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Penn State Defense Grades Against Michigan


Michigan came into the day ranked 7th in rushing offense and 2nd in total offense. So we knew it was going to be a tough day for the Penn State defense. Playing without Jack Crawford, Eric Latimore, and Nick Sukay didn't help matters. So keep that in mind while we grade the defense.

Defensive Line


The Wolverines came into the game averaging 282 yards per game on the ground. Penn State held them to 233 yards, so you have to consider that a slight win.

Devon Still and Ollie Ogbu played absolutely fantastic. The pair combined for 10 tackles, but more importantly they did a good job of taking up space in the running lanes. Denard Robinson couldn't fly through the hole and be in full gazelle mode by the time he got into the second level. Even though most plays they didn't get a hand on Robinson, they forced him to stop and change directions which allowed the linebackers to get in position to make a play. Still in particular had a monster game. Probably the best of his career.

The defensive ends were virtually non-existent. The zone read option that Michigan employs is designed to wait for the defensive end to commit on his course of action, and then run the opposite direction. I don't know how many times I watched Sean Stanley jump into the backfield untouched and stand there frozen in terror while Robinson stood there with the ball in the running back's stomach waiting for Stanley to make a move. Though it seems like an easy decision to me sitting here on Monday morning, I don't know why Stanley kept going after the running back when the the other guy is torching you for 190 yards and 3 TD on the night. When in doubt, make Robinson give up the ball. I'll take my chances with Vincent Smith or Stephen Hopkins.

Final Grade: Defensive tackles get an A. Defensive ends get a D.

Linebackers

Considering how poorly Penn State has tackled this year I was half expecting this game to be a nightmare. There were some plays where they looked pretty desperate in a pathetic attempt to throw themselves at Denard and try to bring him down in an arm tackle, but for the most part I thought the linebackers did a good job of getting into position and wrapping him up.

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Chris Colasanti, I think, played his best game we've seen so far. When Michigan tried to run between the tackles he was usually there to make the play. He was even showing good anticipation and meeting the runner in the hole rather than waiting and trying to catch him six yards down field like he was against Alabama. So maybe something is clicking there for him. But when Michigan ran to the outside he was slow to get out to help too often.

Gerald Hodges was doing a good job of shedding blocks when the ball came his way, but his tackling technique broke down a few times and he just lunged himself at the carrier.

Michael Mauti played well and led the team with 10 tackles. He plays with more fire than anyone on the defense.

Bani Gbadyu is...well, Bani is Bani. He's fast and he physically looks the part, but too many times he got sucked inside and sealed and lost containment. At this point, it doesn't look like he's ever going to get it. What kind of shocks me is you never see him blitz. The coaches love to send Mauti and Stupar on the blitz, but not Gbadyu. Why not turn him loose like they did with LaVar Arrington and say, "Just go get the ball, kid."

Nate Stupar absolutely owned the fourth quarter. He was flying all over the place making tackles and almost had a pick-six at the end. I guess that's why he doesn't play tight end.

Final Grade: B

Secondary

I know we were all a little apprehensive when word got out that Chaz Powell was going to start in front of Stephon Morris at cornerback, but I thought Powell played a good game out there. There were a couple of times where his coverage was a bit soft and he gave up some easy slants for sizeable games, but I blame the blasted Cover-3 defense for that more than Powell.

Drew Astorino played a tough game. He was critical in run support and came away with 8 tackles. He was also there to break up the pass in the endzone. And he made a good read on Tate Forcier's pooch punt on 4th and 10. That is something Michigan has utilized a few times this season. Astorino recognized it and put himself in position to make a play. Instead of allowing Michigan to down the ball inside the five yard line, Astorino caught it at the 13 and ran it back to the 20, and he nearly broke it for more than that.

Malcolm Willis got his second career start in place of Nick Sukay. For the most part he played well outside of the breakdown that allowed the 60-yard TD to Kevin Koger. Willis also got sucked inside and blocked on Robinson's 32-yard TD run. It was a good learning experience for Willis who is showing good potential. I'm continually impressed with his tackling fundamentals.

Any time you hold the opposing quarterback under 50% completion rate and 200 yards passing you're doing your job. But you can't get an A when you don't cause turnovers.

Final Grade: B

Special Teams

Going into the game we all said Penn State had to come out ahead in the special teams battle, and they did so emphatically. Anthony Fera averaged 49 yards on his two punts and consistently booted his kickoffs deep. He threw them a knuckleball on the line drive in the corner. The ball was never really in danger of going out of bounds, but Michigan's Jeremy Gallon played it perfectly by booting it out of bounds at the two yard line.

