Michigan State Spartans By The Numbers
by BSD on Nov 24, 2010 11:01 AM EST
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Penn State |
Value (Nat'l Rank) |
Value (Nat'l Rank) |
Michigan State Spartans |
Advantage |
| Rushing Offense (ypg) | 148.2 (71) | 125.4 (23) | Rushing Defense (ypg) |  |
| Passing Offense (ypg) | 223.9 (58) | 207.1 (46) | Passing Defense (ypg) | Push |
| Pass Efficiency | 127.5 (71) | 116.4 (28) | Pass Efficiency Defense |  |
| Total Offense (ypg) | 372.1 (66) | 332.5 (28) | Total Defense (ypg) | |
| Scoring Offense (ppg) | 24.8 (81) | 19.9 (23) | Scoring Defense (ppg) | |
| Rushing Defense (ypg) | 164.7 (75) | 169.4 (41) | Rushing Offense (ypg) | |
| Passing Defense (ypg) | 189.7 (25) | 244.2 (39) | Passing Offense (ypg) | Push |
| Pass Efficiency Defense | 130.3 (73) | 150.4 (23) | Pass Efficiency | |
| Total Defense (ypg) | 354.5 (48) | 413.6 (37) | Total Offense (ypg) | Push |
| Scoring Defense (ppg) | 22.1 (40) | 31.6 (38) | Scoring Offense (ppg) | Push |
| Net Punting Yds | 39.4 (9) | 12.9 (19) | Punt Return Yds | Push |
| Punt Return Yds | 9.0 (47) | 38.4 (26) | Net Punting Yds | Push |
| Kickoff Return Yds | 22.8 (40) | 21.5 (66) | Kickoff Return Defense | Push |
| Kickoff Return Defense | 20.7 (43) | 118.5 (113) | Kickoff Return Yds |  |
| Turnover Margin | -0.18 (65) | 0.64 (T-23) | Turnover Margin | |
| Penalty Yds/Game | 27.8 (1) | 62.3 (95) | Penalty Yds/Game | |
| Sacks | 1.45 (T-94) | 0.73 (T-49) | Sacks Allowed | |
| Sacks Allowed | 0.91 (T-11) | 1.73 (T-77) | Sacks | |
| Redzone Offense (%) | 0.80 (T-75) | 0.73 (T-13) | Redzone Defense (%) | |
| Redzone Defense (%) | 0.93 (T-114) | 0.90 (T-11) | Redzone Offense (%) | |
| Redzone TD % | 0.55 | 0.51 | Redzone TD % Defense | |
| Redzone TD % Defense | 0.73 | 0.68 | Redzone TD % | |
| 3rd Down Conv. % | 43.3 (42) | 37.3 (36) | 3rd Down Defense % | Push |
| 3rd Down Defense % | 31.1 (6) | 36.9 (82) | 3rd Down Conv. % | |
| 1st Downs Per Game | 19.4 (T-64) | 18.6 (T-45) | 1st Downs Allowed PG | Push |
| 1st Downs Allowed PG | 17.8 (30) | 19.9 (59) | 1st Downs Per Game | |
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Note: The Redzone TD% and Redzone TD% Defense are calculated by me and not ranked by the NCAA. Determining who has the advantage in these categories is strictly my arbitrary judgement.
More analysis after the jump.
It's not hard to look at that chart and see which team is 10-1 and which team is 7-4 right now.
The Spartans are not spectacular at anything, but they are very good at everything. They are just an all around solid football team. Though I don't think they are as good as their record suggests. They had to go into overtime to beat a Notre Dame team that will probably finish 6-6 this year. The rest of their out of conference schedule is a joke. Purdue had them dead to rights last week until they coughed up that game. Iowa put a bigger beating on them than they did to us. They lucked out in not having to play Ohio State, though they did beat Wisconsin in impressive fashion. They have looked impressive when playing in East Lansing, but they look very vulnerable when they go on the road. Luckily this game is in Happy Valley.
Of course looking at the chart alone Penn State doesn't look like a very good team, but like I said last week, Penn State's numbers are weighted down by the horrible start until the offense found its legs. They have been playing much improved of late, and I suspect if we could compare Penn State's offensive totals from the past few weeks we would find they are a fringe top 25 team on offense.
