Big Ten Review: At Least We're Not Iowa
After the guys from the Daily Gopher stopped by last week to give their two cents about how the Nittany Lions' trip to Southern Canada would go, a popular sentiment emerged: at least we're not Minnesota. The argument was more or less "be thankful that Penn State fans get to support a team that has a strong football tradition and routinely competes for the Big Ten championship."
That argument didn't make any sense to me at the time and still doesn't. Case in point, Iowa. The Hawkeyes suffered their second loss of the season on Saturday, ending hopes for anything more than a share of the Big Ten title and officially closing the door on their preseason hopes to have one of the best seasons in school history. The kids over at BHGP expressed their frustration in the crazy and hilarious way of breaking the internets that is their signature.
For my money, it's way easier to be a Minnesota fan today than it is to be an Iowa fan. As we well know, Iowa fans have a bad taste in their mouth that probably won't go away even if they win out the rest of the way. Great expectations lead to great disappointments. Meanwhile, fans of Goldy have probably been ice-fishing without a care in the world since Saturday afternoon.
Same deal, different sport: Being a Penn State hoops fan is a lot easier than being an Indiana hoops fan, because I never expect the Nittany Lions to do anything special. If they do: bonus. Bob Dylan said it best: if you ain't got nothin, you got nothing to lose. And Iowa had something to lose this year. We do every year. Minnesota almost never does.
Other thoughts from last weekend:
Michigan State's backdoor cover was the greatest gambling moment of the year in the Big Ten thus far. It was one thing for Sparty to come from 17 back to beat Northwestern, but it was an entirely other thing for Sparty to cover the six point line. After scoring with two minutes remaining to go up by one, MSU only had to force a stop from Northwestern to win. They did, but there was enough time left on the clock-and Northwestern had enough timeouts-that MSU also had to get a first down to avoid giving the ball back to Northwestern. On the way to the first down, Edwin Baker just kept on going to score a 25-yard touchdown with 1:07 remaining. It would have been better for MSU if he would have just fallen down--they could have kneeled once or twice and won, rather than kicking to Northwestern who could have miraculously tied with a td and two-point conversion in the last minute--but much worse for those who bet on them to cover the line.
Speaking of Michigan State, their coaches give the best on-field interviews in the business. I laughed when Mark Dantonio said with a special intensity that the name for the fake punt he called in Sparty's come from behind win against Northwestern was "mousetrap" because "we had to get ‘em to take the cheese." I also laughed because it reminded me of arguably the most hilarious on-field interview in Big Ten history. Cue John L. Smith:
"Power" Rankings are weak if they just mirror actual rankings. Adam Rittenberg put out his weekly "power rankings" column on Monday morning. And surprise, surprise, he has the Michigan State, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Iowa as the top four teams in that order. Really? Those are the four best teams? I could have just looked at the actual conference standings to figure that out. Power rankings might have a place in the NFL, where teams only play 13 of their 31 possible opponents. But in the Big Ten where every team pretty much plays everyone else, there's no need for them, particularly once the conference season has begun in earnest. I suppose I could just not read them, but welcome to the interwebs, where everyone else is an idiot.
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Expectations
I would still rather have a very good team that ends up losing a couple close ones to other good teams and disappointing me, than a bad team that gives me no reason to get my hopes up and loses games by 20 points routinely. We should all want down years or disappointing games for our teams to be the exception, not the norm. It’s just not as much fun being a fan of a team that’s not competitive very often.
Let's Go State!
Ok, I'm Iowa.
My last two coaches are Kirk Ferentz and Hayden Fry. I have never won a national championship. But I am decent at worst.
Now I’m Minnesota. I won a national championship, but my grandfather was a young man when that happened. It has been three years since I’ve scored a point against my archrival Iowa. I am 1-7 this year. I lost to South Dakota. I lost to North Dakota State two years ago. My athletic director cracks jokes, schedules road games with Middle Tennessee State, and says the first coach to get us back to Pasadena for the first time since President John Kennedy gets a statue. My last coach was a cheap motivational speaker and comedy fodder for blogs. My current coach will be gone at the end of the year. I dream of the day when I am disappointed because my lofty expectations for a national title have been smashed even though I still have some hope of making Pasadena.
No, sir, I don’t believe it’s been better to be a Minnesota fan than an Iowa fan or a Wisconsin fan or a Temple fan for a while now.