Collin Wagner made both field goal attempts (32 and 42 yards) in what has been a 180 degree turnaround from last year when he struggled to make anything over 35 yards. Then he even showed his blazing 5.0 speed by outrunning everyone to the yard marker on the fake field goal.

The return games were fantastic. Stephon Green and Chaz Powell consistently got 25 yards on their kickoff returns. It's such a huge advantage to the offense when they can start on the 25 or 30 yard line as opposed to the 15 yard line like they did all last year. It allows the coaches to breathe a bit and take some chances.

Devon Smith had one crack at a punt return and he made the best of it. Despite a slight bobble he cut to the sideline, picked up some big blocks from Mike Zordich and Malcolm Willis, and ran it back 22 yards to give PSU the ball at the Michigan 37-yard line. Four plays later Matt McGloin hit Graham Zug in the endzone and Penn State took an 18 point lead into the half. Smith's punt return was huge in setting that up.

In all, Penn State won the special teams battle and this was instrumental in winning the game.

Final Grade: A

Defensive Coaching

Penn State came into the game determined to stop the run. When Michigan tried to spread them out, Penn State kept three linebackers on the field and focused on stopping Michigan from running the ball. Once they got the 21-point lead and the clock started running out they backed off and started playing some nickel figuring Michigan was going to have to start throwing the ball. And then Michigan made a run at the end.

Overall it was the formula that has Joe Paterno on the cusp of 400 career victories. Win the field position game, don't give up the big play and hope the opponent shoots themself in the foot. It didn't work so well against teams like Alabama and Iowa that are so disciplined on offense, but it worked against Michigan. The Wolverines made the mistake of thinking they could get two yards with Vincent Smith on the first drive. An illegal procedure penalty on 3rd and 5 killed another drive. They had a 1st-and-goal at the ten yard line, but a holding penalty backed them up to the 20 and made them settle for a field goal. A couple of incomplete passes killed the next drive. All of this happened in the first half and allowed PSU to get out to the 28-10 lead. In the second half Michigan stopped making these mistakes and crawled back in the game, but it was too little too late.

Final Grade: B

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I'm wondering if the grades are colored a bit by the offensive performance

and general giddiness of the day.

They gave up 31 points are were especially gashed in the 4th. Do they get A B B A B if our offense only puts 24 on the board?

by PSU Mudder on Nov 1, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Aside from the middle of the 4th quarter

The defense was as brilliant as could possibly be expected. Yes, DR got his, but the rest of the Michigan offense looked completely inept.

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by ckmneon on Nov 1, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the grades are a little inflated, but not much

We held them 109 yards and 5 points below average.
The no turnover thing hurts, they averaged 1.71 turnovers a game going into Saturday night.

by emccomb1 on Nov 1, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

On one hand, yes,

but on the other hand, it makes the performance more impressive. Robinson didn’t make any terrible throws, and he never fumbled. He played well, but so did the D.

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by Illegal Formation on Nov 1, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Robinson did make at least one terrible throw, hitting Stupar in the chest for an easy pick six (that he dropped). He was way off on a bunch of others, though none with the same potential for catastrophe.

by elefantstn on Nov 1, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll try and get a vid of this out a little later this week

But IIRC this isn’t a fair characterization. The ball hit him in the hands, yes, but it was placed on his inside shoulder, behind him and in the opposite direction he was headed. Definitely catchable. Definitely would have been a tough catch.

It didn’t hit him in the chest. It only would have been ‘an easy pick six’ if had been able to make the difficult catch; the run in to the endzone would have been easy.

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by jtothep on Nov 1, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't mean to make it sound like a knock on Stupar

And yeah, I meant the -six part was easy (no one between him and the goal line).

I don’t think you necessarily expect your LB to catch that, but at the same time, it was definitely a horrible throw by Robinson. Very easily could have gone into the endzone, and then the rout is really on.

by elefantstn on Nov 1, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if it was a horrible throw by DR..

but a good read by Stupar. That play had been pretty open all game long. I think Stupar jumped the route. Then again, I only saw the play once.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 1, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he did

Great instincts. Didn’t quite finish the execution.

Reminds me of the tough downfield sideline pass vs. Iowa that Dayvon wasn’t quite able to reel in. Both would have been fantastic plays had they been made, but they weren’t made.

