Penn State Offense Grades Against Indiana
by BSD on Nov 22, 2010 10:00 AM EST
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While the Indiana Hoosiers are no second coming of the 1985 Chicago Bears, it was important for the Penn State Nittany Lion offense to bounce back after a poor showing in the second half against the Ohio State Buckeyes. While the punt block by Andrew Dailey and subsequent return for a touchdown by James Van Fleet was the story of the game, the offense came through with a solid day with 34 points and 498 yards of total offense. Let's break it down an little more and look at the individual units.
Quarterbacks
The Scranton McSlinger Matthew McGloin couldn't have had a much better day. He threw for a career high 315 yards and two touchdowns by completing 22-of-31 passes. A few of those incompletions were drops and passes wisely thrown away to avoid the pass rush.
And yet, even when Penn State was up 14-0 early in the game there were some other Penn State bloggers on twitter stupidly calling for Robert Bolden to play. I just don't get this. Actually, I get what they're saying. I just think it's dumb.
Their argument is that Rob Bolden is the future of the program, so to not play him now is stunting his growth. I'm sorry, but let's not pretend Bolden hasn't had any playing time this year. He played against six teams with some of the toughest defenses in the country. He's gotten a ton of experience for a true freshman. I think he'll be fine if he doesn't get to play against Indiana and Michigan State. With a little bit of seasoning in bowl preparation and spring practice he'll be a fantastic quarterback next season. I'm interested in winning games this year.
The other dumb argument these PSU bloggers were making is that McGloin was just looking good against poor defenses. True, but at least he wasn't looking bad against bad defenses. When a guy is looking good and making the throws you're asking him to throw, why pull him out?
Their entire line of argument when confronted with this is to point to two bad throws against Ohio State that resulted in the pick sixes. But let's keep in mind that by that time Ohio State was firmly in control. Boom Herron was knocking down defenders like bowling pins. The Penn State coaches panicked and went into a conservative playcalling shell. The Buckeyes were dropping eight guys back in coverage and still shutting down the running game. They knew Penn State was going to have to throw the ball. The crowd was in a frenzy. If you think that's the time to throw a true freshman on the field, you don't know football.
Am I the only one that remembers how lifeless this offense looked under Bolden? Am I the only one that remembers him throwing fade passes ten yards out of bounds against Temple? He looked so extremely tight against Illinois I don't think he threw more than five passes beyond seven yards. He got a chance at getting his starting spot back against Northwestern and nearly got his head ripped off because he didn't recognize the blitzes.
There is no denying that the team responds when McGloin is under center. He challenges them in the huddle and inspires them on the sideline. That's what this team needs right now. There is no room for quiet leaders in the huddle. Robert Bolden may very well be the quarterback of the future. He's got a ton of potential and I'm excited to see him after going through spring practice. But Matt McGloin is the quarterback of the here and now. Once the offseason hits I'll be calling for an open competition and let the best man win. But right now the Scranton McSlinger is my guy.
Oh yeah. McGloin nailed it in this game. Bolden got in late and fumbled a snap. But I won't hold that against him.
Final Grade: A
Running Backs
Evan Royster started hot with an 11 yard run to start the game, but then he didn't do much after that. He chugged away for four yards here and two yards there. He ended the day with 48 yards and a touchdown on 16 carries. Royster also caught two passes for 39 yards.
Silas Redd was once again the flashiest running back on the field. He had some very nice runs of 23, 12, 8, and 7 yards. But he also had a few times where he got stuffed at the line. But I'm continually impressed with how he'll take a hole for a big gain when it's there, but he'll also find a way to get a few yards when there isn't anything there. Redd led the team with 50 yards and a touchdown on 9 carries. Just for comparison, Redd now has 417 yards on the season. Royster ran for 513 yards his freshman year.
Overall the running back committee had 111 yards and two touchdowns on 29 carries when you factor in Stephfon Green along with Redd and Royster. Not too shabby considering the shuffling that was going on with the offensive line.
Final Grade: B
Offensive Line
Saturday we got a good look at two players that figure to play a prominent role in the offensive line. Mike Farrell played the entire game at right tackle in place of Chima Okoli who was late for the team bus in the morning. Farrell played a clean game with no penalties or blown assignments that I saw. In fact, he was getting a pretty good push on his man and making some nice running lanes.
When Doug Klopacz went down with the ankle injury, Penn State moved Stefen Wisniewski over to center and brought in John Urschel to play right guard. He too did very well from what I saw. Let's just say I'm feeling a lot better about the right guard situation after Wisniewski graduates this spring.
But it wasn't all great for the offensive line. Johnnie Troutman seemed to regress after playing pretty well the last few games. He had some boneheaded penalties, and he just looked downright slow on a few plays where Penn State tried to pull him down the line. Particularly on the 4th and 2 play where Royster got stuffed. Troutman just got in his and forced Royster to break his momentum to the outside where he got gobbled up.
Final Grade: C+
Receivers
I guess when the quarterback throws for 315 yards and two touchdowns your receivers are doing something right. Derek Moye has been steady all season and finished with 90 yards and a touchdown on six catches. Moye nearly had another touchdown but was ruled down a half foot short after it was reviewed on replay. He also had 39 yards rushing on two end arounds.
Brett Brackett has been a fantastic possession receiver and very reliable for the Penn State quarterbacks. He finished with 66 yards and a touchdown on five catches. Four of his catches resulted in first downs, and the other one resulted in a touchdown. The guy has been clutch all year.
Justin Brown has been coming on really strong lately. I'd love to see this guy on a team that throws it his direction 20 times per game. On Saturday he had four catches for 50 yards.
Devon Smith showed off his big play potential with a 45 yard catch that set up Penn State's second touchdown.
I look at all of the weapons at receiver on this team and I just drool when I think about how potent they will be next year when Rob Bolden is up to speed. I just hope they have an offensive line to compliment them.
Final Grade: A
Offensive Coaching
What the hell was up with sitting on the ball when they got it at their 16 with 2:29 to go in the first half and three timeouts in their pocket? Penn State was sitting on a 17-14 lead and knew they were going to get the ball to start the second half, but Indiana had a ton of momentum at that point. State ran Royster on first and second down for little gain and ended up punting. Then Indiana got the ball at their 40 with all three of their timeouts and 0:49 on the clock. The Hoosiers could have easily got a field goal to tie or even a cheap touchdown on the Hail Mary pass. That's playing not to lose, and that was dumb.
I liked the decision to go for the first down when it was 4th-and-2 at the Indiana 37 early in the third quarter. It would have been a 54 yard field goal for Collin Wagner which is asking a lot, and without Anthony Fera playing you don't really know what you have in Alex Butterworth. If he boots it in the endzone it's just a 17 yard gain of field position. So going for it was the right call, but I didn't like they play call. They ran a slow developing running play to the right where Troutman had to pull down the line. Like I said earlier, Troutman just got in Royster's way and killed his momentum. Farrell was pushing his guy outside like he was supposed to do, but Royster had to bounce outside to get around Troutman and Farrell's guy cleaned his clock. If Penn State can't line up and smash Indiana between the tackles when they need two yards, then don't bother going for it.
Just once, I'd like to see Penn State take a team by surprise by throwing on fourth down. And I'm not just talking about when it's 4th-and-15 in the final minutes and you need a score to stay alive. I'm talking about when the game is still in doubt and you're taking a chance. Bubble screens are usually automatic for five or six yards. Or heck, go crazy and take a shot at the endzone. The defense is going to cram the box to stuff the run. I bet you would find single coverage out on the flankers. Play action would be deadly.
Ultimately it was a pretty well called game. Any time you put 34 points on the board and roll up 498 yards I'll take it. but Wisconsin managed to score 83 points and 598 yards on this defense the week before. Just sayin'.
Final Grade: B
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Mindless McGloin Boosting
“Their entire line of argument when confronted with this is to point to two bad throws against Ohio State that resulted in the pick sixes. But let’s keep in mind that by that time Ohio State was firmly in control.”
Erm, we were winning when he threw the first one. Then we weren’t anymore.
“There is no denying that the team responds when McGloin is under center. He challenges them in the huddle and inspires them on the sideline.”
There is plenty of denying it. Remember how bad they looked either side of halftime on Saturday? Or how bad they looked in his first two series against NW? Why is it that McGloin gets credit for the offensive line steamrolling a crappy defense, but no blame when they let Royster get swallowed up 2 yards deep?
I am happy McGloin is playing well, and I think he should start again against Michigan State. But I don’t think you have to rewrite history (his awful 2nd half against OSU) or invent vague unfalsifiable evidence (playing with fire!) to make that case.
It is in fact inconsistent that Bolden sits for one mistake against NW, while two much worse mistakes against OSU did not result in McGloin’s benching. Presumably, there is something we don’t see in practice or elsewhere that makes the coaches more lenient with McGloin’s mistakes than Bolden’s. That doesn’t mean we need to make up hand-wavey huddle leadership theories to justify it.
Come on.
Why is it that McGloin gets credit for the offensive line steamrolling a crappy defense, but no blame when they let Royster get swallowed up 2 yards deep?
I’ll preface by saying I don’t think that’s the case, I think McGloin has been getting plenty of criticism. But McGloin gets credit because his offense scores points. In bunches. Repeatedly. He’s lead double the touchdown drives in half the games that Bolden did.
He’s vocal, he’s a leader, he throws a really nice deep ball, and the kids really, really like him. They absolutely respond to him. Their response to Bolden is different. I have no idea why, but there’s a confidence in the team when McGloin comes to the line and calls out signals.
Bolden’s strength of schedule was tougher in some ways, there’s no doubt about that. But Bolden didn’t make those touchdown drives against Alabama and Iowa the way that McGloin did against Ohio State. It’s why he’s getting a lot of the credit. It’s that, plus the QB takes the blame or the credit always.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
how the team "responds" to McGloin
is subjective and doesn’t really mean anything. And McGloin did lead two touchdown drives against OSU, but the bottom line is that the result of the game was the same as Iowa and Alabama. He deserves credit for those scoring drives, no question, but he was also the starting quarterback for the team that lost.
That said, I don’t have any problem with McGloin playing the rest of the year. I do agree that, for now at least, McGloin gives this team the best chance to win.
It apparently means a lot.
Football isn’t mechanical and isn’t played by robots. It’s emotional. Just because you can’t quantify it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Boy, you've really come around on McGloin in the past couple weeks, haven't you?
It was you going ballistic about Bolden not playing against NW, right? No insult intended – it’s just interesting to see the reaction different people have to the ongoing QB situation.
Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater
by NittanyTide on Nov 22, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think so. Or at least I don't remember.
But I could be wrong, as usual.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Oh! Nah, wasn't me, but it was AdamShell.
…I think. Same name really messes with people :)
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yep - sorry.
He was spittin’ mad.
Bacon is almost as great as being a Penn Stater
by NittanyTide on Nov 22, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
No worries. He wasn't very pleased.
