What We've Learned, Other Than Complaining About Cupcakes Will Have To Wait Until 2011
by KevinHD on Jan 7, 2010 12:00 PM EST
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Is the Big Ten back baby woo wooo yeah?!
I always hated the conference bashing, and so I have no drive to partake in the chest pounding.
But this post-season was impressive. Oregon was beat by a tougher team that could control the clock. Georgia Tech looked like little school children on offense fighting against Iowa's defensive line. LSU lost a slug-fest you don't normally have to play in the south (while probably much worse, there are comparisons between playing in that pig pasture in Florida and on a snowy, icy field in Pennsylvania).
All three of the top Big Ten teams were Vegas dogs, and all three won in games where the score didn't really tell the story: Ohio State outgained Oregon by 159 yards, Penn State outgained LSU by close to 100, Wisconsin picked up 181 more than Miami, and Iowa held GT to 155 total yards and put up over 400.
They were routes, really, and the three losses that went along with themweren't anything to be embarrassed about. I'm not going to start the "Big Ten Rulez" chants in my section anytime soon, but I think we can put to rest the idea that an undefeated Big Ten team isn't as or more deserving of an MNC bid than any unbeaten in the country.
Has Terelle Pryor really reached his potential?
It's hard to say for sure, but I do think that for the second straight year his ability as a quarterback is going to be insanely and outrageously overstated.
The Purdue debacle, in which Tressel let Pryor actually play quarterback, was a turning point in the season. Pryor, in a lot of ways, single-handedly lost that game, and it was the last time Tressel let him have that much control over a game.
In the non-cupcakes weeks after that loss, Pryor threw exactly 17 passes in each game. Not exactly carrying the team. Keep in mind those game go through the end of the regular season. The conclusion there is that he's a good athlete (good enough to keep his job) but not one you trust as a throwing quarterback because of a weak passing game.
So naturally the media is going to ignore all of that and pretend he played all season like he did against Oregon in the bowl game: 23 for 37, 266 yards, 2/1 plus a 3.9 average on the ground an a couple nasty stiff-arms to boot.
So do this: either take the average of how he performed during the second half of the season and use that as your starting point, or declare him "arrived" and instantly leading the Heisman race. I'm doing the former, the media will most certainly to the latter.
Where are we sitting pre-season?
We have months, months that will feel like lifetimes, to figure this out, but I'm guessing the final 2009 poll will look something like this:
1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. Florida
4. Boise State
5. Ohio State
6. Iowa
7. Penn State
8. Virginia Tech
9. Brigham Young
10. TCU
I know nothing about the mid-majors, but you can bet BSU will be the darlin' until something changes. Bama and Texas will both be strong, even with some turnover. Florida is a big question mark because of Tebow leaving, but it's not like Florida hasn't been recruiting as well as anyone in the country.
Of the three Big Ten teams in there, Penn State takes the biggest step back in terms of loss of starters, so expect some punishment for that. Ohio State and Iowa both look strong and will be ranked accordingly. If you made me guess, in no particular order, I'd say the AP puts Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, Iowa and Florida all in the top 5 to start 2010.
So the next question is:
And the answer is most certainly "Is that even a question?" That's anywhere from possibly to probably three games, all on the road, against top five teams. If it hold up (always a very big if, mind you) it would not only be the toughest road schedule in 2010, but maybe the toughest road schedule in, well, a very long time. Oh how the cupcake complaints will change.
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So
Which game is the most winnable of the three?
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
OSU.
I think Alabama will blow us out. Iowa game will go the same as it did this year, but not as close. I think we’ll be a better team by November or whenever the game is.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
What do you mean blowout?
I anticipate something similar to VT this year – like 24-10. not a thrashing, per se, but a thorough beating.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I think that will be one of those games that is close on the scoreboard
but PSU was never really in. For some reason, the 2004 Wisconsin game comes to mind, although I really hope there is no point in the upcoming game where there is a Ganter at QB.
This is correct:
Saban’s teams rarely blow people out. He prefers to beat you soundly while allowing you to escape with the illusion that your dignity remains intact.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
i will eb the disenter. Why cant we beat them Stranger things have happened
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Jan 7, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
We can beat them,
the only thing I believe will not happen is our getting blown out.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
Iowa
I just think that eventually, we’re going to get a revenge game in on Iowa. I personally believe we’ll beat Iowa next year and lose the OSU and ’Bama games.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
The only possible weakness (Tarpinian and Hunter are solid LBs) on Iowa’s team next year is their interior offensive line, while one of our weaknesses will be…interior defensive line.
I think Iowa loses one game next year tops and I’m betting on it being a team like ISU or NW.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
and I was hoping for at least 3 months
w/o you constantly running your mouth about how great Iowa is
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
You look at that depth chart and tell me Iowa will be worse than they are this year.
Or you can bash me for liking Iowa. Your choice.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not bashing you for liking Iowa
but it is a little sickening to read you constantly giving them [insert inappropriate word or phrase here] every day
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
I choose bashing you for liking Iowa
I respect Iowa, and think they’re going to be good next year, but you take it to a whole new level, Iowacity Instigator.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
None of my posts in this thread have been over-the-top
In the past have I done so? Oh hell yeah. But not today.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
wait, you have to be over the top for us to want to bash you?
what internet rules are you playing by?
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah? You go to grad school at Sparty.
Suck it.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think you mean 'Suck it, Hitler'
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
Which is worse?
Being a bandwagon Iowa fan or GOING TO SCHOOL THERE?
Sick.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I would honestly pick
geing an over the top bandwagon fan who won’t shut up about the team as being worse
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
You know, if you're going to accuse me of something you could back it up.
Over the last few weeks, I haven’t been “constantly” bragging about Iowa as you accuse.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
hit control F
then type “Iowa” on this post alone – see how many times you talked about them just in this one post
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
So what?
Seriously, you’re being ridiculous. If I start talking about Michigan State’s talent-filled roster on basketball next season in a thread about Big Ten basketball, does that make me an MSU homer too?
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
If you think
you merely talked about their talent filled roster on a thread about Big Ten Football Then you sir are the one being ridiculous
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
You accused me of "constantly" being an Iowa homer.
I haven’t been on this particular thread and I’ve made an attempt to be considerably less homer-ish lately.
So if I were you I would stop complaining and making baseless accusations.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
how are these accusations "baseless"
go back 4 or 5 months and see how many Iowa comments were made or shoudl I refresh your memory with the whole “Bad Rambler” identity.
I come to this site to read about Penn State not some clown going off on Iowa. And maybe you haven’t been as bad lately as you have in the past and it could be the quit smoking resolution that is making me a dick – if so I apologize
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
Bad Rambler was a self-deprecating joke. I thought we *liked* self-deprecating humor around here?
Good luck with the smoking thing.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
quitters never win my friend
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Jan 7, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
And besides, I wasn't the only one talking about Iowa, was I?
We’re allowed to talk about Big Ten opponents, aren’t we?
You seem to think me holding the opinion that Iowa is going to be good this year and tough to beat as being a homer. It’s not homerism. It’s “facts”.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Iowa
I actually have no problem with Iowa. As far as Big Ten schools go, i would rank Iowa as my second favorite. My wife did her grad work there and the campus and people were great. they have excellent facilities and it is a nice place to be (except the weather is crazy…very hot summers…very cold winters).
