Penn State Defense Grades Against Ohio State
Just like the offense, the defense had a good half and a bad half. After the deep throw to DeVier Posey at the start of the game the defense played pretty well. They held Ohio State to a field goal on that drive and then they shut them out the rest of the half. It was so good in fact that the Buckeye fans were booing their team off the field at halftime. For a sweet moment, everything was right with the world.
And then the second half happened. So let's get into that part.
Defensive Line
Probably the most disappointing part of the defense for me was watching Devon Still and Ollie Ogbu getting double teamed all night and nobody from the linebackers sweeping in to make a play and help out. Ohio State rushed for over 300 yards on the ground. When's the last time that happened against a Penn State defense? Still and Ogbu have been playing very well in recent weeks, but even they are going to have trouble fighting double teams. They did their job and ate up blockers. When that happens, somebody else has to step up.
When the defensive tackles are attracting double teams, the defensive ends need to wreak havoc, and on Saturday night they didn't do that. Ohio State was comfortable to block them one-on-one or chip them with a tight end and our guys folded like a house of cards. Though Jack Crawford did get a key sack in the first half, and Pete Massaro made a decent play here and there, the fact is that Big Ten offensive coordinators find Penn State defensive ends about as threatening as a box of kittens.
Grade: C-
Linebackers
When word got out that Michael Mauti went out with a shoulder injury and probably wouldn't return, I knew Penn State was in serious trouble. Not only had they lost their best linebacker, they lost the guy that provides the emotional spark for the entire defense.
As Dan Herron started knocking over white jerseys with numbers like 48 and 15 on them on Ohio State's 96 yard touchdown drive in the third quarter I knew Penn State was in trouble. Chris Colasanti and Bani Gbadyu are just not great players. They're good linebackers when you are playing Indiana or Minnesota, but they are not good enough to stop teams like Alabama, Iowa, and Ohio State. These guys are just taking up space until next year when guys like Gerald Hodges, Glenn Carson, Khairi Fortt, and Mike Hull are hopefully ready for the big time. Until then, we just have to deal with it.
Speaking of Hodges, it's pretty disappointing that he has not yet performed up to expectations. The guy is a tremendous physical specimen, but so far he doesn't look like he's getting it. He's often out of position and he misses too many tackles. Maybe I'm just overreacting on that though. He had to sit out several weeks this year with a broken leg, so maybe that set him back.
But again, the defensive tackles were eating up multiple blockers and you give up 300 yards rushing and look silly as Boom Herron is running you over for the greatest game of his career. You fail.
Grade: F
Secondary
This is the part where the Ohio State fans reading this and looking for red meat get what they came for. After the game there were a lot of Buckeye commenters and bloggers saying, "See? Now will PSU fans admit Terrell Pryor is good? Don't you feel stupid for criticizing his play in the Rose Bowl?"
Actually, no. I still come away unimpressed with Terrell Pryor. He had 13 pass attempts and threw for 139 yards. Forty-nine of those came on the bomb to Posey in the first quarter. It was a good throw, but it was a better play by Posey. D'Anton Lynn had just about perfect coverage. Another 58 yards came on the fluke bounce to Sanzenbacher. Take away those two plays and Pryor was 6-for-11 for 32 yards. After watching guys like Greg McElroy, Ricky Stanzi, and Dan Persa rip this defense like surgeons, I'm so not impressed. How many times did he overthrow a guy less than ten yards away?
In fact, after the 96 yard touchdown drive I tweeted that Jim Tressell will not call another passing play the rest of the game. I was wrong. On Ohio State's next drive they ran the ball eight straight times. Then on 2nd and 12 from the Penn State 25 they did throw it again, and Pryor threw an interception on a classic Pryor arm punt. After that Tressell called two passing plays the rest of the game. One was the ridiculously stupid touchdown to Sanzenbacher, and the other was a three yard TD pass to Jake Stoneburner with a 17 point lead and less than five minutes to go so Pryor could pad his stats and feel good about himself.
So sorry, no, I'm still not a Terrell Pryor believer. And no, sorry again, I am not saying this because I secretly wish he was in a Penn State uniform. Get that out of your Buckeye-sized brains. The kid is just overrated and will never amount to anything in life after Ohio State.
Overall, the secondary played okay, but they also missed a lot of tackles just like the linebackers. Though Malcolm Willis seems to be growing into his role at safety and looks more confident each week. Nick Sukay may have trouble getting back on the field next year when he returns from his injury.
Final Grade: C+
Special Teams
Anthony Fera did well averaging just over 44 yards on his six punts. He also booted his kickoffs deep and registered a touchback on one of the three. The coverage team did well on the other two giving up returns of 23 and 17 yards.
The Penn State return units were a bit sluggish. I was hoping to exploit the Buckeye return coverage teams which have had problems this year, but the longest kick return on the night was Shawney Kersey's 26 yard return. Chaz Powell averaged 17 yards on his five returns. Sorry, but that sucks.
Collin Wagner didn't get a field goal attempt in the game. Don't get me started on that.
Grade: C
Defensive Coaching
It doesn't really matter what the coaches were trying to do on Saturday. The Buckeyes abandoned the passing game after Pryor's terrible first half and dared Penn State to stop Boom Herron. Mauti got injured and there was nothing Penn State could do to stop him. The pick-sixes by the offense put the defense in a hole and took the pressure off the Ohio State offense to have to throw the ball. There's really nothing the defensive coaches could have done outside of putting ten guys in the box and hope Pryor threw up some more wounded ducks.
