Les Miles The Bowl Legend, 2005-2009
by Kevin HD on Jan 4, 2010 8:23 PM EST
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It was a heck of a run. Pre-bowl game thoughts from the comments at ATVS:
His 4-0 Record at LSU, along with a 157-44 scoring advantage in those games, makes him a legend IMO.
And so it's sad that, after Bobby Bowden The Other Bowl Legend retired to much fanfare and things like this:
...Leslie Edwin "Les" Miles ended his career as a Bowl Legend with nothing more than some poor clock management, a lot of mud, and a two point loss to some guy name Joe Paterno.
So let's take a good look back at the humble beginning, long established glory, and substance of what made this man such a Master of the Money-Grab Game, a true Patron of the Postseason, such a Gutsy Scuffler of the Glorified Scrimmage.
It all started with The Beginnings.
Miami waited until after the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl to put up a fight. Miami and LSU players exchanged punches in the tunnel as they left the field Friday night after the Tigers' 40-3 victory.
The Uprising.
You know what that is? The sweet taste of inevitability. Just 12 short months after Florida ran all over Ohio State in the BCS MNC, Les drove the one hour and 18 minutes down to the Louisiana Superdome for a neutral site game against the Buckeyes and did just about the same thing.
An MNC ensued, and for the second straight year Les beat a team he was favored against.
The Calm Before The Storm.
Embarrassing blowouts by Florida, Georgia and Mississippi mean one thing in the SEC, and that one thing is another December trip to the bowl game named after a fruit but sponsored by a restaurant that awkwardly doesn't serve anything actually grown in the ground.
Georgia Tech may have been a feel good story, but there 1920s offense was not match for an actual defensive front the Bees hadn't seen all season in the ACC. Four-n-oh, and the mathematicians can suck it.
The Fall of Rome.
Nothing good ever lasts for long:
Les Miles' perfect bowl record as LSU coach ended in a muddy mess.
It sure did. And with a two point loss to a team not known for toughness or bowl wins, it must have been especially hard to swallow.
The loss ended an era, and college football fans across the country are forced to scour the nation for an active coach who might one day be able to carry the weight of "Bowl Legend" for an entire four seasons without buckling their knees via a 4-yard crossing route called with 20 second left to go and a legacy on the line.
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Oh, and Kevin...
This is one of your finest posts, friendo.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 4, 2010 8:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Finding the photos was the funest part. The guy is the opposite of photogenic, which makes him very, very photogenic but in a different way.
I’ve wanted to write this for three days but life, ect.
I know about your diabolical plan.
FWIW:
Second to last post is a red x.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 4, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
still?
Tried to fix, looks good over here. I’ve been using Chrome a lot, which I like, but SBN doesn’t.
I know about your diabolical plan.
Gets the rec for Kevin's hearkening back to the
“I never really felt like they wanted to tackle me.” AHAH. That is NO DOUBT my favorite quote in Penn State history, even better than the Heisman talk. Because… Wow… He just called out a CONFERENCE that is full of bitches.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Great Post
It’s too bad that everyone seems to be writing off this win to the sloppy field, one questionable personal foul call, and Les Miles’s incompetence at clock management.
Mike
Black Shoe Diaries
That...
… and the fact LSU isn’t that good this year.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
http://www.andthevalleyshook.com
Neither are we.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 4, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Get off your high horse
11-2 is a record of a good team. We lost to the two teams better than us — it happens. We took care of business against everyone else.
I was sarcastic
As I felt that was the proper way of responding to Poseur’s comment.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 4, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
IMO we lost to 1 team that was better than us
IMO we are better than Iowa but to their credit they took it to us in the 4th Qtr.
I'd agree somewhat
I would say that we are probably overall better than Iowa, but (especially at the time) they were better in the matchups, especially their D-line vs our O-line. Sorta like a rock-paper-scissors sorta thing where we had really good scissors and could cut through all the paper teams, but Iowa, unfortunately, had a really big rock. Similar problem with OSU. Luckily most teams on our schedule were paper teams, or inferior scissor teams.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 5, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I can't say we're better than Iowa. No way
we had them in the White House and they still took it to us, after a quick 10-0 hole they dug for themselves. My theory is that people tend to underrate Iowa’s line play and think they aren’t a good football team because the stats may not be where you think they’d be for a 10-2 team. They were and probably still are better than us
Iowa's defense was phenomenal (at least their front 7)
their offense is very very meh. Our offense is pretty good, but we had some trouble with our O-line play, especially early in the year. Our defense was very good as well…maybe not as good as Iowas, but the difference between our offense and their offense was greater than the difference between our defense and their defense. That is what I meant by “better overall” (in fact we ranked higher in both scoring offense and scoring defense). Of course when you throw special teams in there…well then I don’t even know.
And if you read what I posted, they had a definite matchup advantage over us with their D-line vs our O-line, which allowed for them to take advantage of us.
But I also want to point to pretty much their entire season. Yes a win is a win, but they had a lot of VERY close calls to teams that PSU would likely have blown out of the water. They needed 2 friggen blocked FGs at the end of the game to beat Northern Iowa!
But yes, they did beat us, and perhaps would beat us again if we played today. That’s why I was using the “rock, paper, scissors” analogy. They beat us, but it could have been because of a matchup advantage.
I really don’t like arguments like this, though, and so I should just stop. This just makes me come across as a whiny, sore loser, and I’m not trying to be. Iowa definitely deserved their win over us.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 6, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, I see what you're sayin
It’s kinda like, if Penn State and Iowa were to play every other D1 team in the country, Penn State might end up with more wins than Iowa despite Iowa deserving their win over Penn State based on dominating one or two key matchups. We might have to agree to disagree but you bring a pretty good argument either way.
that's basically what I was saying
of course I have no idea if it is true or not. Maybe we’d have the same record, and PSU just has more blowouts (both blowing out other teams and being blown out) while Iowa has consistent 3 point wins and 3 point losses. Which is better? I don’t know. But from watching both teams this year I just always had a sense of “Iowa is going to collapse” for every game they played, no matter the opponent, while I felt very comfortable in PSU’s ability to win in all but the Iowa and OSU games, and specifically because of both teams’ nasty front 7 on defense.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 6, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Dude..
Big Ten is EASILY the best conference this year (by that I mean deepest in Top 15 Teams), and we were the 3rd best… That puts us, I would guess, Pound Sign 8 after TCU got beat by subpar team #2 (subpar team #1, OBVI, is anyone from the Little Least)
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I think I was trying to be sarcastic.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Just makin sure.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
A day late and a dollar short on the comeback
I grew up in Maryland… … so I deeply hate Penn St.
