different kids.
That said, I trust that the staff evaluated this kid and found something they like. If Mad Max is right, he seems like a real keeper. And he’s the real winner—now, if he wants to play football in college, he doesn’t have to sacrifice a few years after college to joining the military.
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 29, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
You are wrong / right.
There are kids who attend the SA’s who have schollies from other BCS schools with the opportunity to get coached up, develop and have a shot at pro. They don’t recruit leftover prospects.
The service academies can ONLY recruit the absolute cream of the crop academically. They give those chosen few a chance to pursue a higher calling then playing in front of 80 or 100,000.
Signing day is next week, right? At this moment, I guarantee, there are kids out there who have offers from BCS School X and Service Academy Y that are absolutely torn about what to do right now.
You are right in the sense that once those kids commit to SA’s, they are in it for the long haul and their focus is no longer on the NFL. But I believe, for some, that decision is made after the commitment.
You have it completely backwards
So, in your mind, any kid that gets an offer from a service academy isn’t worthy of a PSU offer? Don’t you think Navy would love to load up on Five Star kids from Florida? The problem is, five star kids don’t want to go into the military. There has to be a mutual interest there. I’m sure the service academies approach a bunch of kids on the top 100 list. But they are looking for a special kid who wants to go above and beyond the normal 18 year old. Kids who want to serve their country. They aren’t interested in kids with dreams of playing the NFL.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
That's what I'm saying
The type of kid who’s willing to play football for Navy/Army or whatever isn’t the same kid who’s going to be playing for Penn State, because the priorities are different. I’ve never heard or any type of major prospect considering a service academy, just because it’s so different. I’m trying to come up with an analogy, but what I’m trying to say is this: I think if you could take any high school football players in America and ask them whether they’d rather play for Navy or Penn State, I’d rather have the ones who say Penn State, because they’re that committed to football. I always root for Navy, and I like to see them succeed, but the players who go there aren’t doing it for the football. And yes, we like to produce the All-Americans and quality kids, but as long as they’re passing classes, graduating, and not getting into trouble, isn’t their play on the field more important?
Look at Jared Odrick—by all accounts a decent guy off the field (minus that one incident, but that wasn’t a big deal). He was never in trouble academically, and graduated on time. But he was an incredible football player, an All-conference All-American, and he’ll be a first round draft pick. To me, that’s probably more important than someone like Josh Hull, who was an Academic All-American and would’ve fit right in at Navy, but was often times a liability on the field. Sure, you want some of those kinds of kids on your team, as backups, but for a Navy, Hull would be the best player.
Give me football players who are also good kids, not good kids who play football, I guess, is what I’m trying to say.
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 29, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think you have it wrong
Give me a kid that is torn between Navy and Penn State anyday. Ultimately, I just want kids that represent the school with honor and are willing to work hard. Winning will take care of itself.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
That's pretty optimistic
If the world worked that way, I’d agree, but it’s the USCs and Ohio States and Floridas of the world who have been doing the winning. We’re trapped somewhere in the middle, which, frankly, is probably the best place to be.
NittanyWhiteOut.com. Arguably the second best Penn State blog I know of.
by Devon Edwards on Jan 29, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
If winning is all that matters
Maybe Penn State isn’t for you.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
by BSD on Jan 29, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
i didnt say that.
I would rather be a PSU fan than a Florida or USC fan. But we have to have, and do have, a higher commitment to winning than do the service academies.
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 29, 2010 1:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
read Paterno: By the Book
Or the SI man of the year article “No Ordinary Joe”. Or the article on Joe that ran this past year. Then come back and make an argument about what being a Penn State football player is all about. I mean that will all sincere respect and intent. If you read those articles you will get a great understanding of why being a service academy recruit is a good thing for a Penn State football player.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
"We’re trapped somewhere in the middle, which, frankly, is probably the best place to be."
“Give me football players who are also good kids”
“at Penn State, we have to try and get the best of both worlds—kids who are great citizens and also great football players.”
“Sure, we want smart kids who are committed to getting good grades and prospering in the community, but I want players who are just as committed to playing football as they are being good kids off the field.”
“Navy gets good kids, USC gets good football players. We can get both.”
I gave an analogy earlier, saying I’d rather have a kid who would pick PSU over Navy. I should’ve said I’d rather have a kid who would pick Central Michigan or Akron or Toledo over Navy. The commitment to football is going to be higher, and the nature of a Navy offer means they’re quality kids too. I think that just about every commit to Penn State wants to play in the NFL, and will push himself to that end. At Navy, there’s no such pressure.
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 29, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to go ahead and rec this
Not as an attack on Devon, but as a general blanket statement about what Penn State is all about.
"In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
How many times has this been said to Devon?
