Big Ten Review: Public Indecency Issue
by spakajewia on Nov 16, 2010 10:19 AM EST
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PrintSilas Redd got caught for public urination this weekend. The Penn State team got publicly exposed as underaged and inexperienced in the second half in Columbus. Who else was publicly embarrassed in the Big Ten this weekend?
The Indiana Hoosiers football program. There's little one can do to further belittle a football program that schedules a "home" game in the recruiting backyard of its opponent simply for the cash, but if there is anything that can further embarrass that team, it happened in Madison on Saturday. What's worse than losing an in-conference game by 63 points? Losing by 63 points when you score 20 yourself. I have a soft spot for Indiana; they're football's version of Penn State (or Northwestern) in hoops. But for any Big 10 team to be outplayed so badly makes me think the Big11 should consider adopting a system ala English Premier League soccer in which abjectly awful teams in the conference are relegated to some non-BCS wilderness for a few years to hone their skills and prove they deserve to play with the big boys.
Ron Zook. Oh, the Fighting Zooks, how I missed you. After indoctrinating this Penn State team to the instantaneous (but somehow irresistible) misery of the pick six, the Illini looked poised to play in a pretty good bowl game. After Saturday's loss to the now 2-9 Minnesota Golden Gophers, the 5-5 Illini might be lucky to play in a bowl game period, with their remaining contests @ Northwestern and @ Fresno State. If the Illini lose both of those games and finish below .500, the Zook family is going to be looking for a new home.
Ricky Stanzi. Oh, Ricky, how I missed you. Say what you will about Denard Robinson and Terrelle Pryor, the two best quarterbacks in the Big Ten for my money squared off in Ryan Field this past Saturday. Dan Persa proved he's the conference's best. The two quarterbacks' stat lines were roughly equivalent throwing the ball, though Persa added 50 yards and a TD on the ground. But the game's biggest play was the interception that Ricky Stanzi threw. After throwing for two scores on Iowa's first two second-half drives, Ricky had some splaining to do when Brian Peters picked off a pass near the goal-line to turn momentum in the game. "That interception cost us the game," said Stanzi.
All those involved in playing the game of football in Ross Ade Stadium. Let's let Maize and Brew describe this one:
The Wolverines followed up the most exciting Big Ten game of the year with perhaps the ugliest. Ten turnovers between the two teams, thirteen punts (two shanks), and only brief flashes of any offensive consistency for either side. Purdue's string of horrific injuries decided this game long before the teams ever took the field. Even Michigan's defense can stop a pack of quarterbacks who are either too injured or too inexperienced to throw the ball farther than five yards down the field.
Let's all just move on and pretend that game didn't happen.
Other thoughts:
The Big Ten Review is not all thorns and no roses. Minnesota deserves some love. Adam Weber and company rallied back from ten down on the road in the fourth quarter to beat Illinois. That shows a lot of guts. Let's hope interim coach Tim Jeff Horton gave them some free coffee and donuts.
Early lines for this Saturday's Big Ten games:
Purdue +20 @ MSU
Penn State -10 "@" IND
Wisconsin -5 @ MICH
Ohio State -3 @ IOWA
Illinois -7.5 "@" NW
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Stanzi's wrong.
He didn’t play well, but he wasn’t on the defense that had held up all game long only to give up a 90 some yard drive after the interception.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 10:25 AM EST reply actions
I think Stanzi's point was that if they score there
even a field goal, they go on to win. In that sense, I think he’s right.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Poor Silas
Who here hasn’t taken a whiz someplace they shouldn’t? The guy had to go! The ability to pee anywhere is one of the best things about being a man!
Well, at least he wasn’t drunk.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?" Vince Lombardi
I'm glad he wasn't drunk.
Peeing in public usually results from being intoxicated. That’s my experience anyway.
I don't know if I'm glad he wasn't drunk.
It takes some poor planning to be sober and unable to make it to a restroom.
