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With Michigan coming up on the schedule this week, we turned to our friend Dave at Maize-n-Brew to give us some perspective on the Wolverines.

It should be a pretty exciting atmosphere on Saturday night. The student section has declared a Whiteout. It's prime time under the lights. Are the old farts in Ann Arbor ever going to allow you guys to host night games? Or are they too dedicated to the noon starts so they can get out in time for the early bird special at Bob Evans?

Haha! The joke's on you, my friend! Lights are indeed coming to Michigan Stadium, as early as the 2012 Michigan Notre Dame game which will be the first night game in Michigan Stadium history. The luxury boxes were built not only to help increase crowd noise and bring in buckets and buckets of wonderful money, but to support permanent lights. So, when we host our first night game, your record for the largest attendance at a night football game will be ours. Muhahahahaha!

And Bob Evans is delicious. How dare you mock the early bird special.

Star-divide

How would you say this season has met your preseason expectations so far? Have you readjusted your expectations at all now that we are midway through the season?

Well, I said 8-5 with a bowl win, so right now I'm pretty much dead on. I actually was asked about changing my expectations when Michigan went to 5-0 and I responded with a resounding "are you kidding me?" I said Michigan would be great on offense and suck like a Hoover on defense. So far this season is dead on with what I predicted back in early September:

• Wins: UMass, Bowling Green, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue (this is close to a toss up, but I can't see Purdue winning 3 straight, I just can't. Yes, this is my own prejudice showing through, but it's my blog.).

 

• Toss ups: UConn, Notre Dame, Michigan State, Penn State, Iowa. (Wait, how can you say PSU and Iowa are toss ups!? Here's why: Michigan almost beat Iowa last season with two freshmen quarterbacks, without it's best offensive lineman, and a defense comprised of one superstar and ten pieces of bubblegum. Iowa struggles against Michigan's spread, so I think this is a possible win. As for Penn State, I'm just not buying the Lions with a crappy, unproven quarterback. I'm also not buying that their linebacking corps will be anywhere near as effective as it was last season. You can't just replace all those upperclassmen and not have a drop off.) If Michigan wins two of these games, they're at 7 wins.

 

• Losses: Wisconsin and Ohio State. (I'm not sold on OSU, but they're still the better program right now. Injuries and the general smiteiness of life may change how I see this, but I'm thinking it's a loss. Wisconsin? We're going to get curb stomped. Power running game against a spread defense? We're screwed.)

That's right Penn State fans, you featured prominently in my Toss-up section and just like the above, it's pretty much dead on. I think the game's going to be pretty competitive based on the incompetence of Penn State's offense and Michigan's horrific defensive secondary. If I was to change any of these prognostications, it'd be to move Illinois to the Toss-up section.

There is a lot of pressure on Rich Rodriguez to show some kind of improvement over the past two disappointing seasons. Some people are saying this is a "must win" game for not only the Wolverines, but Rodriguez personally. Do you agree?

Not really. A "must win" is a game you have to win or go home for the season. This isn't that kind of game for either team. It would be nice to get a win in Happy Valley because it appears through the first 8-9 weeks of the season that Michigan is operating at a marginally higher level than the Lions. But, it's still a night game at Penn State and strange things happen under the lights.

I think as long as the Wolverines continue show improvement on defense and clean up the turnover issues, the whole "DICKROD HOTSEAT LOL!" thing will start to go away. The improvement on the offense and defensive line is pretty staggering, and once Michigan finally has some numbers on defense I think this will eventually be a pretty good fit for coach and program.

The last time Penn State fans saw Denard Robinson was when Rodriguez threw him in the game late in place of an ineffective Tate Forcier to try to spark a comeback. Denard then proceeded to hit Navorro Bowman right in the numbers in a horribly thrown pass. His SportsCenter highlights of 80-yard touchdown runs against Notre Dame and Indiana are already legendary, but how would you evaluate him as a passer this year?