I’d like to think he’s come around since then.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
McGloin is a joke
There should be a law against using the word “Moxy” or “swagger” in the same sentence with “McGloin.” Those are stupid words to begin with, and ESPN should be fined. And when he looked over at OSU’s sideline and pulled his chin-strap off after scoring a TD, that was actually pretty dumb too…he looked like a tool and it only got worse after OSU Pick-sixed him to death in the second half. Some people call it “Moxy” or “Swagger,” but in truth, it is simply someone who is trying too hard to be a leader and clearly overcompensating to his own embarassement. Ever remember seeing MRob do that crap? No. How about Collins? No. Cripes, how about John Shaffer? No.
Some guys just have “it” when it comes to being a leader…McGloin obviously does not and he’s trying way too hard to find something he wasn’t born with. I think of him as a poser.
Yes, it’s admirable that McGloin is a walk-on and keeps a clean nose, goes to school, blah, blah, blah. Great, he’s an overall good kid. He’ll get a great letter of recommendation for a job from JoePa and land a 100K+ job because of it. I’m happy for him…now let’s start playing the better QB. Bottom line is that he only plays well against really crappy defenses and has no business being in the starting line-up. OSU essentially spotted us 14 before opening a can. Never in that game did I ever feel as though we were going to win. Not playing Bolden against the teams he could beat left-handed short-changes him on game experience and hurts the program. Michigan’s defense couldn’t stop a retirement home’s offense…Same for Indiana and Northwestern. McGloin made a few nice plays/reads against OSU until they switched from zone coverage to man…then, he made no reads and threw homerun balls to the buckeye DB’s. If anyone really thinks Rob Bolden couldn’t have lit-up the Michigan/NW/Indiana defenses needs a reality check.
Also, Bolden did not lead TD drives at Bama or Iowa, but you conveniently leave out the fact that Bama was the second game of the year, and the second career start for many of the players on the team’s first units…Likewise for Iowa.
U Mad?
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
just venting...
i have similar anger issues with the way Mike Zordich is being wasted. THAT dude is a real leader and should be on the field every snap possible. He’s a bada$$. When you see him react on the field, you know it’s pure emotion and not pre-contrived BS.
I seem to remember MRob staring down a safety after he pulvarized him..
You have no idea what players say to each other or the trash talking. Just what ESPN wants to show you. And maybe someone from OSU got in McGloin’s ear before that play.
You ever watch Pryor talk trash? Its humorous. And then after a bad series, he goes to the sideline, claims it isn’t his fault and throws a hissy fit with his coaches
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Pryor is a jagoff
you’ll get no argument from me that he’s a turd. And MRob almost killed that guy (seriously, I would have bet he was dead). But Mrob had “it” and looked cool, both in the act of almost killing that safety, and also thereafter when he stepped over his body. McGloin needs to know that he looks like a tool when he does that crap. Leaders are self-aware.
You're stretching hard.
Mike looked cool but McGloin looks stupid? That’s a pretty subjective measurement.
And Zordich is a good player, but let’s not pretend that Joe Suhey hasn’t been an excellent fullback. It’s good to have both of them back there. Suhey especially looked great lead blocking for Moye on the first reverse. He’s pretty quick for a blocking back.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
So leadership
is based on “looking cool”? I never realized that.
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
How in the world
do you know the difference between “pure emotion” and “pre-contrived BS.” Unless you’re in the huddle, this is ridiculous.
It's not hard to see
Have you ever been on a football field/baseball diamond/wrestling mat? And I mean for the purpose of competing. You can tell. You know the guys who stand in the team room and think up their reactions/celebrations/etc before they happen. For as much as I thought D Clark was a decent QB, I always thought some of his celebration was thought-up in the locker room prior to the game. Not all, but some.
I dunno
I think it’s impossible for us, as observers, to really get a great sense of what is genuine emotion and what is not. Maybe McGloin isn’t “cool,” but I don’t think he’s sitting around pre-planning all his celebrations. It might rub you or me the wrong way, but it seems to work for his teammates, and that’s all that matters to me.
make sure you let Joe know your feelings on Zordich..
and I’m sure they’ll install a fullback package for him.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, because that Suhey guy sucks and brings nothing to the table.
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Now you're just jumping to conclusions
Suhey is a great fullback. But I think Zordich could be an animal at maybe another position…probably LB. I know we are stacked there, but there is no reason he couldn’t have had a more productive year than #48 or 15…or even 34.
Could you at least learn their names?
Colasanti, Bani, and Stupar.
Just saying that it looks bad enough when you’re saying there’s “no reason” Zordich would be better than the guys Ron Vanderlinden (That guy doesn’t know what’s he doing, no sir) selected. It looks worse now.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
whoa whoa whoa rambler
Be slow with the guy…those are some tough long names for him to learn right off the bat. Let’s start with easier items like the fact that ohio state was only the second career start for mcgloin but he managed two td passes.
I like bolden so I hate having to point out why mcgloin is better but the argument that he should start over mcgloin right now is ridiculous. If bolden was playing as well as mcgloin no one would be saying to put in mcgloin. All this is about is hype(aka recruiting stars). Who knows how well bolden will develop. One of his probs is accuracy and practice and timing of the wrs will help but honestly the guy never had that great of a completion % in hs so to assume he will just become better than mcgloin is reaching.
by JRM397 on Nov 22, 2010 2:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
easy
i do know their names. i’ve probably forgotten more PSU names than you’ve ever known. so, just relax a bit. take a deep breath. Also, for future reference, you’re only supposed to put something in quotes that has actually been said…just for future reference.
But to the isue at hand, you’re saying that you’d rather have Colasanti or BB in the line-up in front of Zordich? I like Stupar, and I think he has progressed (unlike the other two), but I still think Zordich could be better. Maybe it’s because I remember his dad so well, but everything I’ve seen from that kid reminds me so much of his dad it’s disappointing that they have not found a place for him where he can make a bigger impact.
Ron Vanderlinden does a good job, but if you think he dictates what personnel he gets to work with, I would suggest you are dead wrong. He may have some input, but that is likely all he has.
What?
You do realize you said “no reason” in your post, right?
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Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
no, really, i never said that...
check the post for yourself. those words are not there.
Zordich is doing a great job at FB, but I still think he could be awesome at LB. Have you ever seen any of his game film from HS? He’s a beast. And no, if I was to say what you are suggesting I was saying (Cam Heyward comment), then I would be proposing PSU move Zordich to DB.
Zordich has the same kind of instinctive mentality as Mauti. Watch him play and it’s evident.
I will concede that we are stacked at LB with young talent…Dare I say too much?
?????
I know we are stacked there, but there is no reason he couldn’t have had a more productive year than #48 or 15…or even 34.
Do you think I just made this up?
Oh, and by the by, sometimes footage from high school doesn’t mean squat (See: Newsome) and sometimes, just sometimes Penn State’s coaches know what they are doing.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
ahah!
For some reason, I was referring to a different post. you are correct, sir…i did use that in that post. my bad. In fairness to Zordich, he did play HS football at Cardinal Mooney. Considered by many to be one of the elite programs in the country. Newsome, not so much. Also, Zordich was MVP, primarily for his defensive play, in at least one nationally televised HS all-star game…I can’t remember if it was the under-armor game, or the US army game…one of those type games.
And do you honestly believe he couldn’t have had a more productive year than BB or Colasanti? Seriously? Both of those guys are playing because they are seniors. period.
I believe he couldn't have had a more productive year because he's playing fullback.
If he was a better linebacker, he’d be playing there.
Goodness
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Here's what I'm saying:
It is rather ridiculous to suggest you know Zordich would be a better linebacker when he hasn’t gotten playing time at that position. Zordich is doing a fine job at fullback and thanks to he and Suhey, we have the luxury of two excellent fullbacks. Next year we will have two excellent fullbacks and several competent linebackers.
You’ll also have to pardon me for not thinking Vandy gets the final say on his linebackers considering the outstanding job he has done over the years.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Basically
What you’re saying makes as much sense as an Ohio State fan saying Ohio State should start Cam Heyward at tailback because he shows more energy than Boom Herron and because his Dad was a great tailback.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Who is
James “Do I still get credit for this tackle even if I jump on the pile 5 seconds after the whistle blows” Laurinaitis?
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by IcersGuy on Nov 22, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Attention, Achtung...
“Also, for future reference, you’re only supposed to put something in quotes that has actually been said…just for future reference.”
- The Future Reference Division of the Department of Redundancy Department’s Future Reference Division would cordially like to convivially announce the announcement of this quote-blocked quoted statement in quotes as a nominated nominee for this year’s 2010 Redundant Statement Stated Redundantly of the Year Award Citation.
by Pentimental on Nov 23, 2010 7:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great.
I’m happy for him…now let’s start playing the better QB.
I agree. We should play the better QB. Someone call McGloin and make sure he knows that he’s getting off the bus first on Saturday.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
And I actually didn't use the word "moxy" or "swagger" in the same sentence as McGloin.
I just said he scores points. In bunches. Repeatedly.
I didn’t conveniently leave out information. The facts speak for themselves. McGloin leads touchdown drives and calls out signals from the line. Bolden’s a great prospect, but he hasn’t been very good picking up the blitz and he didn’t lead many touchdown drives this year.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I added that
in my rant. But you are only kidding yourself if you think Bolden wouldn’t have crushed the Michigan/NW/and Indiana defenses. The number are being manipulated to fit your argument. take away Michagan/NW and Indiana and your numbers aren’t that great.
You don't actually know that, and you can't back that up factually.
Here’s what actually happened – McGloin scored points. He had great games in all of those wins. Bolden didn’t play and there’s no reasonably explanation why he would’ve crushed those defenses. All that argument amounts to is another form of “the backup QB is the most popular player on the team.”
To that point, Bolden had shown no ability outside of 1.5 quarters at Minnesota to lead multiple touchdown drives, including games against Temple and Kent State. I’d love to believe that, but speculation is still speculation.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
just as rodney can't say that Bolden would have
you can’t say Bolden wouldn’t have.
Current scoring defense ranks (rank – pts per game):
Alabama (3 – 13)
OSU (5 – 14)
Iowa (6 – 15)
Temple (14 – 19)
Northwestern (51 – 24)
Illinois (52 – 24)
Kent State (54 – 24)
Michigan (99 – 34)
Minnesota (101 – 34)
Indiana (102- 34)
And wherever Youngstown St would rank in there.
Now you can’t really break that down by passing and running that well just from that stat, and I don’t feel like looking it up, but are we really surprised that the team is scoring in bunches against teams that, on average, everyone is scoring in bunches in comparison against?
Just on a team basis, we’d expect to have scored 106.5 points in the 5 and 3/8 FBS games that Bolden played, or an average of just under 20 points per game.
In the games McGloin has played, we’d expect to score 128.5 points in the 3 and 5/8 FBS games he’s played, or an average of just under 35.5 points per game.
