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Penn State Offensive Grades vs Ohio State Edition: Of Swagger and Pucker and The Rhythm Method

Key play of the game?  That's some mano a mano shit right there, and you might not know it from the pic, but Jermale Hines won this battle with Silas Redd.  Penn State passed up 3 sure field goal points to give Redd this chance, and they would not score again.

In the last of the brutal 2010 road games (with all due respect and apology to the RalJohn Hoosiers), Penn State went in to Columbus and began playing like they could not only contend, but like they fully intended and expected to walk out with a W.  The momentum that began with a 47-second end-of-half drive against Northwestern the week before (and which continued in that game's second half to the tune of four more consecutive touchdown drives) carried over to this week vs the hated Buckeyes.  The Scranton Slinger walked into the Horsehoe to face the nation's # 3-ranked scoring defense and continued with the inspired and audacious play that has won so many Lion hearts these past few weeks.

And then the second half happened.

The final score was 38-14, an obliteration of the 17-point Vegas spread more than a few college football fans were skeptical of, and reasonable* Penn State fans were left to ponder the might-have beens, will-we-next-years the can-we-evers. Let's dive in and take a closer look at the Penn State offense after the jump.

Star-divide

Of Rhythm

In a trend started the previous week vs. Northwestern, Penn State's entire team played with a communal sense of rhythm.  On offense, the coaches kept the playcalling and RB substitution balanced, McGloin made good decisions in finding open receivers for first downs, and the offensive line paved the right holes for the running game to earn positive yards and, most importantly, burn clock time.  The importance of this cannot be overstated.  This whole team is young and inexperienced, but with a defense hurting from a lack of Dline depth and sporting the least-cohesive linebacker rotation since Puz was a freshman, mounting long drives and dominating time of possession against a physical and athletic Ohio State running game would be critical.  In the first half, this was successful (18:34 to 11:26).  In the second half, not so much (10:42 to 19:18 )

The Penn State O started off with a three and out.  Not so swaggerific.  But they came out firing, and balanced.  After a first-down incompletion, Evan Royster got 7 yards on 2nd down and only 2 of the 3 needed on 3rd down, before punting. Drive One Grade: F+ (3 and out = F; +, for setting the table for some nice first half eatin).

The real fun started on Drive Two, a 10-play, 67-yard touchdown scoring drive that ate 4:28 off the clock.  McGloin was sensational.  His reads were sharp, as were his passes. He found Brackett, Zug and Royster to move the chains to the OSU 46 and then it was the Justin Brown show.  Last week we went spelunking in the speculation cave and wondered aloud how open we might expect the PSU receivers to get against Chimdi Chekwa and Devon Torrence and reminded our readers that Justin Brown is a 'big guy and pretty physical.'  On this drive, he got open against Chekwa for 11 yards, against Torrence for 12 and then found himself alone with McGloin's 23-yard pass amidst a heavy blitz, for Penn State's first ever touchdown pass in Columbus in the Joe Paterno era.  Drive Two Grade: A (for decent balance, solid pass-protection, a composed QB, and a touchdown).

Of Swagger

You know how JoePa always says 'you take what the defense gives you?'  And you know how that always rubbed you the wrong way, cuz, well, why don't we just take what we want?  On Drive Three Penn State took what they wanted. (The Penn State D got the ball back after a TP 1st down scamper and an OSU false start penalty helped force a punt).  Showcasing more balance and good decision-making by both coaches and quarterback, PSU made four first downs (2 rushing, 2 passing) across an 11-play, 82-yard drive that ate 6:08 off the clock, and had this viewer feeling pretty good about our chances.  McGloin capped the drive with a tight and timely touchdown pass to Moye on a slant into good coverage on a play that turned The Shoe into The Shush (well, except for the boos).  This drive reminded me of the second half against Northwestern, but was ten times more satisfying because of the caliber of players it came against.  Drive Three Grade: A+ (for Swagger, Balance, a TD, an increased lead, and inspiring the home crowd to boo their own team in a still-winnable game).

