Matt Zanellato Commits to Penn State
by BSD on Nov 27, 2010 7:34 PM EST
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On Friday Penn State assistant coach Larry Johnson informed Virginia wide receiver Matt Zanellato that he would be receiving an official written offer when he came down to visit him this week. According to Lions 24/7, Zanellato called Larry Johnson this evening and gave his verbal commitment to Penn State.
Zanellato is a relatively unknown prospect with offers from only Delaware and Miami of Ohio. He saw next to no interest until his senior year. That is when he transferred to Lake Braddock High School to play in a spread offense that would better show off his skills. It appears to be a move that paid off as Zanellato had 76 catches for 1,444 yards and 17 TD this fall.
Zanellato stands 6'3" and weighs 190 lbs. He reportedly runs the 40 somewhere in the 4.5 range. He is the sixth verbal commitment for the class of 2011. And he comes at a position of need as the Nittany Lions lose Brett Brackett and Graham Zug to graduation this year, and Derek Moye is done after next year.
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Welcome Matt (see what I did there?)
I think yhis kid has a big upside. Maybe not next year but certainly after a year or two of conditioning.
Welcome.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
Anyone who wants to play for the Blue and White will receive a welcome!
Welcome to the family Matt!
Dark Knight feeling, die and be a hero-or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.-Jay-Z
Video
I watched the youtubes that was posted. Two thing impressed me:
1. He is a careful route runner.
2. He goes to the ball at its highest point on a clip or two.
Welcome to the family, Matt.
by Rocky Mountain Nittany Lion on Nov 27, 2010 7:45 PM EST reply actions
I was impressed
I mean I understand a highlight video will usually cherry-pick a player’s best moments, but there’s a lot to like here.
Recruiting ratings, like any ratings, are largely based on raw projection. A kid who is 6’2" 190 lbs, has a 44 inch vertical and runs a 4.3 40 is going to be rated with 4 or 5 stars. But I follow other rating systems, like baseball prospects and NFL Draft projections, and one things I’ve always noticed is how consistently undervalued FLOOR is when compared to CEILING.
This kid has nice size. This kid looks to have very good hands. This kid runs good routes. This kid has what looks to be pretty nice athleticism (YAC and winning jump balls). This kid is dedicated (transferred schools to play in a better system to improve his stock).
There’s very little risk with a recruit like this. I’d find it very surprising if Penn State’s coaching staff didn’t look at this kid and think he could fill a role very similar to Graham Zug, with a little more projectability. That’s a solid asset, and the type of guy you need to have to execute a very effective short to medium passing game.
Welcome Matt, and I look forward to using your name when I disparage College Recruiting “experts” in the future!
Delaware and Miami of Ohio.
That will help compete with Ohio State and Iowa.
Iowa? Do you really think Iowa recruits nothing but “elite” prospects? Everyone knows I follow Iowa and as such, I can tell you that this comment of yours is quite uninformed.
But I guess it was too hard for you to just say “Welcome to Penn State, Matt.”
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 27, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Well right now
Coaching and schemes aren’t beating Iowa so clearly we need more talent. And if you think the talent like this that’s wanted by 1AA schools is going to do it, let me talk to you about a bridge for sale in New York.
However you want to justify this poor recruiting and win-loss record against quality opponents since 2000 is fine with me…it’s just as you put it “uninformed”
I wish I could lower my expectations and put a man before a program…but I won’t. Joe always talks about success with honor – well right now I’m seeing neither. And there is nothing honorable about holding on to a job too long because it’s all you know and as he said “has the right to be selfish”
Alright dude
I’m really not in the mood. Penn State is mediocre. So is Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Notre Dame and Texas. Shit happens. Get the hell over it.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Nov 27, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Who are you to be telling me what the Penn State way is?
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Nov 27, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Get a life, Brd Brain.
Jeez – did you get picked on continually as a kid?
You must be a hoot at parties.
Brd: “Hey – this beer isn’t ice cold!”
Brd: “Hey – these pretzels taste like they’ve been opened more than 2 hours!”
Brd: “Anyone notice the stain on this carpet in the hallway?”
Dude, your only knowledge of Penn State is what you read from smarter guys here.
Dork.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Nov 28, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Well
At least you’ve admitted PSU is mediocre…and we can all laugh that ND hasn’t been relevant in ages….
You're mediocre.
There.
Good night.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 27, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
PERSONAL ATTACK!
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Nov 27, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Is it a personal attack if it's true?
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 27, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, I gave you a Rec...
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Nov 27, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Fantastic
Glad you’ve taken part of a great debate. I’ll look forward to future engagements where name calling and saying good night are the way to win.
Feel free to use things like the strawman argument in the future – that’s my favorite.
You're welcome!
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 27, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Some children are simply insufferable, RR.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Nov 28, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
We steamrolled Michigan
and I’m pretty sure over the past 5 years, they’ve pulled in more prep “stars” than we have.
Did you even watch the first half of the Ohio State game? Did you not see a team, clearly rebuilding, clearly on the verge of competing with the best in the country, stocked with the recruits you hate? Quarterbacked by a former walk-on?
Just keep on keeping it real, brah.
I saw
A team that didn’t adjust at the half and got out coached. I saw a QB throw 2 pick 6’s in the 2nd half…it was the worst performance I’ve seen since that waste of space Morelli.
You can't even compare McGloin to Morelli.
We never won a game because of Morelli, we always won in spite of Morelli. You can’t say that about McGloin.
by psuwxman on Nov 27, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
We got outplayed by a more veteran team in the 2nd half. They have the best D in the Big 10 and our youth and inexperience showed up. Are you even a PSU fan or just trolling?