Before the last two games I probably would've gone off on a rant about how Denard could kill a sparrow at 17,000 feet with a well timed fly route. But the MSU and Iowa games have shaken that confidence a tad. Denard's passing has improved dramatically over the last year and his performances up to the MSU game showed that. I think the MSU game rattled him a tad because he was seeing different defenses than he'd seen before and started second guessing his reads. He chucked two INTs that should've been touchdowns against MSU because he trailed an open receiver. The third, he just put up a bomb to the wrong side of his receiver and into the trailing double coverage. Ugh.

Naturally, we've come to find out that Denard had a shoulder issue similar to the injury that hampered Tate Forcier last season (is it okay to panic?). We were also later told that it wasn't as bad as Forcier's injury, and that some rest would allow it to go back to 100% by the PSU game (so, no, no panicking yet). Denard was very accurate up to the MSU game, but since then his placement and consistency has fallen off. I'm chalking that up to injury and inexperience.

That said, the bye week could not have come at a better time. It (hopefully) will allow him time to heal and time to catch his breath. I'd say he and Tate are at about the same level of competency in the offense, just that Denard's got a much stronger arm. Personally, I think he's a pretty good passer when healthy. However, if he's actually dinged up, he's basically the same as injured Tate in the passing game last year at this time, but much, much faster.

With the way Rodriguez hands him the ball 25 times per game and he accounts for 75% of the Michigan offense, it's easy for fans of other teams to wonder if Michigan has any other cards they can play. Is there any concern from Michigan fans that the offense is a one-man show?

Not really. Sure Denard was dominating the stat sheet up to the Iowa game, but when he went out a number of different players brought the Wolverines to within a touchdown of Iowa. Tate, Darryl Stonum, Junior Hemingway, Stephen Hopkins. It only seems like a one man show because you can link passing and rushing stats together, but the receivers have to be open for the gaudy passing stats to develop.

More importantly, I think nowhere near enough credit is being given to the job the offensive line is doing setting up both the run and the pass. Denard, Michael Shaw, Vincent Smith, Tate, and/or Hopkins wouldn't be lighting up the scoreboards and stat sheets if it wasn't for the job the line is doing. I think you'll see more of backs like Shaw and Hopkins as the season rolls on and less of Denard with the ball, but I still expect Denard to be in the 15-20 carries range because he simply is that electric with the ball in his hands.

It's so unusual to us to see Michigan teams that don't play good defense. What are the contributing factors as you see them?

Man. If I had a dime for this one..... The answer is the same as it was last year: Injuries, recruits that didn't pan out, bad recruiting from the prior regime, linebackers that aren't very good, etc. The biggest reason for the OMG FLOP! of the Michigan defense is that there are NO senior leaders on this team that are any good. There are three relevant seniors in Greg Banks, Jonas Mouton and Obi Ezeh. Ezeh, as you're probably well aware of having run over him repeatedly last season, is awful and has found a permanent (please god, let this be true) seat on the bench. Banks and Mouton are decent but by no means dominant Big Ten players. After that? Nothing. No redshirt seniors. All the Juniors are natural juniors who could've used that extra year.

Realizing the lack of depth, Rodriguez has recruited to fill the needs of the defense the last two years. Sadly, two of those recruits didn't qualify, one transferred, and the rest are exactly what you'd think, Freshmen. Rodriguez basically has had two recruiting seasons because he came on so late in the process in 2008, that all he could do was hold onto Carr's old recruits. Over the last two years, Rodriguez has played an ungodly number of freshmen and underclassmen trying to get them experience and find a solution to the numbers game. But sadly playing freshmen means you're playing freshmen and that handcuffs you down the line when you don't have the luxury of extra redshirt bodies to put in the game. The defense is getting better and hopefully will improve as the season goes on. But because of the lack of numbers on defense, the number of underclassmen in starting roles and the limited value of the seniors he's got, Rodriguez' defenses have struggled.