Iowa will have a strong team next year. Getting “revenege” on Iowa has become the new “we will beat Michigan this year!” Iowa always plays us tough. Ferentz could write a book about how to beat Penn State.
Big Ten Titles for everyone.
BTW Congratulations
Great thread. Great series of replies. I’m looking forward to the game this year, but for the moment, THANKS FOR BEATING LSU!
Relax. Enjoy your bowl victory for a while. :)
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hey! We love Reading Rambler over on BHGP
And guys – seriously – if Joe Pa owned us like we appear to be owning you – for the moment – I would be over here giving you props because Iowa and PSU have the best fans in the Big 10.1 by far in terms of conducting ourselves in a classy manner (with a few asshats scattered here and there, but all fanbases have those).
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I shuddered...
…when the announcers at the Orange Bowl kept commenting how Adrian Clayborn was coming back.
On the other hand, I really like watching that kid play ball.
FWIW, the Fox people asked him if the performance would cause him to reconsider.
He said no.
But, he could probably make money now. More than Derrick “I let a guy with a bad leg make me look like a wave of molasses” Morgan.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Please not NW
Please. I’d rather lose to Indiana.
And I don’t see that Arizona game as a gimme either.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 7, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I see the Arizona game as going like the 09 Iowa-PSU game.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Millz...
I’ll be shocked if it isn’t a one score game. Another defensive game that the media will bash us for.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Homerish...
that I am; but I’m not calling the season that way. Not saying we’re going to win-out…but no forcasted blow-outs either…
I said it before, the O-line should be @ par or better than this past year. And I believe Newsome will be fine – especially if the coaching gives him the “green light” in the read-options.
Front 7 projection: Ogbu and Devon Still @ DT…Ripper and Lathan @ the ends. “But Odrick was double-teamed last year…” yeah…and who’s to say that between now and late Aug a VERY motivated Ogbu and Still don’t bring the same?
Oh, and there’s the starting ends; yeah, another year of Crawford getting mentored on his jump off the ball and polishing on “when” to stay-home…yeah, HE’S not going to draw double teams – at all…
Latham and Jordan Hill: wow; big fast and athletic…yeah – they will be “overlooked” by opposing D coords.
I don’t think Colasanti wins a starting slot @ LB. Stupar, Mauti and then either a Bani/Yanchik combo next.
Not going to get into the secondary here; we just might have the best + athletic crop since Zemitis and his crew.
Win out…no; blow-outs…nah…
This D-line could be “silly”…we will see…
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Jan 7, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Depth Chartery Wall of Text
Nice work! Good drops on Ogbu, Still & Hill, who I think is a huge diamond in the young. Disagree with any characterization of this interior Dline as a weakness. Depth to them provided by Massarro & (maybe) Ware. (I hope we all (ALL!) get away from the nonsensical focus on the departed in offseason speculation. The MSM habit of ‘oh, they need to replace____’ followed by recitation of ______’s last season or career acollades) Latham didn’t see much PT this year behind Lattimore, who I thought drastically improved toward the end of the season—seemed to start to get what Odrick was giving him. Instead, it was Sean Stanley getting more reps. I can’t read enough about that kid’s motor. They may run him some at Jerome’s stand up spot.
LBU:
We only just recently learned that Stupar also played hurt most of the year; agree with you he’ll resume terrorizing at Will. Agree Mauti at at Sam. And at Stache’s Mike spot? I’m with you on Colasanti, not sure he ‘has it.’ Bani’s pretty small, but more importantly, has a PSU career full of missed assignments and out-of-position gaffes. And Yancich they’ve always run at outside, haven’t they? He’s worn a headset on the sidelines, tho, so maybe Scrap & Vandy trust him mentally if he’s got enough physical gifts? My darkhorse is Zordich, whose only blemish is the early drinking offense. Other than that, all I read is how much he’s put into all the places the coaches have moved him. Last was he would be challenging Suhey for FB snaps, but I think he gets moved back over to LB, especially in a backfield with Royster & Green returning, Dukes coming up and Zwinak coming in.
Secondary:
I’ll get into it for you. Starting with agreement: easily the best returning crew since Z, Lowry, Harrell returned. Lynn had a fine season (save a big blown bite resulting in an armpunt TD), Sukay got better each week, and Astorino played hurt all year too. But the big nice surprise is tiny Stephon Morris, who exploded onto the scene. Only person in 5 years successful at keeping Kennollege’s mouth shut. (cliche warning) Dude just makes plays. Real hard worker, too, even if his dad evokes some creepy memories of marv marinovich. Real question is where can Hodges see the field?
/inhale
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
Agree, agree, agree
I’m not saying that the LBs will rival the sickest LB core ever (Poz/Connor/Lee), but year after year, we’ve been fretting the LB situation only to have someone like Bowman, or Hull this year step up, WE’LL BE FINE!
D-line is going to be just fine as well. Odrick will be a loss, but as mentioned, he was getting double teamed in every game, so that obvious threat is lost and we saw a lot of younger d-linemen this year surprise O-lines all season, I think it will be a really great crew. I still miss the Project Mayhem pass rush threat, but I think our ends, who are still young, and now have a year of experience on their belt, will do just fine.
And in a strange twist of fate, the secondary is the crew I am most confident about (who would have thunk it?)
IU - Road Game
Come on, it’s a neutral site game. Though I agree with the premise of the tweet.
Forgot about that
and ‘neutral’ is a stretch considering who’s going to be at that game. (Me, by the way. Me will be there.)
I know about your diabolical plan.
Iowa in the top 5. Ugh. Firstly, their o-line is a quesiton mark. Secondly, I hope they don't lose to Iowa State again. That's a problem Ferentz has that Fry never had.
Regarding Pryor: what I noticed about his 23 completed passes was that none of them required him sitting in the pocket and reading the defense. His last touchdown pass was an excellent throw and he deserves credit, but that was the only such pass I recall. Mostly, it was short stuff, dumpoffs, stupid throws across his body, and two of the oh so rare completed arm punts. Pryor won the game with his legs.
Oregon’s defense just isn’t very good. Pryor was thus able to get away with many undisciplined plays. But – and this is still a huge weakness of Pryor – when they pressured Pryor on passing downs, Ohio State failed. He still has the “Morelli run around in circles and get sacked” deal.
Joe knows bowl games.
Oh, and he still nearly cost them the game with the arm punt to Ballard in the 4th
Stupid, stupid, stupid throw
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t disagree about Pryor, at all, but Ohio State didn’t get lucky at all, and their defense is going to be solid again next year. if they keep Pryor from getting to actually throw down field too much they’ll be tough next year.
And really the lesson this season, for me anyway, is that there aren’t really that many “good” teams. Everyone, even most of or all of the top 10, has major flaws. Oregon’s defense sucks, iowa gives up too many STANZIBALLS, GT can’t beat a decent front 7, Texas can be taken with good defensive line play, Penn State’s oline falls to the same thing, on and on. You don’t have to be special to be a top 10 team, you just have to have less flaws than Pitt.
I know about your diabolical plan.
