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Football too dangerous? Time Article explores

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It's something that comes to my mind only when I see a player laying on the field unconscious.  How much of a toll does football take on a player in the long run?  We can say in the NFL that a player certainly knows what he is getting into and accepts those risks as part of the giant paycheck they receive.  However, where I start to see a problem is when young players are facing these same issues.  Do we willingly let our student players sacrifice their physical and mental futures because it is the most popular and lucrative game?  Do you see any way to make football safer without sacrificing the popularity (and $$$) of the game itself?  Fascinating stuff, and something that is going to be explored lots in the years to come as people read these articles and studies and realize the effects this could have on their sons in HS and College...

Another CNN article... 

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It's something that comes to my mind only when I see a player laying on the field unconscious

Dude, after that Real Sports episode the other week, it comes to my mind on every freaking snap. I will not even f*@k around when it comes to head injuries, and I’m pretty damn liberal in the Do Whatever You Want to Your Own Body department. The most damning part to me was that UNC dude who had a wireless monitor on the insides of helmets and he was recording the number of brain collisions (that’s Brain colliding with Skull, mind you) that happened during practice. Yeah, we’re talkin bout practice!

I really really love watching American football. College football is my favorite sport, by a wide, wide margin. But if I’m being totally objective, it’s a pretty stupid sport. And it’s a legitimate health risk to the athletes who play it. And I know I’m very likely to struggle with this conflict through the next ten years. Especially when my boys come asking why they’re not allowed to play when all their friends are.

I really don’t see the sport surviving as currently structured anyway (hopefully, actually, so I don’t feel so conflicted). The better the medical evidence becomes, the more reports and disclosures that arrive, and the increase in real-world horror stories, the more the sport of football is going to be forced to change its fundamental rules. I really can’t see the Helmet lasting as a piece of equipment. The sport as built has a bleak future.

But not half as bleak as the health of the athletes currently playing it.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Feb 1, 2010 11:19 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Although I played in High School, my son will not when he reaches the age

At my very last practice senior year I got a stinger & concussion and never played again. If you’ve never been concussed . . . it’s not fun whatsoever, and over the following 20 years the then undiagnosed hairline fracture in my C4 detached into a floating bone chip, which caused a massive disc bulge, requiring surgery in the not too distant future and constant pain until then.

This was high school football, on a bad team, in a minor division (though I did get to play against Michael Vick’s team as he sat on the bench his freshman year). This isn’t college where the force of impacts and likelihood of injury are increased exponentially.

I honestly think we need to ditch the plastic helmets, which will never happen. Until then, I’m really glad other parents are willing to allow their minor child’s long term health to be jeopardized, but it won’t be my kid out there. If you’re going to support football, I don’t see how you can do anything but embrace the hypocrisy inherent and undeniable in this viewpoint.

Some people are born mediocre, some achieve mediocrity, and some people have mediocrity thrust upon them. - Joseph Heller

by NLseattle on Feb 1, 2010 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

Good lord

You’ve just convinced me to never be physically active again. Quick someone get me to best buy so I can buy Mass Effect 2, and not leave my room for the next month.

by dawsonPSU10 on Feb 1, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well really it's an odds games, isn't it?

I don’t like anyone’s odds, they get hit hard with a hard plastic helmet enough times. It’s not the contact, it’s the damn helmet and the reckless force and speed behind it I fear. Also, my circumstances are super rare and have made me a bit of a wuss :-) Please go outside and play.

/shrug tbh if he wants to play I’ll probably cave in. It’s a very scary thought though, compared to any other HS sport. The helmet is a problem.

Some people are born mediocre, some achieve mediocrity, and some people have mediocrity thrust upon them. - Joseph Heller

by NLseattle on Feb 1, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I was joking about becomming a hermit (not about Mass effect 2 though)

I understand your concern, but it’s kind of like the high school health class warnings of not drinking and doing drugs (not that I advocate drugs) and destroying your brain. Yes, you’ll kill off some brain cells, but unless you’re getting seriously messed up (either through physical contact or substances) a lot, you have plenty of brain cells left. The health class thing was meant to scare kids into not doing drugs or drinking (which has worked flawlessly, I might add), I don’t think there’s anything to be seriously worried about. Risk, yes, but almost any sport you play is going to have some contact.

I played soccer for many years up until HS, and I’ve collided with people on the field accidentally, I got tripped by a guy from behind and did a faceplant into the dirt, not to mention the countless times I’ve rolled my ankles, or getting shoved by some a-hole in an indoor soccer match and coming down full weight on my ankle, which took me out that game as my ankle swelled up like a balloon, etc. etc.
I’ve played volleyball too and again, rolled ankles, jumped for a block and again came down on with my full weight on my ankle. I’ve gone down for a dig in the sand, and ended up tweaking something in my knee, which could have been a partial ligament tear (I should have but never went to go see a doctor).

by dawsonPSU10 on Feb 2, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the difference is

none of those injuries you sustained is likely going to cause you to have Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s like symptoms by the time you are 50, and/or lead to severe depression and inability to function in society. Also, football you also can have those other “minor” injuries you mentioned from playing volleyball and soccer.

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 2, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I know, sorry, I should have restated my point at the end

My point was that there’s risk you take in getting potentially life changing injuries, either immediate, or down the line, in most sports. Sure, football it’s a little more common to have your brain bash into your skull repeatedly. But the same could be said for other sports is well, which is why I included my own personal injury history.

by dawsonPSU10 on Feb 2, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

When the subject is physical brain damage

I’d be very interested in learning which is worse. Alcohol and Drugs could be interesting comparisons. Eventually perhaps, studies may show, but I’d be very curious to learn the drug equivalent of repeated head to head collisions. How many hits of acid would equal the damage done to the brain in a single football game? How many thousands of pounds of weed? How many millions of gallons of booze? I’d guess a whole lot. What do you think?