Care to make a prediction?

Michigan 31 Penn State 24

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Bob Evans

Ironically the only time I’ve ever eaten at a Bob Evans was when I was in Ann Arbor for the game in 05.

by state08 on Oct 28, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

their wildfire bbq sauce is fantastic

The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.

by jman07 on Oct 28, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

That photo looks like an extremely awkward situation

Clearly Sheridan isn’t in on the joke, or Tater and Denard are laughing hysterically that Sheridan is posing for a QB squad picture.

by dawsonPSU10 on Oct 28, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Caption Contest?

Sheridan: “No seriously, guys. Coach said I have a chance to be the starter.”

by BSD on Oct 28, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

"A MICHIGAN MAN SHOULD QUARTERBACK MICHIGAN"

Can you feel a little love? Dream on; dream on

by ckmneon on Oct 28, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Do these pants make me look fat?"

Can you feel a little love? Dream on; dream on

by ckmneon on Oct 28, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sheridan: "It's true,

traditionally, quarterbacks are expected to pass, while tailbacks do most of the running."

"A team that defeats a far inferior team has accomplished nothing." - R. Engle
Go State. Beat Michigan. Accomplish nothing.

by Illegal Formation on Oct 28, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sheridan: "Seriously,

those practices are supposed to be optional."

"A team that defeats a far inferior team has accomplished nothing." - R. Engle
Go State. Beat Michigan. Accomplish nothing.

by Illegal Formation on Oct 28, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Easiest rec there ever was

"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."

by Adam Collyer on Oct 28, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

gerg thinks our defense wont be the worst in the big 10?

The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.

by jman07 on Oct 28, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tate:

/crying, screaming in agony

“What!! We are running out of the shotgun!!! But I want to put my hands under center!”

by jrock4 on Oct 28, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody does

quarterbacks a bad team, gets benched for a guy who can’t throw, looks bi-curious in every photo (obligatory NTTAWWT), whatever.

You just keep on trucking, Tater.

Can you feel a little love? Dream on; dream on

by ckmneon on Oct 28, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

i picture tater saying

“slap hands, slap hands” like the water boy

or even better, “look what i can do” like stuart off of MADtv

The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.

by jman07 on Oct 28, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

More questions for Maize n Brew

1) What was it like working with Alger Hiss?
2) How much money did Ed Martin give you before he died?
3) The Internationale or Gosudarstvenniy Gimn SSSR
4) When Carr says “I’m going fishing for walleye”, is that some sort of Michigan code for hookers and coke binges in Detroit?

A wolverine is really just an oversized groundhog. Also, the next man to call a stretch play gets sent to Botany Bay. Beat Michigan.

by ReadingRambler on Oct 28, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Horrible, horrible, horrible jokes.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And?

Clearly you don’t know me well.

A wolverine is really just an oversized groundhog. Also, the next man to call a stretch play gets sent to Botany Bay. Beat Michigan.

by ReadingRambler on Oct 28, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

for it to be politics

it would have to include a politician. Not sure Kwame qualifies.

by The JuggerNitt on Oct 28, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

How long are Michigan fans going to complain about recruits from the "prior regime"

NOT ONCE in my entire life have I heard complaints about any of Rip Engle’s recruits, NOT ONCE!

John has a long moustache

by AdamShell on Oct 28, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

see, THIS is funny.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Soon enough

Can you feel a little love? Dream on; dream on

by ckmneon on Oct 28, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what's funny?

A 9 game losing streak to Michigan. To be fair, Michigan did have a 9 game losing streak to one team in its history – Minnesota – but that streak ended when Joe Pa was 16 years old…

by georgiablue on Oct 28, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what else is funny?

A man in womens clothing.

Also, glitter farts and spirit fingers.

by psuphysicist on Oct 28, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Know what else is funny?

You. You’re extremely funny.