Also: I don’t think the AP writers will pay any attention to losses on the oline. They didn’t for us this year. “OMG QB is returning and that kid with the cute little dog who owns other team’s quarterbacks top five.” That’s about how it will go IMO.
I know about your diabolical plan.
In both cases
I believe the opposing teams game planed for stopping the run, and so the pass came easier for both Iowa and Ohio State. Never mind that they could still have ran just fine, the pass was the counter punch to GT’s and Oregon’s game plans.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
woops, that was supposed to be a reply to RR's comment below
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
They won't
but you guys did. The folks at The Rivalry did. I don’t put a lot of stock in the ESPN talking heads and such, but I do trust those of you who follow their team fanatically and have enough sense to explain it to people like me.
Thanks, and you’re right about the top 10. That’s why there is always at least one team that starts there that ends up nowhere near it.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 7, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
No disrespect to them after the fact
but LSU was that team this year that had no business being anywhere near the top ten, yet kept jumping back in every other week, and the fact that they jumped us in the final BCS poll was complete BS. We got the last laugh I guess.
And I still feel it was silly of Tressel to not run the ball more.
Coming in to the game, everyone said Oregon was small but quick up front. Turns out that, uh, no, they’re just small. Ohio State had a huge advantage and I don’t think they pressed it. Iowa did the same thing against GT. I don’t get it.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of "just small"
Georgia Tech really did look like a bunch of schoolchildren compared to Iowa. It was almost comical.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
It was almost comical.
I was laughing the whole time at the bar. I won SEVERAL bets thanks to Iowa – I’ll be eating free lunch all next week, and I have a nice night of debauchery paid for in the cash of the foolish.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
And we Hawk fans are glad we provided entertainment AND free lunch :)
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Derrick Morgan cost himself like three rounds in the draft.
Stanzi blew by him on the edge. Stanzi. With the bad leg and all.
Poor Morgan.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
But he's
ALL-AMERICAN Derrick Morgan. Just ask the sportscasters.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
The announcers made every good Iowa play sound like it was an upset.
Oh my God, Clayborn is so good. How did they ever get players like that in the Weak 10??
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
The announcers acted like 90% of GT were All Americans.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
You misheard them.
They would mention one GT player and then be like “He once roomed with All-American Derrick Morgan.”
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
We need Lavar to ask...
“Who’s this Derrick Morgan you speak of, never heard of him.”
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Have you guys posted the Stanzi You Tube here?
With the off the wall response to the ESPN guy?
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
got the link?.. .any ESPN punking I get a kick out of.
by RudyWasOffsides on Jan 7, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9B7V_sKc8
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
It took a lot of restraint for Stanzi to not say "WTF are you talking about, man?"
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Also the final shot of the players LMAO
Is pretty good. Its like, simply ask Ricky…
“How does it feel to win a big game like this, how do you think Iowa and the rest of the Midwest will view this game?”
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
clearly
that was not the question to ask stanzi at that point… he had no clue what to make of the question. the question made complete sense to me (because so often we hear how Iowa represents an entire way of life with their blue collar heritage), but asking stanzi that question is like asking a boxer to explain the Cuban Missile Crisis after getting the snot knocked out of him for 9 rounds.
For the glory
wow, just wow. Fox has no business in college football.
by RudyWasOffsides on Jan 7, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
nice
/bellanca’d
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
Here's what I love about SBN:
I can’t tell who you’re replying to.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
Love the ‘up’ button.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
Agreed
Those 51 rush plays against Oregon was way too small.
/sarcasm
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by Jeff at the BBC on Jan 7, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry.
Just the impression I had during the game. Never saw the stats.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
i think Iowa is going to be frightening next year. too many beasts returning
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Jan 7, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
If they can replace STANZIBALLS, they will be even nastier
otherwise it will be the same old Iowa story from this year: offense nearly blows it and requires the defense to bail them out. No offense to Iowa, who was a great team this year, but Stanzi was painful to watch at times, had that D not been there, things would have been downright ugly.
Stanzi's a junior.
"We've gotta execute! We've gotta have fun out there!" - Ed DeChellis
by ReadingRambler on Jan 8, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Really? WOOOOO!!!
We might still have a chance at revenge next year!
by dawsonPSU10 on Jan 13, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
2009 standings...can a one loss Cincy team really fall all the way out of the top 10?
Big Ten Titles for everyone.
Yes.
People are retrospectively unimpressed with Cinci. Gave up a ton of points to Illinois, had to go down to the wire to beat UConn, needed a miraculous win to beat a so-so Pitt team, no real good OOC wins.
And that was before Florida happened.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
That game was summed up by Jimmy Johnson
at halftime when he said that Cincinatti could not overcome the talent disparity.
I wouldn't say it quite that harshly...
I imagine Pitt, WVU, and Cincy will all be in the 16-10 range when the final polls come out. Their win over Pitt was hardly miraculous and a top 20 team should never be considered “so-so.”
I stand by so-so.
Pitt really doesn’t have any high-quality wins, as far as I can tell.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know that they'll fall ALL the way out of the top 10
but I think every BIX team will be ranked ahead of them.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
shit.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Now that looks like a response, not a comment on my typing skills...
This is not going well.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Relax.
Incoherency is vastly underated.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 7, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
well, 3 of the mid-major conferences ARE composed of 9 teams...
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
I was not aware of that.
Which would be the Big 9 then?
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Well the Sun Belt always wins the
“wait, you guys are a FBS conference?” award every year. I can at least usually name a respectable team from the other conferences.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Losing their coach, too?
Yes. Yes they can.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Jan 7, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
not for the final poll of this year
preseason next year? sure
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
That would indeed be my bad.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Jan 7, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
No way
I don’t think Penn State jumps 1 loss Cincy and TCU. Also VT blew out the Vols in the Chick-Fil-A bowl and were already ranked ahead of us. We won our bowl game by 2 points so no way we jump them in the final polls. We end the year ranked #10 IMO.
We’re currently ranked 13th and #12 LSU, #7 Oregon and #9 Georgia Tech lost. We’ll move ahead of those three teams and that’s it.
Final rankings will be
1. Bama/Texas
2. Bama/Texas
3. Florida
4. Boise St.
5. Ohio State
6. Iowa
7. TCU
8. Cincinnati
9. Virginia Tech
10. Penn State
I will bet you 10 BSD bucks that...
Penn State will jump Cinci. The murderation inflicted upon them will not be easily forgotten.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
VT wasn't ahead of us in the AP or Coaches poll
The only the BCS standings, and only bc of our disgusting comp ranking, which doesn’t matter anymore.
I know about your diabolical plan.
That's true. Wasn't VT up like 15-16?
Should help us bump them, too.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
RR's correct...
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Jan 7, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Penn State should jump Cincy IMHO
And not as a Big 10.1 homer. Cincy got crushed. I would say their balloon was fully popped.
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
They were finally exposed as frauds when no one in their own league could do it for them
Congrats on going undefeated, but welcome to playing actual competition.
Although in fairness, Florida should have been playing TCU/Boise, and Cincy, the other of the two, but the BCS sucks and the Fiesta took it in the rear so Tebow wouldn’t be crying at the end of the game again.
