Black Shoe Diaries Q & A With Lou Prato, Part One
Well after watching BSD almost melt down yesterday, I thought this would be the perfect time to spoil you with another Lou Prato visit to BSD. Legendary Lou took some time (a lot of time) answering some questions we had for him. Also, be sure to check back tomorrow for part two.
It's always nice to get the historical prospective on all things Penn State and Lou did an excellent job with that. Yesterday, I took a look at this seasons loss differential (to date). We'll revisit that topic once the bell sounds on the 2010 season. For now, enjoy the conversation with Lou.
QBsneak12: We are at the halfway point of the 2010 season. Give us a historical perspective of how this season compares to years past, particularly since Joe Paterno has been the head coach.
Lou Prato: I started thinking about this a couple of days before the Illinois game, believing the outcome could set the tone for the rest of the season. If that's now true, then 2010 will not turn out well. Most BSD readers lived through the worst years of the Paterno era --2000-01 and 2003-04. Judging by the internal turmoil and sniping that became public in the aftermath of the embarrassing loss to Illinois, 2010 looks like it will be much worse than we all anticipated.
At 3-3, this is by far a better start than any of those 2000 teams, and even better than Paterno's 1983 squad, which, like the 2001 team, lost its first three games of the season (with the 2001 squad also losing a fourth straight before a win). What's troubling is the way this team was beaten by a so-so Illinois team. Sure, there were too many key players missing because of injuries, which meant the use of a lot of inexperienced players. But there seemed to be a lack of desire, a lot of confusion and downright ineptness on the field in the play calling and execution of the plays.
With the caliber of opposition ahead, it may be difficult for this team to even with the minimum of three more games to get a lesser bowl game. However, the challenge is there, if the players and coaches develop the right attitude on and off the field. The 1983 squad reversed the losing, winning seven of the next eight games, tying Pitt and then beating Washington in the Aloha Bowl. There is even a better example of a team overcoming adversity and heavy criticism from the fans and the media in Penn State's 1964 team, which also lost three straight at the start of the season and four of its first five. The next week, the '64 Lions upset No. 2 Ohio State, 26-0, in Columbus, won their last four games, finished No. 14 in the country, won the Lambert Trophy as the best team in the East, and rejected a bowl bid because the players said they had nothing else to prove.
Then there was the 1988 team. They were 4-2 at the halfway point, and then lost their last five games to give Penn State its first losing season in 50 years. There were a lot of similarities between the makeup of that team and the 2010 squad - with a lack of leadership, erratic play on the field, injuries, and a true freshman quarterback in Tony Sacca. Joe Paterno called the season "the Hellfires of '88." We can only hope 2010 will not become "Hellfires Part 2."
QBsneak12: With the way Nebraska is now playing, and is once again a serious contender for the national championship, do you have any thoughts about Nebraska coming into the Big Ten next season? And what's your perspective on Nebraska as Penn State's rival game with the other conference, and the fact that Penn State will no longer be playing Michigan State on an annual basis?
LP: Like a lot of other Penn State fans, I think Nebraska's entry into the Big Ten is a big coup for the league. I don't have to go into details because so much has already been written or broadcast on radio and TV. I am only disappointed that the annual game with Nebraska won't be played at the end of the season to make it a bona fide "true," anything-can-happen rival game, ala Michigan-Ohio State, Alabama-Auburn, USC-UCLA, etc. Now, Big Ten officials say that could change in the future, but for a least two years, our end of season rival will be Wisconsin. According to what I have read in the Wisconsin media, Wisconsin's athletic department isn't happy with that situation either, even though Coach Bret Bielema told Rivals' Tom Dienhart a few days ago that he likes Penn State as the end of season game. We'll have to see how it all plays out over the next couple of years.
So, for now, playing Nebraska at mid-season won't stop all the complaining from the fans who remember those great, end of season games against Penn State's so-called "bitterest" rival, Pittsburgh. Michigan State seemed like a natural to replace Pitt when Penn State went into the Big Ten in 1993. Not only were the schools two of the original Land Grant Institutions, but there had been 10 games between the schools long before 1993, going back to 1913. However, for one reason or another, neither Penn State or Michigan State fans or the players ever developed the animosity and/or emotion that many true rivals have towards each other. I don't believe there is or will be that kind of enmity in the Nebraska-Penn State rivalry either, at least for the foreseeable future. This rivalry is one of mutual respect because of the great games the teams have played over the years, plus the national championship controversies that surrounded the 1982 and 1994 seasons.
As for not playing Michigan State annually, I won't miss that game in particular. what I will miss is an annual fall trip to Michigan or Michigan State, which hasn't always happened in the last couple of years anyhow. That's because the Detroit area has been like a second home since I was a kid. I even worked there for several years in the early 1970s when I was in broadcast news, and I still have some relatives and a lot of old friends back there. In fact, some BSD readers might find it interesting to know I was once a big Michigan fan and was part of the homes game's broadcast team for our radio station as the spotter for the play-by-play man. I spent many Saturday afternoons in the Big House watching the "Big Two and the Little Eight" with Bo and Woody going at each other. In 1972 I wrote a tongue-in-cheek story for the Penn State-Pitt Game day program about being a Penn State fan in Big Ten country entitled, "A Heathen Among Missionaries." Nowadays, I can't stand those arrogant Michigan fans.