Difference between Good and Great, or Winning and Losing in some games. Game of inches, all that.

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by jtothep on Nov 1, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

but if the offense only scores 24, the defense might not give up 31. There’s some strategy at play.

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by Illegal Formation on Nov 1, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think a lot of their yards

can be attributed to the poor play of the DE’s – which were given a “D.” Take away a lot of the yards they got on the read option – and they dont put up 31 points.

Aside from that – I think everyone else played very well.

by simon psu on Nov 1, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a fair question

If you look at the bottom line, yes, they gave up 31 points and 423 yards of total offense. That’s a pretty bad day. But then going into the game Michigan was averaging 36 points and 532 yards of offense. So I consider that to be a good day for the defense.

I try to be objective on these things and not let emotions sway my opinion. WIth a few lapses, I thought they played good fundamental football. Saturday night was some of the best tackling we’ve seen all year. Take away that 60 yard TD and Robinson only had 130 yards passing. Denard got his rushing yards which I think everyone knew he would. But he didn’t kill PSU with any of his Heisman like 80 yard runs. For the most part PSU contained him to seven yards per carry.

by BSD on Nov 1, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know everyone's on the Cam Newton train, but this performance

did even more to convince me that Denard Robinson should win the Heisman Trophy. The kid has a miserable defense and a bunch of remarkably average D-1 players surrounding him. Despite that, he’s singlehandedly accounting for his team’s entire record. That has to count for something, right? The kid is unbelieveable. It’s not his fault they lose games.

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by Adam Collyer on Nov 1, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Newton's better,

but DR is no slouch.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 1, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think this game summed up my question earlier in the week

the scUM fans were quick to point to a top 5 rushing attack and of course i hate even using the whole “take so and so out and its a different story” but i think it bears repeating that DR had 381 of 423 total yards!!!! without him, that team is nothing!

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by jman07 on Nov 1, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that's why he should win the Heisman imo

He IS that team. He’s singularly more important to Michigan than any other player is to their team.

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by Kyle_Martin on Nov 1, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you have the Heisman confused with some other award.

The Heisman is for the QB or RB on one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the country. I’m pretty sure there’s some rule about that. Sure, they’ll invite other positions or guys from lesser teams, but they’re not actually allowed to win it.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 1, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you play for Notre Dame.

Then your record doesn’t matter. Just ask Paul Hornung (although he may be dead).

by J Breezy on Nov 1, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think that was written in about the same time

that only SEC and Big 12 can have fast/exciting football. were too slow up north with our boring style

The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.

by jman07 on Nov 1, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh come on

You know football better than that, Charles Woodson won it not too long ago

by Ken Starlin on Nov 2, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

not too long ago!?

it was 1997. i was 13! im 26 now! in the grand scheme of things it was “not that long ago” but in college football that is an eternity! you know who else won it since then? such illuminaries as chris weinke, eric crouch, jason white, troy smith…yea they were def the BEST players in the country

The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.

by jman07 on Nov 2, 2010 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

My organization doesn't recognize any awards won by Michigan or their players.

They also had a WR “win” it in 1991. Know what else happened at Michigan in 1990s? (think: basketball)

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 2, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crap!

Why did they just take 299 victories away from Joe?

by emccomb1 on Nov 1, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I just don't understand Stanley.

This has been going on since at least the Temple game. Is it possible it is somehow by design? It just seems crazy to me that LJ wouldn’t either fix it or keep him out of the game.

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by Illegal Formation on Nov 1, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, they pulled the trigger quick on ending the Jordan Hill, DE experiment

Although he did play back at DE on a series after moving inside to DT to spell Still IIRC.

Stanley’s a little like Hodges at this point in the season, well, more like Fortt will likely be when he comes back (Hodges has been around the program a little bit, Stanley’s a true frosh). He’s both young and rusty from the doghousing.

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by jtothep on Nov 1, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hill back to DT.

Probably a wise move. Like you, I’m a fan of Hill, and I think he should be a starter next year.

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by Illegal Formation on Nov 1, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't wait to watch again, tho

When Denard’s got the ball and you’re watching it live, it’s terribly difficult to focus in on a DT playing DE to see how he’s faring. I’ll def look at his first couple series tho for curiosity’s sake.

But it was also a matter of the numbers of bodies. With Stanley out of the doghouse, they had him at DE (along with Kevion Latham). But with the way Devon Still was roughhousing David Molk and collapsing pockets, he needed some breathers.