I think no matter what, Florida was gonna play Cincy
I think the Orange Bowl would have been the one to take TCU (or Boise St) and Cinci goes last to the Sugar. Could be wrong, but they seemed the less attractive of those 3 teams
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 8, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Also, if Bama wins
Texas will not finish higher than 3rd. Florida will just them FOR SURE. Unless it’s like a last second Bama FG FTW.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
jump, not just
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
They were both handy beat-downs, too. And 2 loss teams, if I remember correctly.
Texas will be a one loss team with Nintendo 12 SKILLZ! I can’t imagine they fall below a 2-loss team from the Big Ten, which is what they’d have to do based on the predictions we’re putting. I also don’t think they’d fall behind BSU, which means they’re 3rd.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
The 2010 road schedule is a bear.
The home schedule, not so much . . .
Michigan and Michigan State.
Good enough.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Are there any candidates for a night home game?
Doesn’t seem like it.
Umm, Michigan. Duh.
Cuz, like it’s Michigan.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
You really think ESPN is going to put us in primetime for THAT?
I have no doubts scUM can improve a little more next year, but 8pm worthy? I don’t think so, IMO.
I guess I have to say it again:
IT’S MICHIGAN.
"We've gotta execute! We've gotta have fun out there!" - Ed DeChellis
by ReadingRambler on Jan 8, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
And ESPN doesn't choose that anyway
If it has to be on the BTN, we’ll make it a night game.
"We've gotta execute! We've gotta have fun out there!" - Ed DeChellis
by ReadingRambler on Jan 8, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Be fair now-
They’ll only have one or two losses when the game is scheduled.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Jan 7, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Come on, friendo. We had Illinois as a night game. Illinois.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Illinois
was in September, did they have more than one loss at the time? They were also coming off of the Rose Bowl.
They gave up 100 points to Missouri
And they got murdered in the Rose Bowl.
Michigan is Michigan. It will be a night game.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
No.
They can’t even do it in in basketball now.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
the night games are all scheduled preseason
so won’t matter how many losses they have
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Don't be surprised if Tate Forcier is benched for
incoming 5* Devin Gardner, and the same thing as last year occurs – 5-0 start, and they’re still ranked when we play. I would guess, if we’re remotely competitive against Bama, that we’ll be a mid-teen ranked team come Michigan, and they could easily be in that range, as well.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
They're losing to UConn or ND.
Mark it.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
One loss for a michigan team in week 9
Means OMG MICHIGAN IS BACK TOP 10!
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
FORCIER IS THE BEST QB IN THE B10
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
yeah
I remember. He was the best by 4 TDs.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
The kid isn't enrolling early
Which is bad news for trying to get him out on the field.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
...but that would be totally awesome if they put him on the field anyway!
as a true freshman no less, because the others have all done so well
I am sure you have seen this, if not take a look.
It seems Tater Tot’s ego is almost as large as RichRod’s
"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 7, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, we've all seen it.
We recruited that guy.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry
"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 7, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
There are actually worse websites...
I’ve played at jam sessions with this guy, who is a total oogy freak.
Go to the video page. You’ll laugh your asses off. He’s got a HUGE ego… way out of proportion to his talent live (anyone can cut a decent sounding record with enough practice (and his technique live is pretty choppy).
Back to football. LOL
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
OK, I'm sure I don't want to see that.
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
If you honestly have no idea...
You seriously have no idea. It is beyond disturbing.
Just keep swimin'...
Nice of someone to write a wikipedia article so you don't have to watch it.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed
It makes me feel so…dirty to know that that kid has a hand-written letter by Joseph Vincent Paterno.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'm looking forward to seeing Rich Rod self-destruct against you guys.
I honestly think Michigan is going to be lousy next year… everyone is smelling blood with that program and hey, its FUN kicking Michigan when they’re down.
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
If Forcier and Shoelace guy suck against UConn and ND (not likely since neither have defenses), they'll plug in Devin Gardner
And if he sucks, RichRod gets fired.
I think Iowa, PSU, and OSU are all going to beat up on UM.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
OSU is starting to make Michigan look like their practice squad
I mean, Sweatervest has a serious bitchmakin’ going on against Michigan in recent years. We should get love letters or something from them to putting the wood to Dick Rod next year, so they’re nice and battered by the time of the UM-OSU game.
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
The best part will be Michigan's defense
They lose the one player able to actually threaten offenses. It’s going to be hilarious to watch.
Also worth noting
We have 1 road loss in two seasons, who’s responsible for that? Should go a long way to telling how 2010’s road schedule will work out.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
Yeah, it's kind of
like bizarro world PSU. Another season like the last two and PSU will start to think they are invicible on the road.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
One thing I'd like to know
Does anyone else believe weather had a big effect on the Florida bowl games this year? The Orange Bowl was the coldest game they’ve ever had (38 degrees), Cap One was just plain nasty (weather and field), Outback Bowl was cold and rainy (better field), and the Champ Sports Bowl set the stage for how torn up the field was for you guys.
While Northwestern was the only team that lost, they hung in until the end of that game, and I think the weather had something to do with that.
This bowl season proved that while the SEC may have speed, but they don’t have the ability to overcome the adversity of less than ideal weather conditions. Let’s move a BCS bowl to the Midwest and see how teams react to that (I know that will never happen, but I can dream).
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Jan 7, 2010 12:42 PM EST reply actions
No, absolutely not.
If the Big Ten can’t use the “we’re playing USC in home games every January” and the “Come play a bowl game in Big Ten country” (everyone says the SEC would still win), then you can’t complain that its cold down south.
The field could be used as an excuse, but frankly, anyone who understands football watching these games could see that EVERY Big Ten team’s line, both sides, dominated those games.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I mean the top 4 teams... I didn't watch the other 3 closely.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I think weather
is overrated as a factor. Besides that, Florida cold isn’t really cold, not like last year’s MSU game.
I cannot really speak for Florida cold but
Coastal South Carolina cold is pretty cold. It is a different cold in comparison to PA cold, but it is pretty freaking cold.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
Really?
What’s the temperature now?
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Well, hey, yesterday, it took about ten minutes for the water I spilled outside to freeze
Usually it’s five!
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
You can go outside?
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
Steel can't freeze
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I had a similar comment yesterday
though I think it was 20 degrees out. I could actually breathe through my nose without my nose freezing up. Nice and toasty!
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
It's calling for another four inches of snow tonight too
Don’t tell the Confederates in the other thread, but this both sucks and blows. And I didn’t think it was possible.
Just keep swimin'...
I like it...
When you get a little bit of snow/sleet, and then it turns so cold that it actually can’t snow. Then the roads freeze over. Woo.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I’m partial to 4 inches of snow (left completely unplowed) then an inch of freezing rain, then sub 20 temperatures.
Then PenDot tries to explain how people are stranded for 2 days on I-80 but it’s not their fault. How were they supposed to know that not plowing the roads would cause them to be impassible?
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
PennDot is the best reason I can think of for just buying a horse and/or some snowshoes.
Sure, fodder costs money but it can’t be much more than gas, right?