Grade: Incomplete
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Oh, good Lord.
And the Ohio State people said I didn’t show Pryor enough respect.
Mike, I’d say I respect you for your ballsiness, but I’m not fighting the Ohio State fans this time, pardner.
And please God, bring back Mauti.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 11:12 AM EST reply actions
The absurd deflected TD pass....
Why did he even throw it? I mean, he had all day back there and certainly wasn’t hurried into throwing into double coverage. And why didn’t he throw it to Senzebaugh (sp.?) to begin with? Sure looked like he was wide open!
I guess what I’m trying to say is not only did that pass take a lucky bounce, but the entire play overcame a mental lapse on Pryor’s part.
Still, Pryor is a good college qb. He moves the chains, and that’s important. But I still can’t see him at qb in the NFL. He talks about coming back for his senior year like it’s some kind of noble gesture on his part…like he’s doing them a big favor with his “sacrifice”. I’m wondering if he’s coming back only because he’s not that highly rated as a pro prospect.
Pryor was overrated earlier in the season when OSU fans showed up at EDSBS bashing Orson and Holly for not listing his Heisman credentials or something.
Now he’s just like most good college quarterbacks. He passes well when he has time to throw. He doesn’t do even half as well without time to throw. He’s Daryll Clark, but stronger, faster. But he also has a worse throwing motion. Good, but certainly not great, as the one OSU fan said.
I still think OSU needs a better quarterbacks coach.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
FIRE JAYPA
Oh wait, wrong QB coach.
"People ask me why I've stayed here so long, and you know what? Look around, look around. Now that the celebration's over, let's go beat Ohio State."
~Joe Vincent Paterno
Pryor is getting better
‘08 – only 165 attempts w/ 61% completion, 146.5 eff, 1311 yards, and 12/4 TD/Int
’09 – 295 attempts w/ a 57% completion, 128.9 eff, 2094 yards, and 18/11 TD/Int
-Soph slump?
’10 – 238 attempts through 10 games w/ a 67% completion, 166.4 eff, 2136 yards and 22/8 TD/Int
*
He’s on pace to have more attempts while doing better in the major stats from ‘09 to ’10. He’s also on pace for about 800 yards rushing and 6 or 7 rushing TDs. I can’t stand the kid but he is having a decent year. Now, I don’t know how he has played against good vs poor competition, but the overall product is there.
"People ask me why I've stayed here so long, and you know what, look around, look around," he said as the crowd roared. "Now that the celebration's over, let's go beat Ohio State!"
-Joe Paterno, 11/06/2010
He is about to do that
with ridiculous stats against Minnesota and Indiana.
Look at his games against Illinois and Wisconsin if you want numbers against solid defenses.
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 15, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Good question
definitely NOT the one that just lost to Michigan and Minnesota in back to back weeks. Try the one that gave MSU heart attacks…
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 15, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but every good to great player...
…lights up the lesser competition. I’m not going to ding him for that. If he wasn’t lighting them up then I’d have some issues with his play.
That's completely the reason he is coming back...
Why would he enter the NFL draft if he won’t be drafted before the 8th round? And when he is drafted, he’s probably going to be a WR or something.
I live in Ohio and I hate all of the news and features about him coming back for his senior year because he wants to win and get his degree and is such a great guy….. not a chance. He’s coming back because he knows that he has no future in the NFL as a QB. Why leave early and be humiliated when you can come back and be treated like a king?
I'm in W. Pa and have been hearing about him
for years now. I think it started when he “committed” to Pitt for hoops his sophomore year.
The first time I noticed a ridiculous amount of hype/coverage for a kid was with LaVar Arrington. Amazingly, LaVar did a pretty good job of almost living up to his hype. I never thought the Pgh media would top themselves with him, but they hyped Palko way, WAY more. I was soooooooo sick of hearing about him and going to Pitt made it worse because he was local for college, too. He had a very good college career, but had no chance of living up to the local hype. Just when his hype ended, Pryor’s was starting up and once again a new level of absurd hype was reached. Pryor has not even come close to reaching his hype. Oh, he’s done well…quite well really, but the hype is just so off the charts on him that he has almost no chance of living up to it.
So now we have Rushell Shell. I actually saw him play this Friday and he is indeed a man amongst boys (honestly, he’s a lot like Clarett). He has not reached Pryor’s level of hype yet, but is closing in and still has another year of HS.d I expect him to be named the #1 recruit in the country and if that happens, look out. I don’t PSU has any chance with him, but that’s probably a good thing as I hear from the Hopewell people I know that he is not a good kid at all. I wonder if he’ll eventually end up at Cal State (Pa)??
He ot kicked off the HS basketbll team last year
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
I heard that he's not a good hooper anyway.
Heard this from somebody who would DEFINITELY know.
He's like a Duke basketball player.
He’ll a pretty good college player by the end of his career.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I stand by my feelings
That Cam Newton is who Pryor was supposed to be. I know they aren’t the same type of player or run comparable offenses but Michigan wins by Denard, O$U wins by all the talent surrounding Pryor.
"People ask me why I've stayed here so long, and you know what? Look around, look around. Now that the celebration's over, let's go beat Ohio State."
~Joe Vincent Paterno
One of the side effects of going to OSU was that Tressel completely coached out the running game of Pryor. If you look back at some of his freshman games, he would always take on tacklers and go for the extra yard — now he consistently slides or runs out of bounds. As an OSU fan, I’m not really complaining about that. We’ve all see what happens when your QB runs hard like a RB (constant injuries like Denard.)