Drive Four was a little more of the same, but perhaps a smidge too much swagger.  (In more everything's-going-right synergy, the PSU D tightened and forced a punt after Dan Herron ran over Chris Colasanti for two first downs).  They got the ball back on the 20 after a touchback punt, and proceeded to go back to work like nothing was amiss.  When Cam Heyward and Jermale Hines stuffed Royster for a 1-yard gain, McGloin found Derek Moye open for a 14-yard first down.  When Dexter Larimore and John Simon stuffed Silas Redd for no gain and McGloin went incomplete to Mike Zordich, Galen Hall dialed up a perfectly-timed screen play that Stephfon Green turned into a 26-yard first down.  They went right back to Green on a rush behind Wiz and Okoli for 8 yards on the next play, and after Royster was held to 1 yard on 3rd down, JoePa gave McGloin the go-ahead to sneak for Penn State's second fourth-down conversion of the day.  With the clock at 2:55, they passed incomplete to Zug on first down and went back to the run on 2nd, another Heyward stuff of Royster for 1 yard.  On 3rd and 9, tho, Royster broke free behind Stefen Wizniewski and Chima Okoli again and got 8 of the 9 needed yards, putting JoePa into another 4th down pickle.  In what could accurately be described as a key momentum-turning play, JoePa: a. Went for it and b. Called a sweep against one of the most athletic defenses in the country.  Silas Redd is a very, very fine athlete, and even got a nice stiff arm on Hines, but in the end he was out-physical'd and dragged to the ground by Hines, short of the first down, and Penn State got no points.

I can see how the coaches got there.  Penn State was moving the chains consistently, even considering their D was stuffing them on a fair share of runs.  A first down there, and a punch in for another touchdown puts PSU up by three scores and gives the good guys crazy momentum heading into the second half against a top ten team on the road.  Thing is, that's a top-ten defense out there too, and fourth downs are risky and hard, and it was a long 1 yard.  And, perhaps most importantly, the FG gives you 3 points and a two-touchdown lead as it is.  Would it have sent a message of pucker to the lads who had been working so hard?  Eh, perhaps, but Joe's got an old history of playing safe and smart and could still rationalize it to them with some gentle reminders: You're playing well.  We're on the road.  There's a lot of football to be played.  We may need the points.  Keep playing hard.  Alas, Joe made the call and we had what we had.  In the end, events of the second half rendered it largely moo, but momentum's a strange thing.  Drive Four Grade: C- (moved the chains, converted a fourth down, went 60 yards on 13 plays and ate 5:44 of clock; got stuffed on 4th down, scored no points after being in FG range).

The Penn State defense continued its inspired play and forced a three and out, and gave the ball back to McGloin on the PSU 24 with :51 seconds left.  But this wasn't the Northwestern game, and they weren't down 21-0, so Joe wisely holstered his Scranton Sidearm and headed into halftime up 14-3.  Drive Five Grade: Incomplete.

Of Momentum, and Its Shiftiness

And that's where things got ugly: halftime.  In all fairness, it most likely began in the OSU locker room, where Coach Jim Tressel rallied his talented troops with a spirited halftime talk (h/t Along the Olentangy for the link; PSA.for any Penn Staters interested in reading an Ohio State blog more than two weeks out of the year: this may be one to keep an eye on).  I'm with Devon Torrence (first time ever, I promise) and wish somebody would've recorded it:

You could just see it in his eyes, and he was fired up. I've never seen it in the four years I've been here. I didn't know it was there. . . . I've seen him a little bit angry, but there was just something different about him that just caught the whole team.

Anybody wanna guess what choice words he had for his defense about McGloin?  Whatever they were, they worked.  Well, along with the adjustments he and Jim Heacock made.  After watching McGloin pick apart the middle of the field with great timing and great reads, they began disguising their zone coverage as man and coached the DBs to watch McGloin's eyes, betting he wouldn't stay as composed in disguising his own intents.  He didn't, and it worked.  It took a drive to manifest, but after the final downs of Drive Six, this game was effectively over.

Now, if Joe was worried what kind of pucker message kicking a FG to wrap up a long drive in the first half might send, he didn't show it on the first drive of the second.  They rushed Royster for 5 yards, then McGloin found Justin Brown again for another 12-yard first down, then Green got a first on a well-disguised draw play for 10 yards.  Then they unleashed the dragon and sent Devon Smith streaking down the sideline, where McGloin hit him in the hands in stride for a, wait for it.......incompletion.  That's right, what looked like a 25+ yard gain turned into 2nd and 10 and you could just feel the wind drop out of McGloin's sails.  He got 6 yards on a completion on 3rd down, but 10 was needed, and Penn State had to punt to a very hungry Ohio State offense (who proceeded to march 96 yards for a touchdown in a dramatic announcement that things were indeed different).  Drive Six Grade: D+ (two nice first downs, a general conveyance that they intended to continue to compete; a massive dropped pass and a punt).