I grew up in Pennsylvania, so I never heard of Maryland.
Just keep swimin'...
You were in the wrong part of PA, I guess.
Never forgive and never forget!
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
I don't blame you.
We have only ourselves to blame for letting the Marylanders infiltrate our educational system and poison our youth.
Or maybe we should blame them for being little whiny babies.
Pwned. They hate us because we’re the masters of disaster.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
For the record...
… I also said:
Besides, ginning up the proper hatred for Penn St is pretty hard. I tried to think back to childhood and how the Nittany Lions would seemingly beat Maryland by 3 points every year, but even kids who grow up in Maryland don’t cry themselves to sleep over the football team (the basketball team is a different story). PSU is responsible for one of my favorite games ever, the 1986 Fiesta Bowl, so I have a reservoir of goodwill towards them. And who hates Joe Pa?
Eh. I didn’t really care about the game beforehand, I don’t really care in the aftermath. It’s an exhibition game that didn’t mean anything. And yes, that’s exactly what I said before the game.
The reason the field became the stroy is because, well, it was a truly terrible field. That WAS the story of the game for a neutral fan. Mainly because most people don’t care who wins. It was a close game. Nice win. Congrats. But if you’re basing all of your trash talk on a 2-point win in the slop, then, whatever. I’m not overawed. The game quite literally could have gone either way and came down to the last play. You normally don’t bust out the “we are awesome and you suck” trash talk posts after a narrow two point win.
Anyway, congrats. Hope to see you in the title game next year.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
http://www.andthevalleyshook.com
by Poseur on Jan 5, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you truely want to lose with grace
You also have to win with grace. I don’t believe LSU has won with grace these past 4 years, and I don’t know why you you’re posturing yourself this way after a loss.
I understand you don’t represent every SEC fan, or even every LSU fan — but you are in a position where you must at least acknowledge that those two fan bases are responsible for a mountain of trash talk over the last few years.
I think it’s silly that you would act offended when another fan base simply pokes fun at the notion that 4 bowl wins makes you a legend. This post isn’t even remotely close to the ignorant crap we see every day from SEC fans and pundits.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
A couple things
1] For the Penn State fans, we’re projecting a bit. I follow this blog pretty closely, and there weren’t many, if any, LSU fans here predicting anything more than what we got. A good tough football game. As near as I can tell, there was no ESSS-EEEE-CEEEE nonsense.
2] For the LSU fans, you absolutly would have been chanting S-E-C at the end of that game had you won. This is a fact, attempts to debate it will make you look like a liar.
3] ATVS doesn’t get as much traffic as BSD. But there was one post, with north of 200 comments, at least 125 of which could have been front page posts. All of them bemoaning there disappointing loss/season. There wasn’t 10 words about hey, Penn State’s good, and they’ve been good for a long time. The fact that your fan base expected to win that game was both a little foolish and a little insulting.
4] So in retrospect, the lead post is a response to 1] trash talk you would have made had you got the chance, 2] a distinct, if unspoken, lack of respect for the way our region plays football, and 3] ESPN related crap that gets on our nerves but really has nothing to do with you.
Just keep swimin'...
Honest responses
1) Thanks. I will say the same about PSU fans over at ATVS. And I’m only over here joshing on this thread about Northern culture in good fun.
2) I agree, the SEC chant doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Then again, LSU is already easy to chant. I do think a lot of it comes from the way the rest of the country looks down on Southerners as dumb rednecks. So when we beat a team from one of those fancy-pants places, we absolutely enjoy it. Look, making fun of Southerners is the only acceptable form of racism in this country left. Put it like this, if there is a stupid character on a TV show, what accent is he most likely to have? Can you imagine, say, a Hispanic equivalent of Cleetus the Slack Jawed Yokel, even on a show as smart as The Simpsons.
3) That 200 comment thread has nothing to do with the game, really. It’s about Chavis and how much blame for the season to put on him. It has nothing to do with expecting to beat PSU. In fact, those ripping Chavis probably expected to lose. It’s about the season in general. I hate to break it to you, but we don’t care about Penn St. Sort of like how you don’t care about LSU.
4) I honestly don’t think you would have seen any trash talk from ATVS. And probably not from TigerDroppings, which is too concerned with eating its own to worry about that. The fanbase is at war with itself, and this game was sort of incidental to that.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
http://www.andthevalleyshook.com
And
My whole take on the “S E C” thing is that conference strength matters in the BCS era so people tend to care about it.
Early in the BCS, Tennessee in 1998 not withstanding, the SEC got robbed by the BCS and many couldn’t figure out how, for instance Auburn could go undefeated in the SEC but OU, who had been destroyed versus any decent team they had played for two years got left out.
So it matters, I wish it didn’t because truthfully, I hate Auburn, Alabama, Florida, etc…
As to the claim that we somehow disrespected PSU or made excuses; I wrote an article, which most of you posted on that flat out said “LSU lost first and for most BECAUSE PSU won” – no excuses, no trash talk.
Do we break down the game afterward, yes. Most of our guys will be gripping even when we win because as Poseur said, we are at war internally over our coaching staff.
Bottom line, trash talk now all you want it just makes you look a little less classy. But what a country hick like me know?
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
They're not mutually exclusive: Post Game Smack and General Classiness.
We went through this a little with Iowa in reverse. The only difference, besides won/loss position was the location of the debate/stick-poking. Then, we were in our own living room, doing what you guys did at ATVS—breaking down our own loss, commisserating, doling out coaching blames. And BHGP did plenty of chest-bumping and man-shouts in their house. But then they waltzed into our living room and started with ‘why can’t you credit Iowa? why is it that PSU lost and Iowa didn’t win?’ And we defended our right to break our own shit down in our own way in our own house. My main message then: keep your poking stick over in your yard, and let us grieve.
Look you guys have been great. You personally went out of your way in nearly all your posts here to credit the victors and offer gradulations. I think that’s classy. I’d have done the same thing at ATVS. I also would have respected your right to thump a few chests there, beat a few drums, and to, as the aussies say, take a little piss out of us. —In your living room.