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
And if you get stranded on I-80, at least you can pull one of these numbers
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
by millzners on Jan 7, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Red x
But this time it has a lizard or a monkey or something.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
just post the link
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
And people are bitching about 40s and fog in Sacramento
I was in Iowa from the 30th-5th – my Mom died from cancer on New Year’s Eve (I was there, she was at home, in her sleep, surrounded by family and friends) – and one morning I got up and it was – 17F… I think that was January 2nd.
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry about your mother.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'm glad you got to be there for her.
Despite the weather. I’m sure we’ll all keep a good thought for you and her.
Just keep swimin'...
Thanks
My dad died of a stroke brought on by congestive heart failure in June and she was diagnosed with Stage IV lung cancer a couple of weeks later. She tried really hard to hold on and take some treatment, but it was too late.
"Wow. You know you have problems when even the cheerleaders know you suck." ~ Pain in the Sash
by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
thoughts for you and family
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week. "
George S Patton
by psu in the w-b on Jan 7, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Good grief.
Sorry for your losses, El-Hawk.
Wishing you a very much better ’10, Sir.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 7, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
my condolences for you and your family.
"Want a donut go to dunkin donuts, want a linebacker go to Penn State."
- Cris Carter, NFL Draft, 4/25/09
twitter: @princessblueezy
Great party game
With the right coed crowd.
"We just forgot our pants. Nothing against the team or anything like that." -- take a guess
this morning it was in the 20s tonight 14.
We have very moisture rich air, and strong coastal winds. Couple that with temps like we have now and I think you understand what I am saying about a different type of cold.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
Ok, I'll give you that.
I was afraid you were gonna call 40 cold.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
It gets below freezing here a couple of weeks out of the year, and its cold as hell.
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
I nearly croaked
crossing 80 in ’75, walking back to East Halls from Rec Hall one January night.
Single digit temps, with 40-ish gusts in over a foot of snow. Had to lean 45 degrees forward to make any headway. I had serious doubts about completing the trek, even as a vibrant 19 year old.
Now? Friggin’ parking garage. Kids today have it easy.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 7, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
you had it easy with lot 80
you don’t even want to know where the new general parking area is. lot 83 is further off campus than the outdoor track and field… field.
and i lived in west for 3 years, and on south atherton for one year. that was a hike.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
lol no but do you have hurricanes? I rest...
I am Laura Nichols and I like Bacon.
BSD is an addiction, and this is the first step.
Has anybody heard from WXMAN??
He moved to the upper peninsula, where I think they consider a positive number on the thermometer in winter to be a warm day. Maybe someone should go knock on his door and check on the kid.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
He can't get in the house
/ hand froze to the front door knob!
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Jan 7, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Waxman? Looks like he's down south on business
Note the flannel shirt and lack of jacket:
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jan 7, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I swear he commented a few weeks ago
but he may not have survived the cold since then. RIP Waxy, may your hot wax remove the hair from ladies’ bikini lines for all eternity.
I STILL LIVE
my gf was up for the past week visiting, so i didn’t have much time to get on here and post. don’t worry, i’m still here for all your hair care needs.
and forecasting needs.
btw, i’m making fun of jason giambi, carl pavano, and R. Kelly on-air today. It’s going to be great.
We are gonna shock them with 5,000 mega watts of raw ROO POWER.
But I would argue Auburn is more geared to poor weather when
compared to Northwestern. As for the Orange Bowl, it was 50 degrees. If anything, that just makes for a very comfortable playing environment. With PSU and LSU, that again is really a tossup. Both teams were helped and hindered by the conditions. It’s not like we were playing the St. Louis Rams of ’99 down there.
Obviously the whether had some effect
But I wsa suprised Georgia Tech got a first down against Iowa, and I don’t think the “cold” had anything to do with it. Iowa was a terrible match up for them, a well coached defense with good linebackers and a dominating defensive line. You can’t run option against that, especially not with a month to prepare.
LSU’s offense was ranked 108th in the country. Why anybody is suprised we won that game is amazing to me.
Miami is not as talented as they once were and they’re soft.
Just keep swimin'...
Miami is RIDICULOUSLY soft.
They had the kickoff and then that was it. It was pathetic.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
And it was a TRICK kickoff return.
Good god.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Though I have to admit
that was a badass end around, that guy ran for like 150 yards in the one play.
A month to prepare?
But but but… Ivan Maisel said that the long layoff was what hurt GT in the Orange Bowl.
What a maroon.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Jan 7, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Funny how it hurts them, but its not a big deal for the Big Ten.
What a dbag.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Does Fox lose their BCS contract next year by the way?
I really can’t take another premier bowl game called by the announcing crew that would normally be on the Bucs Raiders game.
Did they ever say that DE from G Tech’s name without mentioning that he is an all-American?
No, not once.
And yeah, I believe this was the last year Fox has the BCS. Hence the reason they organized TCU/BSU – attempt to kill ratings so ESPN won’t profit as much next year.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I think Fox is too busy filming GMC trucks in the parking lot to organize a conspiracy.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I didn’t get that at all.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
No, the ratings were actually expected to be good.
But that was my joke explanation for why that awful matchup came to be.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I will give them props for the halftime analysis
Jimmy Johnson and Eddie George are coherent and do not look like this =
Similarities?
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Wrinkles and sentence structure?
At least there’s a kernel of wisdom in what Yoda has to say.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
I can’t believe that Charles guy was even allowed back in the booth after the massive meltdown in last year’s BCS championship. They butchered the call of what should have been a really exciting moment in the game because neither one of them could figure out what down it was. It was like watching an Indiana NW game at noon on the BTN.
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
"especially...with a month to prepare"
I’m a bit surprised Ga Tech didn’t use that month to try to come up with an offense that would be more effective against Iowa, even if it was just a few sets. Did they really not see the terrible matchup they had? Stubbornness or poor coaching or both.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Neither stubbornness nor poor coaching
Just the arrogance that comes from hearing how awful your opponent’s conference is for the entire previous year.
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Jan 7, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
super stubborn
How many times did they call the HB dive play? Against Iowa’s interior D-line?
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
"But it worked for us all season against the ACC?..."
"I thought the kid we were using had the potential to be a good quarterback, and I blew that one." - Joseph V. Paterno
by leeharvey418 on Jan 7, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn't the Iowa D
I believe Nesbitt’s quote after the game said that GT beat themselves. Not sure how he worked that out in his brain but it was hit a lot in the three hours prior.
It appeared that while Iowa’s D watched film, perfected technique and learned schemes GT’s offense rested easy with the fact no team could shut down an “unstoppable” offense. It took until the second half to realize the triple option was not going to gain yards.
"Well of course, there's nothing better than being American!!!" - Ricky Americanzi, Jan. 5th, 2010
by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 7, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think Bellanca may have it right:
Paul Johnson can’t afford to admit Iowa won the game because he has a system to sell. If true, I can’t really blame him or his players. Especially Nesbitt who threw that horrible pick.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
he already has enough evidence to sell his system
“look how good this is, only a very stout and disciplined defense can stop it, but we play in the ACC”
he should just learn to gameplan a bit better for OOC and bowl games
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with selling that system is that it
does not translate to the NFL. How do you convince a kid to play in an offense where he will only develop 25% of the skills NFL scouts are looking for. It’s like Tom Bradley recruiting cornerbacks.
