Who should replace Urban Meyer?
by SarcasmJam on Nov 28, 2010 8:42 AM EST
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PrintFor those keeping track, this elite program genius has guided his roster of 4 and 5 star (rumored to even have the elusive double secret pink unicorn 6 star) recruits to a craptastic 7-5 record. Worse than that, he just got his backside handed to him by a man named Jimbo ---- which happens to few people outside of a Tallahassee prison (current and former FSU athletes excluded of course).
Worse than that, it seems that even God has turned his back on him by allowing a QB named Christian to beat his beloved and most holy Gators. This man, who was once the soulmate of the actual creator of the universe (see Tim Tebow) has clearly let the game pass him by. He has lost the deft mastery of the X's and O's of college football that just a short year ago remained his and his alone to possess.
Oh and he can't recruit anymore. And he's just a figurehead coach anyway. And he's getting old.
So get on your knees and pray to the god you believe in (including Tebow if that's the way your ball bounces) - pray as hard as you can that Urban gets one last shot to save his job, his career, maybe even his immortal soul by facing and slaying his demons in a Jan 1 bowl game against Joe Paterno and the Nittany Lions. If he's able to do that, I foresee his eliteness will continue to be proclaimed to the ends of the internets.
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Who should replace Rich Rodriguez?
There are now six year olds in the state of Michigan who have never seen Michigan beat Ohio State. UNACCEPTABLE.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 28, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions
In all seriousness, I think the current state of Michigan should give caution to anyone who is eager to push Paterno out the door. The current situation at PSU is similar to that at Michigan at the end of Carr’s tenure – the Wolverines were winning, but not doing anything spectacular and were constantly losing to Ohio State. Even though Carr had won an MNC in his time, it was thought that new blood was needed. The idea was that since Michigan was a big name program, they could get any coach they wanted. Many thought Les Miles was a shoo-in to “return home”.
And it didn’t happen. Michigan had to go throw a number of candidates before getting Rich Rod. And he didn’t exactly exit gracefully from WVU. And then he came to Michigan and invigorated their program… and they got worse. Much worse. Despite being a hot shot new coach with fancy ideas.
It’s easy to assume that if Paterno left and his staff were gone that we’d be able to hire Harbaugh or Fitzgerald or Golden or whoever and that person would lead us to 11+ win seasons every year and we’d be competing for MNCs regularly. But these things don’t always work out as planned.
by Laaaaazzz on Nov 28, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
I have to assume that we'll make a better decision than Michigan did when they hired Rodriguez.
I know this sounds bizarre, but doesn’t it seem like every party involved would have been better off had Greg Schiano accepted the job?
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 28, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Plus, at the very least we're guaranteed to get Golden.
There’s no chance he’d turn down the job. Not one iota. So at the very worst, assuming an outside hire, we get Golden. Inside hire, worst case is hiring Scrap. Our options are just flat out better.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 28, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
But i think that’s a good example of the pitfalls. Schiano was a hot option for a few years for PSU and now no one seems to want him. He could have easily replicated the “success” that Rich Rod has had at Michigan.
I mean Rodriguez had great success at a program without a huge pedigree. At least he was winning championships (and BCS bowl games) at WVU. How does that compare to what Golden or Schiano have done? They could be flame outs at a major historical program as well.
Please note, I’m not predicting they would be good or bad, but it’s just tough to predict for sure. The grass may not be greener, as many programs replacing a legend have found out.
by Laaaaazzz on Nov 28, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's an important stylistic difference.
A large reason why Schiano hasn’t been “successful” the past year or two is because of the school he coaches at. Rutgers has virtually no football history to speak of, and Schiano still can’t recruit superstar players there because no one wants to go to Rutgers. He’s a perfectly average, acceptable game day coach.
Schiano fit the personnel and culture at Michigan. It was clear from the get-go that Rodriguez wasn’t a cultural fit at Michigan, and trying to overhaul the identity of a team who has run a pro style offense for their entire existence in modern day football is a disaster waiting to happen. Like Nebraska hiring Bill Callahan to turn their vaunted option attack into a spread offense, it was never really going to work, and even if it did, it would cost them years to get back to where they expected to be.
But yes, agree that it’s tough to predict. I see good things happening after Joe – how long after is obviously up for debate. But Joe’s still my guy. I just think we’re in a better position than most schools. Golden may not be overwhelmingly successful, but we won’t be reaching for a coach that “fits” with him. We know he fits because he went here.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 28, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
ORLY???
Rutgers has virtually no football history to speak of
*Notice the score on the jumbotron, :-)
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 28, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I know...
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 28, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
it never gets old.