One example - When I was commuting from
Virginia Beach to Williamsburg it was only 55 miles, but tunnel traffic always made me pray that I would make it without stops – especially in the morning. With few convenient stops along the way I started travelling with a piss jar in the car.
Maybe Silas is cursed with a baby bladder. Would peeing in a jar be considered public urination if you cap it to be properly disposed of?
Oh, we got both kinds. We got country AND western
I see where Sean Stanley was picked up on a
similar offense. Maybe Joe needs to start recruiting guys with bigger bladders.
Granted, I don't know what down it is..
Maybe he can share his depends with them
/poop joked
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
I know losing Persa...
…will hurt Northwestern. But Evan Watkins isn’t exactly a slouch back there, the crowd is gonna be 75% purple, and NU’s playing the collapsing house of cards that is the Illinois Fighting Zooks. I just don’t get how Illinois is 7.5 point favorites….
Because losing Persa will really hurt Northwestern.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
The home team never wins at Wrigley Field
by ageing lion on Nov 16, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
+1
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Let's go. We are Penn State. We are not normal, we are legends. People will tell their kids about us. We are not normal, we are Penn State. They don't have the tradition to hold our nuts. And they gonna flick us off on the way here? They gonna flick us off? F*** Me? No.... F**** You! Let's go."
It was 45% Purple in Evanston last weekend
and yet with their opponents being the largest school in the state the number is going to increase? Illinois fans generally suck but they do appreciate novelty (see: Bowls, Rose & Sugar). The Wildcats will be as much a home team as IU will be this weekend.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Nov 17, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Relegation
You know, I was think we should just keep the Big Ten name when we expand to 12 teams, but ‘relegate’ the worst two teams in the conference to the Little Two. It would be ceremonial of course. But relegation battles can add interest when it comes to the bottom feeders in the league.
by gcdyersb on Nov 16, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Relegating
is a fun idea, except that if we replaced those teams on our schedule with FCS schools, it become too soft. And if we replaced them with solid B10 teams, our schedule would be too hard.
I’m interested in the Michigan Wiscy line. One team is ranked 6th in the country and playing another not ranked at all, and they’re only favored by 5?!? I haven’t watched Wiscy play though, so maybe this is more reasonable than it sounds
by stewsplace on Nov 16, 2010 12:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
make a deal with the MAC
top two and bottom two switch every year
not feasible of course, but would be fun
Since I called the NW upset last week
I’ll call another for this week.
Michigan over Wisco. By a lot. Like 42-21. Book it.
Michigan will jump all over Wisco early and their big plodding offense won’t be able to keep up.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
Nobody's offense is plodding
vs. Michigan. Will these teams score more or less points than when they play basketball this winter?
Joe Paterno Apologist
Wisky has 3 RB's that could go over 100 yards against UM.
Its not as crazy as it sounds.
The question mark is will their defense hold up?
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 16, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Ryan Kerrigan is a monster and so Purdue has many more sacks, but Wisconsin has superior stats in rushing defense, passing defense, passing efficiency defense, total defense, scoring defense, and red zone TD%.
I believe they will give up no more than between 21 and 28.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Their big plodding offense?
You know what? I think you deserve a rant from OBSIMH.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
OBJECTION!
$H!T
Don’t make me go all Sanji on you, Millzners… I will go there.
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Scott Tolzien pass efficiency: 8th VERSUS Michigan’s pass eff. defense: 86th
Wisconsin’s passing offense: 74th VERSUS Michigan’s passing defense: 114th
Wisconsin’s rushing offense: 12th VERSUS Michigan’s rushing defense: 75th
Wisconsin’s total offense: 27th VERSUS Michigan’s total defense: 100th
Just for good measure, Wisconsin is also better than Purdue in most defensive rankings. Purdue held Michigan to their season low. Without any help from their own offense.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For the record
You used facts like this last week to argue for Iowa over NW, and those were equally as accurate. Sometimes you have to go with your gut! Michigan will get a lead quickly and Bert will start throwing to try and catch up it will go horribly wrong. Just my opinion.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
and Wisconsin on the road
is a different team than they are in Madison
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
And Michigan is the same team no matter where they're playing.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed.