A wolverine is really just an oversized groundhog. Also, the next man to call a stretch play gets sent to Botany Bay. Beat Michigan.

by ReadingRambler on Oct 28, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The vast majority of those years

Michigan had a superior team to Penn State. The notable exceptions are 2002 and 2005. In those games, poor officiating decisions in the final quarter / OT led to Michigan winning. I’m not saying the refs gave the game to Michigan or even that the refs overall were pro-Michigan biased, but I will say that without a clear Mike Hart fumble, recovered by PSU, being called down, and the ridiculousness that was the 2002 OT game, PSU wins those two games.

Can you feel a little love? Dream on; dream on

by ckmneon on Oct 29, 2010 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

BHGP wrote a brilliant piece

A brief part of which was a contrast between RichRod and Danny Hope. Not only does Hopehave a better Big Ten record, but has more Big Ten wins in fewer years than RichRod, and also has a win over Ohio State.

Did Lloyd Carr, who finished his career with a team who went into the last week of the season with a mathematical shot at the Big Ten (2005) and followed that with 2 top ten teams (2006, 2007), really leave the cabinets more bare than Purdue? Does anybody really believe that?

Can you feel a little love? Dream on; dream on

by ckmneon on Oct 28, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

intentionally? no.

did Michigan lose 20+ Carr players to reasons other than graduation? Yes.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of those 20+ how many reasons were one Richard Rodriguez?

Wait a minute, I thought the snake oil salesman said none of those guys could help him.

by Frank O'Brien on Oct 28, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe…5?

Boren (at OSU)
Clemons (at Colorado)
Wermers (not playing anywhere)
Zion Babb (not playing anywhere)
Artis Chambers (not playing anywhere)

The rest were a cocktail of injury, and playing time considerations.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Was Mallett an injury or a playing time consideration?

by Nittany Lawyer on Oct 28, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mallett was a hybrid of none of the above:

1. Mallett was notorious for poor behavior, and had transer papers shoved at him by Lloyd Carr twice as a freshman.

2. Mallett had, by his own admission, always wanted to play for hometown Arkansas. He didn’t go there because he didn’t want to be in the class behing Mitch Mustain.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll actually agree with you here.

I have heard that Mallett was (and likely continues to be) a giant douchea.

@EpicTripod
SBN - Pittsburgh
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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 28, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Quarterback with Daddy Issues

Is far worse than a stripper with the same.

The Indiana Hoosiers: a poor (and less arrogant) man's Michigan

by jtothep on Oct 28, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

That's their story and they're sticking to it.

Or did the players Carr recruited not “fit” with the RichRod system, a system he still insisted on implementing with players that couldn’t play in it? I’ll never understand that…

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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 28, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

would you hire Guz Malzahn to run the Navy Wishbone?

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. But I also wouldn't run a run and shoot basketball offense with a bunch of Manute Bols.

I’d play to the players I have strengths until such time as I could implement my style of play.

@EpicTripod
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor

by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 28, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, then if you were the AD of Navy, you WOULD make Malzahn run the wishbone then, for at least two years.

That’s sensible.

Don’t you sort of think that Rodriguez’s past success was somewhat predicated on the offensive playbook he created, and asking him to replicate Carr’s sort of…misses the point? Why not just hire Mike DeBord and call it a day?

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rodriguez success was definitely predicated on his style of offense.

I’m not saying he shouldn’t run it. I’m saying he should have run whatever offense gave UM the best chance of winning in 08/09, and it doesn’t appear that offense was the spread. Now that he’s sort of getting “his guys” in, he can alter what was Carr’s style into his own.

My point is that the drastic switch of play was as much to blame as the players who were ill-equipped or unable to play in that new style.

@EpicTripod
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor

by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 28, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh, he had an entire offensive line that hand’t played a snap in their career. An entire WR corps that hadn’t played a snap in their career. 3 QB’s that hadn’t played a snap in their career.