Am I really supposed to think it is just the fact that McGloin is under center that we’re performing better when we SHOULD be scoring over 2 TDs more per game no matter WHO we have at QB?
Now of course the usual caveats of these numbers not being competition adjusted, and the fact that Bolden looked terrible (as did the whole team) against Illinois, but seriously, how much of the scoring advantage is really due to moxie and swagger, and how much is due to playing against TERRIBLE defenses? For the record, I’d probably act with a lot of moxie and swagger if I was playing QB against Nintendo defenses.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 22, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
OK. I can't say that Bolden wouldn't have scored more points than McGloin
when leading the offense. I also can’t say that Devlin wouldn’t have played better than Darryl Clark, or that Matt Knizer wouldn’t have won the 1986 MNC.
I can only go by what I see on the field, and if the staff makes a decision that works, I assume that decision was made through acute observation of the strengths and weaknesses of two players. McGloin has had the benefit of playing some weak defenses. He also played the strongest half of football either QB had played all year against Ohio State, a defense comparable to any defense that Bolden played early in the year. In the second half, he looked poor, but so did Bolden in many of those games and made some egregious mistakes.
You can adjust for strength of schedule to a certain degree, but let’s not kid ourselves into arguing for Bolden because he played well against Minnesota. For one, he struggled to lead touchdown drives against Temple and Kent State. You can blame the running game for that, but we didn’t exactly have a strong running game from our tailbacks this time either and yet McGloin beat on Indiana repeatedly.
I’ve conceded that Bolden is an excellent prospect, but I’m not going to concede that he would have scored against the rest of the schedule when McGloin is literally doubling him up in half the time.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I did a bit more calculations
and they actually work out in McGloin’s favor:
in the FBS quarters/games that Bolden has played in, based on our opponents we’d expect to put up 20 points per game. They’ve put up 13.7.
in the FBS quarters/games McGloin has played in, based on our opponents, we’d expect to put up 35 points per game. They’ve put up 41.4.
(sorry for the double post on this…I posted it lower, but it fits better here)
So while McGloin has faced easier defenses, he’s also performed above average against them, while Bolden has performed under average against harder defenses. Completely baseless extrapolation has Bolden scoring (13.7/20) * 35 = 24 points per game against McGloin’s easier schedule, an has McGloin scoring (41.4/35)*20 = 24 points per game against Bolden’s harder schedule.
I don’t think it would be quite that drastic, but yeah, McGloin is doing better (though I still think at least some of that is just due to the whole fairly young team doing better as they’ve gotten more experience)
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 22, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I like the sophisticated statistical analysis.
Interesting stuff, honestly. I agree, the team has really gotten better since week 1. Most times, that’s all you can ask for.
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by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
lol, yes...sophisticated....that's what it is
I wish they still had their statistical analysis on joepasdoghouse. While it had its flaws, I still think it was one of the better pieces of analysis out there.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 22, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well, far more sophisticated than anything I'd do, that's for sure :)
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
eh, this whole argument is a little silly
Bolden is oh for two against good teams this year and mcgloin is oh for one
Are you actually saying that we discuss silly things on BSD?
I’m shocked, shocked and appalled, that you would think that is ever less than 100% serious – as a heart attack. You disparage our arguments and lower our collective self-esteem by suggesting otherwise. The JuggerNitt even has statistics to back up his argument, STATISTICS DO NOT LIE, nor can they be considered silly. Really, hbeach, I’m so disappointed.
My mojo is back! Beat Sparty!
I miss our TC, too.
But he’ll be back again. After the bowl game, we have 8 months to speculate on the TC/McFavre/PJ battles. Think what fun that will be in the off-season.
My mojo is back! Beat Sparty!
Well, rather than speculating about personnel,
we can spend the off-season discussing nicknames for anyone who doesn’t have one yet. We can go through the entire roster one person per day. That will take us, what, 85 days? It would be March and getting close to spring practice before we know it.
My mojo is back! Beat Sparty!
I kind of think that's an awesome project for Mike to work on....
…or, you know, someone with time who won’t hate us and discontinue his blog after his head explodes.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Take away Youngstown St. and Minnesota
And Bolden’s stats are pretty abysmal.
This is not to say that I don’t really like Bolden. But both quarterbacks played better against crappy defenses and lousy against good defenses.
Right now, I think McGloin gives the team the best chance to win. I’m excited for next year’s QB competition between Bolden, McGloin, and Jones because I think all three are good, and when was the last time we could say that..
Hey Adam
Visited the Collegean lately? How’s Hoboken?
I agree with you, our offense just looks like night and day when McGloin is in as compared to when he’s not. I love Bolden, and I’m excited to see him take over our offense. But he’s not ready yet.
Heyyyy.....you.
I’d try to guess, but obviously I just know waaaaay too many people that it’d be impossible to try and figure out who this is….or something.
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by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Troutman
i don’t know that I’m ready to call it his fault on that one play. Farrell may have gotten a good push, but it also may not have been where he was supposed to be driving his guy. This sort of stuff can happen when they aren’t used to playing together.
On bloggers, everyone reasonable should realize McGloin is going to play this year. But at the same time, let’s not revise history. The game was very much in doubt or even PSU advantage when the pick 6s happened. Putting together a drive after the score, when the team was still up 4 points was crucial. The corner baited McGloin, and McGloin made a stupid throw. That’s on him. We come back down 3 and need a drive even more and can’t get 5 yards. We pick off Pryor and can’t get anything going. There is a garbage TD pass and we are STILL only down 10. Pick 6. game.
McGloin is the guy right now, and I’m fine with that. But you can’t suddenly exonerate him 100% just because we lost by more than just the two pick 6s.
Last topic, Justin Brown is either getting better, or these secondaries are just plain worse than the first half of the season. For the first 5-6 games he was not creating any separation on his routes. He had to get in a soft spot in the zone or fight a DB for the ball. It seems like every week he has another half step in man coverage.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
I think Brown finally understands the importance of route running.
His route and cuts are great now. He used to round off and half ass his fakes. Now he is doing what he should and he is starting now too. We are not the only ones to see there is a difference in his game. He didn’t start until the Iowa game and I think McGloin is now gaining trust in his ability to be open. He is really finding holes on his curl patterns. Great compliment to Moye.
eff it, I'm going derp
It helps that he's really, really strong too.
Much stronger than any of our other receivers except for Brackett. He’s big, strong, and fast. He gets off the line and, now that he runs his routes well, finds a lot of open space.
I hate comparing him to a Michigan player, but I’m a Jet fan so it’s fine. Braylon Edwards is constantly open. He’s strong enough to handle a corner who jams him at the line and runs precise cuts that make you wonder how people forgot about him. When Brown’s open, he’s really open. I’d love to see him stay on this track.
We’re going to miss Brackett (and Zug, who’s having a rough year but is still a capable receiver). But Moye/Brown/Smith/Drake in a four-wide set? Whoever next year’s QB is will have a lot of weapons.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Very true...
Brown is just like any Michigan WR under Lloyd Carr. An NFL looking player in every sens.
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by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Shawney Kersey might
be back again next year too – maybe.
Oh, we got both kinds. We got country AND western
I thought McGloin did a good job
of taking what Indiana was giving him. He had Moye deep in single coverage once or twice, but went with a shorter throw. Usually I’d say that’s bad, but given his reputation, maybe it’s a sign he’s maturing. Just needs to find a balance.
O-Line: Seems like we should have good competition at tackle next year. I’m concerned about Center though. I’m discouraged that no one has been impressive enough to move to 2nd string ahead of Wiz.
I can't believe I only have 4 hours to tailgate. Somehow this is Lee Corso's fault.
by Illegal Formation on Nov 22, 2010 10:27 AM EST reply actions
In fact,
I thought we might get a look at the second string center, and was kind of disappointed that we did not when DK went down.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 22, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Correct
Deiffenbach has looked good on the scout team and has positioned himself to make a run at the starting job this spring. I don’t think they want to burn his redshirt this late in the year which is why we saw Wiz move over to center on Saturday.
Burning a redshirt
with 1.5 games to go would be a real head shaker. Glad we have a guy like Wiz who could slide over.
Oh, we got both kinds. We got country AND western
Butterworth's redshirt was burned in this one.
I guess Zug really does not want to punt.
There were several times where he looked off his primary receiver
and came back around to find a wide open man. The sideline pass to Royster is a great example.
McGloin has made a lot of progress.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I'm interested in winning games "this" year, too
Bolden looked great at the beginning of the year, but he struggled in the redzone. McGloin has looked just as capable as Bolden, but he’s been able to get TDs inside the 20. McGloin won the job – we’ve been better with him in there (including on D, imo) and he may be the guy the next couple years. Who cares who the QB is? We want to win, and we want to do it the right way. IMO, it’s irrelevant who fills the spot. People have too much time on their hands
by stewsplace on Nov 22, 2010 10:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Only Difference Is
That McGloin has had experience with the team already, yet is still making the same types of mistakes. I know, I know, he’s never started, but something’s got to give.
And to be honest, unless he gets extremely better, I don’t see us winning against Iowa, Nebraska, Ohio State, and Wisconsin next year if he remains the starter. Do you?
by misdreavus79 on Nov 22, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
So what you're saying is
That Bolden doesn’t have the ability to gain confidence and speak out and “light a fire” on the team once he’s gone through the offseason and connected with his players.
Sorry, but I somehow doubt that.
by misdreavus79 on Nov 22, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see why you'd believe it's impossible for McGloin to get better.
I think the fact that he was a walk-on is really messing with people’s heads. The kid has played really well. In fact, he lead the best half of football we had seen all year against Ohio State. He had a terrible second half, but it’s just another learning experience.
He’s going to get better, stronger, more comfortable with the more reps he gets with the first team. So will Bolden. You have to like how this goes for us either way, but McGloin is obviously very capable.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying he won't get better
I’m saying Bolden has a chance at getting better faster.
by misdreavus79 on Nov 22, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Based on what?
Pure talent? Recruiting stars? I like both Bolden and McGloin, but right now I think McGloin gives us the best chance of winning against MSU.
My mojo is back! Beat Sparty!
Answer: recruiting stars
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Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Its odd.
People do realize that McGloin led his high school team to TWO Pa. AAA state titles in football throwing for 5800 yds and 50some TD’s. He was AAA first team QB his senior year, (TP AA player of the year). He is not chopped liver. I like Bolden as a future QB as much as anyone but McGloin has proven over the years he is a winner. He has never had a chance till now at this level. The bowl season and off season will do wonders for Bolden. I also think that now watching from the sidelines, and Bolden is next to Big Red all the time, and then watching more film will do wonders for Bolden and his ability to read defenses.
eff it, I'm going derp
I don't get it.
Instead of wouldas, shouldas, and couldas, why can’t we all just appreciate the fact that PSU has two competent, capable QB’s (and depending on Jones, 3)? I’m and Eagles fan too and I love the fact that they have Vick or Kolb, two guys who can step in and run the show like nothing happened.