A wolverine is really just an oversized groundhog. Also, the next man to call a stretch play gets sent to Botany Bay. Beat Michigan.
by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions
P.S. I am Minnesota again
During my most recent loss, ESPNU said some candiates for my coaching position include Mike Leach and Phil Fulmer. Mike Leach? Phil Fulmer? Phil Fulmer?
A wolverine is really just an oversized groundhog. Also, the next man to call a stretch play gets sent to Botany Bay. Beat Michigan.
by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
This reminds me of Fight Club where he reads the goofy medical book that says stuff like “I am Jack’s raging bile duct.”
I am Minnesota’s neverending depression.
He's Mayhem
And he’s about to destroy your satellite dish, your car, and your world.
by dmoney350z on Oct 26, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
shakey, shakey, shakey
(I do love those commercials)
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Oct 26, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Reminds me...
of NBA commentator Hubie Brown.
Opulence, I has it.
by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 26, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Hi, I'm the AD at MinnieHaHa and that's why I crack jokes.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
by DerryPharmer on Oct 26, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I found out why Minnesota scheduled a road game with MTSU
The Minnesota State Fair is still going on during the first week of football stadium, and it’s already hard enough for the Gophers to fill their stadium, so they schedule a road game so they don’t have to compete with the fair too.
Save BSD
by Kyle_Martin on Oct 26, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
HAHA true!
Plus they use a lot on the state fair grounds for tailgaiting parking. True story, there were more Penn State tailgates than Gopher tailgates Saturday in that lot.
"I have my Joe Paterno autograph already, but I don’t know that I’d begrudge anybody else from getting theirs no matter their age. That’s kind of like meeting Winston Churchill." jesse. @ BSD
Who can argue with that logic
They have fried stuff on a stick at the fair. And if memory serves, sculptures made out of butter. The football team can’t hope to complete against that.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Oct 26, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, man
Do you watch Weeds? Funny scene on there where Andy & Silas sign up for a butter sculpture contest to win a Winnebago, thinking they will be sculpting some butter themselves. Turns out the contest is a butter sculpture eating contest, and they try to choke down a sculpted head made out of butter.
my belly gurgled just watching it.
The Indiana Hoosiers: a poor (and less arrogant) man's Michigan
yeah, it was a rather nauseating scene
and it wasn’t like they even did anything gross. Just a few minutes of people very laboriously trying to eat about 10 lbs of butter.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 27, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
in college
my friends and i talked about having a butter/cream cheese eating contest..luckily we were all smart enough to not go through with it
The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.
I would rather be a PSU or Iowa or anyone fan than a Minnesota fan
but I understand how you wouldn’t get that impression from my post.
I feel obliged to clarify myself. The tough thing about rooting for a good solid program a la Penn State is that all of the games matter and all of the losses hurt. The tough thing about rooting for a mediocre/bad program a la Minnesota is that none of the games really matter.
After a crushing loss, like the Illinois Incident or Iowa’s loss to Wiscy, when you feel sick or the really tough ones, when you feel like crying (Michigan 05, Iowa ‘08), it doesn’t make me feel any better to know that things could be worse, I could root for a team that always sucks and whose games, really, don’t matter. That doesn’t make me feel better at all. At those moments, being able to change seats with, to use my analogy above, the Penn State Hoops fan, seems appealing, only because that kind of fandom never hurts so bad. But over time, in the long run, its much better rooting for the programs that have the ability on a consistent basis to make a run for a championship.
Frankly, I like that I have a mix of the good, solid programs (Penn State football, the Steelers) and crappy ones (Penn State hoops, the Pirates) to root for.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
The pirates
Hahahaha.
I’d rather be a Minnesota fan than a pirate fan. At least Minnie has had a winning season in the past 20 years.
by psuphysicist on Oct 26, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Kids have literally been born in Pittsburgh and graduated from high school without having ever seen the Buccos finish the season with a winning record.
by psuphysicist on Oct 26, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I've often wondered about this
I don’t know if all the joy from all the wins I’ve ever seen can ever add up to all the agony I feel from the defeats. Of course the levels aren’t that extreme in either direction for me, but the one bad thing about sports is that the losses always seem to hurt more than the wins feel good. I can’t ever turn away, though.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 26, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Fans of a good team expect the wins.
The losses are usually unexpected and hurt more when you come up just short.
by HawkeyeRecon on Oct 27, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
yea spak
must vehemently disagree with ya here. in no way would i rather be a ’sota fan right now. id rather have a football season to look forward to than be ice fishing.
The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.