Of course
Obviously history shows here that if you disagree with anything PSU your fandom is put into question.
I saw a defense switch up and PSU make no adjustments to it. I saw PSU go into a shell and play crawl ball hoping to milk a lead like they did in ‘05 at home except they couldn’t. I saw the same QB today come close to throwing 4 picks…..
But whatever, if I disagree with you and the rest of the Paterno fans I must be a troll.
There is more to Penn State than Paterno….putting a man before a program is bad.
I agree we didn't make adjustments ..
But we also thoroughly got outplayed, adjustments or not. And didn’t deserve to win. But I don’t get how people can be so down about the direction we’re headed. How can you not be excited about next year, with Bolden at QB(hopefully), Redd at RB, we have Moye back, Brown looked great at WR today and looks like he’ll be solid, our line was opening some huge holes for Royster today. Our D played it’s ass off and kept us in the game as long as they could. We’re really young, and yes we got our asses kicked this year a bunch of times, but I think that we’ll be better next year and have a real chance to compete.
Everyone is talking about how we aren’t getting recruits, ever think that it’s maybe because we had the No. 1 class in the conference last year and don’t need that many recruits. Also there might not be as many scholarships available as in previous years, because there aren’t as many seniors as there have been in the past. Also stars aren’t an indication of how good someone will be.
I'll agree with those positions
Moye, Brown and Redd all look freakishly good. They look like they are darn darn good…dare i say potentially great
This
Everyone is talking about how we aren’t getting recruits, ever think that it’s maybe because we had the No. 1 class in the conference last year and don’t need that many recruits. Also there might not be as many scholarships available as in previous years, because there aren’t as many seniors as there have been in the past.
This really needs to be tattooed on every PSU fan’s forehead who is freaking out.
Why should there be a correlation between the two...
that exists only at PSU?
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 28, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Having the #1 class in a conference should have nothing to do
with the following year’s class, especially in platoon positions like WR, OL, LB and DL. I can see missing a star QB or RB recruit due to a derth of talent at those positions.
As you look at the who’s who of recruiting class rankings, ever notice that it is pretty much the same schools?
In the past, PSU;s biggest problem with recruiting was overloading at certain positions and neglecting other, hence leaving big holes at certain positions years later.
People are down on the future of this program due to coaching uncertaintity and the forthcoming worst class in Paterno’s history
You shouldn't be down on this program.
Call me after next year. And then call me after 2012.
I hate to throw out wild prognostication like this, but I think we could get into the B10 championship next year and compete for the MNC in 2012. I really do. With the talent on this roster and the talent we will bring in.
but we have exactly the same questions going into next year that we had going into this year
Who is our QB?
WIll our line be any better than the turnstile, banana peel, etc?
Who will step up at LB?
and this new one:
Why is our defense so bad?
Bolden will be our QB, I don't think that's a question at this point.
It already is better than banana peel, et al.
LB, for 2011, will have Supar, Mauti, and Hodges involved, and don’t forget about Carson, Yancich, Royer, Hull… are we really worried about LBs?
And our defense really isn’t that bad.
My bigger concern is the D-line. That is the one area that could really kill us in the next 2 years.
If Bolden even had a *chance* I figure we would've seen him today
it appears the job is now McGloin’s… no “ORs” no competitions, no splitting time
John has a long moustache
I mean, I'm a pro-Bolden guy
I just think the coaches don’t think he can do it… I can’t think of a single reason we didn’t see him in the 3rd quarter
John has a long moustache
Because of what happened in the 4th quarter.
JoePa has never liked splitting QB reps, why split them in the last half of a game that appeared to be getting out of reach in the last game before you have a 1.5 month layoff?
Not saying I agree with the logic, but I think that’s what was going through his head.
Well I didn't really see a reason to not have Bolden start the half
and after 3 failed drives in the 2nd half, I REALLY didn’t see a reason… but whatever, if the coaches have decided Bolden’s that bad or McGloin’s that good, so be it… no point in arguing
John has a long moustache
I didn't see a reason not to, either, I agree with you
I think that Joe’s logic was more of “welp, might as well start what you finish” rather than “that Bolden kid stinks”
Nah
I think it will be an open competition between Bolden, McGloin, AND Jones.
Newsome is getting moved.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
It's too early for me to bet on a horse.
I haven’t seen Jones throw a single pass yet. But, if Bolden has a head on his shoulders and can learn how to read blitzes, work through progressions, and take a little off his throws when the situation calls for it, he should beat out at least McGloin.
I’ll give it to McGloin today. He did a good job of avoiding the rush while still looking downfield. He had some nifty, Roethlisberger-type moves in the pocket. He still made some boneheaded throws though.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
Hey, that Jones guy is good.
After one of McGloin’s incompletions, some old guy behind me demanded we burn Jones’s redshirt RIGHT THIS INSTANT.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 27, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
*sigh*
I don’t judge young Casual Fans because they just don’t know any better.
Old Casual Fans make me a sad panda :(
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
I think he has a point on the out-coached thing.
In the second quarter, I was saying to myself, “man, OSU is going to start jumping those outs, and it’s going to result in some INTs.”
If I’m seeing it, a D1-A coach should be seeing that.
Give me a kid any day...
Who works hard, moved schools to get better, loves Penn State and commits the day they offer.
Hard working kids with a bit of talent who want to play for Penn State is to me a good recruit any day of the week.
by Blokee on Nov 27, 2010 8:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Work ethic beats talents
but we should not be signing kids who can’t even get an offer from their state flagship schools…
Yeah man, we really screwed the pooch
when we signed that Daryll Clark bum. I mean, what a drop-off from the 5-Star Savior Morelli…
by psuwxman on Nov 27, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you're pointing out the exception, not the rule
While stars are a good indicator of success, the offer sheet is a very strong indicator of success on the field
Moye was 3 stars.