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I agree
All I hope is the coaching staff plays the guy that gives the team the best chance to win. I just don’t like the player bashing, either way when its all conjecture whether one guy is better thant he other. Obviously, the coaches are playing the one they feel most comfortable with. I root for the team.
eff it, I'm going derp
Are we now no longer considering Newsome in the QB equation?
If not, an athlete like that needs to see the field somewhere. And often.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Someone somewhere suggested we should move him to receiver
and hope that he ends up like Anquan Boldin did at FSU. I’d be really impressed with that….
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
so who does he play in front of...
we’re sorta stacked at WR. Not that he wouldn’t be an asset there, I just think there are better positions for him to move to….maybe safety?
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 22, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Fair point. I think a redshirt
year wouldn’t be the worst idea for him if he switches positions, especially if he ends up on defense. It’s a different world out there.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Forgot he still had the RS
I think he’d be buried in the chart as a WR, considering all the talent we have there already. Defense definitely seems like somewhere we could use some more bodies.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
I'd have to look it up to confirm it, but....
…I’m almost positive McGloin’s high school did not win a state title with him at qb.
Now Drew Astorino did lead his high school football team to a state title as a qb. Pretty sure they beat Pryor’s team in the final….or maybe that was the state final for basketball, which he also led his team to a championship (where he hit the last second winning shot).
from his bio
High School
McGloin was a team captain for Coach Mike DeAntona at West Scranton HS. As the starting quarterback, he led his team to
two Class AAA district titles and a league title. McGloin was named all-conference, all-region, all-state and to the WNEP-TV 16 Dream Team. A three-year starter, he threw for 5,485 career yards with 58 touchdowns. As a senior, he threw for 2,445 yards and 22 touchdowns. The Scranton Times-Tribune named McGloin its 2007-08 Athlete-of-the-Year and Athlete-of-the-Week three times during his prep career. A talented athlete, McGloin scored more than 1,300 career points in basketball and was a team captain. He earned all-conference accolades on the hardwood and in baseball. McGloin was also a member of the National Honors Society.
400. That is all.
Thanks for looking it up.
I was almost positive he didn’t lead his team to any state titles.
Hey if you’re still feeling ambitious (obviously I’m not) why not look up Astorino’s HS creds? You know…just for fun.
I'm more worried about the defense than McGloin/Bolden
We have enough talent on offense to beat those teams with either QB; the question is whether we’re capable of stopping them.
This I agree with.
The defense scares me and I’m not super optimistic about its being vastly improved next year. Sure hope I’m wrong, but right now I just don’t see it.
Linebackers will be better.
They have to be. Mauti full time (and a full year removed from his ACL), Stupar full time, Hodges and Fortt with another year under their belts and Mike Hull coming off a redshirt, who was supposed to be the most instinctive linebacker coming out of high school.
Not a surprise, but our defense is predicated on our d-line taking up space and our linebackers being very active. Colasanti and Bani are our obvious weak links. The defense should be better. They’d be terrific if Massaro continues to get better and Crawford and Lattimore can be more consistent.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
They have to be continued
I also think they will be better because we won’t see the rotations of some of these younger, more athletic (and hopefully smarter by next season) LBs being cut down by the playing time of a few seniors 48 and 15. I hate calling out players that have worked as hard as those guys for their entire careers and who by all accounts are great kids, but at this point we aren’t seeing vast improvements by those two guys and they have not stepped up in my mind.
by wek5000lion09 on Nov 22, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Bani and Colassanit are done this year, I think
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by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I really like both guys, which is what bums me out.
I’ve said before that if you put the two of them together, you’d have an amazing linebacker. But Bani has no instincts and Colasanti has no lateral quickness. Bani should be a stand-up end (he’s far better suited to that than Tim Shaw was) and Colasanti is very good against the run in between the tackles.
The problem is that teams recognize what they’re good at and play far away from it. They run to the outside and neutralize Colasanti, while they put Bani one-on-one versus a running back in space.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly my point
These guys are great workers and Penn Staters through and through, but they didn’t exactly hold up the LBU trademark and I’m hoping that their deficiences will not leave a bad taste in everyone’s mouth as they remember these guys. But I also look forward to the younger guys improving the position drastically.
by wek5000lion09 on Nov 22, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Well...
This year McGloin helped us “win” the first half against OSU…a top 10 team. If he can clean up his game and our defense improves, we can win those types of games.
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by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Which is exactly my point.
Can he clean up his game? We’ll just have to find out when Iowa’s dominating us, yet again.
by misdreavus79 on Nov 22, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
step off the ledge buddy.
Iowa and PSU have moved in opposite directions this season and if you think they are going to be in their 2009 form after losing all those seniors you’re kidding yourself.
It will be settled on the field, but you can’t write it off as a loss when you know nothing about the two teams that take the field.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I know nothing about the teams
But I do have a 8 of last 9 history to back my future assumption. Remember Iowa 2008?
by misdreavus79 on Nov 22, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Remember Iowa 2007?
When a Morrelli-led team beat the almighty Ferentz? I sure do. Didn’t see that one coming, especially after losses to lousy Michigan and Illinois teams.
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by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Remember the one time Temple beat us?
Can’t argue wit history man. Iowa 2011 is going to be a tough game regardless of what you think.
by misdreavus79 on Nov 22, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said it wasn't going to be tough..
I just don’t think it should be written off.
If you don’t have any confidence in the team to improve, which it sounds like you don’t, then don’t watch.
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by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I won't put words in your mouth
When you stop putting words in mine. I didn’t write it off as a loss. But you can’t just forget that they’ve beaten us 8 of the last 9.
And be honest, would I be here talking about the team if I had no confidence in them to improve?
by misdreavus79 on Nov 22, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't forgotten, but streaks are made to be broken.
Sounds thinly veiled, but its doable.
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by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds like the same argument
when PSU couldn’t beat Michigan. That ended didn’t it? Iowa loses almost the entire team, while PSU returns theirs. To be this negative about a game to be played a year from now is foolish.
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Thank you..
and I’m sure he will be back to remind us that Carr owned Paterno.
Fact is Michigan thinks they still own PSU, which is hilarious because Rich Rod does not
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by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
You did say,
We’ll just have to find out when Iowa’s dominating us, yet again.
That sounds to me like you expect us to lose and don’t have confidence in them.
My mojo is back! Beat Sparty!
I want someone to take a glance at Iowa’s depth chart and record and tell us Iowa will dominate us.
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
During the tOSU/Iowa game they said Iowa is graduating 25 players this year
I expect the domination to be on the other foot next year. Wait, do we play Iowa next year?
by Frank O'Brien on Nov 22, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
But since Ferentz doesn’t like expectations, maybe he’ll do better next year.
All I know is that Iowa is like the ’99 Penn State team this year.
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Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not talking about next year
I’m talking about this year. Outside of two bad throws against Ohio State and one bad throw against Minnesota I think McGloin has been fantastic. Bolden just looked like a freshman that was too worried about screwing up. You can’t be a team leader when you’re too focused on what you need to do. Bolden isn’t the kind of guy that’s going to call out a teammate in the huddle. He’s not at that point and hasn’t earned that respect yet.
McGloin has it, so he needs to start because this young team desperately needs leaders. I think the coaches were worried about hurting Bolden’s confidence so they sat him and decided to work on him in the offseason. Once the year is over I’ll be for the best man winning the job next fall. If that’s Bolden, great. If that’s McGloin or Jones, so be it.
You're not at all concerned
that losing his job after a sack and fumble didn’t hurt his confidence? Maybe it didn’t, and maybe the coaches said the right stuff, but having him on that short of a leash speaks volumes.
I really, really hope the coaches are handling this well. Unfortunately, we’ll probably never know—at least not until Bolden is actually allowed to talk to the media.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
And just to be clear
I’m not trying to be snarky/hypothetical, I’m just curious as to your opinion on that.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
I think the sack and fumble probably hurt his confidence worse than losing his job did.
He’s a freshman and he had to know coming in that he was a longshot to start anyway. He had a good run this year and it’s got to be positive for him.
My feeling is always that is a young quarterback’s confidence is really hurt by these kinds of things, he’s going to have problems being a quarterback in college and the league. These kinds of things happen all the time. You have to have the confidence to pick yourself up and work harder.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I think that if he is any kind of competitor
That he’ll take his lumps and come back that much more hungry. Anybody that has ever played sports has had their ability questioned. Those that have a hunger take that as motivation. Those that don’t, pack it in. If he packs it in and gives up, then I don’t care what kind of talent he has, he has no business leading PSU.
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No
I think his confidence was already shot by that point. He was throwing fade passes ten yards out of bounds and against Illinois he didn’t want to attempt a throw over ten yards. Then when Northwestern destroyed him twice on a blitz he never saw coming I think it was pretty obvious he was rattled. I don’t think Bolden could have led a comeback against Northwestern that day. The coaches made the right decision in putting McGloin in the game.
Like I said, I like Bolden a lot and I hope he makes a run at the starting job next year. I won’t have a pony in the race after the bowl game. Let the best man win. But right now I think McGloin gives us the best chance.
And let’s not pretend Bolden doesn’t already have a ton of experience. Finishing out this last game against Michigan State isn’t going to make him an All American next year.
I think Bolden was getting more and more worried about getting knocked around.
Even though he didn’t get sacked much, he got hit A LOT of times after he got rid of the ball. I would think that kind of beating can mess with your mind and make you less confident.
My mojo is back! Beat Sparty!
Did Minnesota not happen?
Bolden was playing really well before he got dinged. Honestly, we don’t know what would have happened if he had finished the game and continued starting. Bolden really looked like he had turned a corner there heading into the meat of the Nintendo 11 quality offense portion of the schedule. What we learned is McGloin can destroy bad teams, but is just as bad as Bolden against top-10 defenses.
McGloin has earned it, though, so we should stick with him. I agree Bolden got a ton of big time experience this season. I was always worried we’d go with McGloin in order to win, but we got a bit of both and it probably didn’t cost us all that much. (Illinois was a product of both the offense being terrible and the D getting many injuries.)
If getting pulled after making a couple of mistakes...
then seeing his replacement take the reins effectively doesn’t motivate him to work harder, then I don’t think he has that much to add to the team and I’d just as soon see him transfer.
I doubt that we’ll lose Bolden, but if it happens because his ego is wounded, then I don’t think it would be the biggest loss.
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Nov 22, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
McGloin has been in the program 3 years.
Bolden was playing high school football last year. McGloin doesn’t have the physical tools that Bolden does, that’s obvious, but it should be equally obvious that he knows the playbook 10x better than Bolden. Give Bolden a full year in the system and watch out, skies the limit but as of now, McGloin gives the team the best chance to win.
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I don't see us winning against...
… Iowa, Nebraska, Ohio State, and Wisconsin next year unless our defense improves dramatically. It is REALLY BAD. The offense will be fine with McGloin next year. It actually should be really good except for the o-line question marks.