Also, how many wins does Denard have? A team can’t rely on a single player to win — that player needs to be integrated into the entire team so that a chink in the armor won’t destroy their team. I would rather have a system where all the players are dependent on eachother to win, than one where a win is only possible because of the ridiculous performance of a single player. (But yes, Cam and Denard are infinitely times better runners. Cam is likely the better passer also.
A rational response is the best I could have hoped for.
I agree with you completely. Teams in any sport are much better when they run like a well oiled machine as compared to a team that just watches one star player go crazy. I don’t think Auburn belongs in the MNC game because their defense is really awful. Yet you never hear about that, it’s just how great the OMGZZZZ SEC speed and offenses are so tough.
I do agree that Pryor is getting better each year, however he still has that clunky throwing motion. Are they not working on it with him or does he refuse to work/change it? I think everybody, OSU fans included, would agree that, at this point in his career, he isn’t as far along as expected. He’s a winner, I begrudgingly acknowledge that but he definitely isn’t anywhere close to putting up Heisman like numbers. Tresselball doesn’t help that though. It’s a catch-22 I suppose.
"People ask me why I've stayed here so long, and you know what? Look around, look around. Now that the celebration's over, let's go beat Ohio State."
~Joe Vincent Paterno
Who cares what they think.
We aren’t their main rivals, remember?
Pryor still isn’t that impressive. He does his job on a good team. Manages things. Is that so terrible to say?
Dark Knight feeling, die and be a hero-or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.-Jay-Z
Here’s the thing most PSU fans don’t seem to understand….
We don’t care if he wins the Heisman, dominates the world and cures cancer. He wins games, and that is what matters on the field.
28-4 is his starting record. I could care less if he throws for 31 percent during those games. The wins matter. After all, when we went 14-0 and won the National Championship, the quarterback was Craig Krenzel.
by Jeff at the BBC on Nov 15, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
What drives me crazy
and this isn’t an attack on the OSU fanbase, it’s the national media’s fault actually. It’s the Pryor for Heisman hype that has followed him ever since his first step on campus. He is a winner like Krenzel, the difference for me is that the national media didn’t have a Krenzel for Heisman campaign.
"People ask me why I've stayed here so long, and you know what? Look around, look around. Now that the celebration's over, let's go beat Ohio State."
~Joe Vincent Paterno
EXACTLY! I've said it many times on here....
…it’s not Pryor’s fault he’s overhyped. He can’t help that goofballs at ESPN go crazy over him and refuse to see him for what he really is – an above average college qb.
I’m with you, Jeff, on not caring about individual awards and stats. I’ve said to people many times that I’d take a 2002 OSU season (in which almost every win was ugly) any day for PSU. Who cares how you win as long as you win? As for Krenzel being the qb of that team, I think PSU fans can certainly relate as PSU won a championship with John Shaffer at qb. The only thing he could do was win.
By the way, if not for the what has become the usual pick six in Columbus, the Buckeyes most likely never would have won that title in 2002. I don’t mean this as a criticism….just pointing it out because these constant defensive TDs OSU gets against PSU in Columbus drive me crazy. Oh well….
Here's the thing you don't understand. And I don't blame you for it because you weren't on this blog on Saturday night.
We’ve gotten several Ohio State fans showing up here, crowing about past comments BSD users have made, and demanding we show Pryor the “respect” he supposedly deserves. Now, while I wouldn’t go as far as Mike it regards to Pryor, I don’t understand what drives someone to ask for respect on a rival blog – particularly when Ohio State fans admit he isn’t a great player.
It’s just weird is all.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I have seen that
And in my honest opinion, demanding respect for Pryor on BSD is like demanding free health care at a Tea Party rally. You can’t do that without pissing off the people who surround you, because there just isn’t going to be anybody there to defend your position.
by Jeff at the BBC on Nov 15, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Your rationality
Is really putting a damper on my ability to completely stereotype your fan base.
You may be a hero.
by OctaShields on Nov 15, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad your rational thinking wasn't around here Saturday night
Although you probably would have been bashed by your own fellow fans as not being an “elite” fan.
Gradulations on the win.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Great point
Pryor is the Krenzel of super-talented athletes. He moves the chains and makes a few big plays.
If we can take a small positive out of this loss...
it was getting the fans to boo their team off the field. Even though that was the beginning of the end for us, it was hilarious.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
It was like the dream I had where 63-14 happened in Columbus.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Also agreed.
I wish Persa had come to PSU. I wish to God that we had gotten Henne for soo many reasons.
Every time Pryor opens his mouth I thank the Lord Jesus that he’s not on our team.
Also, this is not your Father's Penn State Defense...
Ogbu and Still are saints, but they are getting little help from the rest of the front 7.
I expect a much better unit next year.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
In LIFE?
Yeah, you’re not bitter at all.
I can understand you proclaiming that you don’t think he’ll make a good QB in the NFL, that’s always debatable. But to say that he’ll amount to nothing in life….well, that’s beneath you, Mike.
by Jeff at the BBC on Nov 15, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions
Agree, that was a bit harsh.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 15, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He means football life.
Though I highly doubt he’ll follow the career path of Adam Taliaferro, either.
If he meant that, I would hope he would edit the post to make that more clear.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
But they do...whatever, Mike
Hire Mike Pettine Jr!!!!!!!!
by SweepTheLeg on Nov 15, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
OK Mike
I’m sure you never said anything stupid when you were 19. We all do, but we don’t all have cameras and microphones in front of us.