LSU fought hard in a good, close game. The team and its fans have nothing to be ashamed of, on the field or off. We respect your players, fans and coaches. And to the victor go the spoils. JoePa’s bowl record is a source of real pride for our fans. And Les’ bowl record, besmirched now with a lone blemish by Joe, is a fair-game target for some post-game fun. I’m sorry if you feel it makes us look a little less classy, but I respectfully disagree, and feel our Class can indeed stand side by side with some victory-earned jabs. Here, in our living room.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
by jtothep on Jan 5, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not offended
Normally trash talk reflects the person talking it, not the one being talked about. But if you want to talk about “winning with grace”, do you think misplaced trash talk after a narrow win is really the way to teach that lesson?
We weren’t really dishing out a whole lot of “PSU sucks” threads over at ATVS. In fact, we sort of ignored the game and said generally nice things about PSU. I was clarifying the Maryland comment was really saying, “PSU used to beat us all the time so I know they are good”
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
http://www.andthevalleyshook.com
I can boil it down
Penn State won, so it was a football game. Had LSU won, it would have been more evidence of your alleged "regional supremacy ".
Dude, that shit gets tiresome. It’s not all your fault, ESPN does a lot of the dishing out on your behalf. Unfortunately, you guys the two LSU fans on this board especially, have to do a lot taking it.
Just keep swimin'...
Plenty of people are using this win (along with Wisconsin, OSU, Iowa) as part of their evidence that the Big Ten is a lot better than they were given credit for. Just as in previous years LSU bowl wins have been used along with other SEC bowl wins as evidence of conference quality.
The soul of New Orleans... Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT! I BELIEVE!
If your fanbase doesn't do songs like this, maybe you need a new fanbase.
the funny thing
is that during the regular season, the Big 10 looked worse this year than I thought it was last year. Maybe that was more a factor of the bottom teams coming up instead of the top teams falling down, though.
In reality, the bowl games are just too small of a sample size to really determine which conferences are actually better, but it’s all we got, and ESPN has to talk about something to fill their website and bazillion channels.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 6, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the usefulness of bowl records is one of the things that’s been interesting to note, as I get to shuttle back and forth between home (Louisiana) and grad school (Oregon). Last year, around the Pac-10, bowl record was a great measure of how good a conference is. This year, everyone thinks it’s a poor one. Conversely, the rest of the college football world waved off last year’s undefeated bowl season as little more than a fluke, but after a 2-5 record this year, it’s good cause to say “Wow, the Pac is horrible.”
Similarly, the past few years, SEC fans I know have generally touted the number of Top 25 teams as another good measure of conference quality. This year, it doesn’t really say that much. And on the West Coast, that same number is a once-horrible measure that somehow became valid this year.
And so on…
The soul of New Orleans... Go Ducks, Geaux Tigers, Go Braves, Go Hornets, and most of all WHO DAT! I BELIEVE!
If your fanbase doesn't do songs like this, maybe you need a new fanbase.
Hey, I’m not the first to point out that you guys have been classy over there on your site. And every fan base has a collection of jerks who don’t represent the general fan base — you guys on the other hand do represent the fan base well. I’m not trying to imply you were talking a lot of trash — but that doesn’t mean many people among the SEC fanbase were and have been for quite some time.
What I’m trying to say is basically what Jesse said, so I’ll just defer to the post above this one.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Get over the muddy field
Notice how Holliday was still able to unleash a huge return. The field conditions weren’t really detrimental to straight line speed. They most certainly were a bigger issue for agility and cutting. But they were the same for both teams. Sometimes you get to play a bowl in a dome a few miles from home, other times you get to play in weather like northern teams often do.
You’re right, it was a 2 point win, and really could have gone either way. But a win counts all the same. If a 2-point win counts as a full win in the SEC because the teams are so well-matched, then it counts in a bowl because the teams are well-matched.
If the field wasn't muddy, we would have kicked LSU in their rumps.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Very possibly.
Like I said, the story of the game was the field, but remember, most people don’t even care who wins. The memorable thing about this game is the field. Was it a factor in who won? Probably. Who did it benefit? No idea. On a field that doesn’t look like the Sommes, maybe the PSU linemen get more traction and dominate our lines even more than they did. Maybe Clark is able to scramble more effectively and rushes for 100 yards. I absolutely did not bring up the field as an excuse, I just pointed out it was likely the most memorable thing about the game to a neutral fan. It’s hardly surprising it dominated the coverage.
We played on the same field. Penn St won. Credit to y’all.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
http://www.andthevalleyshook.com
The fact is
the game did matter. The SEC is down a bit this year as far as overall balance, but it still has the positive rep. In past years there would not have been two undefeated teams in the SEC title game. The B-10 regained a bit of competitive balance this year, but it still has the negative rep. In past years the B-10 champion would have marched into the BCS with 1 or 0 losses, but better balance and OOC scheduling (for OSU, at least) resulted in three 2 loss teams.
SEC is judged best conference based largely on bowl performance. When you have #3 teams in each conference matched up, that’s a good barometer. While it’s pretty clear the best SEC teams are basically the best in the country, 5 out of the last 6 wins for B-10 in Cap One Bowl (and 4 of 6 for SEC in the Outback) suggest the upper middle of the conferences is well-matched.
Both sides are correct...
it mattered from a PSU prespective b/c they did what they hadn’t done against O$U and Iowa. However, 10 years from now, I will primarily remember the game as the mud bowl.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 5, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'll probably remember it as the clump-o-turf bowl.
Seriously, the field is bad when there were numerous occasions when I thought there was a fumble, but it was really just a huge clump of turf flying around.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 5, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Kevin, this post was awesome, if it was a fanpost, I would have gladly rec'd it to the top of the pile
but you are a mod, and recs do nothing for your posts, but I will rec it anyway because it had me laughing out loud.
Funny, and harsh, and completely kicking them while they are down
Also, for some reason the pictures show up when I look at this in IE, but not when using Firefox (which is really frustrating because in Firefox I can’t ever tell if there are supposed to be pictures or not because there is no red X…no anything…
I must say
I thouroughly enjoyed blogging with you guys pre game and most of you have shown nothing but class but this is really kind of beneath a school and fan base of PSU’s caliber, wouldn’t you say.
We do our trash talking before the game,if we win we say great game, you guys were a worthy opponent. If we lose we say congratulations, you deserved it.
If you ask me this is an Adam James (punk) move.
Have a great day.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Um...
We do our trash talking after we’ve actually done something worth smack talking about…kind of like the Gettysburg Address.
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by fugimaster24 on Jan 5, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 for reference our opponents (Except SM, who seems to have a clue)
know NOTHING about.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
referencing what...