Has this Michigan team not been shelled by MSU? And Iowa? At home?
Iowa hasn’t exactly been successful in Ann Arbor, but they outscored Michigan and forced Fivecier into making killer mistakes.
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I didn't use facts like those.
I said something like “Northwestern’s run defense didn’t look good against us”. I didn’t quote any statistics and I certainly didn’t call Iowa’s offense either “awesome like ’94” or “slow and plodding”. Michigan’s defense can’t stop either. Besides the fact that Wisconsin is more consistent than Iowa this year.
Wisconsin on the road may be a different team but they are still not going to lose to Michigan by 21 points. Your gut is no substiute for plain statistics and facts. The stats say Wisconsin is better, the facts say Bielema, while a jerk, is doing a good job this year, and the facts say RichRod is a crappy Big Ten coach.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
My gut also tells me
Rich Rod >> Bert Belemia
And this game will underscore that opinion.
I’d also venture to guess that Rich Rod will outlast Bert in the B10. Does that sound crazy right now considering Wisco is on the verge of a Rose Bowl bid and Michigan has one of the all time worst defenses in it’s history? Maybe. But my gut tells me Rich Rod is improving and has the offense right where he wants them while this is Bert’s high water mark on his career with Wisco.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
You don't get it!
Wisconsin’s passing offense is going to have its way with Michigan’s secondary.
As for the idiotic notion that RR > Bielema, well, I can’t sell you on getting rid of that.
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
There are only two coaches in the Big Ten who are obviously worse than RichRod and both will be gone at the end of the year.
RichRod has a great offense, but Michigan fans will not sell me on this notion that the decision to hire Robinson was the only great mistake he has made.
Bielema’s doing fine. He’s got a great mentor in Alvarez, a good foundation, and a lot of really capable assistants. These are all his players on this possible Rose Bowl team. I really can’t understand your gut.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love it.
Rich Rod has his offense right where he wants them… Too bad he is a head coach. But Rich Rod is an offensive genius!!! Rich Rod = Offensive Genius, Brett Bielema = Head Coach. Sorry, you can’t compare apples to oranges.
by buckyinhawkcountry on Nov 16, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Stats
only take u so far. There’s nothing wrong with going with your gut, especially when ur talking about a good in conference game. If we’re talking Boise v New Mexico State, gut instinct need not not apply.
That said, not sure Michigan will beat a hungry Wisconsin team full of confidence (gut feel)
by stewsplace on Nov 16, 2010 1:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know.
Wisconsin HAS to avoid turning the ball over and display the same aggressiveness they showed in Iowa City if they are to win in Ann Arbor.
This game scares the bejeezus out of me. Had Illinois and Purdue not crapped the bed against the Wolverines, I would say Wisconsin wins fairly handily. But they did, so now we’re facing a Michigan team with nothing to lose and the world to gain.
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Wisconsin's turnover margin (20th overall) is third in the conference behind Iowa and OSU.
Michigan’s 103rd overall and the worst in the conference.
Yeah, statistics don’t tell me everything, but in this case we already know Wisconsin is quite a bit better and they just confirm that. OBrien, if I was a Wisconsin fan, I wouldn’t be worried about this game at all. If I was worried about this game, it would mean I’d be looking for a new coach. Bielema has been doing a goob job this year. A loss this week would be a total choke job to an inferior opponent.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
The problem is
that we’ve DONE that in the past. Not under this scenario, perhaps, but we’ve been there as far as losing to inferior competition.
I will be horribly disappointed if Wisconsin should lose to Michigan, but I won’t be furious. I used all THAT up in that horrible 2008 season.