The defense is not "REALLY BAD"
It is a middle of the road defense. We are not used to having a middle of the road defense so its difficult. If Michigan had PSU’s current defense, there is a good chance they would be undefeated. Players improve. The D gets all significant contributers back except on, Ogbu. he will be a loss but Terry and Hill are there along with some young guys to add depth. The entire secondary plus depth is back and the linebacker won’t be worse, they will all improve.
eff it, I'm going derp
by BMAN13 on Nov 22, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd.
None of the statistics confirm the idea that our defense is as bad as people say they are.
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Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
well, compared to what we're used to....
…it is pathetic and has been pathetic to watch almost the entire year except for the 2nd half of the Northwestern game (more like 3rd quarter) and 1st half of the Ohio St. game.
No chance in hell would Michigan be undefeated with our defense. Nobody would be undefeated with a defense as bad as ours. We don’t seem to like contact, are awful at tackling, and have poor discipline. Sure, I’ll be happy to add a “compared to what we’re used to.” I have not seen a Penn State defense this bad in my lifetime (Feb 1973) and I’m sure you’d have to go back at least a few years farther than ‘73 to find a worse one.
I really don’t hold out much hope for next year, but I hope I’m wrong. It’s tough to be optimistic with this group of defenders and usually I look at Penn State football through rose-colored glasses.
You use pathetic, poor, and awful too many times.
This defense is just not that bad.
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Where's Shell? This guy needs a bunny.
by Frank O'Brien on Nov 22, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
O NOES
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks Rambler
By the way, the worst defense I could remember was ‘84. I went to look up the stats, Ray Isom at Safety was the leading tackler with 82, Shane Conlan, Soph, next with 77 and Lance Hamilton at CB was 3rd with 74. I’d also like to include the ’94 defense based on stats alone but the offense scored so quickly that the D spent a lot of time on the field.
by Frank O'Brien on Nov 22, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
The '84 team beat #5 Iowa and Chuck Long in their third game.
They then proceeded to lose to every good team excepting BC on the rest of the schedule.
After getting crushed by Pitt, Joe called his team “A bunch of babies”
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
1994 was a rough year defensively.
Fortunately, the offense was so great that it didn’t matter that much. I remember cringing every time our D was on the field, just praying for the BBDS to work.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?" Vince Lombardi
The defense did the job when it counted against UM, Illinois, and Oregon
Sandusky did his job when it counted.
That’s all I’ve got to say about that.
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
"Phil Yeboah-Kodie off the edge sacks O'Neill!"
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Pathetic is Michigan's defense
We’ve been spoiled the last decade with good defenses. This one isn’t one of them but that said, this team isn’t awful/pathetic/etc. I’m not going to tell you to get off the ledge because it sounds like you’ve already jumped.
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
I apologize,
I’ll stop using such strong words that could be potentially damaging to the feeble psyche of not yet fully developed college athlete.
Ok, now you're just being facetious
You can think the defense is terrible, go ahead, that’s your opinion. However, I can point to a funny little thing called STATS and prove that this team isn’t awful. So you can hold to your opinion (they’re like the things you sit on, everybody has one) while I’ll stick to facts, statistics and proven evidence.
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
Who would Michigan lose to with PSU's defense
Look at their schedule. If their defense forced 5 punts a game, that would be 3 more scoring chances than they currently have. This PSU defense gives up some yards but still gets occasional stops. Michigan KILLS PSU this year, if they have PSU’s defense. I think they beat Wiscy if they have PSU’s D. Look at their Iowa game.
eff it, I'm going derp
Nice write up Mike.
Anybody who thinks sacrificing wins to “develop” a young player is just ridiculous. The value of extra practice and going bowling for an ENTIRE team far exceeds the benefits letting a young guy get knocked around, who’s probably a bit shell shocked by now.
McGloin is not infallible, but he seems to be the best option at this point. I’m very happy that we have two capable QB’s who can be plugged in with minimal changes to the playbook. If Bolden is the competitor we think he is, he’ll come into Bowl and Spring practices with a chip on his shoulder and ready to take back the job. If he can put it together, he will be just flat out scary with our talent.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
Agreed
People assume that by sacrificing this year under Bolden in the name of “next year” that next year we’ll be better with a better record because of it. And we all know what what happens when people assume…
by stewsplace on Nov 22, 2010 10:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
except people are also assuming Bolden will be more likely to lose the games than McGloin.
speculation is a two-way street
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 22, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
But
McGloin is winning games now. To suggest Bolden could play just as well or better is speculation. We’ve got a bird in the hand right now. Let’s not go for two in the bush.
TWSS
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
by jman07 on Nov 22, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
really, one is usually more than enough, usually.....
eff it, I'm going derp
by BMAN13 on Nov 22, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and Bolden was winning the same type of games before
except we got dusted by Illinois. That is the basis for this argument. One game where the entire team played like crap against an Illinois team that at the time looked like they knew what they were doing.
Now if you said “but McGloin is scoring TDs now” then maybe, but I still think that’s a product of the whole team playing better (that tends to happen as the season goes on, especially with a young team), plus the lesser defenses he’s been facing.
I’m completely behind McGloin, and I’m fine with him as QB since he’s doing the job as well as I’d expect from anyone right now, I just think all the talk that makes it seem like he’s obviously the better QB than Bolden right now is baseless. (For the record, I’d also be completely behind Bolden right now, and would be fine with him as QB).
Should we also say that McGloin is better at keeping tigers away? I haven’t seen any since he took over as QB. (I know he is not, and it is in fact due to this trusty rock I keep around)
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 22, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Of course
McGloin has been the better QB. HES PUT THE BALL IN THE ENDZONE. Anyone watching the Bama or Iowa games would have seen long drives where we couldn’t put up 7. McGloin has been scoring TD’s, so yeah, he’s been better. And “better” is about puting up points and W’s. I don’t care about stats as much as I do with the ability to win. So you can’t use the word “baseless” because anyone watching these games has a base to form an opinion on. This doesn’t mean McGloin will have continued success, it just means he’s been the better QB this season so far.
by stewsplace on Nov 22, 2010 12:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can't argue the putting the ball in the endzone point
But he’s also benifited from an improved running game, improved oline, and improved play calling in the redzone.
This really seems like a chicken and the egg argument. The pro-McGloin side seems to think all of that happened because of McGloin. The rest of us aren’t so sure. Either way, I can’t argue with the leave McGloin in argument. In fact, I support it. Whether he has been the benifactor or the benifitee seems mute- Penn State is winning with McGloin under center.
by psuphysicist on Nov 22, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
This is going to be my new response on BSD
everytime somebody, well, has a cow.
Brilliant, Mr. Breezy!
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Time to stop.
Because now you’re milking it.
boy he must feel sheepish
/doing it wrong
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 23, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I have grown up with spell and grammer check
Internet blogs and laziness have significantly contributed to my improper usage/spelling.
When its important I edit. Until then, I can’t make myself look any stupider than I already am
by psuphysicist on Nov 22, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Corrected:
“we are too country, we have moo points”
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Exactly
Football ain’t wrestling. Or Golf. A lot of things have to happen, together, for a football team to have success.
But that’s not what worries me about this thread. I can’t understand why commenters can’t improve at criticism. Would love, love, love to see a little more Thoughtful and a little less LOUD NOISES.
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
are you sure its not wrestling? Did you watch the Indiana O-line block on Saturday?? There were quite a few tie ups.
eff it, I'm going derp
I need to rewatch the game still
But aside from that, don’t bait me, bman. This is too grumpy a Monday for me to be doling out beatdowns to one of the good guys ;)
You know as well as I do what I mean. Klopacz goes out there and missed a block, Silas Redd still may make the guy miss and head to the house. Brian Pearsall goes out there and misses defending a headlock, and he’s on his back with no teammate’s help.
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
I wasn't arguing your point
I was just being an ass and throwing out useless tidbits of sarcasm.
eff it, I'm going derp
except for the illinois game, both the QBs have put up the Ws they should have
and scored points.
As I say higher in this thread:
in the FBS quarters/games that Bolden has played in, based on our opponents we’d expect to put up 20 points per game.
in the FBS quarters/games McGloin has played in, based on our opponents, we’d expect to put up 35 points per game.
Based purely on the teams we are playing against, we SHOULD be putting up more points
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 22, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I still lay the Illinois defeat on the fact that the defense was just decimated for that game with new guys all around. Some of those guys have gotten much better, Willis, while we still need some depth where others are. I don’t think the offense could play the way they wanted because the defense couldn’t stop a meatball from rolling overthem. And, because the offense had to change midstream, the coaches did not have the confidence in a true freshman QB to really run what they needed. I don’t think they would have had that confidence in McGloin at that point either. Tough loss but the team was just really beat up for that game.
eff it, I'm going derp
Bird in the hand
Sums it up perfectly. Thank you. Not even sure what there is to debate about actually
by stewsplace on Nov 22, 2010 12:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Random thought...
Last night I realized that Chaz Powell is not a Junior and will be back next year. That should make the situation in our secondary interesting, no? Lynn, Morris, Powell, Astorino, Sukay and maybe Thomas? That’s a lot of depth.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
juh?
What you talkin’ bout, Willis?
(sorry, had to)
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I was going to do something like that, but figured I'd leave it for someone else....
eff it, I'm going derp
thanks for leaving it open to me ;-)
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Powell finally had basically a complete game
against a very good offense. Corners will always get beat. It’s the nature of the job. He did, however, make some outstanding plays at corner. He’s much more of a natural there (or really at safety, but that’s another discussion entirely) than at receiver.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I can't remember too many big, physical DBs in recent PSU history
But I like the looks of Powell covering another team’s big, strong WR. We know he’s got the wheels to stick with most anyone, it’s nice to see him be able to get physical.
by OctaShields on Nov 22, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
we're usually smurfs at that position..
speedy guys who cover well but don’t hit or break up passes. Lynn, Powell and Willis can change that.
Maybe they can be almost as good as the 2005 back 4.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Loved that defense from top to bottom. Zemaitis was such a player.
Best cornerback duo we’ve had in years. Lot of swagger between him and Anwar, and they backed it up. Safeties were terrific too.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Those guys could hit....great great DB's
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Sad he never made it in the league.
I know they moved him to safety, but maybe he just never picked up the nuances of playing there versus corner?
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
It just blows my mind
I remember watching him and thinking he was a sure fire NFL player. Oh well – he was a heckuva college player
Think he ran something like a 4.65 at the combine
or somewhere else. Note that I could’ve just pulled that out of my rear end. but if I’m remembering that correctly, maybe he was just too much of a tweener for the NFL.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Gotcha
I understand he didn’t make it – just seemed weird.
Wonder whatever happened to him
Wikipedia tells me he plays in the CFL
for the Hamilton Tiger-Cats. Sounds like PSU is taking over Canada.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
He lied about being injured at the combine
and that ticked the Bucs heiarchy off. They bad mouthed him to the rest of the league and there goes opportunity.
eff it, I'm going derp
AZ was a beast
I wish I could find a pic or video of him stripping Henne and taking it back.
by OctaShields on Nov 22, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure this will come up in the Defense grades,
but Chappell was really picking on Powell, at least when I was paying attention to the secondary. He managed though.
