Grading the Penn State Defense - Iowa Edition
The Penn State defense is not excellent. Understatement of the year, but let's get that out of the way up front and work back toward some other adjectives. Actually, let's set up the other bookend for an additional reference point:
Penn State held an improving senior quarterback and some excellent veteran receivers to 17 points on the road in a hostile environment. So they're likely swimming somewhere in the oceans of grey area between excellent and garbage. Let's find out how close to which shore by twisting the grading model a bit and assigning by quarters.
First Quarter
Iowa had three possessions, sandwiched around three PSU three-and-outs. The first one, they absolutely marched down the field, 77 yards. Some things that drive saw:
- Chris Colasanti with terrible instincts and slow footspeed (the Brett Morse 9 yard catch for a 1st down)
- Missed tackles by Ollie Ogbu and Michael Mauti (the Adam Robinson 4 yard run to the PSU 48)
- Young Stephon Morris getting schooled by veterans Ricky Stanzi & Marvin McNutt (in his mouf) on a pretty pass and even prettier over-the-shoulder catch
- Colasanti with great instincts, a foot stumble and a totally missed TFL (the Robinson run for 6 to the PSU 3)
- Catching a break on an Iowa false start
- A beastly shed of the RG (couldn't tell if it was MacMillan or Gettis) by Ogbu a TFL at the 9
- D'Anton Lynn going man to man vs Robinson until help arrived, forcing the FG
The second drive ended after allowing one first down with Nick Sukay being in great position (!) to grab his third interception of the year, Stanzi's second.
The third drive saw Bani Gbadyu make the right read on Allen Reisner, but overpursue allowing a 9 yard gain. No indication from the coaches whether that play was the impetus for bringing in Glenn Carson at LB for his first 1st-half action this season (Bani was back in later in the series). Mauti then accepted an easy block from Robinson, springing Stanzi for a 1st-down scramble. Eric Latimore made a fine, if meekly blocked, TFL on Robinson, but then we had no pressure for two plays while Stanzi found Reisner open in the middle of the field (once on Nate Stupar, once on Andrew Dailey). Pete Massaro finally penetrated, but Robinson went right around him, and then Derrell Johnson-Koulianos was allowed to walk untouched to the back of the endzone, as Morris froze on an underneath bite, while an all-day-protected Stanzi drew Sukay up for the same, then blithely tossed it in for the TD.
All in all, plenty to be critical of there. The pick and the goal-line stand were nice, but with the offense playing against the best defensive line in the country this year, much more was needed than giving them a 10-0 hole to dig out of. In three possessions, they gave up 20 plays for 143 yards and almost 11 minutes of possession time. To improve on that performance, the linebackers would have had to play better pass defense against tight ends, Morris would have had to play tighter coverage on wide receivers, and the defensive line would have made more than token appearances in the backfield.
First Quarter Grade: C
Second Quarter
Iowa had three more possessions (obtained by three increasingly shoddy Anthony Fera Punts of 37, 35 and 12 yards) in the second quarter and while Penn State did fine in getting them off the field for the first two, they buckled again on the third and gave up a touchdown. The first drive was a 3-and-out highlighted by instinctual gap shoots by Colasanti and Devon Still on 1st down for a TFL and great pressure from Still, Massarro & Mauti on an LB blitz and great coverage by Khairi Fortt on the checkdown RB on 2nd for an incompletion. On third and long, despite no Dline pressure, Lynn and Morris covered well enough to force the underneath throw to the TE, where Stupar wrapped him up and forced the punt.
The second drive was a 5-and-out, started by a big gain when Morris dropped too far off DJK during the snap count. But then we saw some pressure. Robinson got the 1st down when he slid by Still & Ogbu deep in the backfield. Then Still & Colasanti collapsed the running lanes to tackle Robinson for no gain. And next play saw Khairi Fortt making a textbook LBU tackle, riding his blocker til the runner arrived, then shedding him and stuffing the ball. 3rd and 11 was uneventful, unless you count Drew Astorino tripping behind DJK as he dropped an easy pass.