These were all inexperienced guys – might as well show all these sophomores (that’s what they were) how they’re gonna play the next 3 years – right? Michigan STILL wouldn’t be running his scheme yet had he not done it – their entire OL was at Michigan when he started.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Great college coaches find ways to win

And schemes that work for the talent they have. Saying ‘eff it, deal with sucking for 2 years so we can see if my system works in 3 or 4’ does a disservice to the fans and to the current players on the team.

I’m not saying he needed to have 2 National title contenders for those few years, but come on, you’re Michigan. You are supposed to be competitive every year. The talent was certainly there

by psuphysicist on Oct 28, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

it wasn’t. The offense has 10 1st time starters. And most of those were holdovers – so it’s wasn’t as if Rodriguez stripped the lineup of Carr guys to get his freshmen in.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

But of the Carr guys, how many of them were initially recruited to play in a system like Rodriguez'?

Certain coaches recruit certain type players. Carr recruited these guys for what he thought would be his system. RR took over and coached an entirely different system.

Do you think Chip Kelly would go to Wisconsin or Iowa, the homes of Big Effin Mudders, and immediately run his turbo offense?

@EpicTripod
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor

by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 28, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think Chip Kelly would go to Wisconsin or Iowa, the homes of Big Effin Mudders, and immediately run his turbo offense?

Yes.

I’m going to have to find a link to the Smart Football article that explains this better, but trying to run a mishmash of both systems as you transition from old to new just ensures that neither gets run well. It’s accomplishing little in the short-term and hindering your long-term progress.

by GCS on Oct 28, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK. So then...

Running a mishmash doesn’t work.
Running the new coach’s system doesn’t work.

What do you do? Or what does Smart Football say to do?

@EpicTripod
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor

by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 28, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, the problem is, running the old coach’s system doesn’t work either, especially with all the inexperienced players Michigan had to use that year (as chitownblue has mentioned before).

The best option, according to them, was to go full bore on the new system, take the inevitable lumps, and get people indoctrinated to it as soon as possible. It’s accepting that 2008 isn’t going to be that good anyways, and taking the path that helps most for 2010.

by GCS on Oct 28, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, I found the article here and a comment that best summarizes what I’m trying explain here.

by GCS on Oct 28, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That seemed to work OK for Florida.

Chris Leak wasn’t exactly running the offense that Tim Tebow and Alex Smith ran for Meyer. They ran a hybrid.

"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."

by Adam Collyer on Oct 28, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leak is considerably better than anyone RichRod had in 2008. Considerably.

by Other Chris on Oct 28, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Surely you rememeber the complaints about Meyer trying to fit a square peg in a round hole… right up until they destroyed Ohio State for the MNC.

by GCS on Oct 28, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I'm aware.

I’m also aware that Leak is better than anyone Rodriguez had in 2008. That being said, that Meyer spread option game plan was absolutely a dumbed down version of the one that Alex Smith and Tim Tebow ran so effectively. It was vastly more tailored to Chris Leak’s style.

I felt bad for the kid at the time, but he was competent and Meyer tried to utilize his talent as well as possible. I don’t think you can say the same for Steven Threet.

"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."

by Adam Collyer on Oct 28, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you subtly shifted your argument into something I can agree with. He was still running his stuff, just focusing on the parts that Leak could do well. I doubt the line and skilled players outside of QB saw much of a change at all between 2006 and 2007.

As for your second paragraph, I think you’re greatly overestimating the amount of talent redshirt freshman Threet had for Rodriguez to utilize, especially when stuck behind a line that has an eerie resemblance to this year’s PSU line.

by GCS on Oct 28, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's what I meant the entire time, but

I may have been unclear in my original formulation. I suppose I wouldn’t claim that coaches should change the entirety of their offense, but they should emphasize the skill sets of the players they have.