If you aren’t going to accept the struggles and the hardships of any sports team, or respect the dedication of a player to be a student and an athlete, you really don’t have a freaking clue what Penn State is all about, which makes you look like a foul-mouthed, ignorant, intolerant jackass.
Oh come on
I never said winning is all that matters. I’ve referenced that repeatedly throughout this thread. But the point is, when you can recruit good kids who also are pretty damn good at football, that’s better than just taking good kids and hoping it all works out.
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 29, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
that's exactly what Barns did...he chose PSU
your trying to talk circles around your original comment that “they’re not serious football players, etc”
why even make the original comment?!?!? Barns is the exact kid you just described…“I’d rather have the ones who choose Penn State” HE DID!!!!
i am glad to have Bars
But I would prefer him to pick PSU over, say USC, than over Navy.
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 29, 2010 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I could go on, but I would start here:
Their three ALL WORLD linebackers from last year
OJ Mayo
The other OJ
Reggie Bush
Keyshawn
That runningback who just left for the NFL and had shady connections. Somehow I forgot his name.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 29, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
McKnight
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Look
If you’ll say a Navy offer means someone is a great kid, then I can say a USC offer means they’re a great football player. And they’re not all bad kids—are you telling me you wouldn’t want Mark Sanchez, or Stafon Johnson?
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 29, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Mark Sanchez was an immature, spoiled douche
And I’m not just saying that because he torched us. The image that defines him for me in my eyes is the shot of him after losing to OrSU. He walks out of the tunnel and proceeds to throw his chinstrap against the wall of the tunnel and throw a hissy fit.
you can only have so many Odrick's
…you NEED kids like Hull and Bars. They push the rest of the pack, They bring them up to their level.
No, I wouldn’t want 5 Hulls as my entire LB corp…but I don’t want 5 Bowmans either. I want a mix of kids who will push each other on and off the field
In the modern era
imagine a line of Poz, Connor, Lee, and Bowman. The sheer awesome would be unmatched.
It goes back to the old Nebraska walk on deal
When Osbourne was there in the 80s and 90s they took butt loads of local walkons. These guys had to bust their butts just to make the team and they set an example and pushed the others to perform better. When Callahan took over he went national with recruiting and basically ditched the walk on program. What did his team do? It SUCKED BALLS to the point they fired Callahan and brought in Bo Poleni who has reinstated the walk on program and brought that accountability and work ethic that comes with it back to his program. They are once again on the rise.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Paul Posluszny originally planned to attend the Naval Academy
You mean he wasn’t a major prospect?
For the glory
I will never be able to explain this in a way that anyone understands but anyway...
this is just insulting to so many types of guys….
You only want one type of guy. Will die for football, mediocre grades are OK. Just get by and win, win, win!
Let’s forget about kids like Hull who are academically inclined. Wasn’t Poz an AAA?
SA players aren’t good enough because they don’t aspire to the NFL.
Joe has done pretty well by taking on good kids who play football, football players who are good kids, and everything in between
"Football"
Goldie Hawn, Wildcats
in terms of football, yes.
In terms of life? Of course not.
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 29, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
HOLY CHRIST!
Imagine being the Army seniors having walked out of West Point without ever beating Army.
Think they won’t hear about that FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES?
Which, by the way, will likely be spent in harm’s way so we can sit here and post nonsense about football recruiting. Clearly you’ve never attended an Army Navy game – I have no rooting interest, but seeing that game in person gives me goosebumps. Absolutely amazing.
by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 29, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
I can understand how a guy can get lost in the shuffle, but how does an apparently smart (making a judgment based on his school list), 6-4, 225lb LB that can run a 4.5 not have an offer from Notre Dame if his dad AND uncle played there?
I love it. I bet this guy is a special teams monster. He will clearly be my favorite guy on the team if he does anything of consequence.
Special teams
I was thinking.the same thing
by speedomike on Jan 29, 2010 5:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
On the one side of this I default to my default response whenever we get an under the radar guy:
TRUST THE FREAKING COACHES, the combined 200+ years of football experience (I made that number up, but I’d be willing to bet it’s somewhere around 200 years) they have gives them a eye for talent, even when no one else sees it (see Clark, Daryll)
This, however, is a complete surprise.
I’m surprised someone hasn’t said “THE COACHES ARE WASTING SCHOLARSHIPS!!!” yet, but honestly, he’s got the physical gifts, let’s see what he can do on the field before we call this a waste.
JoePa has 150 years himself
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
by psupride on Jan 29, 2010 8:30 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
JoePa is old jokes never get old
(Unlike JoePa!… ZING!)
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Jan 29, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How about a 3-4
With the big catches at LB this year and last, and getting that tree truck DT, I just have to think we need to be getting these stud LBs on the field. Doesn’t a 3-4 defense make sense for Penn State?