Of Pucker

Momentum's a very powerful thing in a sport played by 18-23 year-olds, and it has some nasty side effects.  For Penn State, playing in Columbus, it's Pucker.  The coaches lose faith, the whole team clams up, gaining a single first down seems nigh impossible and any swagger or success, even those experienced a short 25 minutes before, seem like distant memories.  The Penn State defense, earlier a strong ally to the offense, fell to it too.  Well, to it and to OSU's Tressel-inspired offensive line and to Dan Herron, who took advantage of a Mauti-less linebacking corps and bullied our tired and shallow lads for 190 yards on 21 carries on the day.  With the defense now leaking like a sieve, with the zero- point-4th-down stuff, with the Devon Smith dropped pass, and with the Buckeyes O playing like they're fully capable of, all hell broke loose in Drives 7 through 10:

Drive 7: One first down before the first McSix.  Grade: Z-

Drive 8: Three and out, punt. Grade: F

Drive 9: Three and out, punt.  Grade: F

Drive 10: An incompletion, a two-yard rush, the second McSix: Grade: Z-

And just for good measure:

Drive 11: Robert Bolden came in to loosen up his arm with three incompletions and a punt.  To be clear, Anthony Fera provided the punt; given the two pick-sixes on the ledger above, there will be no arm punting joke here.  Grade: F

Takeaways?

Eh, a few.  Most of them obvious.

1. Ohio State remains good. Their offensive line could be real fun to watch, if you're into that (I am) and if you're not watching them maul your team's defense (I was).  And their defense remains aggressive and well-coached.  With all due respect to Coach Green, they are who we thought they were.  Congrats to the Buckeyes on another fine win.

2. We're not good enough to win the tough games yet.  Duh, right?  We're young and not deep enough on the Dline and we've got some very un-LBU issues to figure out on that unit before next year, but mostly, the whole team (coaches included, but with an asterisk) hasn't yet learned how to play well enough for 60 minutes to beat a good team on the road.

3. We showed some real fight.  Sure it's easy to go all macho man football man and declare bromides like 'there are no moral victories,' but with a little semantics on your side, you can crush that argument and effectively assert that we're getting better.  Nobody who watched the first half, including the very un-cheery 100,000 Buckeye fans in the Shoe, would say we failed to compete.

4. Some of our receivers are pretty good.  I'm not gonna pile on Dayvon, cuz I'm sure he feels bad enough, but Justin Brown and Derek Moye both come back next year.  That's got to be exciting to whomever wins the QB battles.

5. The Oline remains a mystery headed into next year.  They had some pretty good pass protection, especially in the first half when McGloin went, what, 13-16 for 141 and 2TDs?  OSU's athletes are really good against the run, but we still managed 113 yards, albeit on a 3.5 ypc average.  That has got to improve, and maybe it would have had we kept up a successful aerial attack and not given their DBs 14 points.  We lose Wiz, who has really stepped up here these last few weeks, and Klopacz (whose replacement should probably be an upgrade), but Barham, Troutman and Okoli all come back.  Troutman's certainly possible to end up in the doghouse again, but watching film on him playing to his potential (like vs. Mich, NW these past few weeks) can't get much more fun.  And then there's the endless debate about the Oline coaches and can they coach up the young recruits, some of whom will have been on campus for 3 years next year.

6. Quarterback remains a position of strength.  That sounds laughable after two pick sixes, right?  Well, if you think the Neck-bearded One didn't get the Buckeyes' attention in the first half, we weren't watching the same game.  It's ridiculously tough to keep a top-ten defense that off-balance for too long (/not an excuse for debilitating pick sixes).  Bolden, for better or worse, is probably a little less delusional about his own abilities and brings heaps of talent and potential to the imminent off-season battle.

7. These next two games are definitely winnable.  Let's get our tailgate on at Danny's House next week, and then get ready to welcome Sparty and D'antonio to Happy Valley over Thanksgiving weekend.  We're far enough removed from the heart attack to be guilt-free in reminding everyone anew what a douche Sparty's coach is, right?  Somebody get the Slow States guys on the phone to answer this one for us.  We may have only been 32 minutes away from pulling for Michigan to keep our four-way tie hopes alive, but now that Brutus killed that one not so softly, let's at least trash Sparty's dream season, right?  And apologies to my Michigan buddy, Mike F, who's given me totally classy Big Ten Football talks these past few weeks since I busted his balls after the big game in Happy Valley a few weeks ago, because now I'm in the position of rooting for Wiscy and Iowa to break Brutus' stranglehold on the shared Big Ten titles.