I’m not convinced that Rodriguez has done that. Threet’s not an incredible ball player, but he would have been, at worst, a better than serviceable drop back QB. Rodriguez didn’t alter his spread option to suit that style of play, and as a result, you had a traditional QB playing a position that demands a skilled running QB when there was no other option available. It has to be Rodriguez that adapts to that, not a kid who literally cannot change his genetics.

"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."

by Adam Collyer on Oct 28, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Threet’s not an incredible ball player, but he would have been, at worst, a better than serviceable drop back QB.

You weren’t really watching then. Threet was regularly throwing the ball over the heads of wide open receivers that year. Hell, the reason Sheridan started the Utah game was because Rodriguez couldn’t trust Threet to throw a bubble screen accurately. There was no way that a Threet-led pass-heavy offense was going to succeed.

by GCS on Oct 28, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re doing it now.

Would we agree Michigan has a good running game? Well 5 of the top 6 OL on the roster are Carr recuits.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

But all of this ignores the defensive struggles.

I see the points you guys are making on offense, and I understand what you guys are saying there- it makes a little bit more sense to me. I’d like some more insight from a Michigan perspective about the other side of the ball

by psuphysicist on Oct 28, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think “changing scheme” is to blame for the defenses struggles. I think Rodriguez initially hired a good DC (now at Syracuse) with whom, for reasons unbeknownst to me, he failed to get along.

By ditching him, Michigan was sentenced to changing defensive scheme 3 times in 3 years – and that undeniably fucked with guys like Ezeh – someone with tons of athleticism who is nearly paralyzed by indecision.

This is something I feel Rodriguez has done badly. Some of it is out his control – he lost 3 CBs in the past 2 years to:

-early NFL entrance
-behavior poor enough to get kicked out
-exploding ankles

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I can understand things getting a bit out of control given those circumstances. It just baffles me that such a traditionally solid defensive team could transform that much.

If a crazy offensive transition could work anywhere, it needs to be at a school with a defense that can hold down the fort for a few years. Michigan should have been that kind of place. You aren’t going to get 10 wins, but a down year should still be 7-5, 6-6 at the worst.

by psuphysicist on Oct 28, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Rodriguez’s handling of defensive coaching personel is probably the most legitimate complaint that one can raise against him, and it’s one I probably share.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look, a more valid argument is this:

Michigan, with certain personel in place, did them a disservice by hiring a coach that couldn’t work with their skillset.

That’s a somewhat valid point – to say that they should have hired a Harbaugh or a similar pro-style coach, as it meshed with their current roster.

I don’t think it’s reasonable to say that Rodriguez should have played Lloyd ball.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think thats what baffled me about the RichRod hire. It seemed pretty clear that he didn’t fit with the previous regimes.

If I wasn’t so blatantly anti-RichRod, I would put more blame on the Michigan program for the hire. I just prefer to hate RichRod and blame him more than he probably deserves

by psuphysicist on Oct 28, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I said he should have played Lloyd ball.

But, IMO, he should have done a better job coaching his players to the skillsets they had.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 28, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

The QBs he had have yet to show any tangible skillsets on the field. Threet looked promising for a minute there at ASU but even that has since fallen apart.

by Other Chris on Oct 28, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I don’t think Chip Kelly would go to Wisconsin or Iowa.

by blue-imafreak on Oct 28, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand Michigan fans' loyalty to RichRod

and I understand their hope for the future. I just want to go back in time to the end of the 2007 season and tell them, “if you let Carr go, your team will go 3-9 and 5-7 in the first two years, and that will be followed by a 1-2 start in the following Big Ten season. You will lose 3 straight to MSU, 2 straight to Ohio State, and go 2-1 against Notre Dame, but be very, very close to 0-3. You will be on the losing end of 2 epic beatdowns from Penn State. I promise you, at the 2.5 year mark, this will be the case. Are you still going to do it?” Now I know Lloyd wasn’t technically fired, but yeah, he sorta was.

There’s no right or wrong answer. Maybe RichRod will make Michigan great again. I don’t know; I can’t see the future. But would you still do it?