The touchdown dagger drive began by Stanzi schooling Mauti with play-action and McNutt showing his soft hands. Then they just gutted us with the run. Latimore missed a TFL on an arm tackle attempt, James Terry and true freshman Daquan Jones got pushed backwards until Terry brought Robinson down on two consecutive 7 yard gains, and Colasanti and Jack Crawford were blocked from Iowa City to Cedar Rapids. After Astorino and Mauti held them on 1st, Terry was late sprinting onto the field, looked to have lined up in the wrong place, and Stanzi punched it in himself in the void. Even if Bolden had converted the two red zone opportunities, this touchdown would have remained the difference in the ball game.
Second Quarter Grade: C-
Third Quarter
Partly because of our 14-play, nearly 8-minute drive to start the 3rd quarter (which ended in zero points), Iowa only had two possessions. Our lads stepped up and held them to one 3-and-out and one 6-play, 35 yard drive that also ended in a punt. Activities included Mauti trying fruitlessly trying to cover McNutt in the flat, a Jack Crawford sighting, one fine series by Colasanti, a dominant series by Stupar & Mauti, and general urgency displayed all around.
Third Quarter Grade: B+
Fourth Quarter
At 17-3, with 13:38 left, and with as much as PSU had knocked on the door, Ferentz played like he might just like another score. Penn State's defense didn't allow it. They did allow them two 1st downs, 57 yards from out of their own endzone, some downfield Stanzi completions (including more to the non-linebacker-covered tight end) and nearly three minutes to run off the clock, but they got the ball back for the offense on the first possession after 6 plays. The second was a 3-and-out. And by the fourth, which began with 4:32 left, Iowa was content to run, and they did so successfully. Robinson for 9, right past Khairi Fortt. Stanzi for 1, collapsing Ogbu and Still. Robinson for 7, past an overpursuing Stupar. Then TFLs for both Colasanti and Ogbu to force the final punt.
With a pick-6 desperately needed, and Stanzi standing in the pocket and hurling downfield that first drive, the defense contained and held, but did not dominate.
Fourth Quarter Grade: B
Strikingly similar to the Alabama game, if the offense had converted in the red zone, it may have been a different story for the defense. They gave up 122 yards rushing and 227 yards passing to a fine offense. Even so, they did what could reasonably be described as ‘their job' by holding a Big Ten title contender to 17 points in their house at night before a surprisingly well-executed Black-and-Gold-out. Are they excellent? Clearly not. Are they garbage? I believe that's just as clear. There are some intriguing Big Ten games this month that should help better define which of those poles the Penn State defense is playing closer to.
Final Defensive Grade: B-
Special Teams
Anthony Fera could have been our biggest weapon tonight, but he wasn't. He punted 9 times for an average of 36.7, and that includes the whopper 74 yarder he booted in the fourth quarter. Granted, none of those nine punts were returned, but not many are if you pooch it 35 yards and half our team is around the receiver as he fair catches it. Our punt return blocking wasn't much better as we managed a measly 3.8 yard average on 5 punt returns. I'm not sure we need to even discuss kickoff coverage when we only scored three points, but the lone return Iowa had went for 33 yards, so there's that. And our own kickoff returns didn't win us the game either. Chaz Powell and Stephfon Green teamed up for some decent yardage (5 returns for 107 yards), they were unable to finish in the end zone. While we didn't give up any big special teams plays, on a night we so desperately needed one of our own, we couldn't find paydirt.
Final Grade: C+
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In 2003 and 2004, Penn State's defense had some pretty decent statistics.
Mostly that was because once a team scored 10 points they figured they’d win the game by at least 7 points. I’m wondering if some of the improved defense we saw in second half in the Alabama and Iowa games is more a function of the offense going into no turnovers mode to protect a lead.
We’ll see the answer to that starting this week, the game should be competitive in the second half.
Beat Illinois.
partially perhaps
but it seems we’ve shut down most teams more as the game has gone on. I feel its probably due to us coming out very vanilla to start, then making adjustments as the game goes on.
In the wins, I'm sure that's part of it...
Alabama could have layed into us had they been inclined to do so.
Beat Illinois.
Not sure what no-turnovers mode is for a guy like Rick Stanzi
But they had him passing in all five of their second half possessions.
Alabama, I’m not sure that was the case either. Long after it became clear that Trent Richardson could have rung up 400 yards on us, Saban actually toned that down a bit and experimented on the diversification of his offense using the pass.