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by jtothep on Nov 1, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

stanley is a true soph IIRC

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by jman07 on Nov 1, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Khairi Fortt

When will he be back from the neck?

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by QBsneak12 on Nov 1, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I dunno,

I heard the neck is a pretty fun place to be.

by whiteoutonly on Nov 1, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's put our eggs in the Hodges basket now

that he’s back from injury and has two games of rust-shaking under the belt. I see him getting better and better these next few weeks vs. NW,OSU,Indy & Sparty. Just like Mauti.

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by jtothep on Nov 1, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defense made critical stops when we needed them to

I think it’s been said already, but Michigan outscores their opponents by more then double in the 4th quater. The tempo and design of the offense is made to control the game and then drive the dagger in the 4th quarter. Oregon does it the same way. Just tire out the opponent and they’ll lay down in the 4th.

We did exactly what we needed to to win. The 4th quater we made them work, didn’t give up the quick TD, and forced them to eat enough clock that they couldn’t overcome the deficit.

Our offense should also get a defensive grade of A for keeping the pressure off and eating up tons of clock. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

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by millzners on Nov 1, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Green

I’m curious about Green’s role in this game and the future. In 2 other posts, someone in the know mentioned Green had an “issue” and did not play RB, but it seems he did well on special teams.

Maybe time will tell what did happen and what will happen. /cue dramatic music

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by NJ lion on Nov 1, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I dunno. I actually like Powell as a KR more than Green. I think he looks better at rfinding a seem/running room than Green.

by Laaaaazzz on Nov 1, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like whatever the "issue" was caused him to not practice much with the offense the past week

therefore he wasn’t included in the game plan. However, since special teams strategy/execution doesn’t really change week to week I assume that’s why he played there.

by whiteoutonly on Nov 1, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not totally sold on the defensive coaching.

I thought the defense played well enough and made Michigan work for almost everything. Schematically, I think we left ourselves open to quite a lot.

The DEs did have a rough game, but I don’t think it was really their fault. I haven’t gotten to look at the replay at all, but from my vantage point it looked like Bradley was running a scheme similar to the one that they ran against Temple (and probably most other teams). The DEs crash in to collapse the pocket, forcing a runner to either get tackled in the middle or get strung out laterally before the linebackers come in and clean up. In this case, there’s no doubt that our DEs were missing tackles. However, they did a reasonable job of forcing Robinson to move laterally. The problem is that the speed in our consistent linebacking trios leaves a lot to be desired.

Colasanti had a nice game and looked aggressive getting to the ball carrier in the middle of the line, but he’s woefully underequipped to move sideline-to-sideline. Bani has the physical presence but none of the instincts. The problem is that much of the time, they’re both out there. Our three best/fastest linebackers are Hodges/Mauti/Stupar. They have the speed that allows us to run that type of scheme where we force runners to go east-west instead of north-south.

Everytime Denard gashed us outside the tackles, we were begging for Bradley to do something different. I think that having the DEs rush upfield, or hardly rush at all, may have been more effective. Honestly, though, PSU had two options – key on Denard and hope that the rest of the offense couldn’t make a play, or make sure no other offensive player beat you and let Denard get his. They elected the latter and we won. No harm, no foul.

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by Adam Collyer on Nov 1, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure why we didn't pull out the old "Juice Williams" D scheme

Where the ends just engaged their man but didn’t rush, and then disengage once the QB either hands off or takes off running. That might have helped stop some of Robinson’s rushes and as it has been said, it’s not like the rest of that offense was doing a whole lot to hurt us.

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by skarocksoi on Nov 1, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is what I’m wondering too (see above). I guess it’s working, but it seems risky to me, and it would seem to nullify some of the athleticism they have at DE.

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by Illegal Formation on Nov 1, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I'd love to see how last year's D would've handled

this year’s version of Denard. Odrick was fantastic, but the linebackers just had the ability to track a runner down when moving laterally.

Robinson’s a special player, though. It scares me that he might only get better. Tremendous athlete.

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by Adam Collyer on Nov 1, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Before the game, I didn’t think Michigan’s O-line was getting enough credit. But considering the way Sill and Ogbu handled their interior, I’d say I was wrong. Michigan’s offense is all Robinson.