I can't believe I only have 4 hours to tailgate. Somehow this is Lee Corso's fault.
by Illegal Formation on Nov 22, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I thought so too.
As for Astorino, the kid is our best tackler in the secondary but he seems too slow in pass coverage.
by Frank O'Brien on Nov 22, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
depth?
Too bad none of them are all that good. Stephon Morris has been absolutely atrocious. He’s made a couple nice plays and while he may have talent, he has absolutely no hunger. Seems to be happy being seen wearing the uniform or something. Terrible football player. The other guys in the secondary haven’t been much better. Astorino is a decent football player, but not a very good athlete.
Mauti is the only consistent force on the defense and he can’t stay on the field. I’m very worried about the improvement of this defense next year because I’m just not sure where it’s going to come from.
One last thing. I was impressed with Pete Massaro’s play on Saturday. Maybe he is someone whom with which we can hold out some hope.
p.s. will we ever again have a corner as good as David Macklin? Zemaitus is the only guy the past 15 years that has been in the same ballpark. Powell was awful on Saturday.
p.p.s. Powell should never return any sort of a kick again. He dances around on every return and never takes it full speed up the gut. Hopefully Silas Redd will see some more opportunities as a kick returner. That is how a kick off should be returned.
I think people are bashing Astorino because he's....you know.
I’m getting tired of the complaints about the guy. When was the last time he missed a tackle or was responsible for breaking down in coverage?
The Backup Freshman Safety Whose Name I Can Never Remember is also quite talented and despite his inexperience, the breakdowns haven’t been very notable and they haven’t happened that often.
Lynn was ok on Saturday and it’s important to remember that IU has some really good receivers. The secondary is fine. Sukay’s coming back…
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Malcom Willis.
Five seconds until I forget again.
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Lynn needs to learn...
how to turn his head back and look for the ball. That cost a touchdown against us on Saturday.
Astorino has done his job all year
I have been surprised that he has gotten some heat on here, he brought down plenty of guys after the line missed the tackle.
I was happy he got that INT on Saturday
400. That is all.
Lynn was better than OK,
I thought.
I can't believe I only have 4 hours to tailgate. Somehow this is Lee Corso's fault.
by Illegal Formation on Nov 22, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Astorino is probably the best tackler on the team.
I really like him. He plays tough, he plays injured when he needs to, he does everything this team asks of him. He has the potential to be a good team captain, I think.
My mojo is back! Beat Sparty!
Wow, this is bold.
Stephon Morris has been absolutely atrocious. He’s made a couple nice plays and while he may have talent, he has absolutely no hunger. Seems to be happy being seen wearing the uniform or something. Terrible football player.
Morris has slumped this year, but I’d never call him out for essentially being lazy. He’s overly aggressive in coverage and that lets him get beat. Plus, he’s a young guy. He’ll get better.
Powell was far better than “awful” on Saturday. Indiana is a great passing team. It’s the only way they score points. They’re going to beat our corners on occasion. Powell had a few pass breakups and looked reasonable out there.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
well, I guess reasonable
is acceptable for this defense. Too bad Powell played his worst in the redzone where it counted the most on Saturday.
Well it's certainly not awful.
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
he did break up that 4th down pass from IU that let us keep the line covered
Predicting Penn State's Offensive Scripts since 2005!
He also brought down one of the IU runners at the 4 yard line or something,
when it looked like the guy was going to make it into the end zone for sure. He grabbed the guys collar and was bringing him down and then Wilis or Morris or someone came over to assist.
My mojo is back! Beat Sparty!
thanks for pointing that out, Paige
My girlfriend has an idea for a show called “The Daily Shine.” Instead of being weighed down by negativity like the typical modern newscast, it would focus on only uplifting positive news. The theme song would be “Walking on Sunshine.” You should consider trying out for co-host.
Ha Ha!
I would prefer “Always look on the bright side” as my theme song.
My mojo is back! Beat Sparty!
...of Life..... that would be a good one too...
although admittedly I cheated and googled it. Based on recognizabiliity, I think Walking on Sunshine would be the way to go. Then again, maybe neither since she has a new idea every week and it will probably never be a show :)
it was laughable how bad
Morris got beat on the long pass down the sideline that set up the first Indiana TD. I mean he was literally beaten by 7-10 yards. SEVEN TO TEN YARDS!!! How does a “top notch athlete” get beat that bad? He has been consistently disappointing all year. On a positive note, I did see him knife up last week and make a good stop on a run against Ohio State. I didn’t think he had it in him.
Morris was stellar last year
Last year’s MSU game plan was essentially “pick on that freshman corner with screens and passes to the flat” and Morris flatout shut down that side of the field. This season has been tough, because without ample LB support and with a lot of rotating going on in the secondary, the CB’s mistakes are really, really obvious.
I’ll give him a pass this season. the secondary as a whole has been much improved over last year, which was improved over the year before that. I think next season will be a 2005 caliber secondary.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
Having no pass rush really hurts the secondary.
It leaves them out there defending receivers running everywhere for way too long. I think they’ve been effective for most of the year.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
he fell when he tried to recover from taking a bite on an out fake.
that is why he was so far behind. It was pretty clear on the replay. He got back up but was too far behind.
eff it, I'm going derp
And Astorino was late/slow there as well.
by Frank O'Brien on Nov 22, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Astorino had responsiblity for the deep cross which almost collided with the open Doss.
eff it, I'm going derp
BMAN
Don’t you realize that slipping = awful? No competent Div 1 corner EVER falls down?
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
but...
he hasn’t been competent this year, so I’m down on him. His play in the Kent State game was borderline embarrassing. I really hope he steps it up next week, in the bowl game, and next year. And like the person above said, the d-line getting some pressure on pass plays would definitely help.
Yeah, that 100-yard kickoff return against Youngstown State really sucked.
My mojo is back! Beat Sparty!
whatever Paige
obviously that return was great (albeit against a 1AA team), but Powell really isn’t a very good kickoff returner. If you were being honest with yourself, you would admit that he dances around on almost every return. Anyone with a bit of speed can have a lucky return here and there.
From now on, I will stop using words like “awful,” “atrocious,” and “pitiful” and replace them with “not very good,” “far from excellent,” and “has got a ways to go.”
I know he hasn't been doing very well lately,
I just keep hoping for a flash of brilliance every now and then. The dude has wheels! He just needs to run straight ahead.
My mojo is back! Beat Sparty!
After a discussion
I had this weekend with an individual. I’m going to withhold blame on the QBs for a while….there is a seed of doubt in my mind that Jay isn’t as bad as I thought and more of it could be the result of Gallen Hall/Kenny/Anderson
That said….Bolden should be playing
Why should bolden be playing?
And I think it’s really tough to evaluate Jay. Bolden is a perfect example. He came in late and unexpectedly won the job – not because of coaching, but because of raw talent. Did he get progressively better as the year went on with more coaching?? Not sure I would say yes to that. Were DC17 and Robinson “coached” to the level they got to, or was it because of pure athleticism? So- If we’re winning with McGloin…why would you want to try someone else? Also, and it’s just my opinion, but if Bolden never lost his spot, and he played against Michigan and NW…I think we’de have lost one of those games, if not both
by stewsplace on Nov 22, 2010 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Bolden should play against MSU
Unless something crazy happens. But let’s get real, who has a better chance at improving substantially during the offseason?
by misdreavus79 on Nov 22, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
No offense
But who cares who has more potential to improve in the off season. McGloin has been better as of late…and noone has any clue what the off season will bring. Play who gives you the best chance to win.
by stewsplace on Nov 22, 2010 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hooray! He's coming around
there is a seed of doubt in my mind that Jay isn’t as bad as I thought
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Oh don't get me wrong
He’s still a clown and I dislike him. I just hate him a little less…..not much but a tiny tiny tiny bit.
I had a convo with someone and without naming names or getting into specifics basically explained it like this. This is how the offense goes….and once again this was at a tailgate so take it with a grain of salt.
Gallen Hall decides if it’s a run or a pass. If it’s a run he calls the run. If it’s a pass Jay calls the pass. Gallen wants to retire but is basically staying there for Joe. He’s mailed it in and Joe’s trust/faith in Gallen lets him basically do whatever.
So let’s have the following scenario.
1st and 10: Royster up the middle for a gain of 2
2nd and 8: Royster up the middle for a gain of 1
3rd and 7: Incomplete pass
The individual said that to judge Jay I shouldn’t be looking at the 1st and 2nd down calls. Gallen was the one that called the run…not Jay. Jay had no input on if it was going to be a run or what type of run. Jay has one job to call the passing plays. So when it’s 3rd and 7 and the defense brings in the nickle package and everyone knows a pass is coming, who’s fault is that? That said I still think he’s a smug little jerk that shouldn’t be writing articles and doing political stuff and the rest.
We also had a discussion about the Michigan State game a few years back where Morelli threw the 4 incomplete passes in a row to end the game. According to this individual, Jay did want Morelli to win the game via the pass. Not so much to vindicate Jay as a coach and saying yea I can coach a big time QB but to say “See , Morelli is a heckuva QB and can win a game”
So yea, whatever….I still dislike Jay but he’s his own man and I guess he’s not the worst person in the world.
That theory has been floating around for a while..
and there’s probably some truth to it.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Funny,
that’s what’s on his business card.
Jay Paterno: Not the worst person in the world.
I can't believe I only have 4 hours to tailgate. Somehow this is Lee Corso's fault.
by Illegal Formation on Nov 22, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This is probably a great description of his father as well...
That said I still think he’s a smug little jerk that shouldn’t be writing articles and doing political stuff and the rest.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
touche.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
so you'd like Jay more if he was touting some Conservative agenda?
One of the worst pictures I’ve ever seen is JoePa arm in arm with W at a political rally. This was in 2004 when my discontent with the program was at its worst, but I don’t keep that picture in my back pocket as a reason to stay mad at Joe everytime PSU loses a game. Its silly.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Eh
I wouldn’t like him more or less – just saying it would be a little more reasonable.
I think someone said something like, “If you’re not a liberal at age 20 you’re heartless…if you’re not a conservative at age 40 you’re an idiot”
Whatever – he doesn’t hunt, fish, golf or anything else. If that’s his downtime I guess it’s his downtime. Just has to realize that fairly or unfairly he’s the face of the offense when he’s the only one doing interviews, SI, news papers, etc
This is getting way to political
but I don’t agree that your like or dislike of something non-political should be hinged to that thing’s political affiliation. We’re talking about sports here.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Listen
I’m not saying that I’m liking him any more or less because of his political affiliations. I’m just saying that as the face of the offense , stuff like this will always come about fairly or unfairly.