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 28, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
even with the head start
Rutgers was never elite
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 28, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Rutgers was elite for one game in 1869
First college football game ever, Rutgers beat Princeton 6-4. Then they lose their elite status forever that same year when Princeton beats them 8-0.
An elite team
would have put up 12 points on Princeton. Coach couldn’t recruit enough 5 star players.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 30, 2010 5:20 AM EST up reply actions
So much applause right now
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 28, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I see good things happening after Joe – how long after is obviously up for debate. But Joe’s still my guy. I just think we’re in a better position than most schools.
I just don’t see how we are in any better position than Michigan was when Carr left. We can easily make a similar “mistake” or have similar results.
Don’t get me wrong: I think the basic problem was that Rich Rod was a bad hire. But it’s easy to note that with 20/20 hindsight. And it’s possible that Golden or Fitzgerald or whomever may look better on paper than they are in practice. I just don’t think it’s quite so certain that PSU will instantly improve once Paterno is replaced. I hope we are better and consistent and can regularly beat top teams, but I don’t think it’s as imminent as some posters out in the interwebs think.
I think his "better position" stance
is based solely on the fact that we have at least one guy on the list that is likely a sure thing to come if offered, and his system isn’t likely drastically different, so there won’t be as much turmoil. He could still be a flop, though.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yup.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 29, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I am actually very intrigued
To see the talent Golden could pull into PSU. If that guy can get decent players to come to a program that has no money and no history by selling academics and team football, color me impressed.
Its not just that.
but they are coached well. At least from what I remember in the PSU game. They did not shoot themselves in the foot much.
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 29, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I wish I could give this over 9000 recs
I always mention RichRod, Bill Callahan, and Rick Neuheisel anytime someone wants to replace Joe Paterno. I have a feeling that we’d get someone like that if Joe was forced out the door like Lloyd Carr was.
Nor for me.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
Tangetially, since we're talking about the state of Florida...
I was watching the horrible rainfest that was USC-ND, and they kept flashing on the screen that “Shannon has been fired at Miami.” What happened there?
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
What happened was they didn't immediately go 13-0 by his third year.
Those people won’t even be satisfied with that though. They want it to be the ’80s again – SWAG and all that.
And that means they’re going to hire Michael Irvin.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 28, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, expectations were really high there this year
and they collapsed. Hard. They lost to Virginia, for goodness sake.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 28, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad. Shannon was a classy guy.
I think their QB is overrated. Also, some guys just aren’t great head coaches…he’ll probably catch on as a coordinator somewhere.
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 28, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps they need Uncle Luke
to provide cocaine and prostitutes, the way he did in the 80s.
I mean, you can’t have the swagger back without the 2 Live Crew on the sidelines, right?
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 28, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
you had me at coke...
where to sign up?
;)
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 28, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, it was his 4th year and FSU is kicking the heck out of them in recruiting
And they had 25,000 people attend the final home game
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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I'm not sure what that proves.
They want a coach who will go 13-0 by his third year. They’re a spoiled fanbase. Not saying they shouldn’t have expected better from Shannon, but still.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 3, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Answering my own question:
From Fox sports: “Shannon took over for Larry Coker at the end of the 2006 season and went on a mission to change the culture at the school – which, in many respects, he did. Miami has been among the nation’s leaders in academic success by its football program, and the off-the-field reputation has been cleaned up considerably.”
Miami’s own Grand Experiment. But he hasn’t won enough games to keep his job. It’s just goes to show how difficult it is to actually graduate players and win games. I hope they don’t find another JJ and turn back in to Thug U.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
"it just goes to show how difficult it is to actually graduate players and win games"
which is the #1 reason I am not overly eager to see the Age After Retired Paterno (AARP) era. Penn State football is the only school I know of that is consistently a top athletic and academic school.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 28, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Come on.......
We’re losing the gist of this thread…..I say Michael Irvin to Florida since he “represents” felonies and Shannon can go to Mecheatagin to replace the jackwad DickRod.
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Urban Meyer
doesn’t look quite as good without Tim Tebow and Maurkice Pouncey, does he?
Joe Paterno Apologist
he also lost 4 games twice with Tebow.
I still dont understand the hype. Florida can get top recruits and has, no matter who their coach is the last 20 years. They currently have no identity. Meyer is another system guy that has trouble winning without his type of player which are few and far between. They would be where Auburn is this year if Newton had gone to school and wasn’t a petty theif while and had he not gotten caught…….
eff it, I'm going derp
And how are we doing without DC17?
Granted about the same as Florida and better than Texas. Don’t underestimate the impact of losing a reliable signal caller.