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by Illegal Formation on Nov 1, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thankfully

Unless PSU and Michigan meet in the conference championship game in 2011 or 2012, Penn State will never see Denard again unless he takes a redshirt.

by BSD on Nov 1, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank Adult Tuxedo Shirt Wearing Jesus for that

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by skarocksoi on Nov 1, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Jesus was busy playing lead guitar for Lynyrd Skynyrd?

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by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 1, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say he's probably the best he will get at running the ball

simply because he’s already so amazing at it, I’m not sure how he could get that much better. His passing could use some work, and if he makes a lot of progress in that area of his game, he will be a real Heisman contender in years to come.

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by skarocksoi on Nov 1, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Despite the points allowed...

….I think this was the Defense’s finest performance of the year.

Face it, nobody is stopping Denard. The kid can play and that offense is so well-tuned for him its ridiculous (sidenote: this is why I think Rod would make an excellent coordinator). Its akin to Drew Brees throwing all over PSU, but he never beat PSU.

Inside runs were virtually non-existant and Denard got mostly everything by bouncing to the outside. That’s pretty good considering our DE’s and LB’s aren’t nearly as strong as year.

Secondary could have played a bit better. Step into those passing lanes…they only throw slants!!! I can accept Willis and Powell being out of position because they’re pretty green at those positions.

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by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 1, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Good point on the slants

Astorino was in perfect position for a pick six there near the end. It was just a horribly thrown ball by Robinson.

by BSD on Nov 1, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The defense did what it needed to do...

get a couple of more stops than the Michigan defense. The long PSU offensive drives helped. Defense was allowed to rest and make Michigan work a little to score. Outside that 60 yard td pass, there were no 2 play 80 yard drives that I feared would happen.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 1, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Mike, it sounds like you and I watched the same game

Love being in sync! Man, the two guys I dogged hardest in pre-game played just lights out. Colasanti was downright impressive, only showcasing his physical lack of speed a few times. Instinctually, his best game of the year.

Mauti is getting better and better, same with Stupar. I was really scared we might be unable to IMPROVE this year (the number one thing I’m looking for in a young, rebuilding Lions squad), but they sure did Sat night. Hodges may be a week or two away, tho NW’s spread should give them plenty more practice ballhawking next week. We’ll see if Persa is directing it or not. I also agree re: Bani, but would guess with all the depth (even with Fortt injured), they’ll likely not make some new experimental package for him for a few games.

Malcolm Willis is gonna be just fine, and agree Powell looked pretty good too. I hope Morris keeps his head up over it.

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by jtothep on Nov 1, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

i cant wait to see him starting in the middle next year

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by jman07 on Nov 1, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Mauti on D, but he scares me on special teams.

Just seems a little over anxious and I was worried they might flag him for a late hit a couple of times on some kicks.

by J Breezy on Nov 1, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

what happened to fortt?

i missed when or what he hurt..was it in practice?

The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.

by jman07 on Nov 1, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stinger

But not sure if it was at Minny or in practice.

The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.

by jtothep on Nov 1, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he played at all at Minny

I saw him on the sidelines, but he was never in the game. IIRC

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by Kyle_Martin on Nov 1, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

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by jman07 on Nov 1, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's the deal with Morris right now?

I didn’t see #12 patrolling the backfield on Saturday.

Is Joe giving him a week off to get his head on straight? I think he’s good…but he seems to have lost his game recently.

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by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 1, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

My opinion

I think he might be injured. There was talk about him being banged up a few weeks ago (I forget the specific injury. I think it was an ankle). That, and his tackling was horrible against Minnesota. He got in the game on the punt coverage team as the gunner, but on one punt he completely whiffed on the guy and let him get about five yards.

I think he has to get healthy and get better at tackling until we see him again.

by BSD on Nov 1, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you might be right

And that was bad luck timing going up against JaJon.

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by jtothep on Nov 1, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

makes sense...

man. this team has been burned by injuries. It just never seems to stop. And they’ve been to contributing players (sukay, eliades, hodges, etc).

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by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 1, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two things...

One – spot on with the grades. As stated above, Denard can, will, and did get his. You take him out and put in any other QB not named Cam Newton, and the defense holds them under 17 points. I think they played the best game all year.

Two – the fact that you got to write “Anthony Fera” and “two punts” in the same sentence is awesome. Zero turnovers and only two punts. Apparently, a good way to beat Denard Robinson and the Denard Robinson Twenty One is to keep him off the damn field.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 1, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Nit picking.