Royster was 3 stars.
Deon Butler was a former walk-on.
Josh Hull was a former walk-on.
Man, I’m pissed we missed out on Vidal Hazelton, let me tell you, what a superstar…
by psuwxman on Nov 27, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok
By that logic….Walk-ons/2*s since ’07
Drew Astorino 2 stars
Quinn Barham 2 stars
Ryan Breen 2 stars
Stephfon Green 2 stars
Joe Suhey 2 stars
Mike Farrell 2 stars
A.J. Price 2 stars
James Terry 2 stars
Brandon Ware 2 stars
2009
Mark Arcidiacono 2 stars
Curtis Drake 2 stars
Frank Figueroa 2 stars
Garry Gilliam 2 stars
Jordan Hill 2 stars
Christian Kuntz 2 stars
John Urschel 2 stars
Mike Wallace 2 stars
2010
Brad Bars 2 stars
OR
4*/5* since ’07
Chris Colasanti 4 stars
Andrew Dailey 4 stars
Chaz Powell 4 stars
Devon Still 4 stars
Nathan Stupar 4 stars
Nick Sukay 4 stars
J.B. Walton 4 stars
Stefen Wisniewski 4 stars
Brandon Beachum 4 stars
Michael Mauti 4 stars
Mike Yancich 4 stars
Mike Zordich 4 stars
Justin Brown 4 stars
Darrell Givens 4 stars
Gerald Hodges 4 stars
Derrick Thomas 4 stars
Kevin Newsome 4 stars
Glenn Carson 4 stars
Eric Shrive 4 stars
Kyle Baublitz 4 stars
Robert Bolden 4 stars
Miles Dieffenbach 4 stars
Khairi Fortt 4 stars
Mike Hull 4 stars
Paul Jones 4 stars
Alex Kenney 4 stars
Silas Redd 4 stars
Dakota Royer 4 stars
So which group looks more interesting to you…..the walk-ons or the players everyone in the country wanted.
by buk110 on Nov 27, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take Green, Suhey, and Drake
over a five star who wants the world handed to him any day of the week.
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Nov 27, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
who wouldn't
that is not what anyone is saying…
and it’s also easy to say this after the fact
That's exactly what you're saying when you say:
While stars are a good indicator of success, the offer sheet is a very strong indicator of success on the field
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Nov 27, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
no, you are ignoring the other half of the statement made
which was "who wants the world handed to him any day of the week:
How do we know this?
Are all 5 star kids like this? If so, please elaborate on how you have evaluated this?
/
see where I am going
your point?
stars and offer sheets are the best indicators of success on the field. It’s fact.
However, if you’d like to continue to point out the exception to the rule, be my guest
There's exceptions to every rule,
We can both go back and forth.
I’m not going to deny that there is some correlation, but there is no guarantee. Just like there is no guarantee that a 2-star kid will ride the bench his whole career.
Of course it is not a guarantee
but star rankings and the offer she are the best indicators of future success…
The correlation is there…
that being said, nothing is set in stone
I'll go with the offer sheet argument before I'll go with the stars
Royster at least had offers from programs like Oklahoma and Florida, and was only a 3-star recruit.
There must be a reason why we're offering the guys we're offering
The same guys that pulled in a great recruiting class last year, did not suddenly forget how to recruit this year, and one bad year of recruiting isn’t going to kill this team. The coaches haven’t given me any reason to doubt them yet.
Save BSD
7-5!!!!!
We went 7-5 this year!!! How can you not believe these coaches are incapable of getting to the next level?
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Nov 27, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Believe it.
Just ask:
Austin Scott
Joel Holler
Anthony Morelli
Chris Bell
Antonio Logan-El
Maurice Evans
…and a bunch of other four- and five-star kids that have committed to PSU in the last few years, who just underperformed (as opposed to flaming out or imploding like the above list).
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Nov 27, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Right
Heck lets ignore that 5-star Silas Redd and play some walk-on. Or not play Khari Fort….or Justin Brown….or Derrick Thomas…or Mauti….or Zordich….
So in this case I’ve given you some major examples where stars matter. Of course we could play some walk-ons if you’d prefer. Maybe we can find another Brandon Peretta
I'm not saying to ignore the 5 star kids
but I daresay we’ve got a pretty good record of taking these low-profile commits and getting the best out of them.
All I’m saying is relax. If you were a 5-star hotshot coming out of HS, would you want to be buried on the 2-deep until your senior year after the haul we got last year?
every kids situation is different
but I will always want the 5 star kids with offers from OSU, Texas, Bama, Florida, etc
You do realize a lot of kids buy their stars, right?
I’d say there are probably 20-30 exceptional athletes in a given year worthy of being ranked considerably higher than everyone else. Beyond that, though, and I can tell you this from personal interaction with…people…, everyone is basically at the same level. The difference between 5 and 4 is pretty big. The difference between 2 and 4 is negligible.
That’s why I don’t put much stock in stars. It’s a corrupt system built around making these recruiting services money rather than informing the public of how good a guy is or isn’t.
That’s why I’ll defer to the coaches. If they see something they think the can get out of the kid, then I’m all for it.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Nov 27, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Right
So now it’s all bull spit after we point out the comparison between the 2*s/walkons and the 4*/5* players..
Would you like to point out Deon Butler or Ethan Kilmer again?
I didn't to begin with
I’m just saying that the stars don’t do much for me. You could have a class of four stars play like twos and a class of twos play like fours just as easily. I don’t want a team of walk-ons, but I’m not going to get bent out of shape because we’re not nailing 19-year olds whos parents paid Rivals to pump there kids up with stars.