*Despite getting mauled 35-0 in the second half, PSU's first-half dominance was so plain to see that it seems to have kept some of the Penn State doomsayers from spitting too much anti-PSU vitriol. 

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I was going to make a joke about it,

but I didn’t want to get the Fire Jay! crowd fired up.

My mojo is broken :o(

by Paige2PSU on Nov 15, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

FIRE JAYPA

HE IS TEH SUCK!?

"People ask me why I've stayed here so long, and you know what? Look around, look around. Now that the celebration's over, let's go beat Ohio State."

~Joe Vincent Paterno

by jman07 on Nov 16, 2010 6:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Personnel Attack!

Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

Theoretically, TP, Posey, Boom and the bulk of the O-line return. Defense…well that’s a different story but I’m not worried about not scoring next year. Giving up points? Sure that might be a problem but I highly doubt next year will be 13-6.

by Onestatewest on Nov 15, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Sanzenbacher, Heyward, Larimore, and Chekwa are gone.

I have no confidence in OSU’s secondary whatsoever. Hines is easily your best player in that department, and HE’S gone next year.

Torrence is also gone. But good riddance, as he’s a walking PI machine.

BTW, I’m a Wisconsin fan.

Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 15, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You forgot two of the o-linemen along with Rolle and Homan.

"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh boy, that is NOT setting up to be a great season for OSU next year

Pryor can’t pass if he has essentially two more revolving doors on his OL (in addition to Mike Adams and Shugarts)

Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 15, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh,

Tyler Moeller was our best defensive player until he was knocked out for the season. Barring a huge dick move by the NCAA (wouldn’t shock me either) he’ll be back next year with a medical red shirt.

C.J. Barnett was also a guy that played out of his mind until he was knocked out for the season. That’s two guys who were turning out to be two of our top defenders that will be back in the secondary.

Plus, if you go by consistency and performance, Nate Williams has been our best defender this year since the Moeller injury. Unless he goes pro, he’ll be back.

Most buckeye fans will be glad to see Torrence and Chekwa go. I think they both get bad wraps at times, but I do like what I see with Travis Howard so far. We also get a transfer corner back coming in as a senior to play for us next year. Dionte Allen from Florida State and he’ll start next year in all likelihood.

Linebackers may be a tough spot, but Sweat has been good and we’ll be returning. Etienne Sabino will probably start at MIKE, so we’ll have to bank on his talent carrying him.

Not to forget about John Simon and Johnathan “HE ATE ME” Hankins. John Simon is better than Larimore in my opinion and Hankins will fill in fine next year plugging holes.

This situation is not as bad as it looks.

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on Nov 15, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Moeller was an FS, right?

I know Hines was basically floating all over where Tressel wanted him.

Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 15, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Moeller was a Star

The Star position is basically like a nickel back, but its not really situational anymore like it used to be. Its pretty much as much a starting position as linebacker and safety are with tOSU’s defense.

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on Nov 15, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Frankly, this is the same thing optimistic fans say after every year.

It’s basically the same was what I was saying about our team during the summer.

Chekwa and Torrence are both really good cornerbacks. I have no clue as to why you would want them to leave. Ohio State is going to take a step back on defense without guys like Heyward, Homan, Rolle, Hines, Larimore, and the aforementioned cornerbacks. My feeling right now is that Ohio State will probably be around 9-3.

"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say I wanted Torrence or Chekwa to leave

I said most Ohio State fans will probably be glad to see them leave. In all honesty, this discussion is ridiculous. We’re talking about next year. Why? I’m not quite sure. Sounds kind of stupid being that we’re still in November of the 2010 season and all.

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on Nov 15, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is it stupid? We're football fans. We talk about football.

I’m talking about next year’s game because I’m looking forward to it.

Also, in reference to your first sentence, the word “you” can have different meanings. Mine wasn’t clear enough.

"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess

the season just goes by so fast, thinking of this season already close to being over gives me a bad feeling.

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on Nov 15, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Hope you have a snow blower.

Or a sturdy shovel.

2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it

by jman07 on Nov 16, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

NICE SIG.

2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."

by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 16, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for it

I hope you don’t mind fellow BSD’er!