I'm not worried about the offense in this game. I think Penn State will have success. One thing Penn State has been really good at doing this year is moving the chains on third down. The Lions have some ridiculously long touchdown drives of 80 and even 90 yards. This is evident in the superb third down conversion rate. What scares me is the defense. Penn State has not been good at stopping the running game. A lot of this has to do with the injuries they have suffered. If Michael Mauti plays this week I'll feel a lot better. But if we see Bani Gbadyu and Chris Colasanti running around for 80% of the game I'll be very worried. Michigan State will try to establish the running game, and I can see Penn State get tired out. Edwin Baker could have a huge game. I think a key for Penn State will be to light up the scoreboard early and keep the pressure on so Michigan State has to abandon the running game.
One thing I see that I like is that Michigan State generates a lot of penalties. This could be the defense's best friend in helping them get off the field. The Spartans are also not very good on third downs. So it will be key for Penn State to force them into third down situations and hope they shoot themselves in the foot.
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Consistency is key
If PSU can just put a full game together, they’ll win this game. However, if they go into a lull like the 1st half against NW, the 2nd half against brutus, and for periods of time against IU, then we’re probably looking at another 20 point loss.
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Agreed
Like I said, I think the key is getting MSU to abandon the running game. There were points last week when Indiana was pushing the pile for six yard gains. MSU loves to run the ball, and their passing game is shakey. Especially with Cousins being banged up this week. Put them in situations where they have to throw the ball and I like PSU’s chances. Let them grind it out five yards at a time and we’re in trouble.
Yea
If Mauti doesn’t play, the team’s in big trouble. Look at ‘Bama, O$U, Illinois. The blue print is there to beat the Nits, run, run, run, and then run some more. MSU has just the team to do that if the team isn’t ready.
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3rd down's
And I think you’re right that PSU needs to convert third downs and avoid as many 3 and outs as possible. Whether the defense has a limited Mauti or not, the offense can’t afford to keep putting the them back out there to have MSU pound the ball. Like you mentioned, MSU would love to run, run, and keep running. And a tired D is not going to be able to stop that. So getting some long drives and keeping the chains moving will be important.
Normally I am a skeptic
But I think we can win this game. MSU is this year’s Iowa, winning all of their close games. It’s not that they’re due for a loss, it’s just that they are not as dominant as their record suggests. If we can make a few plays—a big return, a FG block, a big 4th down conversion—then we have a legitimate shot to upset MSU.
It's MSU.
This year leaves me worried about being confident in the team. But I remember 2008 when MSU was supposed to be legit and they had a great running game. That running game got them an assbeating and 42 yards. I remember when we weren’t supposed to be that good last year and we shellacked them. I remember LJ running for 279 in the first half in 2002. This team is not that good. Yes, they beat UW. But that was before UW found its footing. They beat Iowa, but Iowa chokes on its own expectations all the time (except when playing us – then they over achieve 100% of the time). Yeah, Iowa beat us, but our O was anemic at that point. It’s passable now. I just have trouble believing that MSU has the horses to keep up if we take less than one quarter off this weekend. I have a feeling Mauti and Hodges are going to earhole everyone. McGloin will throw for at least 4 TDs, Royster and Redd combine for 180+. Once again, Greg Jones will be exposed as the third best linebacker on the field.
Marky Mark will be calling his dick time outs at the end of the fourth this Saturday, I think.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Wait the lost to Iowa. Falsity on that sentence.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Rank Count and SOS
MSU outranks PSU by a hair over 16 ranks per category. 16 is the exact difference in Sagarin SOS rankings. Overall, it couldn’t be more of a push in terms of overall goodness.
I’ll take the home team, the team that owns the other one, the team that should have no problem throwing the ball and should win the first down battle.
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
Michigan State? Rampant penalties? What? Really?
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 11:58 AM EST reply actions
Re: Bani
I wonder how effective he would be if Bradley just had him rush the QB every play. He has speed but no instincts—why not just point him at a target and let him loose?
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
Like the water boy
Just tell him to get the ball. Forget schemes. See ball. Get ball.
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I was going to include him too!