To me, it’s always been about coaching. Pitt has out-recruitied Oregon and Penn State in terms of the rankings and look where they are. Same with Illinois. At the end of the day, I just think these guys need another offseason to coach these kids and things will be OK.
I think you just put too much emphasis on recruiting.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Nov 27, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Can we at least say
That the offer sheets are important….
There is a reason certain players are offered by a ton of schools…people aren’t blind and all see the same thing.
More important than stars, yes.
But not more important than physical tools that the coaches like.
Like I said, there might be 20-30 kids in a class who are exceptional and can rely on ability alone at this level. The rest need coached, and I honestly believe this staff has proven it can coach kids into being pretty good football players with the proper amount of seasoning.
I’m not going to say that this staff is perfect. I have qualms about it and I’d be lying if I said I didn’t. That said, I think they’ve earned the right to not be questioned after every under-the-radar commit we get. If they see something in an unknown that they think they can coach into being a good player, I’d rather have that than a bunch of 3 and 4 stars being aimlessly plugged in and expected to succeed just because a recruiting service said they’re good.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Nov 27, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'll go one further
There are certain coaches that can take waivers on players and people should calm down.
Larry Johnson Sr gets a bit of wiggle room as of late with proven success getting players into the NFL. HOWEVER, there are certain players every coach wants for a good reason. That includes Joe going to visit Pryor
O of course
Like I said, there are players that you can see who are considerably more talented than the rest. But for every Terelle Pryor there’s a Silas Redd or Derrick Williams.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Nov 27, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Right
And once in a while you strike gold with a Deon Butler or a Norwood or a Ethan Kilmer.
But the law of averages tells me I’ll have more success with the 4*s and 5*s
Expecting us to build a team of 4 and 5s is unrealistic though
We get our fair share of talented kids. Every school does. The difference comes in what you get out of the kids further down. Penn State gets quite a bit more than a lot of schools. That’s why I don’t understand why adding this kid upsets you.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Nov 27, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
The defensive staff can coach kids
but the offensive staff? Particularly the line? Not so much
We don't recruit players who won't be good fits for the program
That’s why we have one of the highest graduation rates and have the most academic all americans. Joe wants good kids who are good athletes. Not just good athletes. USC recruits anyone as long as they can run and hit and lift. Look where that got them, 2 year bowl ban. I still remember watching USC players being interviewed before we played them in the Rose Bowl, after they left the steak dinner or whatever. The reporter asked them random questions, like what do you think of Joe Biden and some other stuff. You know how many of them knew? One or two, one being Sanchez. That’s it. I don’t care how many stars they have, I don’t want kids like that playing for PSU.
in case you want to see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWqbIh89qPw
Is that why we had 46 players with criminal issues earier this decade?
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3504915
sorry, I call bullshit
OK
So now PSU takes great members of society but only were tried under false pretenses because of an over-zealous district attorney that ignored the fact that his predecessor hasn’t been found?
I’m sure he made Tony drive drunk…..that’s right it was all that evil DA’s fault.
There's exceptions to everything.
How about Austin Scott? Or the fact that 90% of the charges in that brawl you mentioned were dropped? Sounds like a trigger-happy DA to me.
Austin Scott
OK, so Austin might be the exception. That doesn’t explain the other players…
I got in trouble while an undergrad at PSU.
All it takes is wrong place, wrong time. Show me a list of all the offenses, and I bet most of them are typical college behavior.
We don’t recruit players who won’t be good fits for the program
Were you a D1 athlete on scholarship knowing that in this media age you’re always under a microscope? Bit of a difference
No but I was a 18-22 year old kid at a huge party school.
Just like them. It doesn’t stop kids, hell it doesn’t stop CEOs from doing stupid stuff.
Right
But wouldn’t you argue…that as a high profile D1 athlete at a major program in a town where the students are loathed by the locals that you need to check yourself?
I want to say yes...
But honestly, if I was a football player, I’d probably think I was the shit and not care. To be quite honest with you. Especially if I was a good football player. And I know that is exactly how a lot of them think.
Did you think like that when you were 18?
I sure didn’t. I could’ve given a rats ass about what the townies thought about the students. It’s not something you learn instantly. Kids have to mature as they get older…
Save BSD
OK
So now they argument is that these players “aren’t Penn State Material” or are “thugs that dance on Erin Andrews”
Yet we seem to go after people that drive drunk….prank call senile men….do drugs while on probation…spit on women…shoot arrows…break into apartments and assault innocent bystander’s
OK…just so we are clear
I had a pretty eye-opening conversation with a talent scout this week
and I’m going to say I agree with this. I couldn’t believe what he was telling me.
You don't have to buy in
but the star ranking and the offer sheet is still the best way to determine future success on the field…ignore it at your own peril
I'm not saying ignore those things,
but you cannot take them as the end-all be-all. And you should not take them as such.
I agree, they are not the end all be all
but if you were looking at two players
Player A -5 star with offers from Texas, LSU, Florida, Arkansas, Oklahoma
Player B – 3 star with offers from Texas A&M, Kansas, Kentucky, North Texas, Tulsa
Who would you rather have?
The one who's coachable and willing to work
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Nov 27, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
and if that’s the 5-star kid with the better offer sheet, then yeah, I’ll take that one.
All else being equal, you’d go that direction. But they shouldn’t blindly be followed.
of course, not
If the 5 star kid has a rap sheet…stay away.
but you really don't know this?
so who would you rather have?
The one that the coaches have talked to...
…and have some inkling as to them being the right kid.