Drunk, sorry…
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I'd say it was pretty necessary
Since all we heard since the game was announced was “How can you possibly compete with the ZOMG lesticles?! Don’t you know this man is a bowl game god?!”
And, yeah, trash talking pre-game is a Mike Leach (punk) move. Its totally better after, kind of like the Siege of Vicksburg.
Deus nobiscum, quis contra?
Eh
For us, pregame is more about respecting your opponent, telling the media “they’re a good football team” and saying “good luck” on your way out of the tailgate to the visiting fan that came up huge with the ketchup because we ran out.
After the game is for calling out said fellow tailgaters for all the stupid crap they said before kickoff. If you don’t want us taking thing personally before the game you can’t take this personally after.
I know about your diabolical plan.
by Kevin HD on Jan 5, 2010 6:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is intellectually dishonest.
Pal, we’ve seen TigerDroppings.com
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
by SubLime on Jan 5, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
This is coming from someone who:
-told a psi fan on ATVS to go leave you guys alone and let you dissect the loss and the fanbases will go our separate ways
-THEN came back here to post a link to get traffic for your own article saying that we may disagree with some points
-THEN when some people do disagree (on our own blog where you opened up the conversation) called them “stupid posters”
is now telling us to leave it alone?
Maybe time I give you some of your own advice. Thank you, we have enjoyed discussing the game with you over the last month. But now the game is over and it’s time to leave us be and let us dissect our team’s win, which does include the opposing fan bases rationale for why they would win.
by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 5, 2010 8:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Damn phone
Clearly that should be psu, but my phone prefers pressure measurements.
by PSUinBOSSton on Jan 5, 2010 8:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I haven't read through the entire post, nor the comments, but is that hysterical picture of Les with his tongue out..
Actually people pouring WATER BOTTLES on him? Not A GATORADE TUB, but WATER BOTTLES?
Pussy. Learn to deal with damp weather and poor refereeing before you come before the feet of Teh JOEPA, who knows both better than All That Have Come Before and Ever Will Be.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
GUYS!
I have a video that represents everything our young upstart coach did to the established legend, Les Miles himself!
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
BOOM goes the dynamite!
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 5, 2010 6:51 AM EST up reply actions
Dude...
Michael Robinson himself said he doesn’t want copies of that play being used anywhere.
only cuz the other guy got hurt (career ending injury), which was very unfortunate
but that play is still awesome
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 6, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Southern girls
Once again, are overrated.
by speedomike on Jan 5, 2010 8:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Negative
Southern girls are definitely not overrated come down to the 757 (SE VA) during the spring while your still shoveling snow and tell me the ladies walkin around in their sundresses are overrated i dare ya
Sure
They might be cute, but can they shovel snow? My guess is that they’d be pretty useless in that respect.
Just keep swimin'...
No argument there
For the most part that would be terrible at shoveling snow, but i would not mind watchin em try for a while
Are you kidding me?
Do you know how southern people react to snow? I’m surprised they don’t melt.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
As long as they stay off the roads
That is is biggest complaint i have after spending five years in state college. If there is a half inch of snow down here the roads will be a mess, and there will be a car that has gone off the road atleast every half mile it’s absolutely rediculous. But at the same time it is nice not having to deal with the brutal cold anymore. It hasnt got much below 25 at anytime day or night so far this winter (according to everyone around here this is an exceptionally cold winter).
Brutal cold toughens you up.
Warm weather, year round, does nothing but weaken you.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
What are you trying to say?
That its not acceptable to use a garden hose to wash the snow off your car?
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
During my five years in Erie
the hose was usually frozen solid.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
Now that's just plain stupidity.
I can take ignorance, but stupidity is hard to take.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
No.
But we had the good sense to live somewhere warm. And if it does get cold, the southern girl can keep you warm.
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I doubt that.
She’ll be too busy fretting about her hair melting or something. No offense, but you’re just not prepared.
Besides, northern teams are used to cold and thus don’t look like idiots like Miami did when they had sideline heaters in 45 degree weather.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Admittedly, that was lame
Seriously. Heaters? What happened to swagga?
But you really are missing out on the glories of southern women. I lived in Maryland, went to LSU, and now live in Texas. There ain’t no comparison (not that Maryland is that far north, but its close). Southern women, particularly Texas women, are wonderful. I ain’t ever moving back north.
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You have all those women (admittedly, there are no hot women in State College. None at all. And they don't play volleyball either).
But just look how well prepared they make you for bowl games, no?
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
lol
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Also, the farthest north you have lived is Maryland? Big deal.
Frankly, friendo, you have no room to comment. The hottest woman in Maryland is probably some woman on the Ravens cheer squad. Maryland stinks.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
Think some “omg super hot southern girl” knows how to make sauerkraut? Hell no.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Texas had a large German population. So, yeah, the Texas girl can make sauerkraut and a delicious chili. The Louisiana girl doesn’t need to make sauerkraut, she can make gumbo. You should check it out. And they all can drink more bourbon than you can.
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by Poseur on Jan 5, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
More bourbon?
My Liver and I beg to differ.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Jan 5, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
JoePa checks, and raises you 3 Old Grandads.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 6, 2010 7:24 AM EST up reply actions
Bourbon is crap.
Old Overholt. Broad Ford, PA, beeatch.
Also, she may be able to make sauerkraut, but only a Pennsylvanian can make it right. The best pigs come from Pennsylvania. Our politicians even emulate them to win votes.
What do you have? Warm weather. Oooooh.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
GO TO HELL RAMBLER!
Bourbon is the reason why God gave man the knowledge to grow grain, cut trees, and make fire.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Jan 5, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
What do we got?
Better weather, better food, better women, better whiskey, and better culture (I’ll take southern literature for $100, Alex). You got volleyball and arctic tundra making you tough. No thanks.
Besides, I blew out my knee and can’t ski anymore. So why would I ever go to Pennsylvania again? Cheesesteak?
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You assume warm weather is better weather. False.
Who wants to spend Christmas in a place where you can’t take your little cousin on a sled to get the Christmas tree? Weak.
Better food? Yeah, just keep telling yourself that.
Better whiskey? That’s the backwoods of Kentucky, friendo. Kentucky gets cold in the winter.
Better culture? Where was the Declaration of Independence written? Where did William Penn found the only colony that attempted to be a place where white man and red man got along just swell?
Oh, and we have Joe Paterno. Trump card.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, and better weather?