Our defense can still grow to become excellent.
That's fundamentally untrue, at least about the 2004 defense.
That 2003 team was flat out terrible front to back, but the 2004 defense was loaded with guys who had at least a cup of coffee in the NFL and, at best, are currently starting or creating quality depth in the League.
To act as though teams went hardcore conservative because the offense was so awful is to rewrite history. With a relevant offense, a 4-7 team with that kind of defense turns into an 11-1 kind of team. 2005 proved that in spades.
Bingo.
2003 was terrible, but it was a valuable learning experience for everyone on that defense.
In 2004, Boston College and Ohio State each scored 21 vs. Penn State. That was the most anyone scored against the 2004 Penn State defense; no one else broke 20. When you factor in how fundamentally bad that 2004 offense was, that’s an amazing statistic.
I would probably grade them out at C/C+ or so.
Liked the breakdown. For all the people clamoring about Bani and Colasanti being left in, we are seeing guys like Fortt getting an increasing number of reps. I think they will be slowly phased out as the season goes on.
That's a good point
Colasanti is a walking inconsistency. I was blown away on the rewatch how drastically he wavers from clueless to effective.
Our defense can still grow to become excellent.
I have to give some props to Sukay...
he didn’t have a perfect game, but he stepped it up considerably.
Good job reading stanzi on the pick and he stepped up in run support a few times.
aside from the lone sack (which came on a blitz iirc)...
….Stanzi didn’t have a finger laid on him all night. This is very disappointing.
Iowa was able to get pressure with 4, we were not. Game over.
and it showed in his stats...
16/22 for 227 yards, 10.3 YPA.
by Screen Name 20 on Oct 4, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Crawford and Latimore stick out like a sore thumb nowadays
Were we spoiled by Tamba, Evans, Maybin? Guys who were just naturally athletic at getting off the edge.
I still like the improvement I see in Still and the consistency I see in Ogbu each week. But, damn, he sure did have some time.
Our defense can still grow to become excellent.
We were spoiled
We’ve had a fantastic D-line from 2005 to 2009, this year is a big step back. Each year we had at least one break out star there, 2005 was Hali (although they were all great), 2006 was Alford, 2007 was Evans (sack machine), 2008 was project Mayhem, and 2009 was Odrick. That’s a 1st round, a 3rd round, a UFA, a 1st round and another 1st round pick in the NFL.
This year we just expected someone to break out. Crawford, or Lattimore… Maybe Ogbu or Still… No dice. This is a d-line that just lacks that one guy who makes everyone else better… Very disappointing after such a fantastic run, but most teams don’t have 3 1st round draft picks in 5 years.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
It seems like we've had an even longer streak than that,
but my memory fails me about who it would be. But it’s true that we haven’t seen our D-line struggle as much in awhile. Maybe before we had the linebackers making the plays that the d-line wasn’t. We’ll get there eventually.
I have not been as disappointed in the losses this season as I have been in other seasons. I don’t know if it’s because I realize how young we are and how unlikely the wins would have been or because they didn’t come down to the wire like so many of our other past losses.
BSD after dark was certainly a solace this time!
For the glory
If you throw in LB's, obviously
The story gets even rosier. You mix in 6 LB’s that are all on NFL rosters. So out of 5 front 7’s, we had 11 current NFL players playing for us in that period. At any one time we had as many as 5 guys on the field who are currently in the NFL (just in the front 7), and on average we had 4. I don’t know how many from our current starting line up get to play at the next level, but it’s probably not going to be 4…
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
I think the defense will get better
but I’m not seeing as much playmaking ability from the front seven, which is partially because we’re comparing them to recent units, but might be because they don’t yet have as much game experience.
Great point
and this is causing Bradley to blitz more. The main goal of our defense is to pressure without blitzing, so the inability of our front 4 to get any semblance of pressure on opposing QB’s is killing us. Not hard to pick apart a defense when you have all the time in the world.
A lack of playmakers is noticable
Ogbu and still are solid but wont make the big play. I can see Mauti and Stupar eventually getting there, but they aren’t there yet.