When you’re in front of the cameras people have the belief that you’re the offensive coordinator. Then when you lay an egg on the road and struggle to score points people wonder if maybe some of that time campaigning for Obama or writing for statecollege.com should have been spent reviewing tape.
Whatever the case may be…I feel a lot better about Jay not being the head coach or staying on board after Joe leaves.
So by your logic...
I could have been upset with JoePa for doing this:
during one of PSU’s worst seasons ever?
C’mon man, just let the political stuff go..its a happier place here without it.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I just flagged this on principle
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by OctaShields on Nov 22, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Oh c'mon..don't flag me brah..
I was proving a point.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I know, I'm sorry
It wasn’t directed at you. My finger just flew to the flag button. But hot damn does that picture make me a little uncomfortable to look at.
by OctaShields on Nov 22, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Picture makes me feel dirty too.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Jay won 18 games with this guy.
Great job, Jay!
/blames defense for three of four losses in 2007
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Parachute Pants?
"Personal Attack"- R. Aceto
by Bob Sacamano on Nov 22, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I heard
Galen Hall is a Tea Partier and Larry Johnson is a bigtime Libertarian.
McQuery is obviously a communist.
Also, no one cares.
by OctaShields on Nov 22, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I will care if someone is a communist.
I hate Wisconsin!
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Does it offend you to know that I'm not particularly conservative?
I just don’t see why Jay supporting Obama and the Democratic Party has any bearing on him as a person. I don’t support Joe’s forays into the GOP with Reagan and Bush and his son, but I do support him being active in his community and a positive role model.
Also, NO POLITICS :)
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Right,
a lot of people rag on Joe because he never leaves a one mile radius of his house, doesn’t have email, and generally isn’t an aggressive face for the program. Jay is a little more active. Why does it matter what form his outreach takes?
I can't believe I only have 4 hours to tailgate. Somehow this is Lee Corso's fault.
by Illegal Formation on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
(looks down at his shoes)
Sorry, Mike. Won’t happen again.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
But honestly it is an undertone to the entire Paterno legacy, and one that this bored thankfully, tactfully dances around. It’s difficult for a lot of people with political interest to separate the politics of the Paternos and their coaching because they have both been so outspoken. I’ve always loved that Joe and now Jay aren’t afraid of the heat they’ll take for expressing their opinions. Before Joe was a stubborn old man he was quite a rebel for this stuff.
But politics is ugly, and we’re all Penn State fans first on this board. I am infinitely grateful you demand we avoid the topic.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
Am I the only one that remembers how lifeless this offense looked under Bolden?
No, I remember, too. But it somehow seems like we’re in the minority.
I think its pretty clear that i) McGloin gives Penn State a better chance of winning right now than Bolden, and ii) we should start the qb who gives the team the best chance of winning.
Unless you disagree with either of those points, I don’t see how you can clamor for Bolden to get more pt.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Yes, for the 1 (or two) games left this season
McGloin should start. Do you want him to start against Nebraska, Iowa, Ohio State, and Wisconsin next year if he doesn’t get leaps and bounds better than he is now?
by misdreavus79 on Nov 22, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
it depends on the rest of the qb's
I want Penn State to start whichever QB (or LB, OLineman, DB, etc) who gives the best chance of winning. If McGloing gives the team that best chance to win next year, then I want him to start. If Bolden or Jones or someone else gives the team the best chance next year, then I want them. But I won’t know until next year, and even then, it’s hard to know really who gives the team the best chance to win without watching practice unless everyone gets meaningful game snaps.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I don't disagree with that
I just disagree with this notion that McGloin is leaps and bounds better than Bolden I’ve been hearing lately.
by misdreavus79 on Nov 22, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Nobody is saying he's leaps and bounds better.
The point is, when hes playing, the OFFENSE is leaps and bounds better.
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
Sometimes it is.
Sometimes it’s not. People seem to only remember the former.
The second half against OSU was ugly.
Look at the scores of the games, what the offense has done with McGloin vs Bolden. You can argue what it means and where the improvement has come from, but you can’t argue results.
Look, I was dead set against McGloin. Thought Joe was crazy to even think about playing him instead of Bolden. Then a funny thing happened, he played really really well. Do I think Bolden is the QB of the future? Yes. Do I think McGloin is the better QB now? Yes.
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
Flip the logic
Suppose MyGroin plays against Iowa and Alabama and then Bolden comes in and scores a few points against craptastic defenses.
The future is Bolden….This kid is the second coming of Zach Mills without the arm strength
You seriously think Mills had a stronger arm than McGloin?
I think we all need to rewatch the shotputt that was the Zack Mills heave.
As an aside, Mills was a fantastic cerebral quaterback with some serious limitations regarding personnel (with exception to 2002). I’d love to have Mills as this team’s QB.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I've said it before
Pre-Injury mills with these wideouts would be amazing.
Matt Senneca had a stronger arm than Mills.
Remember all of those highlight reel Bryant Johnson catches? Remember why they were highlight reel catches? Because Mills was underthrowing him. Don’t get me wrong, I loved Mills, but let’s be realistic.
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely
Watch the Iowa 2002 almost comeback. Mills was throwing it in the general vicinity of Johnson, and he was beating 2-3 defenders to the ball every time.
by OctaShields on Nov 22, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I'm torn about the whole McGloin thing
I think he’s done a good job, and at this point, he’s the best option, no question. But I think you’re plateauing with McGloin. I just don’t think he’s ever going to be much better than he is now, while the upside with Bolden has the potential to be huge.
That said, I think McGloin should start the rest of the season, but I don’t think that should mean that Bolden shouldn’t see some meaningful snaps when the game is on the line. I don’t think that giving the kid a series at the end of the game that’s already been decided does anything to help him. That doesn’t mean McGloin shouldn’t get the bulk of the reps though.
While I agree that McGloin gives us the best chance to win now, I don’t think he gives us the best chance to win in the future. So, ideally, if I were running the team, I’d give him a series or two in the first half against Sparty. But, I’m not, so my opinion means squat.
Exactly.
People don’t understand that McGloin has already had the opportunity to get better behind the starter. Bolden has not. But I guess we’ll find out next year.
by misdreavus79 on Nov 22, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I still don't see why this would be true, other than the fact that
Bolden was a 4-star QB recruit and McGloin came in as a walk-on.
Chris Bell’s upside was also huge. Deon Butler is one of the best receivers in the history of this program.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Look, I'm not disagreeing that McGloin should get the bullk of the snaps,
for the rest of the year.
I’ve already said that. And the upside has nothing to do with the fact that McGloin is a walk-on or Bolden’s meaningless recruiting rankings. But McGloin’s been in the program for three years, and Bolden’s been in the program for three months, and STILL earned the starting job. People can talk about moxie this and emotion that, but Bolden brings something to the table, too, that’s all I’m saying. It’s a great problem for Penn State to have, but it’s a divisive issue for fans. We all see what we want to see, I guess.
Forget the stars
Moye and Bell are 4-star guys, Zug is a walk on. Ergo all walk-ons are your overlord with questionable hands. You can make any case you want with anecdotal evidence.
Just watch the games this season. Bolden has a quick release and a lot of zip on his passes. But he doesn’t read blitzes, audible or generally figure out how to extend the play on 3rd down. McGloin is seeing the game much better and has good touch on his passes. But his arm is not as strong or accurate. It’s pretty clear reading the game take precedent.
It’s not guaranteed Bolden will progress. Everyone looks at Jake Locker or Jacory Harris and sees an NFL QB. But they still make awful mistakes. Still, I think Bolden will comtinue to put it together better over time.
Forget the stars is right.
Hence my comparison. It wasn’t meant to say that 4-stars fail and walk-ons thrive here. It’s just meant to say that there’s no real meaningful reason why Bolden would only get better while McGloin is destined to remain stationary except for their recruiting rankings coming out of high school.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
There is a meaningful reason actually
Bolden is a frosh. McGoin is a junior, albeit a RS soph in football years. Most players make a big jump at some point where the light turns on. The way McGloin is playing, I kind of feel like he’s made that jump already. What more can he do against the mediocre defenses? Throw for 450 yards instead of 300?
One thing we’ve seen is OSU exposed McGloin’s major weakness. Take away the underneath stuff, and he will make more mistakes. Granted not ever defense can do this. But now that there is some tape on McGloin decent teams know how to make him uncomfortable. Sort of the same story for Bolden—once teams saw he couldn’t read a blitz, they brought the house on 3rd down.
And we'll find out next year
If McGloin could get added to that list. You think I won’t be happy if we make it to the Championship Game with McGloin at QB?
This is stupid.
This is Michigan State hate week! No more of this crap about Jay and Obama, or McGloin and Bolden (Suck it, Fugi), I want hate!
Also, I’m sorry for harping on this some more, but like Blair, Silas Redd just looks like a tailback:
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I didn't think this pic would be so gigantic.
Sorry.
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
try the "width" attribute..
for example, add width =“50%” int he html code
But yeah, I’m ready to throw aside political affiliations and pound some Spartans…….
..you know what I mean.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
"I didn't think this pic would be so gigantic"
That’s what she said?
"Personal Attack"- R. Aceto
by Bob Sacamano on Nov 22, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
No.
But you are pushing it.
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Jenn Sterger?
From what I hear, she had the opposite response.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
by skarocksoi on Nov 22, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The neck bump
in the shoulderpads is key to making you look like a beast.
But maybe it’s a chicken-egg situation. Do you have the neck bump because you’re a beast or are you a beast because you have the neck bump?
by OctaShields on Nov 22, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
It's gotta be the shoes.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I still can't figure out why
it’s such a given that Bolden is so much physically superior to McGloin. Yeah, I’m sure he can beat him in a race. Again, as I have said repeatly, McGloin has very good mechanics. You can see he was well coached. He feels the rush pretty well.
Now, if you watch Bolden, he does have a tendency to throw off his back foot. Sometimes he seems reluctant to move in the pocket. He may have a better arm that McGloin, but I can’t tell because he doesn’t stop into his throws right now.
Long term, he may win the Heisman Trophy, but right now McGloin is better. I know, he played against lesser teams, but do you think we beat Michigan (eh, maybe) or Northwestern without McGloin?
I also don’t get the hate for Astorino. He is rarely out of position, the best tackler on that defense, and has recently had to learn a new position. For whoever said he isn’t a good athlete, I watched him win the state basketball and football title in high school, pretty much by himself. That’s an athlete.
When you put those black shoes on tomorrow, and you put on that jersey without your name on the back, and you put that plain helmet on, that's tradition. Penn State tradition!
--Who else?
My take in Astorino..
is that his talents as a football player are greater than his athleticism. He’s not the fastest or the strongest, but he puts himself in position to make plays and he’s a pretty sure tackler.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
what Artiefufkin10 said
When I say Astorino “isn’t a good athlete,” I’m not comparing him to your every day Joe. The comparison is relative to guys at his position that play for other top level division 1A college football programs. Sorry I didn’t clarify that.