Jimmy McGinty: [stopping Danny before he runs on the field] Danny, I need the ball.
Daniel Bateman: You need the ball.
Jimmy McGinty: I need you to get me the ball.
Daniel Bateman: I’m going to get you the ball.
Jimmy McGinty: [starts shouting repeatedly to rev Danny up] Are you gonna get me the ball!
Daniel Bateman: [shouting back repeatedly] I wanna get you the ball!
[then runs on the field]
Jimmy McGinty: I hope he doesn’t kill someone.
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Hey jtot.
Kevin HD had some tweet saying “The defenders of this years recruiting class are head scratching. How is it anything but pathetic?”
I see little to no reason to disagree with this statement, but since you’re this blog’s most notable optimist, I say you take him on!
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody who is defending the class is head scratching
It isn’t good. We’re all aware. But let’s not act like this recruiting class is the fall of the Ottoman Empire here.
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I just want a nonsensical BLOGWAR.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry. I'll do better next time.
How about: This is all just a part of Joe’s scheme. He has shown that he can win with big time recruits, he’s won with no names, BUT he’s never won with an entire team of walk-ons. He’s going to field a team of nothing but guys he watches at open tryouts. That will be his final “eff you, flip the bird, season.” Just to show the world that he is JOEPA AND HE WILL DO AS HE PLEASES.
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General MacLoiniffe says "Nuts".
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
by DerryPharmer on Nov 24, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
This
I haven’t seen anyone “defending” this recruiting class. Nobody is saying we’re killing it in recruiting. I think the divide is that some people are saying this will be the downfall of the entire program for years to come. Others, like myself, are saying it doesn’t help, but I think PSU can absorb a poor recruiting class and still be okay if they do well in 2012.
sheeeeettttt
I’m just tryin to stay afloat, get my work work done, and get a few videos together for MikePa.
I haven’t even had a chance to organize my Douchebaggery Chronology of our opposing coach this weekend.
And I know you’re being jesty, but the labels exhaust me. In addition to it just wearing me out from the inside, I’m really scared of being mis-painted and never being credited with any objectivity. The landscape is just brutal right now. We’ll be lucky if we don’t end up on TWIS for all this shite.
And sorry for all that seriousness, cuz I know you’re playin, but I’m with jman & mike below regarding this class.
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
That second sentence interests me.
I was planning on going with real fact-based fanpost designed to shotgun that guy on Friday. Should I put it on hold?
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I owe Mike some stuff I need to finish tonight after the tots are to bed, was maybe thinking about rollin it in as a Nitt Picks, but could also give it a standalone. Wanna collab, and send me what you’ve got, I’ll tie em together and see where/if Mike would want it run? Or not, no pressure. Sounds like we’re thinking the same kinda thing, tho.
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
I haven't written anything.
One of my ideas was to list a timeline, using newspaper articles, of Chris L. Rucker’s time at Michigan State and perhaps Dantonio’s time at Michigan State. Filled with lots of quotes from Dantonio. Maybe Joe’s recent quote from Dantonio followed by a newspaper-esque statement designed to get me in touch with my inner douchey Dantonio side: “Why don’t you live up to his words, Mark?”
You’re a better writer, so I think I’ll let you handle this one.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, get outta my head!
You said ‘timeline’, newspaper articles, Chris Rucker.
Love the Joe quote idea!
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
There is a lot of green on that chart.
I really think Mauti’s return is the key to this game. I am praying that if he can’t go some of the other LB’s can do enough to contain the run. Or maybe Hodges has a breakout game and we can start to drool over him while he makes Navarro type plays.
I’m just really, really jacked up for this game. Say what you want, but winning twice as many games as you lose w/ an injury-riddled team that has 80 freshmen and sophomores is a major accomplishment.
Wait a minute...
I just realized Penn State doesn’t have 35 5-stars signed for next year’s class. Screw it, I’m going shopping instead of watching the game.
by Jared Slanina on Nov 24, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good man.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Hells yeah!!!
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
by DerryPharmer on Nov 24, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
My prayer at this Thanksgiving holiday is.....
that MarkyMark is cluching his chest and screaming for his digoxin by the time the 4th quarter is ticking away. Mind you, I’m not wishing death, just another stay at the Cardiac Care floor at your local Sparty Health Center. GO PSU!!!!!