I personally think his everybody kills comment was stupid too. But it was about Mike Vick….and deep down, I kinda wonder how many Penn State fans are also Eagles fans and are completely fine with what Vick did.
by Jeff at the BBC on Nov 15, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Not this guy.
I’d start Kolb on principle. But principle doesn’t sell tickets or merchandise. Which is why I’m not Jeff Lurie, Joe Banner, or Andy “Bringing the Mustache to the Punt, Pass, and Kick Competition” Reid.
This goes way beyond just one dumb remark. He’s been giving interviews for three years now, and he still sounds like he can barely speak the english language.
Maybe time will prove me wrong. I don’t wish ill will on anyone and I hope he succeeds in whatever he hopes to accomplish. If it does I’ll admit it. But from everything I’ve seen and read he has pinned his entire life on being an NFL quarterback and he has no backup plan. I think he is doomed to fail. Just my opinion.
I'm an Eagles fan
And I am not fine with what Vick did. What he did was cowardly, cruel, and disgusting. He also compounded the problem by continually lying about it. That said, he did his time and paid for his crimes. So I have no problem playing again. My thing is, and I’ve said it all along, he would have been better off assualting 50 women than killing the same number of dogs. Now I like animals, hell I own animals, but when there’s more outrage over the death of animals than there is when people are brutalized, that’s when I think society is heading in a bad direction.
"People ask me why I've stayed here so long, and you know what? Look around, look around. Now that the celebration's over, let's go beat Ohio State."
~Joe Vincent Paterno
Eagles fans get a bad rap
but I don’t think there’s many fans that are fine with what Vick did. I can appreciate him as a good football player. He paid his dues for his crimes, so I’ll give him a second chance. But I don’t have to like him as a human being.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 15, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
What is his major?
I am not baiting, really, I am curious.
We don’t ever hear anything about his performance in the classroom
400. That is all.
she's right, I have no IDEA what his major is
or his GPA. That’s what Penn Staters tend to care about.
Oh hey! Um...I hesitate to even post this, but
check out this essay…supposedly written by TP.
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/pryors-resarch-paper-research-must-read
I don't read any Ohio media
so I don’t know if they get the same kind of coverage that Penn State student athletes do. But of course Joe likes to drop comments about their academic performance in his press conferences, not many other coaches do.
I don’t care about his GPA, that is private unless there is a reason to publicize it , like becoming an Academic All American, or is so stellar you have to discuss it, like Poz’s 3 point whatever in Finance, or Myron Rolle.
But it would be interesting to know his major and if is considered a “good student”. I guess I could see what his major is on the official website, if they put them there.
400. That is all.
I thought Poz was an engineering major?
Or was that Hull? One of those awesome guys had like a 3.7 in engineering. For a star football player, THAT is impressive.
Poz was finance, at one point he had a 3.9
Hull is the engineer
Wiz is an education major, in the honors college and has a 4.0
400. That is all.
yep
I am trying to remember where it was, may have been the Nittany Lion Club magazine, but they did an article of him on a mission with his Dad, with little kids climbing all over him. It was so cute.
400. That is all.
the official website lists his major as "exploring"
Which I think means Undeclared. Which makes no sense since he’s a junior.
c'mon
“The kid is just overrated and will never amount to anything in life after Ohio State.”
I’m sorry but that’s a pretty disgusting statement about a college kid, especially one that you claim to harbor zero bitterness over.
by luckynewman13 on Nov 15, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
When we have post football career guys like
Adam Tellifaro, Mike Robinson, and Lavar Arrington to compare him with…
I dunno, we’ll just see. He really does need to learn to speak English and think before he speaks.
According to the official OSU site
his major is exploring
I assume that means undeclared and that he is exploring his options, but as a junior shouldn’t he have declared by now?
/confused
400. That is all.
I prefer to think that this is something on the level of either
spelunking or some kind of Indiana Jones-style thing. Most likely the former.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
maybe he never planned on graduating so he never chose a major.
by scotty2hotty89 on Nov 16, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
About Willis....
Nick Sukay may have trouble getting back on the field next year when he returns from his injury
I’m okay with this.
Actually, how about we get Sukay over at Astorino’s spot and cut into his playing time?
I like Sukay.
I know I’m in the minority on here with him, but I think he played well this year. Now Astorino…yeah, I’m not a big fan of his.
I don't get the complaints with Astorino.
He’s been fine this year. He’s good in run support and he hasn’t had any major breakdowns in coverage.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I think the problem with Astorino (and this can be said about most of our D this year)
is that he doesn’t have the athletic ability to win jump balls, catch a guy from behind, or really and truly crush someone on a hit. Willis and Sukay are both faster, look stronger, and appear to be able to out-jump Astorino (if for nothing else than they’re both taller, I think). I could be wrong, and it could just be me, but I feel like Willis and Sukay can win some of those fights that Astorino simply can’t.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
This sums up how I feel pretty well.
There’s really nothing wrong with Astorino… he’s just… I don’t know, I feel like his tackling is his only above-average asset for someone in his position, and frankly, at this point, we might better off letting him bulk up and take a shot at OLB with all of the tackling issues we have there.
Agreed
Might be late for the transition to LB, but I agree that his tackling is his only strength. At least Sukay will pick one or two off for you, Astorino doesn’t have that ability to read the play and make a jump on a pass. He fits the soft cushion D we play in the secondary very well. Go ahead and catch it, then I’ll make the tackle.
by wek5000lion09 on Nov 15, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Can't see him as a LB.