I think this is true
It’s easier to be a Minnesota fan TODAY than it is to be an Iowa fan. With their coach fired, Minnesota fans are mentally already in the offseason right now. They get to speculate about who the next coach is going to be, and get excited about how some of the young players are going to be used. Iowa fans, on the other hand, are dealing with the defeat of all their expectations from the last several years. This was THE YEAR for them—one of those rare times when they were actually in the pre-season national championship discussion. Those hopes are over now, and no one is expecting they’ll be able to pick up the pieces and make another NC run for a while. That’s got to be a miserable feeling.
So yes, today I’d rather be a Minnesota fan than an Iowa fan. I’m not sure how long I’d want to stay one though.
by newenglandnittanylion on Oct 26, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions
Considering just how much they lose at the end of the year
Who’s gone next year? Ricky Stanzi. Marvin McNutt, The Invincible DJK, Daniel BLEEPING Murray. Christian Ballard. Ryan Donahue. Julian Vandervelde. Ross Peterson. Troy Johnson. Adrian MOTHERBLEEPING Claymore. Tyler MOTHERBLEEPING Sash. Allen Reisner. Karl BLEEPING Klug.
I have to say that that collection of talent easily rivals the 2002 Iowa squad. All of those players could conceivably play in the NFL (Vikings should take Stanzi; he throws pick sixes but can REALLY win games).
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Correction. Iowa special teams suck this year. And...
McNutt will be a Senior next year, though he may go pro after this season.
I don’t think Iowa will suck next year, ala Minny Goofer, but certainly the expectations will not be as lofty. Their will be a core of good players to build upon.
What disappoints me the most this year is that Iowa has a decent offense and defense, but the special teams play sucks.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Oct 26, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the corrections
Donahue is a good punter though. Not a great snapper but a good punter.
You know Iowa’s offense will show up. But you can’t say which Iowa defense will.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Which for an Iowa fan is a shock.
The offense performing better and more consistent than the defense is unheard of in recent history. And I think the offense could be even more aggressive if KOK would not go all turtle once Iowa gets a lead.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Oct 26, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
What about the 2002 Hawkeyes?
Wait, they had Bob MOTHERBLEEPING Sanders on defense. Never mind.
Soon coming to SBNation: The Peyton's Liberation Army?
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No, not never mind.
Ask anyone at BHGP and they’ll tell you their starting cornerbacks were walking pass interference penalties. Their linebackers were average and their line didn’t get enough pressure to make up for the secondary.
A wolverine is really just an oversized groundhog. Also, the next man to call a stretch play gets sent to Botany Bay. Beat Michigan.
by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ick.
Sounds like the 2004 Badgers. How we won 9 games that year, I’ll never know.
Soon coming to SBNation: The Peyton's Liberation Army?
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd have to look at their schedule
But 9-3 is probably the height of reasonable expectations. At least they return most of the offensive line and Robinson.
A wolverine is really just an oversized groundhog. Also, the next man to call a stretch play gets sent to Botany Bay. Beat Michigan.
by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Vandenberg (sic?)
What do BHGP members think of him? Definite heir apparent to Captain America?
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't heard anything bad about Vandenberg.
He performed as best as can be expected last year when Stanzi was out with the ankle injury. After the game last Sat. I was listening to a post game radio show and one caller thought Kirk should have put Vandy in for the last drive as he did so well on that last drive at Ohio St. last year that got us to overtime. So mush post game second guessing. I don’t see much of a let down at QB next year.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Oct 26, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
What's sad is
I bet they have a much better offensive line then we do, and that alone will keep them in 95% of the games they play.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
Oh, but think of the fun we'll have in the offseason
a whole bunch of RBs should be available next year. We get to speculate over which ones and how many (Over / under: 3) will be struck down before the season starts or in the first couple of games.
Bonus game, how will it happen? Sure the easy money is on more ACL hate, but it’s the creative ones that really make this game fun! * sighs and shakes head *
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Oct 26, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
My bet
is on a single torn labrum suffered in some total bizarre-ness that garners an epic facepalm Kirk Ferentz.
Whatever you do this year, BEAT OHIO STATE. And Minnesota.
Soon coming to SBNation: The Peyton's Liberation Army?
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
if only you guys would change your strength and conditioning program.
I hear that solves all injury problems
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 27, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
they can still have a GREAT year in my book
and my eternal gratitude by beating O$U and ending all this garbage about them winning 6 consecutive big10 championships without ever mentioning that 2 are “shared” with the team that beat them. i want to drop kick my tv everytime i hear that
The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.
Problem is
that game will definitely be a toss-up. So much can happen as far as injuries to both teams between then and now.