Moore, Stanzi, Garcia, Mallett, their teams, and most of the other quarterbacks with high NCAA passer efficiency ratings would all score more than 17 points against us. I’m happy with our progress, but we still can’t get consistent pressure on passing plays. Those quarterbacks are all better passers than Denard.

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 1, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe. It's probably the Koolaid hangover.

How’s this instead – you take Denard out and replace him with any other Michigan quarterback, and the defense holds them under 17. I’m not convinced that the way we played Saturday night we couldn’t have stopped some of the ones you mentioned, but I see your point and will yield in order to forgo further discussion.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 1, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

will yield in order to forgo further discussion.

Um, yeah, good luck with that.

The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.

by jtothep on Nov 1, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It just might work. He's been quiet today.

Maybe its the back-to-back 30+ outputs by the offense he said couldn’t score 30 points. But it can’t be a discussion if I stop responding.

/re-shun

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by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 1, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

What am I supposed to do?

After last week, it appears that Junny and jesse. are like the rest of us: statistics don’t matter when strongly held opinions are on the other side of the line.

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 1, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're almost as cute as your avatar.

Anyway, I think my point up above is probably right. After all, a defense that can’t get very much pressure, has a banged up secondary, and is found to have been “bad all along” probably can’t stop the Kellen Moores and Ricky Stanzis and Julio Jones of this world from throwing and catching and scoring if they want to, right?

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 1, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

the one thing the bbds defense

is that it is usually quite effective against spread/running offenses. juice williams never did a ton against us. the achilles heel is strong, vertical passing attacks. (see rose bowl, usc as a prime example)

The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.

by jman07 on Nov 1, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those players would have decent games with their teams.

But that Michigan offense revolves entirely around Denard. My point was that if you took Ricky Stanzi, put him in as Michigan’s QB, and changed nothing else, that team loses a lot of yards and scoring.

Our defense is still not great (though they seemed to improve a little this weekend), but they could take care of a Michigan offense without Denard at the helm.

Our offense, though, appears to be able to put up 30+ points. Statistics.

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by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 1, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before 10/23/10, there had been little to no indication that Penn State could score 30+ points on any FCS team. Actually, there was no indication that Penn State could score 30+ points on any FCS team because they hadn’t scored 30+ points on any FCS team. I guess recognizing the slight exaggeration with which I pepper my posts is a struggle too. Or perhaps we just have to find unrelated posts to somehow make a point. I don’t know. This stuff confuses me. I’m not very good at it. I mean, Jtot for one is much better at backlinking than I. I do think I said “teams with a pulse” rather than “anyone”, but again, I’m not very good at backlinking.

Michigan’s offensive line is obviously good enough to keep most quarterbacks upright against PSU, I think their receivers are somewhat decent (They looked fine against Iowa), and since Penn State was starting Chaz Powell and a true freshman in the secondary (See: 60 yard touchdown pass to tight end), I am not exaggerating when I say that Kellen Moore would have done fine. I will steal a point from Kevin HD: people are basically slightly overestimating Robinson and underestimating his line.

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 1, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or yes, Ricky Stanzi.

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 1, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stanzi had a chance to score more than 17 and didn’t.

But more to the point, I’m not so sure that those guys stuck onto the exact same team as Robinson is playing for would score a ton of points. The rest of their skill position players don’t look like world-beaters to me, and the defense isn’t giving them a lot of opportunities at the ball.

by elefantstn on Nov 1, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stanzi had a chance to score more than 17?

Most everyone at BHGP spent a day or two complaining about Ferentz’s conservatism in the second half. The pass was open if they wanted it. Just ask my friend jesse.; that fact was one of many behind his belief we would get torched this week.

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 1, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garcia and Mallett would score 17

but would also throw 2-3 pick 6’s doing it

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by ckmneon on Nov 1, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh

Put those guys on Michigan and I’m not so sure they would. It would probably be close, but those I have a hard time believing they could do it easily without committing several turnovers and keeping us in the game the whole time.

Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.

by skarocksoi on Nov 1, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Powell

Am I the only one that saw him refuse to block anyone on KO returns. IF he doesn’t get the ball he just slowly jogs, blocks nobody and then heads to the sideline. Absolutely ridiculous effort.

by Rednecklion on Nov 1, 2010 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm...did not notice that.

But I’ll keep an eye out for it from now on. You’d think the coaches (who would definitely see it) would not tolerate that kind of effort.

by J Breezy on Nov 1, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

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