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
I don't want that
just because it means that MSU is keeping it close. I want another 2008-esque beatdown
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 24, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
tWWL
Just read Rittenbergs predictions and I loved this..
“Penn State lacks the pass rush to truly rattle Cousins, who will attack the Lions secondary with receivers Mark Dell and B.J. Cunningham.”
Has he watched any of PSU’s games? The games that the team has been taken to the woodshed has been with strong running games that just pounded the ball down their throats. MSU potentially has one of those.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE SPARTY, Try to win the game with Cousins throwing the ball more than you running it. Sincerely, jman
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In fairness though
If he watched last week, our secondary looked pretty helpless against Tandon Doss.
It's a shame
I honestly think Doss at Indiana and Gray at Minnesota are the Big Ten’s best receivers. It’s a shame they play on such horrible teams.
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
McKnight is better than Gray.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
I feel like that’s a Posey / Sanzenbacher situation. One guy is clearly better, one guy is putting up better numbers.
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
You should listen to the BHGP podcast.
They interviewed a Minnesota fan (WhiteSpeedReceiver) who comments frequently…I have never heard so many sighs in my life.
The best sigh came when they asked him about a five star JUCO recruit who has caught less than passes in his Minnesota career. WSR sighed in despair and I think I heard him hitting his head against the mic.
Anyway, Minnesota football.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
less than 10 passes
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I know you really meant it as
…about a five star JUCO recruitwho has caught. “Less than” passes in his Minnesota career.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 24, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot to mention
Another sigh came when he said the JUCO recruit in question – who recruiting services claimed had 4.3 speed – got run down from behind by a Wisconsin defensive end.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
that is sigh-worthy
how does that even happen?
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 24, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but that's Tandon Doss.
He seems like a pretty good football player and accounted for 90% of their offense (I think there were one or two receptions each by that guy who is not Tandon Doss and that other guy who is not Tandon Doss). Does MSU have the equivalent of a Tandon Doss?
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No, they do not.
Their offensive players are all very good at what they do, but they don’t have a single explosive player like Doss.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know if that's better for us or worse,
but I hope that’s better for us!
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Our corners shut down their receivers last year.
I think they can repeat that.
The worry is the linebackers.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Mauti is better.
I like Stupar, but Mauti seems to be the real leader of the LB Corps.
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He is, fo sho
I’m not counting on him this week, tho.
I’ve still got optimistic crossed fingers for Hodges developing. All accounts indicate he’s the sickest athlete on our whole team.
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
I agree.
If he hadn’t gotten hurt in the Alabama game, I think hHodges would be the best LB by far. He had a great play on Saturday to break up a pass. I think he’s learning, but was just out of it for so long that he hasn’t had the time to develop properly.
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I think Mauti would still be our top LB (ignoring injuries)
but Hodges would probably be up there
by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 24, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
MSU's receivers
Cunningham and Dell are good, but they have absolutely no help. Think Moye and Brown while getting even less help from Brent, Zug, the RBs, whoever we found on the street to play TE this week, etc.
Directly to your question: nobody on that offense is as good as Doss.
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Has there been a game where the D hasn't looked hapless?
I guess I just meant in terms of relative ability. IU’s strength on offense is Chappell and his WR’s. MSU’s strength is it’s running game. If I had to pick one to make Sparty beat the defense with, I would gladly pick the passing game.
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Please don't confuse hapless with "painfully average"
Probably above average considering the schedule, but not by a lot. After what we’ve experienced from 2004-2009, that hurts, but hapless is Michigan, Minnesota, Indiana territory.
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True
I got into this discussion with a doomsdayer the other day. I should have not said hapless. Below our expectations. Which is pretty high I must say.
But if I had to choose what MSU would try to do against the D, it’d have Cousins and his sore shoulder and ankle throw the ball 35 times.
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I don't think this defense is above average considering anything.
They’re average. And, yes, for PSU fans, average is more along the lines of “YOU GUYS ALL SUCK! SCREW YOU!”
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Actually you may be right.