Waaaayyyy too small. He’d never get off the blocks. Teams would just run straight at him.
Astorino is too small for the position he's playing
I like Astorino and he’s playing way above his ability, he’s not fast enough to play FS and he’s too small for the Hero position but he is the best tackler in the secondary and that has earned him the spot. I believe he’s still bringing the hits despite still being bothered by the bad shoulder.
The last Hero we had, Mark Rubin, was listed at 6’3" and 220, Astorino is 5’10" and 193 but he’s proven to be a better tackler than the bigger Dailey.
by Frank O'Brien on Nov 15, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
If only the rest of the team could take notes from him.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I am going to ladies X’s and O’s camp in the spring and am hoping to have a word with some of the coaches
400. That is all.
See I think his recognition skills aren't bad at all
He just can’t get to the play is his problem I think. And even when he’s here, I feel like he just never can do anything until the player has come down with the ball.
This is more or less what I was driving at.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Astorino is usually a very sure tackler...
I haven’t heard his name called much, which is good for a DB.
Early in the year he was still feeling the affects of a bum shoulder so I think that warrants some considerations.
Having another talented DB available is never a bad thing, especially for nickel coverages.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 15, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Just a side note
Mike, you seem to be angry about the second-half playcalling by Jim Tressel.
For starters, we ran the ball repeatedly because nobody was able to stop the run. Run the play until your opponent can stop it. That’s basic football right there.
The pass to Stoneburner for the TD….really, you think it was to pad the stats? Come on. You’re smarter than that. They called the play because Penn State sold out to stop the run, and it tricked you.
Jim Tressel, much like the classy Joe Paterno, does not call plays to pad stats. He calls them to win ball games.
Again, you know better than that.
If you want to have a flop-down bitch fest over something (and it appears you do), then just do it. Preface it with a comical line like BHGP does and then go ballistic. It works brilliantly for them….but in your case, you’ve just gone on a massive attack and you’re trying to hide behind it by claiming it is something else.
by Jeff at the BBC on Nov 15, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions
Hey!
I know that guy. He’s Iowa’s backup QB, right?
by Jeff at the BBC on Nov 15, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
:)
I’m just tired of this week. OSU week is a lot like the holidays. Folks you don’t necessarily care for come early, make asses of themselves (not you), and stay past their welcome. OSU has a hell of a game coming up, and a lot to look forward to before the end of the regular season.
Let’s just move on.
Like Hawkeye fans a few years ago.
They lingered about 2 weeks after beating us…on every PSU site.
I’m fine for all of the banter and stuff, but eventually I want to start thinking about next week.
Are we going to be dropping punts every 3 seconds like we did last year against Indiana? Can we recover and look decent against more sub-par competition? These are the things I’m concerned about.
Dark Knight feeling, die and be a hero-or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.-Jay-Z
Good point. I gave myself a couple days
to get the gloating out of my system (over at OSU boards, of course) and this is end of second day. Time to move on.
Question for PSU fans; who plays QB for you this week? For that matter, who finishes out the season? I thought McGloin had really good 1st half, really not so good 2nd half. Probably couldn’t get a fair read on Bolden’s series at QB.
Granted, I don't know what down it is..
My guess is that it's wide open competition between now and the opener next September
Unless Bolden significantly separates himself the next 2 weeks and the bowl game.
by Frank O'Brien on Nov 15, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
OK, thanks.
Granted, I don't know what down it is..
I'm also glad this week is over
although I would not mind if Jeff came back. He is refreshing
I
400. That is all.
Isn't he a poster on here?
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
This is what I want.
Thanks to Jeff at the BBC. It’s about time Mike waged his own war with the OSU fans instead of making his little minions like me do the dirty work.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
This one is kind of a long-standing war. I’m just taking the righteous path after an over-the-line comment about life.
by Jeff at the BBC on Nov 15, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
Nobody asked you to fight on the BSD front lines. I’m just the toy maker. I wind it up and set it in motion, and then I just sit back and watch.
I don’t blame Tressell. I would have done the same thing. But like Rambler said, there were OSU fans in here Saturday night demanding we show Pryor the respect he deserves. I’m just saying I wasn’t impressed with him considering the hype that comes along with him.
But like I said in the comments on the BBC, it was a good win for you guys. Congrats. Have a good season and we’ll see you next year. But I still think Pryor is overrated, and after three years I don’t think I’ll ever change my mind on that.
Bingo.
Your blog, your opinion, and some people do agree with you.
Speaking of never changing our minds…
I think the movie The Hangover was overrated. So many jokes fell flat to me. Was it good? Yeah. Was it great and deserving of all the praise it got? Definitely not.
Dark Knight feeling, die and be a hero-or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.-Jay-Z
brother.... is that you?
we may have more in common than we know gcdyersb
anchorman is probably my all time favorite comedy…Will Ferrell’s peak.
although Ferrell as Ashley Schaeffer is pretty awesome too
no Ashley Schaeffer in season two
that’s a problem
I still enjoyed the second year though. It’s gotta be tough to keep writing for that show though, where do they take it form here? he can’t keep trying to play baseball forever
"For a minute there I thought Ashley Schaffer was a woman"
“I’ll take that as a compliment because I like woman”
"Personal Attack"- R. Aceto
by Bob Sacamano on Nov 15, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
woo
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 15, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oh thanks god
I thought I was the only one that thought that movie was just ok. It’s like that and Napoleon Dynomite. God I hate that movie.