2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it

by jman07 on Nov 16, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

no problem

2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."

by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 16, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

If there's one team I would bank on to exceed expectations

It would be OSU. As much as I hate to say it, they have been very, very consistent under Sweatervest as a double-digit win team.

by psuwxman on Nov 16, 2010 7:10 AM EST up reply actions  

As I said

the defense will take a bit of a step back with the offense taking a step forward. I have heard this same jazz every two years from other fans. One team progresses and the other regresses, regardless of depth or talent. Looking at the schedule…Nebraska maybe? I guess you are including PSU as a loss despite being away again…Michigan? Or is your feeling just “wow, they lose people”?

by Onestatewest on Nov 16, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't be so insecure.

If Ohio State loses to Iowa this week (Certainly not out of the question since the stats seem to say the teams are almost dead even with a bit of an advantage for Ohio State), they’ll most likely finish 10-3 or 11-2. Is it really that crazy to think Ohio State goes from 11-2 this year to 10-3 next year with guys as talented as Heyward departing?

I see losses at Miami, at Nebraska, and at home versus Penn State. Miami was close this year and they return enough people to beat OSU early in the season. Nebraska should also be very good and since it’s in Lincoln, that seemed like an easy one. think Penn State wins because Penn State returns many, many more players than just about everyone in the Big Ten and because this year’s road games should pay off in terms of experience.

"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand

Why it is so hard for them to even contemplate the idea of losing multiple games in a season. Not every season can be sunshine and roses.

2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it

by jman07 on Nov 16, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

just some quick thoughts that popped into my head other than.... first! (damn you rambler) second :(

1. If We would have went for it on first down and made it and possibly scored… it would have been amazing and a genious idea…. unfortunatly, we went for it and came up short… we were 2/2 and moving the ball well…. and Silas redd was averaging 7.1 yards per carry.

2. I love the Mc Six and Z-

3. If you thought the student section was empty at other games…. wait till thanksgiving weekend…

4. for all the bolden supporters out there( i admit he’s good but mcgloin has the hot hand) he came in and did nothing… went 3 and out, and did nothing. if he was amazing… couldn’t he have come in and led us down the field? McGloin is the hot hand right now…

5. The wrestling team is a Beast!

For the Glory of Old State

by PSULion29 on Nov 15, 2010 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

and wow...

that is a NASTY picture of Silas Redd giving the stiff arm….

For the Glory of Old State

by PSULion29 on Nov 15, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Just made that pic my laptop's wallpaper

It makes me happy

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"

by NJ lion on Nov 15, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh wait, that’s the 4th and 1??
May need to change the pic.

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"

by NJ lion on Nov 15, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

My neck hurts just looking at it…

Granted, I don't know what down it is..

by KenK on Nov 15, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, that was a darn good play

by the Buckeye. He fought off that brutal stiff arm and hung on to help stop him short of the 1st down. Big play by him, truth be told.

by J Breezy on Nov 15, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you really gonna judge Bolden

on one possession during garbage time? Especially since he hadn’t seen action since Q1 of the jNW game, and before that, the first half of the Minnesota game. He hasn’t really had much of a chance to get his in-game rhythm back.

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Nov 15, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty tough to come into a game cold...

…and immediately have success. It took McGloin a few series against Northwestern at home. And that was Northwestern at home, not OSU on the road. There was nothing to be learned from Bolden’s series against OSU.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Nov 15, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll never forget the feeling this game left me with

So few times does Penn State play beyond its potential on the road against a superior opponent. Very rarely if ever is that opponent Ohio State. And for that reason, we had 2 quarters of jubilation. It looked easy. It looked damn easy. We passed, we ran, we converged on 3rd down, we went for on 4th, we got redzone TD’s. God it was good.

Then halftime. Then the wheels fell off. Completely off. Green got hurt. Mauti was hurt. Our two most vocal leaders, gone. Our WR’s couldn’t catch a cold. McGloin had no idea what coverage he was throwing into. Then Royster was hurt. Then OSU got a miraculous 50 yard TD just to make absolutely sure PSU knew this was not their day.

I have never felt so good about one half of PSU football and so bad about the next half. It’s like a total contradiction. It’s like this cognitive dissonance to have a game I remember with 50% fondness and 50% disgust. Wierd. This whole season has been wierd.

McGloin Despite Them

Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010

by millzners on Nov 15, 2010 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it

2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."

by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 15, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It’s definitely the hallmark of a young and extremely talented team. I know that’s becoming a cliche but its true. We play like no one can stop us for a half at a time, and then play like we’re incapable of winning another game for another. I feel excited for next year and this offseason. Lots of stuff to look forward to. The B&W especially.