QBsneak12: Let's talk about another sport, ice hockey. Are you a hockey fan, and how do you think the addition of a varsity hockey team will affect Penn State athletics overall?
LP: My Detroit roots turned me into a hockey fan no thanksgiving night in 1952 when I saw my first NHL hockey game with the Detroit Red Wings and Montreal Canadians tying 1-1. I was hooked. I saw a couple more Red Wings games in the 1950s and I remember seeing a Johnstown minor league team play a time or two - before the team become famous when Paul Newman's classic movie "Slap Shot" was mad there. Then, in 1967 I covered the milestone draft in Montreal when the NHL expanded from six to twelve teams and created the Pittsburgh Penguins and the Philadelphia Flyers. Hockey News, the bible of pro hockey, asked me to be its Penguins stringer for two years and I did that until moving to Detroit. After that, I saw many games in Detroit, Chicago, Washington, and even Cincinnati. I haven't seen too many of the Icer games here because of various reasons, but I still watch hockey on TV, and with the HDTV you can finally see the puck.
There's no doubt in my mind that hockey will go over big at Penn State. There already is a built-in fan base from the students who live in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and New York-New Jersey areas. Many of these students played hockey as kids and that is still going in. In many areas, the hockey arenas are open all night or very early in the morning for all the kids and adults interested in playing. Do you realize the Penn State ice hockey summer camps are among the most popular? Those kids who come here every year are also going to be instant Penn State hockey games. And once people outside of the hard core hockey nuts see major college hockey they are going to be hooked, too, like I was at my first NHL game. If you like football, you should like hockey. If you get into it, the game is even more exciting than football, and, in my mind, basketball, too. That's why I think they will pack the new Penn State arena. Right now, Penn State officials have said they want to build an arena with a seating capacity of 6,000-8,000. That's probably a smart idea since State College is still a relatively small town in a basically rural area. Men's basketball is a good example. The weekend crowds are almost always much bigger than weeknight crowds because of the distance some of the fans have to travel to get here. So, a 12,000-16,000 seat hockey arena might have too many empty seats for too many games. But I hope that it is big enough because I think hockey will eventually become one of the three Penn State varsity sports that make a profit (along with football and men's basketball). What's also going to help is the Big Ten network broadcasting the games. I'm quite excited about it and very happy for Joe Battista who has been dreaming of this for a long, long time.
Great stuff some far. A lot of great information in those answers. Check back tomorrow for part two.
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Great stuff Lou
This has been a great addition to the site guys! Keep up the good work!
When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman
I also would love Nebraska as our last game every year.
Also, does the men’s basketball team really turn a profit? Not trying to be snarky, just honestly wondering.
I’ve looked at college football data warehouse a bunch and honestly wondered about the 1988 season. Nobody seems to talk about it and it was a random 5-6 year in a decade where the team was otherwise of “elite” status. Great stuff as always Lou.
"He's a beast. But so am I. So let the beasting begin."
Freshman quarterback...
WVU and Notre Dame played for the national title. Syracuse won ten games. Somehow that friggin’ tight end who name mercifully escapes me at this point, dropped a pass at the end of the game and we lost to Rutgers.
Bang, losing season.
Beat Off Week. We're getting 7.5 points.
In the NLC newsletter
it states the areas of revenue for the Athletic Dept. A small sliver is from Men’s BB. So yes, Men’s BB is a positive contributor.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I think that paradox
has at least something to do with the state of our program. Why boost resources to an entity that is already revenue positive when doing so can easily turn it the other direction.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Here it is
Now I see that revenue and expenses are split into two different sharts. I still recall that men’s bball paid for itself plus.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
Not sure why the red x...
here’s the link
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/psu/sports/c-lionclub/auto_pdf/2009-NLC-Annual-Report.pdf
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
with my simple math
It appears as though the men’s basketball program operated around $700,000 in the red (not good). They provided 3% of the revenue ($95 mil and c hange), while attributing to 4% of the expense ($87 mil and change).
I’m sure it wasn’t an even 3 or 4%, so there is definitely a margin of error. Ultimately, I’d say they were not making any money (best case), or costing the university $700,000/year.
I really hate sharts...
"I have my Joe Paterno autograph already, but I don’t know that I’d begrudge anybody else from getting theirs no matter their age. That’s kind of like meeting Winston Churchill." jesse. @ BSD
by bconway6 on Oct 14, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was hoping someone
would have fun with that.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I was a freshman in '88
and while I loved and looked forward to gamedays, I could have done without the first losing season in 50 years.
Thanks for the perspective. Hopefully this team gets its head in the right place, rights the ship and gets JoePa his 400th plus this year.