"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"
I thought Hangover was fantastic and I will still love it in 10 years
though when its on TNT or TBS or whatever it will be terrible. Napoleon Dynamite on the other hand was a complete waste of my time and nowhere near the amount of hype it got.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
I love the Hangover
and will enjoy watching it another 100×.
Oh, we got both kinds. We got country AND western
the hangover made me laugh
and I think Zack Galikdhipcbsuovbowuis is hilarious. I just didn’t think it was ZOMGAWESOME.
I can see that
Galifanakis is always hilarious.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
if you haven't already..
…do yourself a favor and go to funnyordie.com
the “between two ferns” series with Zack are stinkin hilarious
see, now you crossed the line
Uncle Rico alone made Napoleon worth it, and miles better than hangover
Betcha I can throw a football over them mountains.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Any movie I could quote for hours on end is a good one in my book
And I can def. do that with Napoleon Dynamite.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
I hated Napoleon Dynamite the first time I watched now
but it gets funnier and funnier if you watch it again
400. That is all.
ND sucks as much as the school of the same initials.
Just awful.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I'm with you on The Hangover
Yeah, I laughed and had a good time seeing it in the theater but it hindsight I’d rank it up there with Tom Hank’s Bachlor Party and will have no legs.
by Frank O'Brien on Nov 15, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
As for Pryor, I'm looking forward to getting another shot at him next year
Provided, of course, our young LBs learn to tackle between now and then.
by Frank O'Brien on Nov 15, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
PSU really needs to teach their guys how to tackle, lots of missed/broken tackles.
Also – they need to run threw the runner and not just hop on for a ride
Hire Mike Pettine Jr!!!!!!!!
I think they went to that Gerg camp we saw last week.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Yeah, they look like that guy who's father was a pro wrestler...just jumping on piles:)
Hire Mike Pettine Jr!!!!!!!!
by SweepTheLeg on Nov 15, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Well...
They have to create piles first… The landing zone has been missing against the better teams, it seems.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Plagued tackles have Gbadyu and Colasanti arrgh those two are likethe plague
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Well this thread is about to quickly deteriorate so its time to get work done.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
Give Pryor credit
for the pass to Posey on the 1st drive. Lynn’s coverage was darn near perfect and he dropped that one right into the bread basket. Now the arm punt TD to Sanzenbacher, well, that was just silly. But you know what: we have shown that we simply cannot defend these arm punts and Pryor will keep throwing them until we do. Last year a perfect arm punt basically ended the game when Sukay was too slow to cover ground in the 8 seconds that ball was in the air. This year we had two guys there to defend an arm punt and still failed to stop it.
The arm punt TD was lucky, yes. But it still counts. Our D can’t stop arm punts, and Pryor has exploited that weakness repeatedly.
Agreed. That was a perfect pass.
I feared he would be “on” like that all game. He wasn’t, but it turned out not to matter anyway.
Hmm, maybe their gameplan is
1. arm punt for easy TDs
2. catch PSU’s passes for easier TDs
Seems to work.
"People ask me why I've stayed here so long, and you know what, look around, look around," he said as the crowd roared. "Now that the celebration's over, let's go beat Ohio State!"
-Joe Paterno, 11/06/2010
I'll give him a ton of credit for that first pass to Posey.
Terrific throw, right placement. Great coverage by Lynn couldn’t stop it. Sometimes, you’re just get beat and tip your cap.
The TD to Sanzenbacher was just stupid. I know it still counts, but that’s a “right place, right time” type of play. Good for Sanzenbacher for being alert enough to catch it, but Pryor made a terrible read, threw an awful ball into excellent coverage and got away with it. What can ya do?
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 15, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
This defense
just isn’t that hard to play against right now, and I think it’s because there’s not as much speed as in recent years. Let’s face it, we were giving up a lot of yards to Michigan an NW too.
Joe Paterno Apologist
Our ends get no pressure and two of our LBs just aren't
as good as we expect them to be. Stupar is up and down, but a good player. Mauti is far and away our best ‘backer. Fortt is a freshman and has been injured. Hodges just became a linebacker last year and is a sophomore who’s still getting his feet wet. Mike Hull is redshirting. Colasanti is an excellent player between the tackles, but just isn’t athletic enough to cut off a runner before they get to the corner. Bani has all the athletic ability in the world but just looks completely lost.
We’d be in great shape is our starting LBs were Mauti and Stupar on the outside with a Bani?Colasanti hybrid manning the middle! But in all seriousness, if everyone was healthy enough, we should’ve seen Bani slide down to stand-up DE to really help us rush the passer.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 15, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
The DEs are the biggest problem.
With no consistent pressure from the outside everything else suffers, especially pass defense. PSU needs a DE to step up next year….maybe one of them needs to throw a guy through a glass door to light a fire under them.
This is getting pathetic
I’ve never seen a college football blog so vehemently attack a player on the opposing team. I know this is a far-cry from a journalistic enterprise, but there are certain standards that even ‘bloggers’ should adhere too.
I’m sorry that you still think the fifth highest rated QB in the country is still horrible and “will never amount to anything in life.” No one is accusing you of wanting Pryor on the team – the point is that your (and PSU fans in general) attacks on Pryor are because he stiffed you in recruiting. It’s not envy — it’s bitterness, of the worst sort.
I’m a little disappointed in Mike’s attitude, but I’d say, at least from these comments, there is a great deal of moderation on part of PSU fans. This crowd may or may not represent the total PSU fanbase, but other than the original premise, I have no problems with these fans’ comments.
Granted, I don't know what down it is..
exactly how...