McGloin Despite Them

Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010

by millzners on Nov 15, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I agree with you.

I was hoping the QB and LB situation would have been settled by now, but apparently not.

In due time I guess.

2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."

by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 15, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

LB

I just don’t understand how we’re still playing some of these guys at LB. One guy in particular, you think, man if the guy behind him is somehow worse, we’re in big trouble. Put a FB in there, put a freshman in there, anything. How could it get worse? It scares me a little.

McGloin Despite Them

Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010

by millzners on Nov 15, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Because that's the JoePa way

CC and Bani have been good soldiers and quality young men, so they get their turn. It’s honorable as hell, but honor doesn’t always make plays and win games. It is what it is.

Not meant to be a criticism, just a realism.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Nov 15, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, the other options are a bunch of freshmen, so...

"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But this doesn’t explain not starting Mauti and Stupar at the same time. Fortt and Hodges saw more time before getting hurt, and Carson could see a little more.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Nov 16, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus

There are a ton of injuries. If it weren’t for all the guys getting hurt, ’santi and bani would be platooning/not playing.

2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it

by jman07 on Nov 16, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I agree on Bani, but not CC. I think he’s be playing no matter what. Carson is healthy and barely sniffs the field. Joe has already stated that he feels like he “owes CC.”

And in fairness, CC has improved. Just not to the level we’re used to…

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

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by Cpiritual27 on Nov 16, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, he has improved

his recognition but you can’t improve lack of athleticism. Not a knock on the kid, seems like he works hard enough but when you don’t have the physical skills to get the job done, there’s not much you can do.

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by jman07 on Nov 16, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Artie

You just gave me my new sig.

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by jman07 on Nov 16, 2010 7:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

In there was one complete, perfectly executed game, bookended by unspeakable crap.

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by millzners on Nov 15, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The rhythm method

Always too challenging for Penn State. In the end, Ohio State ends up giving them an oops baby.

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by Cairo on Nov 15, 2010 4:27 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

+1

Funny story, my roommate used to joke around about being an oops baby. His parents told him that. Why would you ever tell your child that. Didn’t affect him adversely though, which is good.

by psuwxman on Nov 15, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Physics of the perfect stiff-arm

Ok. You see that picture and you realize: wow, and Redd got tackled there… How the…

Notice his feet. He’s on his left foot, stiff arming with his right. The other guy is airborne and probably weighs upwards of 230 pounds. Redd planted the wrong foot for the stiff arm. He should have planted the right, stiff-armed with the right. If he had done that the defender falls helplessly to the ground and Redd has the 1st down or close to it.

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by millzners on Nov 15, 2010 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

ehhh

That’s not something you really get a chance to think about: you’re running, you throw out the stiff arm as you’re running, etc. Very few runners, all of them power backs, really get aggressively behind their stiff arms.

Sometimes a guy just makes a super athletic play that he really had no business making…in this instance for example.

by Governator on Nov 15, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest, I loved the call to go on that last 4th down.

You know you’re not winning the game with 14 points, or 17 points for that matter. You know you’re riding a tidal wave of momentum right now. I loved that the coaches were aggressive (in the Big House! on the road! with a lead!) and asked for their players to keep pushing, keep climbing the mountain.

Sometimes, when you play a good team, the other guy makes a play. It wasn’t the best playcall, but it wasn’t the worst either, and it had a chance to work. Compared to how things usually go in Ohio Stadium, I loved the call at the time and I still do. Sometimes it doesn’t work.

I think the turning point definitely was that first TD drive by OSU. It takes a veteran team who’s been there before to get off the mat there and counterpunch, even though you still have the lead.

Everyone who’s played sports knows that the game is really most tenuous when one team starts to cut into the lead…it’s very hard not to say “uh-oh, here we go again” to yourself, and instead just go out and make a play. Northwestern couldn’t do it when we made our comeback. This was most of these guys first chance to do so and they didn’t do it. But I’m confident it makes them better the next time they have to defend (extend) a lead.

by Governator on Nov 15, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

I like you

Very reasonable, and all true.

That 96-yard drive was manly.

The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.

by jtothep on Nov 15, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes but...