If Ohio State’s defense defends Adam Robinson like they did John Clay, they’re going to take a hard fall in Kinnick. If they show up like they did against Miami, though, Iowa is going to have a rough day.
Bottom line in my book? Should be a great game.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
very true
and osu usually comes together in november. i just hope pryor has a bad game like hes prone to do. thatd make it a lot easier for iowa
The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.
I predict
no less than 2 stanzi balls and 3 pryor arm punts
by psuphysicist on Oct 26, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
BUT
will those armpunts come in the redzone and all be intercepted, killing OSU’s offense?
Soon coming to SBNation: The Peyton's Liberation Army?
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
hypothetical scenario
MSU comes to Happy Valley undefeated. A win gets them to at least the Rose Bowl, if not the MNC game. A loss gets them a tie for Big Ten Champions with OSU, giving OSU a record number of consecutive B10 championships that will likely never be topped in the conference championship game era. The loss also potentially propels OSU to the Rose Bowl (not sure what the rules are now for selection if there’s no head-to-head game between the co-champs).
I know I can’t ever root against PSU, and man will having to watch MSU go undefeated, but at least there would be some joy in OSU’s “streak” ending.
Of course if Iowa would just beat OSU outright, we won’t have to think about such a scenario.
by The JuggerNitt on Oct 26, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Lord
I wish I could tell people at ATO about this. Rooting for Michigan to beat Wisconsin JUST so Ohio State could potentially win the Big Ten (should that situation EVER exist) is soul-tainting. You will never get over it. Ever. Why? Because I will take their names for rooting for Michigan in any game outside the postseason (and that’s assuming they make it).
Soon coming to SBNation: The Peyton's Liberation Army?
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh. that would be an awful scenario
The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.
thank you
you’ve summed up my feelings well. i wish i had done as good a job myself in the post.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
John L Smith
The funniest damn coach since I don’t know when
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun
He said
“unlikely”
They need to run more tests, but his gut feel is he won’t be ready.
The guy's obviously nuts, but...
…I give him a ton of credit for not swearing! You could tell he wanted to say certain cuss words and he caught himself every time and used something more family friendly.
Like I said in an earlier post…he was entertaining.
No idea how this ended up here.
Meant for psu’s post above on John L. This post wasn’t even here when I started typing the above.
Just like McGloin's traffic directing skills
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Iowa
will get no sympathy from me!
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions
My favorite part is that...
…Rambler has more cred there than a lot of Iowa posters do.
Well, that, and the comment about defecating into one’s hand, sticking a candle in it and throwing it at Bielema, or something to that effect.
Probably because I have more comments than some of the front page guys and especially the crazies.
A wolverine is really just an oversized groundhog. Also, the next man to call a stretch play gets sent to Botany Bay. Beat Michigan.
by ReadingRambler on Oct 26, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
you must have gotten a memory card upgrade
you are like 18 gigs now.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun
The crazies
are easy to spot, right?
You can usually spot OSU crazies (i.e., BuckeyeSki) a couple dozen blogs away.
You can't be serious, man! You cannot be serious! His foot was on the line! It was ON THE LINE! He was clearly out! How could you possibly call him in!?
"I'm going to award a point against you, Mr. OBrienSchofieldismyHero."
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Oct 26, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude's becoming a superstar
Probably much to surprisington’s chagrin.
The Indiana Hoosiers: a poor (and less arrogant) man's Michigan
"Probably"?
When did you learn how to read people’s inner thoughts, jtot?
A wolverine is really just an oversized groundhog. Also, the next man to call a stretch play gets sent to Botany Bay. Beat Michigan.
by ReadingRambler on Oct 27, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
It was supposition, a totally viable device in blogistan, as you know. Apologies for disrespecting a presumed perception of your contributions there.
I do think it’s cool that so many pantsers have come to respect you so.
The Indiana Hoosiers: a poor (and less arrogant) man's Michigan
For those that prefer a little more scientific evidence
http://www.debralieberman.com/downloads/courses/625/Hirt_et_al_1992.pdf
To summarize some of the findings in both of these studies:
- Fans who experience loss on a consistent basis tend to suffer from lack of self-esteem in other areas of their life, such as job performance and finding a mate.
- But these same losing (and depressed) fans also benefit from an acquired ability to better analyze and deal with trauma in real life. When you’ve been eating sports lemons your whole life, real life lemons just don’t taste so sour.
if life gives you lemons
find somebody whos life gave them vodka and have a party
The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.
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