Statisically, they are slightly above average.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
The categories that matter most to me when measuring a defense overall
Are total D, scoring D, and first downs allowed per game. Red zone numbers, 3rd down numbers, and pass / run splits are meaningful, but they’re not meaningful all the time against everybody, and are very luck / schedule dependent.
In those 3 categories, PSU averages being #39.3, and has done it against a great schedule (#51 Sagarin SOS, but that doesn’t include the fact that the Alabama, Iowa, and OSU games were on the road, and it grossly underestimates Iowa’s actual goodness due to their newfound ability to blow games in the final 4 minutes). So PSU is in the top 1/3 of 1A against a well above average schedule. I guess that can either be called the high end of average or the low end of good, depending on the cutoff points of such things. It’s certainly a disappointment for PSU fans, but mainly because we’ve been spoiled with 6 years of “so long as we don’t turn over the ball and the offense scores at least once, we’ve got a good chance against anybody”-level defense. I thought such a defense would show up eventually, but it just never has.
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I'm convinced Rittenberg watches only one or two quarters of PSU football than Pat Forde does each season.
Though it was big of him to make the long trek east to cover Northwestern a couple of weeks ago.
by Frank O'Brien on Nov 24, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
My analysis of the 2 teams
MSU:
*beat Wisconsin
*didn’t have to play OSU
*or Alabama
*struggled with Illinois in the first half, but was able to pull it away about halfway through the third
*struggled with a crap ND team
*struggled against Northwestern
*blown out by Iowa
*struggled with a crap Purdue team
PSU
*blown out by Alabama
*blown out by Iowa
*blown out in second half against OSU
*struggled with a mid-range Temple team
*blown out by Illinois (but with a decimated defense, for what it is worth)
*similar performance as MSU against Northwestern
basically if the teams played each other’s schedules, MSU would probably have 1-2 more wins than PSU, but not looked much better.
Yes, MSU is the better team, but they’re not that much better. That’s not to say I think PSU is a good team this year, I just don’t think MSU is either.
Something good we may be missing.
Lost in all of the talk about our horrible offensive line, guess what? We have another game where, on paper, we should have reasonable time to throw.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Our offensive line has been looking better since the bye,
but with Klopacz down and Wiz back at Center, I’m not sure how they’re going to look against MSU. I honestly have not watched enough of Sparty this year to give me a good idea of their capabilities. But I’m positive my mojo will work.
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They don't sack the quarterback much.
Maybe they’ll consider blitzing, which could lead to everyone’s favorite play: MCGLOIN OVER THE TOP BOOYAH
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 24, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Overall equal
Other than the Illinois game, MSU and PSU were incredibly even overall against common opponents. No, PSU doesn’t have a win anywhere close to the level of Wisconsin, but PSU also doesn’t have a very narrow win against somebody on Purdue’s level.
Michigan State has been, overall, above-average-but-nothing-special against a poor schedule. Sometimes they’re better than that (Wisconsin), sometimes they’re nowhere close to being that good (Notre Dame, Purdue). PSU has been consistently above average but nothing special against a much better schedule.
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I'm willing to say our Temple and Illinois games combined equivalent to the suckfests against Purdue or ND
(though they obviously won both of theirs, so they still get the edge)
and yeah, their Wisky game trumps anything we got
MSU definitely has the edge, but I don’t see them as a dominating team. We shall see on Saturday.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 24, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Temple wasn't a suckfest
If completely dominating an 8 win team in every statistical category except points, pitching a shutout for the final 3 quarters, never trailing in the 4th quarter, and winning by more than one score is a suckfest, I’m happy to take a suckfest against every meh opponent PSU ever plays.
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I meant like an average of Temple and the Illinois game, if that makes sense
like if Illinois rated an 8 or 9 on the suckfest scale, and Temple rated a 4 or 5, while ND and Purdue were both like a 6 or 7 , then they average out to be pretty similar (though the Illinois suckfest pushes us over the edge)
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 24, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, I see this game as a win/win no matter what the outcome
We win: awesome way to end the season versus a probably overrated, but near top ten team none the less, and a nice set up for the bowl game before the long dark of the offseason
We lose: We don’t have to lug around that god forsaken POS trophy until the next time we play MSU (whenever the hell that is).
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