Can you feel a little love? Dream on; dream on

by ckmneon on Oct 28, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you think Lloyd was fired, you’re so ignorant of Michigan football that anything you say cannot possibly have an ounce of validity. I’m sorry, but it’s true.

No – if we knew that 8-16 was coming over the next two years, I’m sure nobody would have been on board.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if Lloyd had been healthy

he wasn’t going to be allowed back. His job was as good as over as soon as App St blocked that FG. mgoblog compared him to Bump Elliot. I know he wasn’t fired, I also know that he wasn’t going to be allowed to coach another year.

Either way, why then do Michigan fans feel a burning desire to defend him, especially when he’s had NCAA allegations and a terrible graduation rate? Why can’t just one Michigan blogger say something to to effect of, “We maybe probably made a huge mistake”

Can you feel a little love? Dream on; dream on

by ckmneon on Oct 28, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

hhhmmm..,

Well, the teams’ GPA is the best ever. The poor APR (what I think you’re referring to as “graduation rate”) is the result of the assloads of transfers, not kids failing to do their schoolwork.

I think you’re patently confused about Carr, but it’s not worth pursuing.

As to your last point, look – if we go 6-6 or some shit this year, I’ll write a post title “We Made a Huge Mistake” on my blog. I’ll do it if we 7-5 this year and hover around that again next year.

At this point, there are plenty of extenuating circumstances, in my opinion.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you think by three years in, the extenuating circumstances should be gone?

The shady real estate deals. The lingering WVU investigation. The lingering UM investigation. The questionable recruits (is Demar Dorsey a Michigan man?).

These things have no bearing on football (mostly), but they have got to weigh on the minds of the higher ups and the rest of the coaching staff, let alone the players.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 28, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does his poor business sense re: the real estate mean to his ability to coach? I truly don’t care.

Dorsey – we had a kid not make it – like 118 other D-I schools in the past 5 years. Big whoop.

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by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said, it means nothing to football.

But it exists. And people bring it up. And ask about it. Like Joe’s age, RR will get these questions. And then it takes away from football.

And Dorsey is just one. Would Bo or Lloyd have recruited that kid? Penn State has certainly lost their share of recruits. But it seems to me, without knowing every detail of every target of the RR recruiting process, that they are going after certain kids that wouldn’t have had a chance to be in a Michigan uniform ten years ago.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 28, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would Lloyd have recrutied Dorsey specifically? Maybe, maybe not.

And look, lets keep our eyes open about what college football really is. Carr had a host of players that most, I think, would be ashamed to admit wore Michigan uniforms. I’m sure PSU is the same.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lloyd may well have recruited Dorsey; it was apparently Vance Bedford’s endorsement of the kid’s character (this was while Bedford was DBs coach at Florida) to the current Michigan staff that inspired the coaches to contact him.

by YpsiTerrier on Oct 28, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would.

I bet Malzahn could run any offense out there, and then add wrinkles… He’s a pretty sharp coach. Just saying.

by psuwxman on Oct 28, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have now answered my nagging concern of “Why psuwxman is not a major University AD.”

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice response.

A wolverine is really just an oversized groundhog. Also, the next man to call a stretch play gets sent to Botany Bay. Beat Michigan.

by ReadingRambler on Oct 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, to his credit, psuwaxman makes it clear he has no idea what went on in Malzahn’s tenure at Arkansas.

by GCS on Oct 28, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose

I should lay sarcasm on a little thicker in the future, eh?

by psuwxman on Oct 28, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought your MO was to make it a little thinner

The Indiana Hoosiers: a poor (and less arrogant) man's Michigan

by jtothep on Oct 28, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's my response

from the last time this was brought up: http://www.offtackleempire.com/2010/10/18/1756502/grahams-week-7-notes-whats-the-best-conference-in-america-can-msu-go#49670940

It charts every defensive recruit from 2005-7 and what happened to them. You might be surprised how few recruits there were, and how many of them left for reasons other than Rodriguez.

by Dan TrueBlue on Oct 29, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love getting analysis from the other bloggers

so thanks a lot, Dave!