…are tOSU fans NOT supposed to think Mikeis bitter about missing out on Pryor when he comes off so…well…bitter? And after he gets called out, instead of cooling his jets, he doubles down:
“This goes way beyond just one dumb remark. He’s been giving interviews for three years now, and he still sounds like he can barely speak the english language.”
I mean, WTF? Do you feel like a big man now, Mike?
by luckynewman13 on Nov 15, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I love the fact that tOSU fans are suffering from bunched briches syndrome over this.
I really, really do.
Grow some thick skin and lose the inferiority complex.
And no, I don’t wish PSU had Pryor. I’d be embarrassed if he was the face of the blue and white. Hell, I was disappointed with McGloin’s “played not to lose” comment. He should know better, and if he doesn’t, someone needs to tell him to shut his mouth.
MainLion, you really need to look at the PSU fanbase if you’re giving advice on thick skin. Believe me, there is no inferiority complex. We’ve got Pryor and you’ve got McGloin; it is what it is.
Granted, I don't know what down it is..
You need to find a dictionary quickly.
Inferiority complex doesn’t meant what you think it means. Continuously trying to find fault in a person/team despite their dominance over you is the definition of inferiority complex. OSU fans aren’t the ones that keep bad-mouthing PSU players – we leave the discussions/trash-talking to football related subjects unless otherwise provoked.
You’ve used this “inferiority complex” argument a dozen times, and it just sounds silly coming from a PSU fan. Inferiority or insecurity complex signifies the need to compensate or excuse poor performance. That would hardly apply when you compare OSU to PSU football.
Let's be clear.
You’re correct—inferiority is the wrong word. I should have used insecurity.
And let me get this straight. OSU won. I don’t deny this (I’m not the former Iraqi Minister of Information). Shoot, with the halftime adjustments, they were downright dominating. OSU has a heck of a coach. And OSU has exciting end of season games and bowl prospects ahead. And, despite this, OSU fans are still perusing a PSU football blog, wearing their Mighty Mouse capes as they try to save the day for Pryor?
And we’re the insecure ones?
Get real.
That’s what blogs are for. To stimulate discussions. If I see some asinine comments on a blog I frequently visit on a subject I disagree with, should I just ignore it just because the game has already been played? What’s the point of comments then? For PSU fans to get a circle jerk going and agree with each other? If this blog doesn’t want non-PSU fans to engage in discussion, they should make that clear.
who was the classy fan that made the sign that said
Sue Paterno – Necrophiliac?
Coaches and players are fair game, but the wife of a coach? Really?
400. That is all.
I don't agree with Mike's comment
though I doubt Pryor’s future is as a QB. He could be a TE that makes Antonio Gates look ordinary. He’s too good of an athlete not to get a look at some level in the NFL.
As a college QB, he’s very effective. Dominant, not really. I’ll repeat what I said earlier. He moves the chains and makes a big play several times per game. He’s a Krenzel with added bonus of absurd size and speed. He’s especially good getting outside the pocket, making a few guys miss, and either running or hitting a guy crossing down field.
When it comes to passing, well, arm punt really describes a lot of those balls he puts up deep. I can’t argue against their effectiveness. They beat us two years in a row. But just like with Tebow’s slo-mo release, I don’t think NFL scouts are going to be viewing this as a positive. Put up 50-50 balls against athletes of even quality, and the result is less good. The arm punt’s success against PSU is as much a testament to the ability of the OSU WRs and the struggles of the PSU secondary. Against NFL-level safeties, arm punt is a less good strategy in my opinion though he should milk it for what it is worth against lower quality opponents.
Look, I'll be honest here..
and please keep in mind this is from an outsider’s perspective. All of you know a good bit more about the players & coaches than I do. I looked at PSU’s schedule and figured them for 3 losses, 4 at the outside. I based this on PSU breaking in a new QB (as it turned out), an unsettled offensive line, and a lot of holes to fill in back-7. And their schedule.
I think things got a littlle dicey when the injuries started to pile up, the the coaching staff seemed to keep things together. I think it helps that you’ve got one of the best DC’s in the country in Bradley to help hold things together.
I think it’s a growing pain type of thing with your QB situation, but with a couple of capable young pups in Bolden & McGloin competing for the starting job, that’s probably a nice situation to be in for the next 2-3 years.
This is just “one of those years”. The Nitts went into Columbus and played hard (almost too hard for my liking) and eventually got overwhelmed. It happens. I think when you’ve got a young team, if the kids play hard and stay focused, that’s all you can ask of them. The lumps get taken this year, but they’ll be a lot better team coming out of this.
Granted, I don't know what down it is..
No, it's not.
the point is that your (and PSU fans in general) attacks on Pryor are because he stiffed you in recruiting. It’s not envy — it’s bitterness, of the worst sort.
Look, Pryor comes off as mouthy and immature. He’s said things that are flat out ridiculous (“Everybody steals…” etc.) or flat out disrespectful (“We would’ve beaten Wisconsin 9 out of 10 times”) to other teams. Other teams, particularly your rivals, are going to seize on that and criticize him for it. Additionally, while Pryor is a great athlete, he’s a mediocre passer. I don’t care what the stats say. I see with my eyes, and I see a kid who throws lollipops that does not have an NFL arm. He plays on a great team and wins. Congratulations, but he’s not going to get a free pass here, especially because of the hype he’s received, the statements he’s made, and the number of Ohio State fans who have come to this blog begging to have us annoint him. He’s fine, but really, I’ve been much more impressed with Dan Persa, and that’s the reality of the situation.