And NLSeattle’s injuries were football- and brain-injury related. Do soccer and ankle injuries fit in the discussion?

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Feb 2, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

See my response to JNitt, I was just using my soccer injuries just as an example.

Me colliding with another soccer player at full speed or getting tripped and bouncing my head against the dirt both, if happening repeatedly could do brain damage. And the other injuries were just to point out that there’s risk in any sport.

As for the drug/alcohol vs. impact study, I don’t know which would be worse. And I think you’d have an easy time finding volunteers for the drug/alcohol portion, but the “I’m going to bash your head in with this bat” portion might be hard to get any volunteers for.

by dawsonPSU10 on Feb 2, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe they should make "crumple zone" helmets

that’ll still protect the head of the wearer, but will “crumple” on any significant impact like that (though a lot of the studies say it is all those undetectable sub-concussive impacts that is causing the most damage), and once the helmet is “crumpled” that player can’t play anymore.

The problem isn’t the helmets, per say, it is the “invincible” feeling that certain players have when they’re wearing the helmets, and using them as weapons.

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 2, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

+1 for 'undetectable sub-concussive impacts causing the most damage'

The problem isn’t helmets or feelings of invincibility. The problem is the frequency and repetition of players’ brains colliding with the inside of their skulls. This happens so freaking regularly. Think 5 olinemen and 4 dlinemen lining up and banging their heads against each other 50-60 times a game. It fits the very definition of insanity: extreme foolishness, folly.

"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess

by jtothep on Feb 2, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

People do dumber things for fame and glory

If someone told you that you could earn millions of $$ a year for smashing your head 50 times a day, would you do it? I have no pain tolerance, so my answer is NO WAY!

by chakey on Feb 2, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Then you get the genius from WVU,

I can’t remember who he plays for in the NFL, who has bashed himself hard enough in the head with his own helmet to open up a gash.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Feb 2, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

or the genius called Gus Frerotte, who celebrated a touchdown and ended up in the hospital

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by letsgopsu on Feb 2, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

/agree entirely

The sub-concussive impacts are where it’s at. There’s a huge and growing body of science regarding these injuries, which I’ve always refer to as closed head injuries. They are poorly understood at best, but I’ve had doctors tell me that the damage caused to the brain, and whatever that protective membrane between the brain and the skull, is more or less permanent, and certainly cumulative.

That being said, I do think the feeling of invincibility leads to kids flying around helmet first with reckless abandon. Football hurts a lot to play, and it’s supposed to, but it gets really dangerous when the kid delivering the hit feels no fear of pain because he’s protected by hard plastic.

Some people are born mediocre, some achieve mediocrity, and some people have mediocrity thrust upon them. - Joseph Heller

by NLseattle on Feb 2, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

This happens so freaking regularly. Think 5 olinemen and 4 dlinemen lining up and banging their heads against each other 50-60 times a game

Think about letting them start to do it in fifth grade, without an athletic trainer within five miles.

I honestly believe that head injuries and concussions are to football what lung cancer was to cigarettes.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Feb 2, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

great idea, but

Then there will be allegations of “helmet reinforcing” and players just trying to get to the QB’s helmet!

by chakey on Feb 2, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

There's those foam shell things

I forget his name, but I remember some little WR for the Bills back in the day having to wear one all the time.

Some people are born mediocre, some achieve mediocrity, and some people have mediocrity thrust upon them. - Joseph Heller

by NLseattle on Feb 2, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

It was called the "Pro Cap"

This is a picture of Mark Kelso of the Bills wearing it. There was another guy from 49ers that wore it as well.

I’m not sure that the Pro-Cap is as effective against concussions as the new helmets that are becoming popular. Ironically, they are most common at high end D1 programs like Penn State. Every single Penn State player wears the concussion resistant “”http://www.american-football.hu/images/Schutt%20DNA.jpg" target="new">Riddell Revolution" helmet, they aren’t given an option. At the same same time, dip-shit Ben Roethlisberger can have his fifth concussion in two years and go back to wearing the same ol’ helmet he always wears.

Of course the Riddell helmet retails for about $1,000. Which means you won’t be seeing it in Pee Wee football anytime soon.

Pitt currently has both a better football and basketball team than Michigan.

by jesse. on Feb 2, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yowza. And that's where it all falls apart

The NFL needs kids to play football. The future of their business enterprise absolutely demands it. If the only way to safely do so requires a thousand dollar helmet, not many kids are going to be playing football.

Guess they don’t need those helmets after all, huh?

Some people are born mediocre, some achieve mediocrity, and some people have mediocrity thrust upon them. - Joseph Heller

by NLseattle on Feb 2, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't imagine the helmets cost that much to manufacture

especially if they started doing large scale manufacturing of them. If it became a rule that these helmets were required at least at the pro, college, and even HS level, I’d imagine the prices would drop to be more in line with what regular helmets are now.

by The JuggerNitt on Feb 2, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Just hink how large

Colin Wagner’s helmet would have to be. That kid has a large noggin.

One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's

by rahpsu92 on Feb 2, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

New CNN article

Talks about the specifics of one kid with a brain injury.

Article Here.

by chakey on Feb 5, 2010 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

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