Hurricanes, man. The ultimate reverse trump card.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I'm with Rambler
I’ll take the coldest part of the State College winter over the hottest part of a DC summer any day of the week. And DC isn’t even that far south.
Also: southern grass kind of sucks.
I know about your diabolical plan.
by Kevin HD on Jan 5, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just going by our game...
They don’t have grass in the south. They have trenches.
Field Marshal Haig to line one, please.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
gonna have to disagree
Hurricanes are fun man. You lose power so you have to drink all the beer in your fridge. Watching a tree fall is one of the coolest things i have ever seen in person. I would much rather be in a hurricane than a blizzard any day of the week i can walk around outside in a pair of boardshorts and see all the havoc being wreaked. Two last words… HURRICANE PARTY
Hurricanes cause flooding.
Flooding causes mosquitoes. Mosquitoes cause anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to invading Gettysburg.
Also, not so funny when the TREE FALLS ON YOUR HOUSE.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
How much beer can you drink...
in a bathtub underneath a matress with your Wife and kids? A six pack, tops.
Just keep swimin'...
speaking from personal experience
i have been in hurricanes that caused flooding i have been in hurricanes when we lost 4 trees in my yard due to 100+ mph wind. What did i do but sit in neighbors garage (the wind was behind us so we didnt get wet) and help him finish his kegerator while watching trees fall. Obviously you cant be on the top floor cuz then a tree could mess you up. Im sure yall think im just being ignorant but seriously they arent as bad as you think, they arent all katrina.
Noreasters in NJ are fun too
60 mph NE wind, 25 degrees outside, windchill 0, beach erosion, killer surf
Good stuff
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
what beach are you talkin about?
i didnt know there were beaches in NJ i thought all they had were shores
the shore is the town
the beach is the sand
What is so hard about that?
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
Whatever you say, man...
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Most of this is in jest, but food… really? You want to go up against Cajun food, Tex-Mex, Memphis/Texas/Mississippi/Carolina BBQ (people take their BBQ seriously down here – I personally side with Memphis’ version), soul food, and general Southern cuisine? With what? Sauerkraut and the cheesesteak? That’s just crazy talk.
And the Declaration of Independence was written by a Southerner. Though William Penn was pretty darn cool.
Though it is cold right now. It snowed during Christmas and now its 25 degrees (yeah, I know, I’m not saying it’s uninhabitable). There’s nary a girl in a sundress to be seen right now.
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I have lived in both places, while there is no denying the BBQ and anything you get in LA is awesome…
one word, pierogi
also, Old Forge style pizza and Kundula’s BBQ in Hamlin, PA
Proud to be a PSU Homer
No, it is in Peckville, which is also mostly inhabited by Italians. I like Andy’s
Best known in Old forge is Ravelo’s
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I knew they we're kind of in the same place
My old man used to bring back Andy’s Pizza’s like 20 at a time when he’d visit his monther in Jessup. That cheese is like lava when it’s hot.
Just keep swimin'...
Andy's is awesome, his sister Angie has a place in Dickson City
Jessup and Peckville are almost the same place, two small towns right next to each other. I grew up two towns over from that area.
Old Forge pizzaa is not the same, it is square but has the same kind of liquid cheese
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True story
I was in a bar in Pittburgh, and I mentioned in passing to this guy that my old man was from Jessup, and he put his arm and said;
“I was totally getting ready to beat your ass, but now that I know your Dad is from Jessup you make perfect sense, and you’re a cool guy”
Just keep swimin'...
you still said something additional
and got your ass kicked, didn’t you?
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
It was strange
It had to be some mannerism that I picked up from my old man. I’ve been two Jessup maybe 3 times, and it’s at least 15 years.
But he’s my stepfather, I don’t have and I Italian name or anything, he just thought I was being an asshole.
We would up having a blast.
Just keep swimin'...
lol, was he Italian?
Did your Dad go to Valley View HS? They breed them for football there
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No
He went to Jessup High School, with like 15 other people shortly before they combined it with Valley View.
Trust me, he’d love to tell you all about it.
Just keep swimin'...
Ravelo's rules.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 5, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Old Forge Pizza...
beats any Southern Food. You can’t get decent Pizza south of Wilkes-Barre.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 5, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
South of Wilkes-Barre???
Obviously you have never been to Tacconelli’s
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
not to mention:
Mack & Manco’s in Ocean City
Sam’s and Max in Wildwood
Circle in Avalon
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
I consider those...
East of W-B, regardless of actual geography.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 5, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
dont forget middlesworth
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Jan 5, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
As a footnote
Mack & Manco’s needs to be sub-qualified as the best Shore Pizza. It’s kinds like being the prettiest ugly person from Alvarado, Texas. It all has to be taken in context.
And that Texas feller forgot to add Tex Mex, of which there is no good Tex Mex in the NE. That being said, I’d give left big toe for a Mom-and-Pop Italoian place like in Philly.
Oh hell, now I’m hungry
"Dig In...Hit Hard"
when I lived in Atlanta I would take it back on the plane with me. Two trays, packed in a carry on
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I live outside Philly....
and haven’t had great pizza (unless I’m in NEPA) in almost 15 years.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 5, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I've sorta found that food has about a 100 mile radius
around a food’s “center” where once you get outside of that radius the quality just goes downhill.
Cheesesteaks on a hotdog roll with Salisbury steak and american cheese, anyone?
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 5, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Cheesesteaks in Texas:
Otherwise known as Roast beef sandwiches with Au Jus. and cheese.
"Dig In...Hit Hard"
Me i am a pizza perfect fan in Dallas
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Jan 5, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Love Pizza Perfect....
can’t beat that sauce.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 6, 2010 7:08 AM EST up reply actions
Food thoughts
PA’s got scrapple and shoo-fly pie.
At least NJ’s got some real Italian food. Southern pizza is the worst.
Southern BBQ is to die for.
/walks away, starving…
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
I do agree on pizza
Southern pizza sucks. Dallas, OTOH, has a huge Thai population so we do have some killer Asian food.
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I miss Mother's
God, New Orleans has the best food on earth. Everything is good.
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We also have the most FOB Asian food.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
The Declaration of Independence was written
With advisement with Franklin and other northerner whose name escapes me (hangs head in shame).
And yes, food. Sauerkraut. Shoofly pie. Snickerdoodles. Apple sausage. Scrapple. Souse. 15 other things the Germans make from pig. And that’s just the stuff in the 717.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Woopie Pies.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
Yuengling
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
by Roland86 on Jan 5, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I see your Yuengling...