We have this discussion at least 4 times a year
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. The coaches have their scheme, to completely change things around is not really their style.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jan 28, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't be completely.
Think back to 2006 or whenever… We ran a 3.5-3.5 (sorta up lineman, but he was really just a LB).
It doesn’t change the scheme much, just what the personnel on the DL need to be able to do.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Tim Shaw.
Hayes was the same kind of stand-up end. Stupar could be as well.
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 28, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Stick with the 4-3
You recruit for your system, if you change your system for your recruits you are in trouble.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
I would view it instead as changing who's on the field to get your best players there.
Isn’t that what we did with the Spread HD? Yes.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
But the defense is *always* good.
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 29, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
But it could be better with the 11 best players on the field rather than 9-10 and extras.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
not necessarily
LJsr develops great d ends in the 4-3,
if you go to the 3-4 they must play totally different techniques, so that in its self might be a major problem. I think you stick where you are and sub, or run a rotation so they are always fresh, unless one of them stands out.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
yes as ruts said
The offense was broke, it needed to be fixed.
Obviously the defense has not been broke.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I'm routing for this kid
for tons of reasons!
And if he really makes it to the field, and excels; can you imagine the potential banners?
> “Behind Bars!”
> “No holds; Bar’ed!”
>"Mr. QB, You’ve Been BAR’"D!"
> and he becomes a QB sac master; then banners a-la “K’s” for strike-outs…team de’jour logo what ever behind a updated / added “bars” (see, jail)…
/ok, done for now…
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
Hopefully he doesn't get arrested for underage drinking;
“Bars Drinking in Bar Leads to Bars Behind Bars”
by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 29, 2010 5:48 AM EST up reply actions
yea
Or lets also hope he doesnt come out with a candy named after himself, and later becomes so famous from the candy that he runs a charity auctioning himself off in exhange for gold. But then they discover the candy is making people sick, so the organizers of the charity event ban it from said event.
I believe in that convoluded scenario, the headline would read
“Bars for Bars” bars Bars’ bars.
by swiggy04 on Jan 29, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
my god
How do you come up with this stuff?
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 29, 2010 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That'll get him "barred" from the field!
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
If he turns out really good, there could be a fanclub like Blue Royster Cult
And they could all wear Cobra Kai stuff.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Not surprised at all
These types of kids are usually our bread and butter — kids that the recruitng services don’t even have a file on but that have legitmate D-1A talent and who fit our program. It’s just that this year we’ve had our pick of high-profile kids b/c of our recent success, we haven’t had any schollys left to offer to kids like this.
Many people are aware of this, but recruiting services only ever evaluate a tiny portion of a recruiting class. And the portion they evaluate are the kids with the most visibility, who market themselves relentlessly for years before their senior season. You have to have connections to get a scout rating, you have to know someone who knows a guy. Or you have to play the self-promotion game — you go to camps from 8th grade on and constantly market yourself.
Many kids who aren’t skilled self-promoters, or who don’t have connections don’t get evaluated. They fly under the radar despite being just as talented, and maybe even more committed to their craft. I’m sure this kid is one of these, and I’m glad to have him.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Jan 28, 2010 10:23 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
^Millznes "State of the PSUnion"
Stand-up! Clapppppppppp!
/repeat
/repeat
/repeat
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by BlueWhiteLife on Jan 28, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I've always felt we needed at least one cocky "Mouth of the South" type defensive player on our team.
Hopefully he’s it. The hair looks good. Better than Bama bangs. ugh
by ReadingRambler on Jan 28, 2010 10:33 PM EST reply actions
QBs won't forget next year when he melts their faces with a wicked hit.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Welcome, Bars
trust the coaches, trust the coaches, trust the coaches.
Even if he’s only as good as senior season Hullstache, I’ll be happy.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 28, 2010 10:45 PM EST reply actions
Brown is interested?
well now it all makes sense.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 28, 2010 10:58 PM EST reply actions
Tripping is a 15 yard penalty.
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 28, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 28, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not
if you have legitimate 4.5 speed in the knee flex drill.
by DerryPharmer on Jan 29, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
I want to believe that
and it’s probably true, but how can anyone really give a 40 time and expect anyone to actually think it’s true?
I know about your diabolical plan.
Exactly
my point of sarcasm….who trusts any “times” ? Heck, back in my day, I ran a 4.6 in the 4.5 trials. WHAAAAAT does it mean ?
by DerryPharmer on Jan 29, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
I remember when I tried out for the team
McQueary told me they had literally one player with a sub-4.5…
LJ.
Now, we supposedly have 3 sub-4.3s and we’re getting two sub-4.4s this class.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Not that I don't believe that Green is sub-4.3.
Powell… dunno about that.
Smith… probably true as well. Haven’t seen enough yet to pass judgment.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Smith is probably the only one.