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Nov 27, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Based on just stars, you'd have to say 5.
But what about stats, also position. Size and weight. etc.
A
Because these are programs that compete and are in the top-25 quite often. They generally know what it takes to reload
Texas, LSU, Florida, Arkansas, Oklahoma
Are they under investigation? I know USC is in trouble….and Cam $$$$$ Newton/Auburn are in trouble but anyone else?
I didn't say all but there are a bunch.
Also, Texas had a worse year than us and so did Florida. No Tebow and Florida is meh.
That I'll agree with
Without Tebow they are and will be bad.
I really hope we play them in a bowl
And beat them. I know they aren’t as good, but it’s still Florida and it would be another big FU to the ZOMG SEC SPEED guys
Cool
Glad to have the kid.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
by 06Lion on Nov 27, 2010 9:00 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I wish we could close the thread now.
This is so stupid. Just so, so, very stupid. THIS ONE PLAYER PROVES WE CAN’T RECRUIT WITH IOWA. IOWA.
Oh, and a rec for you.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 27, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
why close the thread? Because you may disagree with some of the commentary?
Reading Rambler – The Fox News of BSD
No.
Because we’ve done this same thread one hundred thousand times and it goes nowhere.
You and that other negative three letter name guy are doing a heckuva job. What’s more delusional? Welcoming a single recruit (Out of an 85 man roster) to the program or acting like this is the end of the world?
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 27, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
where has anyone stated this is the end of the world?
however, I would argue that this is a microcosm of what is wrong with this class and PSU’s future
by brd119 on Nov 27, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, and you don't think you're reaching AT ALL.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 27, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Reaching on the recruiting class? Absolutely not
reaching on the future of PSU – maybe – there are too many variables I suppose
Agree mostly.
I don’t think anyone is denying that the recruiting class this year sucks so far. But the future does look bright, but it really all depends on a number of things, player development, can we call plays that make sense, do we learn to tackle, stuff like that.
When all else fails: argue semantics.
"Simon Gagne!! We've got a Game 7!"
Follow me..or don't..:@Ben_Jones88
OH MY GOD
MATT ZANELLATO HAS 2 STARS AND ONLY HAS OFFERS FROM 2 CRAP SCHOOLS. THIS KID SUCKS AND THE WHOLE PROGRAM IS IMPLODING. JOE IS OLD. PENN STATE FOOTBALL IS DOOMED FOREVER. I WISH WE WERE VIRGINIA TECH.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
by 06Lion on Nov 27, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let me guess since I have't read this thread yet.
We aren’t elite enough
"Simon Gagne!! We've got a Game 7!"
Follow me..or don't..:@Ben_Jones88
Let me check...
…
Um, hold on…
Just a second…
Yes.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 27, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Mediocre and proud of it, man
Damn that Kool Aid tastes good.
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Nov 27, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm preparing something fun for around the 2nd week in December which should take care of this stars nonsense
John has a long moustache
I'm so Pro-Bolden it isn't even funny
"Simon Gagne!! We've got a Game 7!"
Follow me..or don't..:@Ben_Jones88
I'm sure this won't be the last time it'll come up.lol
"Simon Gagne!! We've got a Game 7!"
Follow me..or don't..:@Ben_Jones88
Yeah
I’ve made up my own ranking system… the rules are on another post… I’ll go back and find it
John has a long moustache
Here it is
I’m going to start my own rating system.
It will be out of 10.4, using only integers 0-10, with the exception of a perfect score of 10.4. Former Penn State cornerback Kim Herring is the only person on my scale to earn the perfect 10.4, partially because he was the first Penn Stater I thought of, and also because I’ve always wanted to enlist him to cut down the mightest tree of the forest (Monty Python reference, just for kicks).
This rating system will be forever known as STARbitraries, since that’s pretty much what the star system is. It’s whatever I feel about a player, and no one else gets anyway, much like "Authentic Bunnies™."
If I ever get around to it, I’m going to take next year’s scholarship athletes and award them a STARbitrary score, after 4/5 years, we’ll dig back in the archives, and see who was closer.
John has a long moustache
This thread is pretty disgraceful
An 18 year old kid makes the biggest decision of his life. He makes his college choice and he’s pumped to be a Nittany Lion, and yet Penn State fans, the very people who will supposedly be cheering him on, basically trash him for it. And why? Because Rivals only gave him two stars. He only has offers from Delaware and Miami of Ohio.
Get a grip, people. It’s just a freakin’ game. Is it so hard to hope for the best sometimes and wish someone good luck?
by BSD on Nov 27, 2010 9:49 PM EST reply actions 19 recs
The agenda is to confirm their opinions that Penn State isn’t “elite” enough. They’re doing it through pretty pathetic means. Eventually, once you start saying the same negative things over and over, you get to this thread.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 27, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 27, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
and this is the comment that makes me glad
i didnt give up reading this post…Thank you
I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.
Thanks Mike
I read the post, and was excited to get another WR w/ the graduations we have coming up. Then I see where his other offers are from and I know EXACTLY what the comments are going to say. Certain posters are getting so predictable. And so boorish. It’s almost getting tiring reading this site.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
I was trying to not post on this thread, but since I broke my thread virginity anyway
WELCOME TO PENN STATE MATT!
John has a long moustache
Glad we goaded you out of your v-card.
How does it feel? Shameful? With a side of diminished self-worth? You dirty, dirty poster, you.
Me too.
It’s funny, SOA took both of our self-revealing picture virginities.
He just has that effect on some people, I suppose.
I meant TODAY
I forgot who the other guy was… we should all have a reunion or something
John has a long moustache
Are these Brett Farvre style pictures?