… and raise you a Shiner. And an Abita Turbodog.
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I'll see your...
Shiner and Abita and raise you Dog Fish Head, Troegs, and Victory.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 5, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
now I am hugely offended
your women are not better than me, KMBlue, AmandaKT or any of my real life friends
Wifey lives in Texas so she is better anyway, a northern girl in the south
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by letsgopsu on Jan 5, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So why is the Southern Adult Population Growing
While the Northern Adult Poulation is falling?
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Because we ran out of coal.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and steel too.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Where is there any coal left in this state?
All we have is gob piles. Which…can…be reclaimed for power!
Hear that, southerners? Even the by-product of our mining can be used for energy. WE CAN’T BE BEATEN.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
centralia for the win
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Jan 5, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
So much coal left that geologists say it will BURN FOR ANOTHER THOUSAND YEARS
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I've lived in south Louisiana for nearly twenty years and:
The food is overrated — You can eat just as well in Buffalo as Baton Rouge
The weather is atrocious — for eight months of the year it is so sweltering that you have to chew the air in order to breathe it. Remember, Hell is hot too.
The culture is largely corrupt. Culture amounts to more than pop culture (i.e., literature, music, etc.). Isn’t Southern culture the culture that endorsed slavery and practiced Jim Crow segregation?
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
Oh, this thread is going to the dumps
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Southern culture the culture that endorsed slavery and practiced Jim Crow segregation
Can we try and keep this light? Football, Beer, Chicks, and Food.
Of course you are right about one thing, the greatest food ever invented by man kind, the Buffalo (northern) Chicken Wing.
Just keep swimin'...
Also:
PA steel mills > whatever the hell they have in the south. Oil refinerys? Edwin Drake, beeatches.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
We have a little oil
Or so I’ve heard.
And I’m going to pass over the slavery comment, which we can all agree is a horrible stain on our nation’s history. Back to mock fighting about women and food…. and oil!
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From what I've heard...
The Gulf of Mexico has oil and they just pump it through Louisiana giving you the finger on their way out of the state.
Just keep swimin'...
Yes, pretty much.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Hell, we still have natural gas here.
Suck it, south.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
For every one of the Gas plays in North
We’ve got three down here. That’s about the current barter exchange rate: 3 for 1. NE has Marcellus Shale, South has Barnett Shale, Haynesville Shale and Woodford Shale.
Let’s not get started on oil, the conversation would be too brief.
Hey, at least the Northern cities have more crack houses!
"Dig In...Hit Hard"
You stole the technology from us.
Drake, etc. The south is nothing without northern brains. Just won’t admit it.
And crack houses? Baltimore isn’t in the north.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
No, but.....
…..Kensington and Allegheny are in the North (Philly, to be exact).
"Dig In...Hit Hard"
I see your Philadelphia
And raise you crack dealers in the abandoned steel mills and areas around Legion Field.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 6, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
K&A isn't the crack area....
It’s Kensington and Somerset
/NO, I’m not a Kenzo
//I used to work around there
///Oh crap, there’s a needle on the ground!
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
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the lovely smell of paper mills.
Has anyone ever gotten of a plane in Savannah? If the wind is right it smacks you in the face.
But Savannah is awesome, one of the prettiest places I have ever been
Proud to be a PSU Homer
ah, remember
Tyrone was a paper mill town – right about the wind – some days the smell would make it all the way to Park Forest.
Awww Park Forest...
Did you live on _____shire Drive? What am I askin’, of course you did.
Just keep swimin'...
Sorry, I suppose that hearing about the superiority of "Southern Culture"
365 days a year gets on my nerves a bit.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
Texans are not southerners
they are Texans
it’s like a whole nother coutry down there
Proud to be a PSU Homer
The southern girls
With the way they talk, they knock me out when I’m down there. But the northern girls, the way they kiss, they keep us warm at night.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
Everyone thinks northern girls are awful.
Know why? Because we don’t brag about them because we’re not envious because we didn’t lose the war.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Not when she's saying
I need a new dress, why don’t we have a housekeeper, This 2006 Mercedes is embarassing, work?….
Just keep swimin'...
by jesse. on Jan 5, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
/beach boys'd
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
Surprised no one brought this up:
The midwest farmer’s daughter really makes you feel alright
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
whatever....
I wish they all could be California girls…
yeah… sorry… I am almost all alone out here but have to defend my Cali ladies out here
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Jan 6, 2010 5:06 AM EST up reply actions
Dude I suck at shoveling snow
A Native Son of the 717, who’s lived in group houses and apts for the past twenty years, I went out two weeks ago at the first house I’ve ever owned, and jacked the shite outta my back. Cleared my sidewalk, uncovered my new minivan (/dork’d), and even good-deeded my neighbor’s walk, only to find out the next day he’s blind. Been hobbling for two and a half weeks now. I’m pathetic. And embarrassed. And I wish my hood had some southern girls out there in sundresses with me giving it a try.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
Dude
Just get a snow blower. As long as you clear the driveway of 10 inches yourself, I don’t care about the method.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Or better yet, go all 717 Amish redneck and attach a plow to your '87 F-150
Hell yeah. And maybe the mower too.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Do the Amish plow snow with Horse Drawn Plows?
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
how bout it
I’m dorkily psyched about it tho. Especially the cargo space. Don’t have to borrow my brother’s fourrunner no mo. Day after we bought it, we walked out of the baby store, rollin two new cribs, two new car seats and a double stroller. I remote-control-opened the rear door, and holy shite, they all fit without even removing any seats.
I’m coming out right here and now: my name is jtothep and I love minivans. Whew! Feels good. I hope that inspires Jordan Shipley to do the same Thursday night.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
+1
I laughed out loud!!
Proud owner of a Taurus wagon and a Chevy Astro.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
I'd rather push an Aerostar than drive an Astro.
/rednecked, south central PA style!
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
+1
Just bought a new Sienna last week. Chick magnet.
I dated a guy who had a company car that was a Windstar. He was always so embarrased about it and I could never figure out why. Not a magnet but not a repellant either
Proud to be a PSU Homer
The Aerostar
In the eighties had bench seats that folded down into a long bed.
Oh. Yeah.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
Didn't need no dashboard lights to see paradise
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
Nice!