I don’t know if what Mike said about succeeding in life is fair to Pryor; I don’t know him personally and above all else, I really don’t care. But this is life in a rivalry. No one is bitter – Pryor’s made himself an easy target, so he is one in a border war rivalry. Your Buckeye friend KenK has been involved in pretty reasonable conversation here today. I’d suggest you follow his lead.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 15, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Block quote fail. Everything from "Look," on down is mine.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 15, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently, we just don't get it...
Someone needs to tell Mike that his vendetta against Pryor is just getting stupid. We get it Mike, you said something stupid about Pryor once, then tBBC said something stupid in retaliation, now neither of you is man enough to back down and admit you both said something stupid and baseless.
Do you honestly think tOSU fans really care all that much about Pryor’s development? Do you even understand what you are saying to them when you hurl these insults? You’re saying this “You’re vaunted QB is a huge bust, and you can still beat the living crap out of us!”
If Pryor sucks so much…WHY THE HECK ARE WE LOSING BY 24 POINTS? I’m sure Buckeye fans are home right now feeling bittersweet over the win because Pryor isn’t getting Heisman consideration anymore, please. Bit of advice, the next time we get plastered by a better team, it does ZERO service to our program saying the other team (or their players) is awful, if they are then we should have won. NO EXCUSES, learn and move on.
I hope this isn't serious. We've admitted all day that Ohio State is a better team this year.
We’re losing by 24 points because our QB threw 2 pick-sixes and a Hail Mary into double coverage was somehow batted away to another player who had no play on the ball.
I doubt Mike really cares what Ohio State fans outside this blog think about Pryor’s development. The fact that four sentences in a multi-paragraph review of our defense has generated so much commentary is totally ridiculous.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 15, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
This person only signed up to make this comment,
so he’s either serious or an OSU fan in disguise.
My mojo is broken :o(
Personally I think the fact that those four sentences have generated so much controversy
Is exactly what Mike intended.
It’s link-bait. Classic blogger move. Not that he needs the extra traffic. (now watch him ban me again for that statement)
I happen to agree with him, but I’m sure that’s not surprising. Bitterness about Pryor not choosing PSU? That part is what’s just so laughable. TP is simply not Penn State material.
excuse me, what?
“I doubt Mike really cares what Ohio State fans outside this blog think about Pryor’s development. The fact that four sentences in a multi-paragraph review of our defense has generated so much commentary is totally ridiculous.”
First of all, just because something stupid is written in a brief manner doesn’t make it any less stupid. And please, we all know Mike was prepared: “This is the part where the Ohio State fans reading this and looking for red meat get what they came for.” He knew exactly what he was doing.
I just don’t like the personal attacks, if you honestly thin Pryor is a bust that’s great…keep it on the field, I don;t believe these attacks are just “in good fun”. And @paige2PSU, this is my first comment. I was so livid at the lack of sportsmanship MY team is showing that I had to say something. Don;t believe me, that’s fine…even if I am a buckeye fan my point is still valid. keep it on the field.
by LineBackerYOU on Nov 15, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
I apologize for the personal attack.
But I don’t think you understand the context of Mike’s comment and you read it one way, while I read it another. I also don’t have much respect for Pryor as a person, so maybe that’s why it didn’t strike me the same way that it did you. I actually can’t believe that Pryor admitted he was coming back to break all the records. Even if that’s what Royster was doing, at least he didn’t say it out loud. OSU was the better team, I’m happy we were winning in the first half and playing so well. I haven’t said anything unsportsmanlike about OSU. But I will stick up for my blog.
My mojo is broken :o(
well...
he may have said something to the effect of “I want come back to break all the records”, but we all know he’s coming back because he won’t be drafted before the 4th round. All that says to me is that he’s insecure.
And once again—and maybe Pryor just should keep his mouth shut from now on—he’s just a kid and isn’t a professional (as far as we know, lol). When I was that age I was pretty idiotic myself, and I didn’t have YouTube and 24/7 ESPNews to deal with, I think we all need to step back and realize the very real pressures these kids are under.
by LineBackerYOU on Nov 15, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think part of the issue is that he really may BE a professional
At least based on what he said about “making money around here” last week.
Also?
People keep making the “when I was that age I made pretty idiotic statements” argument.
But the fact that they can write an articulate sentence puts them already ahead of TP. Also they never back that up with saying how much of a success they actually turned out to be.
lo, okay
I’m now the CEO of a major transnational corporation…does that now make my point valid? Or could this just be a blog post and any attempt at trumpeting my success would be impossible to verify, therefor pointless to disclose.
A Division 1 athlete at a major college program is inarticulate? Wow, that’s a rarity to be sure.
Welcome to College Football
by LineBackerYOU on Nov 15, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well it's better than
saying “I was an idiot as a kid and said stupid things”
and then it turns out you’re a 25 yr old checker at Walmart or something. Right? :)
We’re just looking at “success in life” predictors here. Being able to speak a coherent sentence is a prerequisite. Unless you DO end up being a pro-athlete or a rap star, and even then the whole “success” thing is often debatable.
I too have been troubled by this argument as well as similar ones
like the one that says “give him a break he’s just a kid”
As a college student, I actually find this argument somewhat insulting.
He’s a kid in his third(?) year at a major university!! What if I’m a “kid” too? In that case am I allowed set some kind of expectations for my peers? What if I, as a college student, think TP is behind the curve? As his peer I feel just fine not cutting him any slack. From what I can see, he really isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
by scotty2hotty89 on Nov 16, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions

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