I like McGloin starting
but come on, you have to admit that Bolden is MUCH more talented that McGloin. It really isn’t even close. Even the most strident McGloin supporter can see that he doesn’t have the arm, footspeed, height, etc that Bolden has. Hence, physically superior.
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
Bolden has looked lousy everytime he's run the ball.
like he doesn’t know what he’s doing.
In the Temple game he wasn’t getting out of bounds and getting hammered. In the Iowa game, he was way too hesitant on that run. There was another game where he just straight up picked the wrong hole…maybe it was Minny.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
also, his speed is not really that impressive.
His arm strength and accuracy, however are really good.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think the reason that he doesn't seem fast
is because he’s soooo hesitant when it comes to running. Not saying he’s fleet of foot but he’s definitely very indecisive right now. Which is why McNeckbeard is now starting.
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
Yup
Bolden doesn’t understand where to cut at this point. He’ll learn eventually. Bolden is pretty fast, actually. Just doesn’t know how to use it yet. Find a hole, cut, then slide after the 1st down marker.
Right now his footwork is bad. It’s not just running, but moving in the pocket and putting his body into the throw. The moving in the pocket thing is tougher to learn, I think. Hoping JayPa works on the mechanics part.
It would help if he added a bunch of muscle, too. Bolden is really skinny right now.
maybe if he was from...
Nigeria or something and this was his first year or three playing football. Seriously, he’ll learn to cut? If he hasn’t already learned something that is more instinctual than anything, I’m skeptical that he ever will.
whenever you change levels
the timing is going to change drastically from your previous level. Give the kid time to adjust.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 23, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
against Iowa...
not getting in from the 1 yd line told me all I really need to know about Bolden as a runner. Even a lesser athlete had no business getting stopped at that play. It showed very poor instincts. I’m off the Bolden kool aid for the time being, but that doesn’t mean he won’t be good at some point in the future. Then again, by no means is he assured to do great things in his career. I will bet the farm that he will NOT be the starter next week and I’ll be happy for it. Why? Because now I’m drinking the McCloin kool aid even despite the 2nd half against Ohio St. The guy has a rare evident confidence and the ability to fire the team up! Who knows whether Bolden has abilities in him.
Here's what keeps going through my head
Jay can coach up a “less talented” kid to compete at All-Big-Ten levels, but he struggles with kids who have superior talent and limited intangibles. It’s documented. Robinson, Clark, McGloin. Hard working, fantastic leaders, not going to make an NFL roster (as a QB).
Jay can take the fiesty underdog QB and polish him up and build a system around them that fits their strengths. But how has he done taking an already polished QB and getting him to win games? Why didn’t Morelli or Devlin flourish if Jay is such a good coach for the lesser talents?
I believe the answer is that Jay can’t coach leadership, confidence, and game awareness. If a kid comes into the system with those things, Jay will make them a winner. I just think there’s a certain type of guy Jay has success coaching, and I wonder if Bolden fits the bill or not. I’m starting to believe Jones is the leading candidate for next season simply b/c he may have the best combination of talent and leadership.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
Oh c'mon man..
Why does all PSU football talk end up in these circular arguments?
Devlin? Seriously Devlin? Here’s the thing, if Devlin stuck around, there is no doubt in my mind that he WOULD have flourished and we’re probably sitting pretty with one or two losses. With Devlin’s ability and our WR core, its a no brainer….BUT DEVLIN. DID. NOT. WANT. TO. COMPETE. END OF STORY.
As for the other guys, I believe Jay did the best he could with them. Do you remember Clark throwing the ball in garbage time during ‘06 and ’07? His technique was AWFUL. Fast forward 2 years into Jay’s system and he’s the B10’s top QB.
Morelli simply didn’t have the killer QB instincts. MRob had the instincts, but never the form.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're missing my point
I think Jay is a fantastic coach, one of the best in the conference. How many schools what Jay has done, turning kids like Clark and McGloin into TD machines? I wasn’t trying to say he can’t coach the 5 star kids. I meant the 5 star kids much harder to coach and in some cases (Morelli) are simply uncoachable.
MRob, Clark, and now McGloin fought like hell and worked their butts off. And the result was they absorbed more of Jay’s coaching and took the same ultra-competative attitude to the field and won a lot of games. (they’re like 37-6 between them as starters).
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
alright I gotcha..
it was a misunderstanding on my part
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
eh..
Devlin was HAPPILY competing, winning the battles and losing the JayPa “homespun story” war JayPa likes to weave. Clark was/is a great kid – just never won anything big until the slopfest. Devlin could have won two NC’s. Will JayPa seriously get a sniff for any ass’t coaching job above D-II level when Dad departs? I am very happy with the McGloin and can’t wait til he gets to QB them against Bama next Sept. The problem with the “future” is it never gets here. My only concern is JayPa actually tries to teach McGloin something and messes him up. The kid’s a natural, send in the plays and let him go. Just maybe he’s got enough “swa***” and “mox**” to stand up to the JayPa curse.
"Devlin was HAPPILY competing ... Devlin could have won two NC’s"
Until he asked for his release, of course. He could have been the next Ron Powlus!
Snark?
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Until he asked for his release...
Absolutely correct. After his release, that first year in a new system – with new teammates and new coaches was going to be a bit of a longshot. So two was a stretch — and playing three top-5 teams — made it tough. But hey, check out Frisco, TX on January 7th and he just might get his one. And that will be one more than JayPa has in his illustrious coaching career. (Yes, we all know JayPa was a “member of the 1986 National Championship team.” Can we asterisk that thing in the media guide?)
No quit in that boy
He asked for the release because it was, as Letterman says, an exhibition, not a competition. PD wasn’t gonna get the start. Would be a hoot if he wins the Unitas Award.
Yeah, 'cause it's really hard to do well at Delaware.
He quit, plain and simple. He left his team high and dry. Maybe it was the best decision for him, but he should have at least waited until after the Rose Bowl to do it.
My mojo is back! Beat Sparty!
I mean, who cares, really?
Do any of us really hold any ill will to Pat Devlin for leaving? He did what he thought was best for himself and that’s fine. We had several very good years with the guy who beat him for the starting job at the helm.
I’ll never understand the Devlin obsession, because it seems to me that those people are far more attached to Devlin than they are to PSU. Unless you’re a family member, why bother?
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
I wish him well,
I just think he was a quitter. I love DC17 and was glad that he did such an awesome job for us.
My mojo is back! Beat Sparty!
He can have his FCS National Championship.
Congratulations to him. He couldn’t and didn’t beat out a two-time All-Big Ten QB who went 22-4 while starting here. I’ll take my chances that the coaches made the right decision on who the better QB to run their system in college was.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
the coaches made the right decision on who the better QB...
Since Jay has had a hand in QB’s I have little faith that is true. His record speaks to that. Which is why I’m a bit shocked (but happy) McG is still playing. I’m not interested in them choosing the QB who gives us the best chance to win, I’m interested in them choosing the QB who DOES win. DC17 did a good job and often gets credit for at least one win that wasn’t his. He was/is a GREAT kid (can’t say that enough!). PD is most assuredly not a quitter. And I’m quite sure PD will take his FCS title and go play on Sunday’s. When introduced on CBS/Fox he will go by PD, University of Delaware. And I think the “obsession” is that some of us fans hate that we missed the chance to see his talent on the field at the Beav. enuf on that.
he IS A QUITTER, HE QUIT INSTEAD OF COMPETING.
He may make the big show, he may be a good pro sometime. It has been stated by more than one coach that EVERYONE, including the players knew who the starter was, Joe just anounced it late because he thought PD would quit during the preseason.
eff it, I'm going derp
Too early to say that about Jay, Millz.
The only “eltie” talent he had to work with was Morelli, who was mechanically perfect but just couldn’t make the mental leap at this level.
We can’t say how Devlin would’ve done this year because Clark played ahead of his for two years? Not that Devlin didn’t flourish, just that Clark was the man.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 22, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I personally don't believe that anyone can coach leadership, confidence and game awareness
I think they can develop over time (with the help of a great coach) but if the personality traits are not there, I just don’t believe that anyone can instill those intangible qualities.
As basic skill improve, so does confidence. The coach builds the skills, the confidence is in the head of the player.
That is just my opinion and I expect some opposition to it.
400. That is all.
As Coach Fry once said
The Marines can help you develop your leadership skills, but in the end, it’s a natural thing.
"NOOOO!" - Lycurgus the Lawgiver
Beat Michigan State
by ReadingRambler on Nov 22, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I hate the recruiting argument
So what Bolden had more stars, that doesn’t mean he’s going to be better than McGloin. Maybe he will, but who knows.
Also the best QB in the Big 10 is not an all-world recruit who is 6’6 and created a media circus. It’s actually some small kid from a small town in PA and ended up at a small academically based school.
Persa?
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 22, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
And I'm just sitting here......
wondering why KNews doesn’t get any snaps or Love. What?
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
Its unfortunate.
Newsome had his chances, though. He was passed over for the position by Bolden and McGloin, and might get beaten next season by PJ. Tough pill for anyone to swallow to go from a possible starting QB down to possibly the 4th string.
Win Now
I think Joe is making the choice to win now, and McGoin is scoring more points. Bolden really seemed to struggle with accuracy in the red zone. Between the twenties, he moved the ball great. Inside the red zone, he couldn’t get into the vicinity of the receiver. Temple was almost a loss because we couldn’t score touchdowns. Part of it was accuracy, and part of it, I think, is that more of the playbook is available for McGloin. I agree, after the season, open competition between McGloin, Bolden and Jones. And Newsome goes to safety (I only saw that because the guy sitting behind me at the game swore that Newsome said he would be OK with that, not exactly a credible source, but still, they don’t even any packages for him in a Wildcat or anything)
by D'Onofrio for Joe Replacement on Nov 22, 2010 1:48 PM EST reply actions
So...umm...
This got out of hand quickly in all sorts of directions. It’s a short work week for most of us. And there is much to look forward to this week, includes a day of drinking (hurray Thanksgiving Eve!), a day of eating, a day of college football (and hopefully the return of the Bloodsport open thread), another day of college football (including games we actually care about for a change), and then a day of relaxation.
So relax. The team has struggled at times, but there hasn’t been a full implosion by any means. There’s a healthy quarterback battle in which either QB could potentially be a successful starter. There have been improvements in the running game, as the backs have been better and so has the blocking. There have been some great strides made by the defense, as the younger players have started to show that they will be key players in the years to come.
We are still not far removed from when the bad years were bad years. As it is, this team is still bowl bound – maybe even to the Texas Bowl, just to get Mike out to a bowl game. Oh, and we kept the winning streak against Michigan alive. The team is about where we expected it to be – maybe a little behind, and maybe it’s been a little more ugly than predicted. But we’re here and the future (rest of this season included) is looking bright.
And at the end of the day, we can all be thankful that we’re not Notre Dame.
Designated "New Thread Is Up" guy.
by IcersGuy on Nov 23, 2010 12:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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