Yes the response by OSU in that drive was tough and let us know they weren’t going away, but if we could have gotten some points in our next drive, responded to them and let them know that we weren’t backing down, who knows. In that regard, I think the dropped pass by Smith was an even bigger momentum play. He makes that catch, the chains move, field position flips and OSU is back on its heels.

by lhspsu on Nov 15, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He makes that catch,

and it’s off to the races. The defender barely got a hand in his face to distract him, no way that becomes a clean tackle if he catches that. The entire game hinged on that play and it just didn’t happen. I’d need to see another replay or two, but I don’t think there was a safety close enough to force Smith out, and I don’t think there’s a person on the field that could run him down.

That throw was an excellent call, that likely would have done to OSU what their TD drive did to us. Sadly it just didn’t work out.

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by mvrck on Nov 15, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Loved the 4th down call as well

Ohio St. is a better team than Penn State this year. It seems that when we are overmatched, the coaching staff remains stubborn and decides that if we out-execute the other, more talented team, we can still win. That seems to lead to a lot of competetive games and a lot of road losses to quality opponents. I liked that they went for on multiple 4th downs instead of trying to win a field position game against a team that is superior in that facet of the game, and others.

by Pallet on Nov 15, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Got a question on the 4th down call..

.. was Royster injured at that point? I thought it was a good “on the road as 18-pt underdog” call, and was deathly afraid that PSU would convert. I’d have thought that Royster, or a running back with a bit of “lead in his pants” running up the middle may have converted this. When I saw Redd running east-west, I did think that the Bucks might have a shot at stopping it.

Granted, I don't know what down it is..

by KenK on Nov 15, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

Seemed like they went against tendency by having Redd back there in formation. They were unpredictable during the entire first half, which was good. In this case, though, it actually ended up being more predictable became Redd likes to bounce outside. Had to know that was coming a mile away.

If it were my call, I probably would’ve called Royster’s number up the middle, or playaction to the fullback out in the flat.

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by Adam Collyer on Nov 15, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Or Dukes?

I mean, I know the guy may not have a huge grasp of the playbook as a RS frosh…but he can probably manage a dive play.

With the stable we have, it’s totally understandable that he’s not seeing much time this year. But, with both Royster and Green injured at times in this game it did surprise me not to see the bruiser back there at all. Guess he’s just not ready yet.

by coachKofPA on Nov 15, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

..forgot about playaction. Good point.

PSU probably (IMO) would have scored on that one; guessing that OSU’s safety’s would have bit so hard on p/a they would have choked.

Oh well, it’s over and on to future opponents. Good luck rest of season.

Granted, I don't know what down it is..

by KenK on Nov 16, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody expected PSU to Compete.

18 point dogs.

Give them credit, the game was fun to watch through 3 quarters.

Krishna did not want the Buckeyes to lose.
Way too many close plays went to OSU.

The better team one.

Stop blaming each other.

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by joefromboalsburg on Nov 15, 2010 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

The better team won! obviously not one!

Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!

by joefromboalsburg on Nov 15, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You're, of course, talking about Harry Krishna, huh?

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by DerryPharmer on Nov 15, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, now I see my typo, that's pretty funny!

I could say that I meant to do that, but I would be lying! That just made me LMAO!

My mojo is broken :o(

by Paige2PSU on Nov 15, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I would litterally pay

millions to see Jimmy T’s halftime speech. OK, not literally…

I don’t think I saw any “moxie” usages in this post!

Nothing to not like here for PSU besides the pick sixes. Don’t forget that one of the killers in this game was a 58 yard bomb of luck. That’s not going to happen often.

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by JakeBuckeye on Nov 15, 2010 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

Meh

I didn’t see anything wrong with his post.

Good luck to OSU the rest of the way, I hope they win their bowl game and make the B10 look good.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Nov 15, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't see anything wrong with my post either...

Hmmm… I even was trying to be friendly with you guys… Oh well.

PSU is going to win out. Sparty at Happy Valley isn’t going to be fun for MSU. I said earlier on if Michigan State didn’t slip up before @Penn State, then they were going to do it then.

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by JakeBuckeye on Nov 15, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Read below.

Don’t make me get a cattle prod.

by MainLion on Nov 15, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

If moderators and the leaders of this site want to ban me,

then so be it.

"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner

by JakeBuckeye on Nov 15, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Woah!

"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner

by JakeBuckeye on Nov 15, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Standard greeting for OSU fans.

Being curt gets the distant relatives out of my cozy house after Christmas, and I’m hoping it does the same here.

by MainLion on Nov 15, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude

you call this guy smug in defeat and insecure while being unbelievable hyper-sensitive and pissy to him.