One man doing the work of 100's for the good of 1000's
I'd love to hear more about that '88 team.
Seems kind of remarkable that you never hear anything about them. It’s the ultimate outlier season. If you get a chance to expound on that in a future segment at BSD, we’d be grateful for it.
Of course, we’re grateful for everything already. Thanks for such a great piece, guys.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
That's interesting. Assuming that the losing season pushed
Joe and whoever the President was (Jordan?) in that direction. But why was that any different than the middling seasons like 84?
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Oct 14, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i may be way of base
but i think it was because other schools joining conferences and the death of independent football. at least i think i remember reading something along those lines. joe wanted his eastern conference and the other schools laughed it off, which sent us to the big10(11)
The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.
Concur.
I don’t think the team’s record had much to do with it? I’m not sure about that and I could be wrong about that assertion, but didn’t independent Notre Dame play independent WVU for the title that year?
"But then again I’d second guess anything a clown like me says anyway."
by ReadingRambler on Oct 14, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct.
Syracuse was very good that year too. I think Pitt even had Ironhead Hayward and Curtis Martin.
Beat Off Week. We're getting 7.5 points.
Martin came a little later, I think.
He was drafted in 1995, which puts him at Pitt from 1991-1994.
As a side note, if there was ever a runner to compare Evan Royster to, it’s Curtis Martin. Quiet, unassuming, terrific vision, always did the little things to gain an extra yard out of nothing. No one ever really got a good shot on Martin because his pad level was so low and he always took an angle where he glanced off a tackler to get an extra yard. Not unlike Royster, he wasn’t a “big play” guy, but completely consistent. It’s why coaches in the NFL loved him but fanatics always forget about him. We can say the same thing about #22 right now.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Oct 14, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You might be thinking of
“Swervin’” Curvin Richards. He was their RB in 1989 (the year after Heyward left), so he probably was on the field with him at times in ’88.
And so we land, only to find
We never left the ground...
I think Randy
“Mac-Attack” McMillen was there around that time too? No???
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Oct 15, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No, McMillan was late 70's, I think.
I know he was with the Colts in the early to mid 80’s.
And so we land, only to find
We never left the ground...
From an earlier post by Mike BSD
http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2010/6/22/1523717/penn-state-history-joining-the-big
In 1988 the football team went through a brutal rebuilding year and Joe Paterno suffered his first losing season going 5-6. Not only was it Paterno’s first losing season, it was Penn State’s first losing season in 49 years. Paterno wasn’t getting any younger and was openly saying he planned to retire when he turned 65, just after the 1991 season. (Ha!) Penn State President Bryce Jordan felt he needed to find better financial security for Penn State’s athletic program to ensure success in the post-Paterno era. So for that he looked west.
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Told you I wasn't sure.
"But then again I’d second guess anything a clown like me says anyway."
by ReadingRambler on Oct 14, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there is a chapter about the 88 team in the Paterno biography "Paterno by the book"
Prato’s “Hellfires off 88” comment makes me think I remember that being a chapter. But I lived that year (my soph year) and it was horrible – being part of the first losing season. Ugh.
Lou Prato is such an excellent PSU resource. Thanks for this article. Looking forward to more.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Check out "For the Glory" by Ken Delinger
“Football dreams and realities inside Paterno’s program”
Best quote by Fran Ganter when true freshman Tony Sacca becomes the starter:
"From there, it went downhill. For me and for everybody. Because Tony’s the quarterback, Joe came in that Monday and just totally watered down the offense. It was like the bare minimum. No audibles. None of the checking off (at the line of scrimmage) the quarterback has to do a lot. What it amounted to was that after a quarter or a half the other teams started to gang up on us. We were running bad plays, plays we normally would have gotten out of."
Frannie said he gave him the yips.
by Frank O'Brien on Oct 15, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
sigh...some things never change
No audibles. None of the checking off (at the line of scrimmage) the quarterback has to do a lot.
The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.
Lou Prato is awesome!
No personal attacks either, class all the way!
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I'd like to take this time to point out that Lou Prato hasn't won anything meaningful in decades,
and that the future of PSU football historians is sure to suffer until he at least names a successor.
/personal attack’d
really, and all that history stuff is just old.
We need someone with new information. Maybe someone who predicts the future. Maybe our own Johnny Smith.
Now this is the reason
Why I love BSD, not all of that stupid drama and pointless arguments from yesterday.
while frustrating at times
debates can actually be fun…when parties involved actually bring logical reasoning to the table, instead of “youre a doodoo head” “no YOURE a doodoo head!”
The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.
you're a DOUBLE doodoo head!
Whatever
by letsgopsu on Oct 15, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
86 title makes the 88 season even more dramatic
yeah, i was a freshman during the 86 title run… thought we’d be all over the national title scene for ever… then reality set in junior year… on the field and in the classroom i suppose. i do recall Al Golden being the guy who caught the game winning TD vs No 1 Notre Dame in 1990, i think that game for me marked the end of the depression.

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