And I’ll bet you and Mrs. Gerg used it to go for a ‘hike’ last anniversary, didn’t you? ;)
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
I went with the Odyssey
Virtually identical, tho, right? That rear well has me downright salivating for tailgating; it’s just begging for a cooler!
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
The best part of tailgating with a van
is being able to tailgate all day, fold down the seats and sleep right there in the lot, and then wake up the next morning and roll downtown for some waffles.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Jtothep
You’ve got 2 shovelers on the way to help you out.
Also, some advice: shoveling goes much better if you put a few beers in the snow and stop and drink a nice cold one every once in a while. Leinenkugel’s Fireside Nut Brown Ale is recommended.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
LOL Call me old fashioned. Girls do not shovel LOL
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Jan 5, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
lived in Alaska 5 years...
wife couldn’t identify the snow shovel if her life depended on it
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Jan 6, 2010 5:08 AM EST up reply actions
I am not being ciritcal but am being a gentleman
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Jan 6, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
No stupidity
involved…you take the frozen hose and beat the ice and snow off of the car…and then your girl can beat you with the same…that’ll warm you up, eh?!!
I love it
One little reply to a comment about the southern belles and the whole thread goes all civil war on each other
Yeah...
… don’t be talkin’ bad about our womens. Duel at 30 paces!
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Then how bout I shoot you in the back at 10 paces?
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by Poseur on Jan 5, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Now that's a rec.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
FTW
And….rec’d.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 6, 2010 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
Know what the best part of this post is?
It’s planting the seeds for future HATE HATE HATE! And that in itself is worth it.
You've got to be kiding me
“And with a two point loss to a team not known for toughness or bowl wins, it must have been especially hard to swallow.”
With the 9th best defense in 2009 NCAA and 27 bowl game wins/2 ties out of 42 appearances, (only 1 loss in the past 5 bowl appearances) PSU is tough and has a great winning record.
Ummmm...
I don’t think you got the joke or clicked on the links.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Hey look! A tangent on BSD!
There’s something we’ve never seen before.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
This thread just proves my theory- it’s best for CFB if the Big Ten adds another team and renames itself “The Union”
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Jan 5, 2010 12:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We will play for Sherman's Sword the first Saturday of December
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
Sherman...
… first president of LSU. No, really. How awesome is that? Our first president burned down Georgia and South Carolina. Maybe that’s why they don’t like us.
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by Poseur on Jan 5, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And we are talking literally here.
Poor bastards in Camden.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Poor, poor Horatio Gates.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 5, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
What's the story behind that "who dat?' thing?
"dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok" - bored Boise State Cowbell Girl (who's apparently blind)
Your mom
I think she was the story ‘behind’ it.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
okay
I guess that makes sense
"dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok, dok" - bored Boise State Cowbell Girl (who's apparently blind)
by Mr. Rosewater on Jan 5, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think that was from when Les was supposed to go to Michigan, but didn’t. Also there’s good looking women in it, so that doesn’t hurt.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Also
It’s probably a play on the Saints chant:
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
ah
now it makes sense
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by Mr. Rosewater on Jan 5, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I know why they made the sign
I just don’t know what’s with the “who dat?” part of it.
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by Mr. Rosewater on Jan 5, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Gosh dang
this thread made me laugh. After the Eagles beat down in Boss Hogg Bowl this last Sunday, this was most relieving.
"Dig In...Hit Hard"
Eh...
You give me a 250 mile circle around the city of Pittsburgh, you can take all of Texas, and let’s talk football. You guys are Friday Night Lights and a shit ton of hype. The championships are all up here.
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Oh, no you didn't
Texas HS football is overhyped? There’s enough talent to stock multiple FBS programs, including one in the title game and still have enough talent left over to keep the Oklahoma programs in business. LSU then comes in and poaches the best kids out of Houston because, well, Louisiana’s got some pretty good talent in its own right.
Though I am a bit bitter the high school my fiancee works at lost in the playoffs. I thought they were winning state.
Fake Pundit. Real Fan.
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Oh yes I did
Texas is a region, not a state. It’s like comparing it to the Northeast. No shit they have a lot of good players there.
What I said was Texas was Friday Night Lights and a shit ton of hype. Obviously the the high school football is good. But did you see Friday Night Lights, you we’re supposed to feel sorry for those people, not envy them. That movie was sad.
It’s the same thing here in Pittsburgh, except it’s a area that’s maybe, maybe, the size of a rich persons ranch in Texas which has produced six Super Bowl titles, more than few hall of famers, and depending on who you ask between 5-9 college football national titles. And that’s just Allegheny fu@#ing county. If you take an area the size of Texas and put Pittsburgh in the middle of it, the football is better, and it’s not even arguable.
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wait, for realz?
can we just ship Pittsburgh out to Texas? Pretty please?
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 6, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Think of it this way
Texas is 268,600 square miles.
Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey and Maryland combined, are only 263,400.
Does Texas have better football than Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey and Maryland combined? Of course not. To wit;
Texas has; Cowboys, Oilers/Texans. UT, aTm, and a host of other college sqauds that don’t amount to shit when compare to;
The Northeast which has, inter alia, the Steelers, Eagles, Giants, Jets, Ravens, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, Pitt, Maryland and many others.
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well, I'm not going to look it up
but I imagine that the population of all those states is likely higher than that of Texas, and that’s what really matters
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 6, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'd assume your right about that.
So I did look it up. The population of Texas is 24,873,773. The population of Pennsylvania & Ohio combined is 23,781,054.
We cram more football into a much smaller area.
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What?
Sick of seeing Crosby dominate?
Hockey season again, baby.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 6, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Ohhh
Have you seen them play recently? It hasn’t been pretty. They usually wait until after the Super Bowl to turn it on though. Somehow, they are actually in a better position than they were this time last year though. I think. I don’t crap about hockey, other to scream kill for three 20 minute periods.
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I wouldn't know. They're never on TV
But they beat Philly twice so it can’t be all bad.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 6, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
pens beat the flyers 3 times so far this season
with a fourth coming tonight
Meh
me thinks you belittle Texas a little too much. You could take an area the size of Pittsburgh, put it in the middle of Texas….and it would be the fourth best “Area” in Texas. And Tied for that as well. Dalls/FW area of Texas is the best, by far, followed by Houston, followed by the permian Area, then Austin. I would guess Pittsburgh would classify somewhere above Austin, maybe on par with the Permian area (Midland/Odessa).