I think you can sell the system...
to running backs. Dwyer will be playing on Sundays. I like his system. The system or one similar worked fine for Navy and Air Force in their bowl games. The system looked bad b/c Iowa’s front 7 is damn good.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 7, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
What's crazy is
Joe Paterno invented, literally invented, how to stop that offense in like 1973. It’s not unstopable, hell it isn’t even new.
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Here's what I thought was hillarious:
GT was successful when a) they stopped running towards Clayborn (And it took them like, what, 3 quarters to figure this out?), and b) started running those pitch out plays. That’s not option football. It’s stuff we ran with Cappy in 1973.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
it is a form of the option
If you looked they dived the full back away and tossed. I think Johnson calls it a counter toss.
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I guess.
Didn’t look very “option-y” to me. No reads from what I saw.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
But it is a play that starts as an option type play.
That Qb can take a quick step and run the option or just run that quick pitch.
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JMO, but it reminded me of the "triple option" Nebraska fan.
They decided whether they were going to hand it to the FB or not in the huddle.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
It was a predetermined pitch in the huddle,
But Johnson has another play that is easy to call that is the same opening look and is an option, you run them in conjunction to confuse the linebackers.
BTW I have a copy of Johnson’s playbook from Georgia Southern, it is the same offense he is running now.
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You are correct but...
It is the fact that no one runs it anymore that makes it difficult to beat. If you have 6 days to prepare you are going to have a hard time. Players today are not used to seeing and reading an option offense. Many have never seen a true triple option. Also many times stopping an option requires unselfish play by your defense, I won’t get into the reason that is tough today. That is how Johnson wins games, he has an offense that is tough to prepare for. Now when you have a month to prepare you can do all sorts of drills that will help you, run the option with out a ball to make sure people are covering their responsibilities.
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Here's what I liked about Iowa's plan:
They didn’t seem as focused on “reading” the play as just kicking the blockers in the ass and pounding the quarterback. GT intentionally doesn’t block the DEs, and….not a good idea this time.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Well they did read.
Here is what they did, this is how you beat that offense. You assign a gap to your down lineman, you make them sell out to that gap, and owning any lineman in that gap. That takes the dive back out of the play and forces outside flow. Now the offense is going to leave your end man on the line of scrimmage unblocked and option off of him. When Clayborn stepped up and took the qb time and again they had to pitch that is where the Linebackers were reading the play and sopping up the tackles. Angerer looked like a stud because of the unselfish play of his dline.
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Ok, you know more about football than myself.
It just felt to me like either Iowa or GT was doing something different. I may have been following the ball too much.
Point is: football again comes down to line play.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Don't put yourself down.
You had some great points, and you summed it up, The line made all the difference in this game.
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Iowa was by far the best defense GT faced all year
And you could see this coming based on what Bucky did to Miami… and we pushed Bucky around and made Tolzien’s life miserable.
The ACC is weak. WEAK!
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
exactly!
in that sense it is a “gimmick” offense. Not tough to stop, but it is tough when you’re used to seeing something else. On a week by week basis you can get away with it because opposing defenses only have 6 days to prepare. Johnson should know that given a month, a good defense will be able to be very effective against it, and gameplanned accordingly.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
As a coach I hate to see the word "gimmick" offense.
All offenses are gimmicks at some point. The spread was a gimmick once upon a time, the run and gun, the I, the single wing, ect. ect. But it is the uncommonality of the offense that makes it tough to stop. It is sound, and a credible offense, but it just like any other offense is at the mercy of their offensive lineman. GT lost because of its poor oline play.
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Our offense is a gimmick.
Anything with “HD” attached to it is totally a gimmick.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
and are we scrapping it after that same d line pwned us in a similar fashion?
NOPE!
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Mr. Easy starting to sound like a Boise fan
;)
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that's why I put it in quotes
since it is a valid offense, but the reason it is so successful now is that it is uncommon, not that it is really that good.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 8, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
If you have 6 days to prepare you are going to have a hard time. Players today are not used to seeing and reading an option offense.
Just to emphasize this, Georgia Tech’s three losses were to two teams coming off of bye weeks, and in the bowl. Their only win against a team that had more than the standard week to prepare came in the season opener vs. Jacksonville State.
They run the offense decently, but without the extra bump from it being unfamiliar, they wouldn’t get as much mileage out of it as they do.
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Iowa had better talent and prepped hard
Whether they prepped harder than GT, we’ll never know. But I think it was pretty clear Iowa had better talent, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. Stanzi doesn’t throw that Rick Six, and the game may have turned into a laugher blowout. Doesn’t matter, I’ll take the win. :)
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Take all the prep out the window.
If all other things were even, the Line play of Iowa was what would, and did win that game. Bottom line. It also helped that Stansi didn’t go all pick happy on them early either.
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Oh yeah, Iowa definitely had better talent. I just think that there are also other teams that GT played that also had better talent (than GT) who couldn’t take as much advantage due to having less prep time.
Stanzi doesn’t throw that Rick Six, and the game may have turned into a laugher blowout.I don’t disagree with this statement, but at the same time, I feel that most analysis starting with “If Big Play X (usually a turnover) doesn’t happen…” ignores something that happens regularly enough in football games that it shouldn’t be ignored.
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It was Paul Johnson's system not stubborness
If you run that double wing, flex bone then you have to sell out to the philosophy it creates. Which is run the ball, play ball control, and win time of possession. When they fell behind early he started to press, they tried some of their passes, which are all set up off of run plays and Iowa’s DLine was able to shut down. Johnson wasn’t being stubborn, he just has no other plays that will work when his OLine is dominated in that manner. He has alot of slow developing plays, and play actions that need time. Time he didn’t have.
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but isn't the common assumption about that system
is that if you have a good, well disciplined defensive front that you can shut it down? The stubbornness I was talking about was not doing anything in the month prior to the game to adjust to such a defense. I know you can’t just instill a whole new system, but I wonder how the game may have turned out if they started their first few drives with a few wrinkles in them, such as maybe a forward pass.
Obviously you stick to your strong point, but if I were a head coach I’d like to believe that I’d analyze the strong/weak points of my opponent and adjust at least somewhat.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think he assumed his o line was better than what it was.
I also feel he wants to stick to the system come hell or high water. He has been running it for nearly 20 years.
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I think that's the definition of stubborn ;-)
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that sticking to the system was stubborn,
But he built his practice and gameplans around the false assumption that his O line was better than what it was. He hasn’t seen a big physical, fast d line like that most of the year. That is where he failed, not stubbornness, or stupidity, just false assumptions.
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If anything this game just gives us pride in the talent and line coaching in our own conference
I mean, best play of the night: when Clayborn was on special teams, he burst off the line, destroyed the up back, got to the punter a split second late, and then just stared at him.
I don’t think any conference displayed such dominant line play.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
that play almost made me soil my pants
and I wasn’t even the punter. Guy is scary good.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 8, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Question...
Don’t you think that there is something inherently flawed about installing a system that literally dictates what you have to do? Mgoblog, in response to people arguing that RichRod should coach his players, not his system, cited to some run and shoot whack job that said basicly the same thing, ie. you have to sell out to the philosophy it creates.