I personally think that PSU is going to have a FG-fest like every other game this season, while special teams keeps Michigan starting further back than they’d like all game. I don’t see many punts, but a longer field for Michigan = more opportunities for turnovers. If PSU is gonna win, it’ll be something like 23-21. If they lose, then I’m expecting a full 38-16 blowout.

It all comes down to whether we can get the special teams breaks and force turnovers like we know this Michigan offense can give up.

by dbl5030 on Oct 28, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

What's with all the talk about Michigan's offense...

that’s the least of their problems. They’ve had two subpar years because the defense stinks. This year they will probably end up around 7-5 give or take a win. RichRod will be in “trouble” going forward if he can’t start beating Ohio St. and challenging for Big 10 titles, which he won’t do if things on the defensive side of the ball don’t turn around.

Opulence, I has it.

by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 28, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I think JoePa needs to make sure he has a ‘spy’ on Denard.

by blue-imafreak on Oct 28, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Silence! Don't try it.

Some of us read MGOBLOG, friend.

A wolverine is really just an oversized groundhog. Also, the next man to call a stretch play gets sent to Botany Bay. Beat Michigan.

by ReadingRambler on Oct 28, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could I…drink him? No…

Don't celebration when you score goal

by Big Boutros on Oct 28, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if there's beer on the sun!

A wolverine is really just an oversized groundhog. Also, the next man to call a stretch play gets sent to Botany Bay. Beat Michigan.

by ReadingRambler on Oct 28, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't stop at "a spy"

That implies only one. I’m thinking 2 LBs and a safety doing nothing but stalking Denard all game. If Michigan’s RBs and DR’s arm are going to outscore whatever PSU can do against the worst defense PSU has seen all year, so be it, if that’s the case, PSU loses this game anyway.

Can you feel a little love? Dream on; dream on

by ckmneon on Oct 28, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

We need “spies” not just a “spy.” End contain, LB spy, and third level spies. Kind of like the reverse offense where every player is a QB…on defense, every player is a Denard spy.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 28, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember some ESPN talking head

talking about the 0-16 Detroit Lions team, saying the defensive meetings when playing the Lions must be funny:

Coach: OK does everybody know who Calvin Johnson is?
Players: yes
Coach: We’re going to double him all game long.
Players: ok
Coach: Don’t hear the play in the huddle? Go cover Calvin Johnson. Don’t understand an audible? Go cover Calvin Johnson. Forget your assignment on a play? Go cover Calvin Johnson. Don’t like a playcall? Go cover Calvin Johnson. Got it?
Players: yep
Coach: OK, this week’s prep is over.

That’s what I imagine defensive meetings against Michigan should be like, obviously, with Denard playing CJ.

Can you feel a little love? Dream on; dream on

by ckmneon on Oct 28, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please tell me your name is Tom Bradley.

http://www.wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

by chitownblue on Oct 28, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Indiana Hoosiers: a poor (and less arrogant) man's Michigan

by jtothep on Oct 28, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Denard running the football

is the difference between Michigan being 5-2 and 2-5 with losses to UMass and Indiana right now. Multi spies and contain ends are the best way to try to shut that down.

Does that open up other things? Sure, but the bottom line is this: if Michigan is able to score enough points with those things, Michigan is going to win anyway. If I were Tom Bradley, I’d be willing to take my chances.

Can you feel a little love? Dream on; dream on

by ckmneon on Oct 28, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its a little off topic but

I found this great website that pays you $77 an hour posting links on websites

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Kz6Rw99Kk

Seriously though, worth watching- even you Michigan guys may get a laugh out of it. If you are at work, I’d put some headphones on before watching it.

by psuphysicist on Oct 28, 2010 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

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