"Simon Gagne!! We've got a Game 7!"
Follow me..or don't..:@Ben_Jones88
Where on the doll did Rambler touch you?
"Simon Gagne!! We've got a Game 7!"
Follow me..or don't..:@Ben_Jones88
by Ben Jones on Nov 27, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm certain in the history of National Championship teams in Div 1 FBS
there has never been an instance of a 2 star scholarship recruit on the roster. It is a disgrace we have this kid, why would the coaches ever bother to offer him? Heck, I’m also pissed off at any 3 star recruit we take as well. 4 stars are a necessary evil, I know, but ideally I’d get rid of them, too.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 27, 2010 10:05 PM EST reply actions
That second picture always cracks me up
Sense: This makes none.
Save BSD
by Kyle_Martin on Nov 27, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
why are people not more outraged by the recruiting?
Recruiting is vital to fielding a good team. Another 2 star nobody? This is an outrage. People need to be fired for this
I wasn't kidding, if we're going to start somewhere, might as well start with her
John has a long moustache
You had an actual professor?
I had a horrible grad student.
Save BSD
by Kyle_Martin on Nov 27, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Mine was soooo stuffy
He took himself and the class WAY too seriously.
Save BSD
by Kyle_Martin on Nov 27, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I had the coolest English 30 professor ever
so cool, in fact, that he threatened to fail us immediately if we ever called him “professor.”
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
Sounds like a serial killer name.
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Nov 29, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we need to sign 5 star Hayo Carpenter types who barely play like you guys do at Minnesota.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 28, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
The review that mine has on www.ratemyprofessors.com
includes a rating that says “probably eats babies for breakfast”
John has a long moustache
Call to rational commenters for a possibly intriguing discussion:
I made a comment above that didn’t beat the crap out of a dead horse, and something that can maybe be talked about in a way that is what all the other discussions lack – that is, interesting to me.
I brought up what I think is an interesting and perhaps under-discussed idea in recruiting, and an idea that may go some way in explaining all this Battle of the Stars nonsense: Floor vs. Ceiling.
Basically, there’s always a discussion about whether you’d rather have:
1. A prospect with a high ceiling, but a low floor. That is, someone who has all the physical attributes of a freak athlete and IF he puts it all together could end up being an absolute monster, but there’s a definite chance that he could end up flaming out due to a lack in the important secondary skills like route running for a receiver, instincts for a linebacker, a “motor” for a DE, or work ethic for anyone, etc. This guy could be an All-American but could also be a complete disappointment and never find his groove. See Lavar Arrington, Derrick Williams, Chris Bell, Austin Scott
2. A prospect with a relatively low ceiling, but a high floor. That is, someone who is not being projected to ever be a superstar, but who, at the very worst will be someone who can help out the team. From the day they sign, you know the worst case scenario is that they’ll be a solid contributor on the field and definitely not be a weak point on the team as a whole. If all goes well, they’ll be above average (or great for rare outliers) and very consistent and reliable. See Paul Posluszny*, Graham Zug, Anthony Scirotto, Ollie Ogbu
- Paul is the outlier obviously, but he WAS only a 3 star guy out of HS.
I think there’s a LOT more just naked projection in college recruiting than, say, baseball or NFL draft coverage. However, that doesn’t mean that a lot of this isn’t built into the system. I’d guess that coaches that are good at recruiting in football are much like scouts in baseball – their internal prospect rankings might not look all that similar to a major media site’s published Top 100. This is because everyone has their own formula on how you weigh ceiling vs. floor. If you saw Posluszny in HS, you didn’t see a 4.5 40 time or incredible raw athleticism, but you saw someone who was going to quite simply tackle ballcarriers, no matter what level he was playing at.
The whole reason I bring this up is that IMHO, due to the stuff Zanellato showed in this video and judging by the fact that he transferred to a more college-style spread offense, I think he’s a very High Floor type guy. I also think that if he played in this offense last year and/or if his coach had a love affair with a recruiting guru, he’d be between 3 and 4 stars, but that’s not the point.
Does anyone want to discuss this idea, possibly in a constructive way?
by OctaShields on Nov 27, 2010 10:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think, like everything else, you need a mix.
To have a solid team you need the guys with the high floor, but you should take a “gamble” on at least a few guys with the high ceiling in order to really reach that next level.
I’ve thought about this with other things, as well, perhaps best demonstrated by Les Miles and LSU coaching style vs the Paterno coaching style. Sure, the Paterno style will get you a fairly consistent number of 9-10 win seasons, or you can go the Les Miles way, and “shoot the moon” every hand. You’ll have some epic defeats, but it seems like it also gives you enough “energy” (or whatever you want to call it) to get over the barrier to the undefeated MNC seasons.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 27, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Mix is the answer. If every class had 15 or so solid, dependable guys (AGAIN, this doesn’t correlate with any amount of stars, but just basically LIKELIHOOD of efficient use of skills/unlikelihood of complete failure) and 3 or 4 “lottery tickets”, it’d be perfect.
by OctaShields on Nov 27, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Any day
I’d take a team of guys with a high floor than a team of guys with a high ceiling. As a more real-life comparison, I’d prefer a team like a Stanford over a team like Florida. I want guys that are fundamentally sound. I want guys that can be taught and can listen to their coaches. I want guys that will study and get a degree. Guys with a high ceiling are great if you have a couple of them on the team. But if you have too many of that type as you’ve described them, you run the risk of having a bunch of cancers on the team.