Why would you ever want to have a system that limits what you can do, and periodically puts you in positions where you have literally no chance for success.
Say what you want about Penn State’s former run heavy tendancies, but we had pass plays. We just didn’t like to use them.
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I don't agree with this offense at all, but think for a minute about Paul Johnson's career to this point
He coached at division 1aa, he had to recruit left overs from d1 so he took an offense that is fit for undersized lineman and qbs who aren’t traditional pocket passers. He then moves to Navy, same problems, undersized lineman and lack of big time recruits. So he sticks to the system. He is hired at GT because of his success running his system. At that point Paul Johnson cannot change his offense, HE IS THE FLEXBONE. They knew what they were getting when he was hired and knew what type of offense it was. They seemed happy, and I doubt one loss will cause them to scrap their system. Sometimes you aren’t as good as your opponent.
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I'm not piling on the coach
Everything I’ve heard about Paul Johnson is that he is very good coach in every respect. But what makes Navy not awful, or works in Division 2, is going to have a pretty noticable ceiling in a major confrence, or even in the ACC. You have to think that with framiliarity, that ceiling is going to start to fall.
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I know it is nitt picking but its Division 1AA
I played 1AA so it is a bit of pet peeve to me, sorry Jesse.
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What position did you play...
And where if I may ask?
One of the best I-AA games I saw was Delaware @ Bill&Mary in the 90s. It was a scoring contest, B&M won it on the last play of the game, intercepting a pass that would have tied it with the XP @ 55 (or some ridiculous #er). Great fun to watch… a nightmare for fans of defense.
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Left Tackle at Robert Morris
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Played a year then transferred to D2.
It was closer to home.
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then you should have said
played at division 1-AA AND Division 2, so it is a bit of a pet peeve ;-)
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 8, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Here's what I'm wondering:
What does RichRod do if he figures out that the Big Ten teams know how to defend his run-spread? Norm Parker ran this thing where he had linebackers and corners all lined up in front of the LOS and forced the spread team (think it was Iowa State) to pass. I think Ohio State did it against Oregon. RichRod’s spread is not going to be unstoppable. So does he adjust or what?
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
He will never get that chance to adjust
Mark it down now…This is the last year of DickRod in Michigan. The new AD will be pulling the plug unless he is competing for the big ten this year.
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They have to play Wisconsin, Iowa, PSU, and OSU
All of whom were better this year. Only PSU regresses. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Purdue will “upset” them.
And then there’s @ ND and UConn. Edsall’s not a bad coach. Who knows.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I've tried to argue it with Michigan fans
But seriously what happens when his system is “installed” two years and 18 losses later. They start competently running the spread? So what?
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Bigger problem here, I think:
Greg Robinson sucks. They can say they don’t have players, but Greg Robinson has never been a great DC. He was mediocre at Texas. And Texas has, you know, players.
I don’t think Michigan can win in the Big Ten by out-scoring people. I really don’t. This is not a conference like the Big 12, where fundamentals are for chumps.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and another problem:
The Big Ten is getting better. And fast too. Like Wisconsin. They return everyone on the offensive line and Bertie is apparently figuring out how to coach (with lots of help from Barry, I bet).
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, man
If the other team lines up in a 4-3, Michigan will kick their ass.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Don't you think
The defensive coordinators from the ACC are watching the Orange Bowl films and are going to try to do what Iowa did? Also in year three they will have some defenders that have experience with it along with the defensive coordinators. If a month of prep can shut it down so can facing it every season for multiple years. It won’t be as easy but the ACC will “catch up” to it just like teams are able to defend the spread without as much prep time.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 7, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
If the defensive coordinators in the ACC
need to see tape of the Iowa game to figure out how to stop the option, I wouldn’t let them coach fourth grade girls team.
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by jesse. on Jan 7, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
honestly
Did anyone really stop it from the ACC? Although I didn’t see all of GT v Miami it wasn’t a defensive struggle. It seems they have a tough time spelling defense, let alone playing it.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 7, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Miami wasn't horrible against the spread, IIRC
Virginia Tech got torched and I think your own Bellanca is right in thinking that the days of over-aggresive defense are coming to a close. Look what happens when teams like the top 4 of the Big Ten sit back and let their lines wreak havoc.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know why I said spread. Flexbone, obviously
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
It was Florida State that they made look like a bunch of clowns
But that’s not really impressive, because Florida State’s defense this year was essentially 10 clowns and two overturned garbage cans.
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by jesse. on Jan 7, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Florida State's defense was one of the worst defenses I think I've ever seen.
They do everything bad. Everything.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
Temps in the teens are going to affect the players a lot more than if its above freezing.
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Next season
I think Royster coming back can be a big help. I hope that we can tailor our style of play to what players/experience we have. I would love to see them slow down with the Spread HD a bit (since we will have a new QB) and focus on controlling the ball with running and defense and (PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE!) improved special teams. maybe a little bit of Tressel-ball so to speak.
I still think that there will be some growing pains, and that trip to Alabama is too early for me to see anything but a blowout, ala Notre Dame a few years ago, but I think we can be a solid contender in the B10 if we focus on our strengths.
We have the talent
But historically, we just have not developed talent immediately. Outside the LB position, we tend to need until a JR year for a kid to really explode.
On that topic, we MAY have 2 freshman starting LBs as far as all that is concerned. Mauti, you have to figure, is set, but 3 of our kids are looking to be starters at the AA bowl, and have been receiving great reviews. THAT could set us up for a great 2011.
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Capital One Bowl Confused
Am I confused or has everyone—including the media and the BSD community—been saying that SEC teams don’t have to play in poor field conditions?
LSU lost a slug-fest you don’t normally have to play in the south (while probably much worse, there are comparisons between playing in that pig pasture in Florida and on a snowy, icy field in Pennsylvania).
First, I’d say that SEC teams do often play slugfests. The Florida/LSU game this year was nothing if not a slugfest. SEC games regularly have over/unders that are in the 30s, which you don’t find anywhere else in college football.
Moreover, football corresponds with hurricane season in the Southeast. Hell, Citrus Stadium is within the geographic confines of the SEC. Florida’s home field is referred to as The Swamp. Don’t these teams always play in rainy, wet fields? Its the southeast, not southern california…
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I think field conditions in the south are on average much better than they are in the north.
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hmmmm
At first I was going to say that I’d agree with you so long as you refer the “much” from your statement, i.e. field conditions in the south are on average better than they are in the north.
But I don’t think that’s really true either. The field conditions at Beaver Stadium are the best in the country, or at least it’s reasonable to make that argument.
However, PLAYING conditions (snow, temperature, wind, etc), are, yes, on average, worse in the north than they are in the south.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I don't think he implied slugfest as in a close fought game
but in that it was a trench war in bad conditions.
Haven’t they been rescheduling games when hurricanes have been coming in?
As for playing in tough conditions, though, I’m not sure which is worse: playing in 30 degree weather and snow, or playing in 100 degree weather with 100% humidity. I imagine our guys would have a hard time “toughing out” those latter conditions.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I would agree to a degree...
However, it is easier, when you’re in peak physical condition, to adapt to high temperatures (drink a ton of sportsdrink – stay hydrated and sub freely) than to low (TRY to stay warm, hope you don’t tighten up and pull something).