Slow start
Maybe I’m making this up, but it seems like the team is so slow to get started. And then, when they’re losing, the D gets more aggressive and starts playing like they should all along. If this is the case, is there any way we can get the scoreboard to show us down 10-0 right from the start of the game? Maybe light a little fire under the team.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
slow start or uninspired start
the team and the coaches seem despondent to me. Been despondent all season.
"Life is no way to treat an animal"
by Mr. Rosewater on Oct 4, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like the slow start has a tendency to coincide with our’starting LBs on the field. Then Fortt and Stupar get involved and things magically slow down for the other offense.
This
The best players need to be on the field to start the game. I know Colasanti and Gbadyu have been here longer, and they’re probably great guys, but it’s looking like Fortt and Stupar are the better players. They deserve to start.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
10000000% agree
It’s been too often to be repeated coincident.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
quick question? how do the Some fo the negativity and repsones about garbage and what not effect the college player
I hope you dont mind but you have the unique exp[erience. I always try to tread lightly with commenting certain ways cause these are still kids,
There will be no battle fatigue in my command
by psu in the w-b on Oct 4, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
well, there was no internet when I was playing
maybe there was internet, but NOTHING like this, no blogs, no tweets, no ranking everything 12 months out of the year, the recruiting stuff was way below radar except for real hard core fans, etc.
its a completely different animal nowadays
I do remember a certain player getting booed at a basketball game when they handed out the player of the week awards after the season, and that was hard to take, as it would be for anyone
I try and lay off personal criticisms too, but guys know if they’re not performing. They are their own worst critics i would hope.
thanks for the insight. That owuld be hard to take
There will be no battle fatigue in my command
by psu in the w-b on Oct 4, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Tons of push from interior line on running plays
But LBs did not take advantage like they should have. Really frustrating to watch Ogbu and Still blow up their guards and Robinson still get 4 or 5 yards. I think as LBs mature and turn over, that’ll work out a little better.
Calling this defense ‘garbage’ is a hilarious overreaction.
Really frustrating to watch Ogbu and Still blow up their guards and Robinson still get 4 or 5 yards
I felt so, too. It’s actually very weird to see.
Our defense can still grow to become excellent.
Garbage?
Was that a frustrated tweet from one of our buddies at SlowStates?
by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 4, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Scrappled is RUTS.
I hope he responds to jtot’s post, which I proudly rec’d.
"We just ran out of time." [sly smile] - Joe Paterno
by ReadingRambler on Oct 4, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone
see the ’Bama – Florida score and conclude that, hey, we must be as good as or better than Florida? Me either. Although it is interesting to note that if you look at the stats for each game, we acquitted ourselves just as well against them as Florida did.
And so we land, only to find
We never left the ground...
I figured as much
it just needs to be pointed out that Florida’s offense stinks…b/c not many people realize that…ahem, coaches poll.
by Screen Name 20 on Oct 5, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Overreaction/Meltdown/whatever...
Sitting at home….I was pleasantly surprised to see us take the opening half kick-off to the inch line before Iowa held. Had PSU scored…..we are down 17-10 to a damn good Iowa football team. I have been very critical of this D all year but have to give credit where it is due. They looked much more aggressive in the second half…….to the point that douchebag Bog Davie noted the “momentum had changed” Not getting the TD on the opening drive was a huge letdown but the D held tough. They have plenty room for improvement, but the unit is getting better every week….which is exactly what you look for from a coaching perspective.
To Jay and Galen……PLEASE COME UP WITH A REDZONE RUNNING ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF ITS NOT K-NEW (WHICH IT SHOULD BE)…..WHAT ABOUT DUKES, SUHEY AND ZORDICH??????
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
I have some doubts about a "NEWS" offensive set.....
The mere fact that RobB is the starting Qb and had only Fall practice to play with the team tells me that KNews and the rest of the Qbs just didn’t win the competition…..aside from teaching Rob the plays, I’m pretty sure that they didn’t start putting in a package for Kevin and Rob; that being said, what the hell are they waiting for now? After 5 games, show something out of the norm offensively. 2 Qbs and a WR in the backfield, a Spread HD, something please??? These Kids are not stupid. As for the D, they don’t attack, they react. 5, 6 or 8 yards on running plays gets you behind fast and with our predictable O, it’s difficult to impossible to play catch-up.
Let me know how that conversation goes at the Paterno dinner table! LOL!