Give me a group like ‘08 PSU. Yeah they lost to USC (a team that has personified high-ceiling, low-floor) that year in the Rose Bowl, but zoom out a bit and consider USC now versus PSU now. The head coach bolted because he’d been proven a glorified babysitter. The program is banned from the post season and lost scholarships. Our honor remains intact. Decades from now nobody will remember who won the 08 Rose Bowl. But they will remember USC is a bunch of dirty cheats and Penn State is a classy, honorable program.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
2 stars on Rivals, 5 stars in my heart.
Bleeding blue and white and black and gold.
by raimman on Nov 27, 2010 11:27 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
easy rec
the moment I saw 190 or so comments under the headline, I knew where it was headed
"Life is no way to treat an animal"
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 28, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
so this kid was born in 1993, my freshman-sophmore year at PSU
:-) or :-( or :-p or :-$ ????
"Life is no way to treat an animal"
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 28, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely best reply to this nonsense so far!!!
I may need to steal this one in the future.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
The attitudes of some people on this site are ridiculous lately.
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
Agreed
We’re having a mediocore year, but some people make it sound like we’re awful, as in Syracuse under GERG awful. We weren’t even that bad during the dark years.
Welcome to Penn State
I’m looking forward to you giving Buckeye and Wolverine secondaries nightmares.
If you want to rip recruiting
Rip the coaches. They’re men. They’re 84.
by speedomike on Nov 28, 2010 10:20 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Boom!
And a rec for you.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Nov 28, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
More than twice as old as necessary, by the way!
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Nov 28, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Look at the bright side.
This class should fill up pretty quick If we continue to recruit players nobody else wants.
I can't speak to the level of play at these camps and 7v7 tournaments
but he looks pretty good in this video.
Clean routes, some good quickness, great hands, knows how to use his body to get better position against a tight DB, nose for high-pointing the ball, and a good feel for the sideline. I think while this kid might not have the highest of ceilings, he’s got the highest floor you could hope for.
Welcome to Penn State!
The true fans of Nittany Nation wish you the best of luck.
I would love to welcome Z-Man to the PSU fold
I also have to make a comment about small minded supposed adults that have to come to a welcome aboard thread and bash a 17 or 18 yr old kid that they don’t know. I have never followed recruiting much other than my own for baseball. the recruiting services and the people that buy hook line and sinker into them are very creepy to me. Yes, I agree there are some fabulous athletes that get rated and if there is need and they are in our recruiting area, we should look at them. BUT, these services don’t see, rate or promote any athletes that do not join their service or go to their camps, in other words, give them money. This is a fact. There were even services that wanted money in 1978 that promised you some sort of scholarship possibilities. These star gazers somehow reason that some guy collecting money and running an expensive skills camp is a better evaluator of talent than coaches that have been around the game for years (even a tad successful, though not elite). And, even if they can somehow wrap around their brains that the coaches don’t recognize talent, they still have to come to websites that talk about players and belittle them. Negative opinions about teams, coaches whatever, fine you want to argue that and start a thread about poor recuriting, have at it. It is WRONG to bash someone’s kid in a thread that is started to welcome them to my alma mater. I am a PSU alum and I find it shameful that someone says they are a fan acts that way.
May no act of ours bring shame, belittling recruits is shameful. Period.
WE ARE
eff it, I'm going derp
by BMAN13 on Nov 28, 2010 3:58 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
the ONLY argument I somewhat agree with
is the list of offering schools. If all the big boys are offering, the kid is probably legit. On the other hand, though, if the kid is not in the typical recruiting pipeline of a school and/or didn’t start getting any headlines until their senior year, they may be off the radar. Not saying this kid is gonna necessarily be some sort of all star, bu the seems like a perfect candidate for the diamond in the rough, off the radar type of guy.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 28, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
what if a kid doesn’t camp? What if PSU is his only camp. PSU doesn’t allow the Scout/Rivals people at the camp. Abe Koroma was a two star who was ready to play when he walked on campus and he went to a very small school, Milton Hershey. He couldn’t afford to camp. He was just lucky he was in the local viewing area for the PSU coaches. His other option for D1 was Temple. Guys that don’t camp, don’t go to UA/RIvals/Scout/Nike camps do not get stars and a lot of times only have local offers. Its funny, because now someone posts a 40 yd time for him and he has never been tested, its just someone’s guess. Bet no one here could even tell the difference of a 4.5 kid and a 4.42 kid if they didn’t run next to each other and even then would be less than a stride difference at the finish. What amature scouts don’t realize is how fast 4.6 is, especially for a kid that doesn’t have track experience.
eff it, I'm going derp
I agree
the point I was making is that a kid is probably legit if he’s getting a lot of offers, but that you can’t necessarily say a kid is crap if he doesn’t have the offers, because a lot of factors go into that (exposure and location being key, just like you say)
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
+ a million
PENN STATE!
Gradulations Matt. Welcome to Penn State.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Easy Easy Rec
Some people just don’t understand what the whole recruiting process is really all about. If our coaches see something in a kid then you gotta trust them. As I said earlier in the thread give me a hard working kid who wants to play for Penn State any day of the week. By the sounds of it he’s a dedicated football player who works hard and has legit skill.
What is not to like?
brd may be right! We recruit garbage.
I mean, take these 3 guys for example:
Wiz – NEPOTISM I tell you, NEPOTISM!
Colasanti and Massaro. Bums! They are garbage.
If only these guys spent less time studying and more time thinking about football we would have won 20+ games this year.
Who cares about Academic All Americans, we need to win MNC’s. How else will we all achieve a sense of self worth?
400. That is all.
by letsgopsu on Nov 28, 2010 8:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
so, BSD gestapo
is this the thread that you banned buk and brd for? very lame.
there’s nothing that they posted that is inappropriate.
So what, y'all all know each other in real life
and conspire to come in here and act like jerks?