4.3 is ridiculous. It just doesn’t happen. Look at the NFL Combine, how many of those guys even run sub-4.4 or 4.5?
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by Run Up The Score on Jan 29, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Deon Butler
was in the 4.3 range last year at the combine. Another one or two star recruit if I recall correctly. Seriously……IF LJ Sr. gives his stamp of approval, the kid has talent and potential. I agree with the earlier posts that note this kid could be a freak on special teams. That is welcome news considering how bad our special teams were this past season!
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
So
you want a Penn State player who looks like Billy Zabka?
me thinks you’ve been watching too many Lifetime movies…
Uh, what part of "Hot Tub Time Machine" don't you understand?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1231587/
That piece of cinematic brilliance is going to sweep the Oscars in 2011.
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"When it’s third-and-10, you can take the milk drinkers and I’ll take the whiskey drinkers every time" - Max McGee
by Run Up The Score on Jan 29, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
The preview should win this year's Oscars.
Jesus that movie looks awesome.
"Have I ever told the story of when I met Miley Cyrus?"
by Jeff Junstrom on Jan 29, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
SO MUCH AWESOME.
Not sure how you found this – surprised you didn’t unearth the South Korean Iowa football helmet video, too!
by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 29, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
I saw a commercial for that
and the trailer before some other movie. It’s pretty big.
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by Devon Edwards on Jan 29, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
wait - a commercial for the South Korean Iowa helmet video?
I don’t know what they’re selling, but I’m buying.
by Tailgate Shogun on Jan 29, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Let me give it to you straight
From what I am learning of the recruiting services, this kid is a prime example of how the system can fail a good recruit. He obviously has some good football ability otherwise they would not be offering him a scholarship. Maybe he didn’t play the recruiters game, maybe he had some turmoil at his school with a coaching change (coaches do a ton of selling when it comes to recruiting) Maybe he comes from a no-name area, but as a poster said above LJSR’s opinion carries with it more weight than any recruiting service.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
And, because he was recruited by service academies...
I don’t think we have to worry about him threatening to stab teammates.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
PLEEEEEAAAASEE
I’m just kidding…so don’t go ballistic.
by DerryPharmer on Jan 29, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
+1 on the ballistic pun
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
by carolinaeasy on Jan 29, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Awesome!
Interesting that he didn’t even have to walk on first.
And why hasn’t Sweep The Leg chimed in on this yet? I’d think he’d be over the moon.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
I think this is the reason I love Penn State
Sure we COULD go after the same guys USC, Ohio State or Alabama do.
But you love Penn State because we arent Ohio State or USC or Florida or Alabama. We will not pimp ourselves out to players that dont have the mindset we want. Thats why you love Penn State
You love Penn State because we have no problem asking a good player to go to a prep school and get your grades up first.
You love Penn State because we will not go after 5 star guys with no brains just so our class is #1, never have. When we do go after those guys, they tend not to come here anyway. The guys who are highly ranked and have the character we desire will find their way here.
You love Penn State because we do the opposite. We gladly have our 2010 class ranking knocked down by recruiting a 2 star kid no other BCS school wants (probably because hes a two star) who gets offers from Harvard, because thats the type of kid we want. If youre smart enough, and you have some football talent, Penn State will make you into an All American (Pos), all Big Ten (Clark) or NFL caliber player (Ethan Kilmer, Deon Butler).
Will this kid be the next Jack Ham, or Shane Conlan or Paul Posluzsny? I dont know. But will he embarass this school, its alumni or its fans? I can guarantee you he does not
THAT is why you love Penn State
by swiggy04 on Jan 29, 2010 4:19 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Recced for emphasis
This is why I’m glad to be a Penn Stater. WE ARE!!
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
twitter: @princessblueezy
Young Lady
If you are anything like my daughter (PSU Grad) you put Us Jockos and wannabees, both young and old, to shame with your sports’ knowledge…Keep on keepin’ on from one of the Old Guys….WE ARE PennState…“molder of Men (and Women !)”
by DerryPharmer on Jan 29, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Easy Rec, and excellently put
We are not USC or tOSU. We don’t fear not getting hyped HS players, because we know the power of our coaching staff. We can often complain about a play call, or being too conservative in close games, but one thing NO ONE can criticize these coaches for is their ability to develop both great players and great citizens regardless of some stupid stalking service’s star rating. These are guys that can turn walk-ons into multi-million dollar NFL players.
Sure it’s nice to get highly touted kids coming out of high school, but after a recruiting class has signed on the dotted line, what does that class ranking mean? Jack squat. And I’m extremely proud we have the coaching staff that realizes this.
FWIW: If Poz didn't come here
He was going to one of the service academies.
Black shoes, basic blues, no names, all game.
Bars
this kid is an all-around stud. wouldn’t be surprised if other schools try to sign him at last minute.
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