Pot, meet kettle.

by Onestatewest on Nov 16, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Again

Ohio State fans are allowed here. There’s nothing wrong with this post.

Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Nov 15, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That was actually a good post

I appreciated it. Nothing to see here. You’re being a little over-sensitive this time around.

2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it

by jman07 on Nov 16, 2010 7:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Motivated, but not oversensitive.

As noted above, said reply/ies are a means to an end. Of course, they’re not worth getting the ban hammer in the process.

It’s difficult to strip the Philadelphia from the fan.

by MainLion on Nov 16, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I hear ya

You can take the fan out of Philly but you can’t take the Philly out of the fan. I spent 4 years of college in Philly so I know what it’s like down there.

I also agree that alot of the O$U fans are just trying to stir crap up but the last post or two actually wasnt, at least IMO.

2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it

by jman07 on Nov 16, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather Ohio State continue its run of shared titles

than Wisconsin get anywhere within sniffing distance.

/Come on, Denard
/Wishes Persa still had two legs

by BurrowesBldg on Nov 15, 2010 7:47 PM EST reply actions  

I'm fairly confident

that Michigan will beat Wisconsin on Saturday. Its in the Big House and Robinson is one helluva player.

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by JakeBuckeye on Nov 15, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Assuming he's not completely worn down. Guess we'll find out.

The kid is phenomenal when healthy, but giving him 50 touches a game is going to shorten his lifespan, not to mention his career.

"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."

by Adam Collyer on Nov 15, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He's on a crappy team with a crappy defense.

Wisconsin is going to run them over.

"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you're right, Rambler.

I REALLY hope you’re right.

Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 15, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Why?

"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 15, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I was at that game.

You know, the one where Michael Robinson was taken off in an ambulance and didn’t regain feeling in his extremities for several hours.

That same one where the students chanted, “shoot him like a horse.”

Yeah. I’m not forgetting that one any time soon.

by BurrowesBldg on Nov 15, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow... I don't even... Wow.

Michael Robinson came back from the dead and DESTROYED Wisconsin the next year. Remember that? I sure do. I also remember Hali annihilating Wisconsin’s entire offensive line BY HIMSELF and nailing John Stocco over and over again.

Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, those things are great.

It had nothing to do with anything on the field, though. It had everything to do with the student section acting like complete animals. I always root against anything that’ll make them happy.

You’re cool, though. (Some of my closest friends are Wisconsin fans.)

by BurrowesBldg on Nov 16, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Our student section...

I disavow anything they say. That needs to be completely clear.

Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.

No words.

Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 15, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Conservative Playcalling?

Bullshit. Playcalling nearly the same in each half, but the more talented team woke up and won LOS. PSU gets the 3-5 yards on its running attempts in the 2nd half that it got in the first, and it’s a completely different game.
Even in the first half, watch McGloin when he’s rolling out. I was at the game and they didn’t look like controlled rollouts, it looked like he was running for his life.
He played as well has he can possibly play the past 2 games. The 2nd half performance is part of the deal. He’s a great leader, but not that talented.

by InScoresOfOtherGames on Nov 15, 2010 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

Definitely agree with the call to go for it

I’m a Buckeye fan, and at that point, there was no proof that you wouldn’t have been able to convert that 4th down. Had the situation been reversed, I would have been pissed had Tressel not gone for it.

And to those that think Michigan will beat Wisconsin…..I predict a Robinson injury 5 minutes into the game (5 real minutes not game minutes) and Wiscy’s O-line doing a simultaneous pancake block on the entire D-line. Barring an explosion in the locker room, I can’t see any way Michigan wins this.

Can’t wait for you guys to get your LB situation resolved. (i.e. more talent and depth) A better PSU defense is good for the entire conference.

by Luis A. on Nov 16, 2010 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

meh

I thought the defense was fine. It was dynamic in the first half, and aside from 2 pick sixes which isnt their fault and that luckbomb, we held you to 17 points (im not saying you wouldnt have scored more than 17 points otherwise, im just saying what i know at this point) Aside from Bani Gbadyu, I really had no issue with our defense. Except that it wasn’t good enough to beat you guys.

Also, RE: Wisconsin-Michigan. Wisconsin put up 83 last week, I know it was to Indiana, but I still wonder what they would do to Michigan’s “defense”

by swiggy04 on Nov 16, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Linebackers

I have more hope for their future than I do for the DE’s. I’m hoping Crawford “gets it” soon, and that Olinayan turns out to be a stud.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Nov 16, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

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