Secondly, remember that we get PRETTY close to 100 up north during training camp (State College hit mid-90’s for like 11 straight days when I worked there one summer), while they were crying about a “cold” 49 degrees in Miami. I think the north experiences closer to the standard southern weather than the south does northern weather.
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Both exremes cause different problems
and if you are used to adjusting to one, you probably aren’t so used to adjusting to the other. Say an optimal game is 70 degrees, I’d rather be playing 20-30 degrees below than above (ie 50 instead of 90, and 40 instead of 100).
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 7, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
You might have heat, but you have no where near as much humidity.
I grew up in Happy Valley and played college ball near there as well, it gets warm, but the humidity is no where near as bad.
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I agree.
I’ve been in NC and southern VA before in summer. I’m never going back.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
exactly there is a reason Disney lowers prices and offers great deals in July
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in Cali, great deals in the winter...
Go to Disneyland/California Adventure in October. Really nice time to be in SoCal and the parks aren’t crowded.
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Italy in august much much much worst
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by psu in the w-b on Jan 7, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
one of the worst experiences of my life
was riding in a packed bus in Jamaica driving through this rain forest/fern gully thing in july where the driver had to turn the AC off to go up hills. I was also MASSIVELY hungover, and packed between my cousin and 2 VERY large women. I was picturing the sweet release of the bus going off the side of the road and plummeting to my death.
by The JuggerNitt on Jan 8, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
One quick question
The phone of Joe Pa looking at Ferentz like he’s a turd in human disguise is priceless, BTW. Does anyone know whether he eventually SHOOK his hand? LOL
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Dammit, photo, my bad.
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by Leftcoast Hawk on Jan 7, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Sheesh.
I almost went back to check the pic to see if some kind of ‘PhoneJoe’ had been developed. It sounded intrigueing.
I’m easily, and regularly, duped.
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by Pete the Streak on Jan 7, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
He's shaking a midget's (aka: John Lickliter) hand.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Final standings
As an avid SEC fan I trully believe that ‘Bama will handle Texas tonight and make that one-loss for Florida in the SEC Championship game look so much better. Texas hasn’t played up to its level this year barely getting past Nebraska. The final standings of 2009 will look something like this.
1.’Bama
2. Florida
3. Boise State
4. Texas
5. Ohio State
6. Virginia Tech
7. Penn State
8. Iowa
9. TCU
10. BYU
Reverse the order of 6-7-8 and I'd probably agree
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Yes
’flop 6 and 8 – but Alabama would have to TOTALLY stymie UT (IMO) for the ’taters to rank ahead of them…
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by BlueWhiteLife on Jan 7, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Not that it matters
But I think that undefeated Boise should be number 2 at the end of the season.
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Didja watch that game?
They looked like high school teams. I felt it was sad. TCU in particular looked like they had stage fright. And they didn’t try to run the ball, which I thought was stupid of them.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
And does either team have a vertical passing game?
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
But I think I agree.
Florida has like good win this year (Cinci). Boise State has two.
Boom. WAC’d.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
A Big 12 Championship without a National Championship isn’t impressive. The Big 12 has kinda squeeked by this year. Oklahoma lost their 2008 Heisman winner in Bradford, Oklahoma State lost Dez Bryant and the rest weren’t very impressive other than Suh from Nebraska. Too many injuries caused problems this year as well as the swine flu hitting in 2009. Florida wasn’t as dominant as they were in 2008, mainly because they lost Louis Murphy and Percy Harvin is is a 2010 pro bowler as well as offensive rookie of the year. Just imagine what we could’ve done with Harvin in the lineup this year! More of a possibility of making it to the BCS Championship Game. ‘Bama was a better team this year and deserves to win the BCS title. The SEC will only continue to get stronger as the ACC will only demenish as time goes by and the Big 12 will continue to be the 2nd best conference behind the SEC. I’m a Gator fan going for ’Bama, Roll tide! Go SEC!
by UFCarpeDiem81 on Jan 7, 2010 3:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yes, the SEC will continue to get stronger
Like this year when they were a two team conference. Impressive.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
The Big 12 has kinda squeeked by this year? I mean, really?
What’s the top 4 in the SEC? Floribama, LSU, and then…Tennessee? Alabama is the best team in the country, but Ohio State and Iowa could hang with Florida who has been unimpressive against teams with good defenses and has a concussed QB who has played like a screwball at teams. LSU would get their clocks cleaned by Penn State on a good field, and Wisconsin would probably beat UT.
You may have Alabama, but the fact that they went undefeated in the SEC doesn’t make the SEC great.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
AAAAAYYYYYEEEE!
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by BlueWhiteLife on Jan 7, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
You have to ask yourself a question
Is Mark Ingram good enough to break the Heisman curse? B/c there’s one sure thing about Heisman winners in the NC game: they under perform.
The Heisman Curse, it works 80% of the time, all the time.
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Texas will sell out against the run
And then McElroy will go all Pryor and loft the ball to Jones.
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by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but
mostly with QB’s. Bush had a pretty good game (stupid pitch aside) against Texas. He had about 280 all purpose yards, which I think was above his season average.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 7, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but USC still lost that game… I’m not saying the Heisman Curse is real, I’m not even saying I believe in curses, but the team with the Heisman winner has only won 2 of the last 9 bowl games this decade, and both were USC quarterbacks in the Orange bowl.
It’s all here in this pamphlet
"We hugged as grown men do. It was a great moment. Then, it was business as usual." -- LJ Sr.
True...
I think it is more the nature of the responsibilities afterwards. Rubber Chicken circuit and all.
Never mistake effort for achievement.
by Esteban d' Amur on Jan 7, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever
All I know is that we could have scored 30 on Texas’s D and USC’s D and we could have contained Young (when I think disciplined defense, I think USC). USC would have been much tougher.
Joe knows bowl games.
by ReadingRambler on Jan 7, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
And Florida will improve next year?
Florida loses Tebow. And Alabama loses a lot of its lights-out defense.
The SEC was down this year. That’s the reason why two teams came out of the conference undefeated. In past years there was always a second tier team strong enough to knock off the top team (or teams).
I’m fully expecting the conference to improve in the middle next year. But I’d be surprised if the conference champ is as good as Bama and UF were the last two years. It may work out that trial by fire will produce a champ like the 2007 LSU team with 2 losses. My guess is a more balanced conference will return, otherwise you may see a SEC team flop like OSU or Oklahoma on the big stage.
I do think Bama should and will win today.
next year's schedule will be BRUTAL
considering our losses on both sides of the ball, I see us ranked between 15 and 20.
I agree
17-22 ranking, perhaps generous. I’m expecting losses to Bama, OSU, and probably 1-2 among Mich, Ill, Iowa. I think PSU will be significantly down next year.
I don’t see IA as strong, they lose a lot on their OL and front 7 defensively. Is the return of Stanzi really that big of a deal?
by InScoresOfOtherGames on Jan 8, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Stanzi is kind of an X-factor for Iowa
If he’s playing, there’s a chance no matter who they’re playing they’ll lose, or at least almost lose until the D bails them out.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jan 13, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
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