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I thought we were a hell of a lot higher in turnover margin
but whatevs. We didn’t turn Stanzi over, and Pryor just threw a terrible INT to end the game to match Tolzien’s 1st half INT.
Wisconsin hasn’t lost a fumble since the second week of the season. And we run the ball a LOT. If our running backs coach doesn’t deserve a raise for that, I’m not sure what will qualify him for one…
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
And look at Tolzien's ratings.
I watched him during the Iowa game. The dude can throw, especially since he’s playing Michigan.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, the Iowa game was one of Tolzien's best.
He did throw a pick, BUT Iowa didn’t get anything out of it. He led Wisconsin down the field and set up Montee Ball’s TD (Sorry Rambler) to win the game on the road.
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Wait just a damn minute.
Look at Wisconsin’s rushing attack. Look at Michigan’s rushing defense.
Look at Wisconsin’s passing attack. Look at Michigan’s passing defense.
This game will come down to turnovers. If Wisconsin commits more than 3, they’re going to be in BIG trouble.
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Spak, WTF do I ALWAYS wind up arguing with someone about Wisconsin in these posts?
SMH
I just don’t know.
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 2:04 PM EST reply actions
Wishing us to lose to Michigan is too much.
We only did it for a decade…
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
because your highly volatile?
I really don’t know why, but I do know that I expect it. If it was gone, i’d probably miss it.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
He is exactly what badgers are according to Nat Geo.
It’s awesome. I’m glad he’s here.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
PSU giving 10 points at Hoosiertown seems a little low to me.
Granted, I don't know what down it is..
Sagarin says this is about right. +12 at a neutral field.
Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!
by joefromboalsburg on Nov 16, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Can the Zookmeister blow this one?
Norlthwestern QB Persa out with a torn achilles for the year.
(Normally a red flag for steriod use, muscles get too strong for tendons, but I digress)
Can R. Zook possibly lose this game, and remain bowl ineligible?
What does it mean?
I don’t know!
Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!
by joefromboalsburg on Nov 16, 2010 2:23 PM EST reply actions
although I think the achilles / steroids link is laughable
it’s funny you should mention NW and PED’s
that metoric rise in ’95 raises some questions imo
Gary Barnett.
Enough said. Remember that thing with the girl kicker out at CU? I just have no trust in that man’s morals as a coach.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
And that's probably my biggest issue with Fitzgerald.
He looks upon that guy as a mentor and that just…for a lack of a better phrase, it gives me the creeps.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Intrigued by this.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 16, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
The main reason...
..is that he’s not a penn stater. I don’t think there is ANY chance we don’t hire an alum or someone who has spent years coaching here.
I also don’t think everything was on the up and up at NW in the mid-90’s. Mostly cuz Barnett was there and partly from some stuff I heard. No use in me typing something that I don’t know to be 100% true. But I find it believable. I have never heard ANYTHING about Fitz specifically, but he was the “face of the franchise” back then.
I agree that we'll go with someone who is an insider.
That’s a Penn State tradition.
My mojo is broken :o(
Katie, was, well Katie was a girl
And not only was she a girl, she was terrible.
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
Ugh
Sick.
"The coaches don't know what they're doing! Start Newsome!"
Beat Sam Lickliter.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 16, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
You have been suspended for the rest of the regular season
and credited for a bowl loss that you didn’t coach.
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
I really, really hope you are making a “girls suck at fb” joke and don’t mean what it sounds like you mean
400. That is all.
and FWIW
I know a guy who played the “she was asking for it by joining the football team” card
400. That is all.
No worries
And that guy is wrong too.
No always means no.
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
Evan Watkins (NU's Backup QB)
was a 4-star recruit, but who knows how he’ll turn out for the ’Cats…
Beat Northwestern and Michigan, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 16, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I can't believe you singled out Stanzi
and didn’t point out our defense in the 4th quarter. It’s not like this is the first time Iowa has struggled at the end of a game to close it out.
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
by chitownhawkeye on Nov 16, 2010 10:25 PM EST reply actions
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