They’ve used two QBs and other formations when they had the personnel. Makes me think that it’s not ready yet.
For the glory
As close as I can get during the season......
I hope that they are at least looking into. We want some TDs please. Mentally it would make a difference. As far as the dinner table talk goes, “Hey Carlo, we don’t talk business at the dinner table…and when we want to whack somebody, we go to Louis’ Ristorante in Brooklyn, it has the best veal in the City.” Oh yeah, “I gotta go the bathroom.”
See Mr. Paterno's presser
To me sounds like there are staff members calling for Newsome to handle short-yardage but that Joe is worried about Bolden having to look over his shoulder.
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
This thread is supposed to be about the defense, but I'll bite.
No, it shouldn’t be Kevin Newsome, because as it’s been said in the other thread, if Newsome should be running the “wildcat” or whatever inside the red zone, they’d be doing that already.
What about Dukes? He’s behind Royster, Green and Redd on the depth chart, that’s what. I’m pretty confident that if those three can’t get it done, Dukes isn’t going to either.
As far as Suhey and Zordich go, they’re fullbacks, if I remember right. In this multiple-style-Spread-HD-whatever offense, as in most college football offenses, the fullback doesn’t touch the ball very much, if ever. I know, Joe is still coaching and We Are Penn State, but we don’t have an offensive line that can move a defensive line like Iowa’s or Alabama’s. That’s what you need to be able to use Suhey and Zordich effectively.
Jumbo
We have run it in the past….we can run it again. Anybody remember Tim Manoa and Steve Smith being in the backfield together with DJ? As for Dukes I am sure he is behind Royster, Green and crew for a reason…..but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be the most effective TB in a short-yardage goal line set. We don’t run a true spread like Northwestern….the Spread HD can be whatever we want it to be. If we are going to run a short yardage package though….we need to bring in the bodies that will get the job done.
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball?
And they did try and run Zordich on the 3rd and goal and he got stuffed for pretty much no gain. And that’s why they decided to try and run Bolden on the QB sweep on 4th down.
and the angles on
Bolden you couldnt tell either
"Youre never as good as you think you are when you win, and never as bad as you think you are when you lose"-JVP, By the Book
Sorry, I don't mean to threadjack at all
But we just had some people bail from going to the Illinois game this weekend, and now we have an extra hotel room and 2 extra tickets.
If you’re interested, I am selling the room and the tix for cost. Please email psubetcha@gmail.com if you want them. Room is $400 total, and tix are $55 each. Room has 2 double beds and is a smoking room.
"Every player we have, someone—maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone—poured their life and soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world." - Joe Paterno
There are some intriguing Big Ten games this month that should help better define which of those poles the Penn State defense is playing closer to.
My favorites are Michigan State at Michigan, Iowa at Michigan, and Ohio State at Wisconsin.
I am betting that Michigan will continue to look like garbage, Michigan State will look kinda like us, Iowa and Ohio State will both look dominant, and Wisconsin will look like poor JJ Watt needs some help.
"We just ran out of time." [sly smile] - Joe Paterno
Yo, jtot
http://www.slowstates.com/blog/the-penn-state-defense-is-not-traditionally-effective/
"We just ran out of time." [sly smile] - Joe Paterno
The time stamps on that platform are funny
None for the original post, and you and STL look like you’re replying from the future.
Our defense can still grow to become excellent.
Meh, cherry-picking
1) Cherry-picks field position as excuse for 2nd half shutout by D, doesn’t mention the great field position our 3-and-outs gave them in the 1st — TD drives began on 49 and 32.
2) Cherry-picks only 2 halfway-successful 2nd-half drives, ignoring other 3 drives of 3, 3, and 5 plays netting 13 total yards.
I don’t blame him for walking back from an embarrassing in-game overreaction, but he shouldn’t try to defend the position that they’re bad. They’re not PSU 05 or 08 good, but they’re decent. Gave up 3 scores on 6 first half drives away to a BCS winner with a returning senior QB, shutout in 2nd. Unfortunately, inability to convert in red zone makes 2 TDs look insurmountable.
Funny how expectations are vastly different for Offense and Defense...
because this is largely a “rebuilding year” on both sides of the ball. We’re just not used to seeing such a green, inexperienced D.
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