Here’s a listing of the Southlake Carroll QB’s over the last few years, and this is just one school in DFW: Chase Daniel, wins HS Championship, QB’s Missouri and was drafted to the NFL. Greg McElroy, wins HS Championship, is currently QBing 2009 National Champion, Alabama. Has never lost a HS or college game he started. Riley Dodge, current starting QB for University of North Texas, Kyle Padron, freshmen starting QB of SMU who smoked Nevada in the bowl game. And this is just 5 years and one school. You will waste your breath arguing that Pittsburgh area has better football talent than any one section of Texas, let alone would be dominant down here.
"Dig In...Hit Hard"
And before you blow a gasket
I grew up in Philly, played HS football there, attended Penn State for my undergrad before moving down here to Texas. So I’m not speaking from a position of dis-information. I honestly feel there is not an area of the NE that compares to Texas in football. Now, if you want to talk HS basketball, the NE is by far an away the best section of the country, by a mile. But by my estimates, possibly only Florida and California can compete with the sheer number and quality of athletes in any “section” of Texas (DFW/Houston/Permian).
"Dig In...Hit Hard"
Where is the are of Texas that has...
Six Super Bowls, five national championships, and produced Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas, Jim Kelly?
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250 miles?
Hello, Terrelle Pryor.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 6, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think it is slightly unfair to compare pro teams as a "regional" thing
since it isn’t like the boys on the Steelers are “homegrown”.
This would kinda be akin to saying NYC is the best place for baseball because of the Yankees, and that obviously isn’t true.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 6, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Pro Teams as a Regional Thing
I actually think that’s bullshit. The Steelers are goal, the gold standard, and soul of this town, for right or wrong. Despite the fact that the players here aren’t necessarily “homegrown”, that doesn’t mean that the Steelers, or the Eagles or Cowboys for that matter aren’t not indicitive of their regions. Do the high school kids in western Pennsylvania play Steeler football, or do the Steelers play western Pennsylvania football? It’s chicken or egg.
Hell, it says something that New York chooses to support the Yankees the way they do which enables them to be who they are. That’s similar to both the Steelers and the Cowboys. Further, why isn’t the best place for baseball the best place baseball is played?
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I guess what I'm trying to get at
is that the pro teams are such a small part of the “population” of actual sports players. Also, this whole sub-thread, to me, seemed to be about highschool level football. I don’t think people think Texas is obsessed with football because they have the Cowboys and Oilers, I think it is because their high schools are crazy about football, and the general assumption is that there are a greater number of crazy football schools down there than up north.
If we’re going to look at the baseball side of the argument, New York has the best pro team because they have the most $ and buy the players. But if we’re going to look at where the good high school and college talent is, it is going to be down south, in areas, interestingly that don’t traditionally have the great pro baseball teams.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
As well as
Joe Namath, George Blanda, Mike Ditka, Tony Dorsett, Jason Taylor, Ty Law, LaVar Arrington.
Oh, and uh, the Big33 game. Can’t touch it son.
The Big 33 Football Classic is an all-star American football game featuring the top high school football players in Pennsylvania. Played since 1957, the game is often described as the “Super Bowl of High School Football.” The last 14 contests have pitted players from Pennsylvania against players from Ohio, but opponents in the past have also included players from Maryland and Texas. Recent games have been held at Hersheypark Stadium in Hershey, Pennsylvania.
John Cappelletti, Kerry Collins, Orlando Pace, Marvin Harrison, Ricky Watters, Larry Johnson, Ben Roethlisberger, Bob Sanders, Darrelle Revis, Mike Munchack, most of the QB’s mentioned above and on and on and on
At least 1 alumn from the game in every superbowl.
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"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
I'm assuming that was copied
straight out of the Big 33 marketing guide? That’s persuasive.
My point wasn’t to go into a history of football in any given area, my point was that HS football is on another level here in Texas. Its not overhyped, as was said, rather its really quite a spectacle to behold. And having lived in both places (Philly and Texas) for over 15 years each, I can easily reach this conclusion. My High School in Philly was lucky to get 700 fans at a football game, Southlake Carroll here rgularly sells out 8,000-10,000 per game.
I’ll end the discussion now, sorry for bringing it up.
"Dig In...Hit Hard"
Don't be sorry. And close, the quote is actually from wikipedia.
Its a fun discussion. Every area of the country takes pride in certain things. Obviously Texas has great football they stock about 15 D1 programs. Our best corner and future kicker are from TX, so obviously the reach is wide.
It is important however to make the distinction between western PA(Pittsburgh) and eastern PA(Philly) when it comes to HS football especially. PA may not have the talent or fever for HS football on the whole state level like TX, but western PA has just about the best bang for your buck that you could ask for. College talent wise and fandom wise.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth."
I guess it depends how much "spectacle" you need from your High School Football
LIke I said before, Friday Night Lights was a sad movie about people who live their entire lives between the ages of 14 and 18, then spend the rest of their lives reliving it.
10,000 kids at a high school football game is over hyped, I don’t care how kid good the damn kids are.
My point holds, Your state is the size of Afganistan, country it has one of the largest popluation bases in the country. If you actually compare Texas football, to comparably sized population bases, or regional sizes, other than an arguably unhealthy obsession with high school football, it’s not a whole lot better than anybody else. Sorry.
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If you actually compare Texas football, to comparably sized population bases, or regional sizes, other than an arguably unhealthy obsession with high school football, it’s not a whole lot better than anybody else. Sorry.
Apology accepted. And your hypothesis above is soundly rejected as a factual statement. It’s your opinion, granted, but any objective measure would prove counter to your opinion: Texas Population centers are better by any per-capita metrics than other regions of the US. Pittsburgh included.
"Dig In...Hit Hard"
hmm, Philly itself isn't really know for the football (not sure about Pittsburgh)
it is the teams in the suburbs and further out
I know the Council Rock/Central Bucks East/West, etc schools in the Philly area would also routinely pack 1000’s to games (though I don’t have attendance numbers). From what I hear, out near Pittsburgh it is even crazier.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
North Penn HS beats all of these teams
Literally. NP destroyed all 3 this season (closest win was 27 points). Also, Coach Beck will be the 2010 Big 33 game head coach. Woo wooo North Penn!
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
I wasn't trying to be all inclusive
I was just naming teams that were big back when I was in HS 12 – 16 years ago. I know West won a few state championships while I was at East.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 8, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't know you were from the area
Graduated from NP in 87 myself.
Question: How many times did you have to hear – West is best, East is least??
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