Save BSD
"act like jerks"
i guess that’s the kool-aid drinker translation of “voicing concerns about the problems of the PSU football program”
no. we don’t conspire. we’re all on various message boards and often share opinions. so you can put your tinfoil hat away.
There's nothing wrong with voice concerns about PSU,
but there is a time and place for it. THIS thread is not the place, which makes you and your buddies jerks.
Also, concerns seem more legitimate when they are counterbalanced by positivity some of the time. You and brd119 (and occasionally buk110) are the exact opposite of kool-aid drinkers. You NEVER see any good in the program and all you do is complain.
Save BSD
why is this not the place?
it’s about recruiting? are we not supposed to voice our opinions on recruiting in a thread about recruiting?
can you explain why this is not the time nor the place to express concerns about a very worrisome recruiting class…errr i mean “act like a jerk”?
or is this the proper thread to start calling people names like you’re in the 4th grade?
Wow! Snappy comeback, calling me a 4th grader.
This is a Welcome to Penn State thread. As others have already said before me, it’s rude to trash the kid on a thread welcoming him to our school.
Save BSD
nobody's trashing the kid
just the coaching staff and their poor recruiting job.
i don’t see any sort of “welcome” in the opening post. it looks more to me like an informative post.
never mind. this kid is going to be the next steve largent. the PSU coaches obviously know what the rest of college football doesn’t.
yet another bamboozle job…kudos joe paterno for pulling a fast one again.
watch out Ohio State!
And I hope the kid does turn out to be a star
but I bet if he is you won’t be on here saying, “I was wrong, the coaches were right.” Chances are you’ll be one of the first people instead bashing the kid in the next recruiting class who only has 2 stars and a short offer sheet saying, “kid’s like Deon Butler and Matt Zanellato are the exception, not the rule. The coaches have to get their act together, etc”
And by criticizing the coaches for offering this kid, you are indirectly trashing him, by implying he’s not worthy of a PSU scholarship.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
and I think that's one of the big differences
some people are welcoming all the new recruits hoping they’ll all make PSU proud, while others are immediately calling him a failure without watching him play a single snap in blue and white.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
somewhat agree
Their commentary on this thread was not really ban-worthy (except it is kinda dickish to talk negatively in a thread welcoming a new kid to the Penn State family). Unfortunately certain posters tend to rile up the masses more than others, and they tend to draw the ire, even if the actual problem lays more in the response to those posters than anything the posters actually do or say themselves.
For what it is worth, I think it is fair to critique the program for certain recruiting practices and failures, but perhaps these welcome threads (and similar other ones) shouldn’t be the place to do that, and maybe they should have some disclaimer added about limiting negative comments, and that transgressions will be perhaps enforced a bit harsher than on a normal thread.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 11:04 AM EST reply actions
this thread
is as good of a place as any to discuss the concerns about recruiting. I’m sure Zanelleto is a nice kid, good student, the whole bit, but this program needs to continue filling the team with more and more top talent if it expects to compete with ohio state in the same division every year.
Expressing those concerns is certainly not ban-worthy, especially considering that buk and brd get personally attacked and insulted by angry posters.
BSD should be ashamed.
Something about the siren threads seems different, though.
It is sorta like Christmas morning, and opening up the present to see what we got. Sure, you may be disappointed in the sweater and socks your grandma got you, but you also come across as kinda a dick if you complain about it.
The state of recruiting is discussed ad nauseum on this site, so my point was that when a post exists pretty much solely to welcome and celebrate the addition, perhaps the direction of the conversation can be a little more positive.
(at first I felt a little silly comparing the football program to the “niceties” of Christmas morning, but then I realized that they are both basically trivial experiences meant to pass the time and bond socially, and both are supported by a billion dollar industry. I mean it is a bit silly how worked up people can get over a game played by teenagers and young 20-somethings…or any game for that matter.)
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wonderful analogy
It is sorta like Christmas morning, and opening up the present to see what we got. Sure, you may be disappointed in the sweater and socks your grandma got you, but you also come across as kinda a dick if you complain about it.
+1
John has a long moustache
No YOU should be ashamed
You come in and complain about EVERYTHING. How miserable do you have to be where all you do is complain? We don’t all think that the program is the absolute best it can be, but many of us recognize the fact that we have a legend coaching our program that also graduates our players and keeps us away from NCAA sanctions. While doing this, he’s done something pretty mundane by winning 401 games over 44 years including 2 national championships and 24 bowl games. No big deal, happens all the time, the NCAA is FULL of coaches who can win games and hold his team to academic standards, just look at how well Vanderbilt, Northwestern and Notre Dame are doing.
Many of us have no problems admitting that we’re a little concerned with how recruiting is going this year, but you and your friends refuse to accept our concern unless we’re calling for a complete change and act like the sky is falling! Your constant negativity is something I hope I NEVER have when it comes to Penn State football, because then it will cease to be something enjoyable to me.
So forgive us if we’re a little too trusting of the current coach and his assistants.
Save BSD
by Kyle_Martin on Nov 29, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Football is a game.
Would it be nice if PSU won every MNC from now until the end of time?…sure. Is it the end of the world if they don’t?…not even close. There are more important things in life than whether PSU competes with OSU.
I say welcome Matt. You’ve made the right decision. Penn State is one of the best universities in the nation. State College will be your home for the next 4 years. Enjoy it and make the most of your time there.
I'm pumped, the Z Club is getting a new member
Welcome Matt! If you do follow recruiting, you would know that PSU has been on this kid for a long time. This is not a knee jerk reaction to offer Zanellato. I feel this is a true evaluation of his skills and work ethic to be offered by Penn State. I wish him all the best.
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