Otherwise, you can throw the same arguments at us this season and I think most here (aside from 2-5 guys that pop up during/after losses) agree that PSU can develop good college QBs.
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 28, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Charlie Weiss to Florida
Imagine the possibilities when the “offensive genius” gets all of those OMG speed 6 star players. The first 200 point game in college football history!
Plus Charlie gets to work on his tan in the Florida sunshine.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
by NJ lion on Nov 28, 2010 9:09 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
The red X was supposed to be OMG!SEC
Dang computers and all their buttons.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
That newfangled technology will get you every time.
Joe Paterno Apologist
except for that game between Georgia Tech and Cumberland
with the legendary Heisman as head coach (for GT), where they won 222-0
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 28, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Charlie working on his tan
Reminds me of Mr. Burns’ sun blocker.
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Nov 28, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Is there enough sunshine in Florida...
to tan all of Weiss? I don’t really want to think about it.
"I have my Joe Paterno autograph already, but I don’t know that I’d begrudge anybody else from getting theirs no matter their age. That’s kind of like meeting Winston Churchill." jesse. @ BSD
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by MainLion on Nov 29, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
If you LOL, you should Rec.
Just sayin’…
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by leeharvey418 on Nov 29, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Wait wait wait!
MainLion only had a joke b/c I get him/her the perfect set. I get no rec love?
Surely you can’t be serious. (RIP Leslie Nielson)
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Clearly Mack Brown should be hired to replace Urban Meyer
Which leaves the not so obvious choice of hiring Meyer to replace Mack Brown.
Will Muschamp will then be hired by USC, since Lane Kiffin will be bored by February and wander off to be hired by the Denver Broncos with the title of “Coach with no actual duties other than to piss off Al Davis”
It never gets to be easy.
Why the fuck doesn't it ever get to be easy?
Has Anyone Noticed?
Jim Tressel seems to be ageing very badly lately.
He looks gaunt, and tired.
He seems to have lost a lot of weight.
His hair is greying rapidly.
He probably won’t be around in four years.
You heard it here first.
Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!
by joefromboalsburg on Nov 30, 2010 1:32 PM EST reply actions
Hey, I just realized that John Dingell and (I think) Merle Haggard have been working longer than JoePa at same place. I’m sure about Dingell.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
What about Dave Barry?
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Dec 1, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
He's not even close.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
To Dingell? That's a shame...
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Dec 1, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
To anyone mentioned in this thread.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Dec 1, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Urban Meyer is just a figurehead anyway
He’s just a glorified mascot. Everyone knows that the real head coach is their defensive coordinator.
Meyer is actually a fraud
Mullen and Strong held that team up. Meyer was a great recruiter though.
This team will improve in '10... on its 16-16 conference record over the last 4 years.... after losing 20 games in the last 4 years... after having the 7th worst major-conference defense... after not even winning its own division in the ACC in the last 4.
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True
I used to believe in Meyer, and I’m still not sure he’s a total fraud (he lost a lot of players, including the most decorated college QB ever and played a rough schedule), but I’m increasingly sure it was Dan Mullen’s development of athletic QBs that was the key to his success. Tebow wasn’t the first Tebow; Josh Harris at Bowling Green and Alex Smith at Utah were every bit as special (not as talented, but they had that “it” factor, whatever “it” is). Also, Chris Leak only got better as the year went in the one year he spent working with Mullen. Combine that with Mississippi State’s out-of-nowhere surgence (it’s not a resurgence unless it’s happened before), and maybe Mullen was the brains of the operation all along.
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
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by PennStateBasketball on Dec 8, 2010 2:19 PM EST reply actions
So bizarre.
Not really.
Meyer is pulling a Favre. Again. Wonder if he’ll ask to be traded to the Georgia Bulldogs, have to take a Big East job, and then go to UGA…
Wisconsin, Big Ten Champions for the first time since 1999...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 8, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
So...what the heck, Jim? Got an answer for us?
:)
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
Who should replace Urban Meyer?
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My first prophesy
…….I’m so proud.
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by SarcasmJam on Dec 8, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
SarcasmJam for Nostradamus of the year.
Wisconsin, Big Ten Champions for the first time since 1999...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 8, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Sarcastradamus!
Snide predictions since 2010!!
Show me an elitist, and I'll show you a loser.
Tom Clancy
by BMAN13 on Dec 9, 2010 6:49 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I've got to check myself...
I was bound to get at least one right in a 116-part series.
Although, I would change my name to Sarcastradamus in a heartbeat if I could figure out how.
"When I was single? I chased the girls."
Done.
Great idea – thanks.
And thanks for the sig BMAN!
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