Offense Grades Against Michigan State Spartans
While this loss doesn't sting nearly as much as the Illinois loss, it still hurts. Many of us thought Penn State had a chance to pull the upset. Everything was in place. It was senior day. A chance to ruin Sparty's season. We don't like Mike Dantonio and his timeouts. Despite coming on strong late (thanks to team MVP Derek Moye), the game was already decided.
The 2010 season is something we will reflect on in the coming weeks. We will have the entire off-season to rage on about who the 2011 QB should be. Currently only two houses are on that block, but i'm sure some upstart blogger will try to force the "Paul Jones for QB" campaign on us soon enough (not to be confused with the "I know someone, who knows someone, who walked past someone, that knows JoePa is going to retire after the Bowl Game" fodder).
Quarterback
Matt McGloin has some very deceiving numbers. If you didn't watch the game on Saturday and picked up the sports section on Sunday and read 23-43, 312 yards, 2 TDS, 1 INT - you might assume McGloin had a great game in a PSU win. Despite becoming the only QB in PSU history to throw for 300+ yards in back to back games, McGloin did not have his best day in Blue and White.
The blame can't be placed on his shoulders alone. He was a victim of some self induced bad throws/timing (opening drive delay of game), untimely drops (Brett Brackett), consistent penalties (Quinn Barham), weather (wind, but Cousins didn't seem to have a problem exploiting the black hole that was the middle of the PSU defense), and solid defensive plays (Johnny Adams). In any event, the Nittany Lion pass game locked out of wack for three quarters before finally turning it on in the fourth. McGloin made a throw to Devon Smith in the first quarter that i'm not sure any other QB currently on the active roster would have been able to make. It took touch, accuracy, and timing: things McGloin has surprisingly improved on since the Spring, to the Minnesota game, till now.
The Twitterverse was loudly calling for Rob Bolden to get into the game when the offense was struggling. Wisely, Joe Paterno and company decided to stick with McGloin. At this point in the season, it wouldn't have made any sense to insert Bolden for a few plays here and there. No longer is he the number one cheerleader on the sideline. When the camera pans to the PSU sideline, he is seen looking visibly "checked out" and not excited. However, I do think Bolden should get some reps during the bowl game, especially if there is any chance the coaching staff is going to re-open the starting competition in the Spring (ala Daryll Clark in the Alamo Bowl a few years back).
Final Grade: C
Running Backs
Evan Royster capped his senior day with 85 yards on 14 carries and one very tough TD run. The opening series provided some hope that Penn State would be able to run on the MSU defense, but getting down early forced Penn State to abandon any consistent running attack and forced McGloin to make plays (21 runs to 43 pass plays). For the season, Royster is 84 yards shy of his third consecutive 1,000 yard season (916 yards). While Evan hasn't had the type of season he had hoped for, it has been a pleasure watching him for the past four season. The debate of his place in the Penn State pantheon will be discussed in the coming weeks, but hopefully Royster will be to carve up an SEC defense the way Tony Hunt did on his way out the door.
The more we see Silas Redd, the more reasons we have to think he is going to be a special player. If Penn State won the game, Redd's six yard run would be playing on a highlight reel. He has moves we haven't seen from a starting RB in quite some time. Redd finished the day with 7 yards on 3 carries, but again, Penn State need to air it out to have a chance of coming back.
Final Grade: B-
Wide Receivers/Tight Ends
Justin Brown led the way for the Nittany Lions with 106 yards on six catches, but it was Derek Moye that once again stole the show.
Moye finished with only 65 yards on 5 catches, but it was a TD catch that was ruled incomplete that will have fans licking their lips for 2011. Moye also had one of the best hustle plays of the year, for any team. Following a McGloin INT in the end zone, the MSU defender decided to try and make a big play (instead of taking a knee and ending the ball game) and ran the ball outside of the end zone, where Moye stripped him and recovered the fumble which set up Moye's four yard TD catch. For the season Moye has 806 yards and 7 TDs (16.8 yards per catch). McGloin's (or Bolden, or Jones) WRs next year should be a strength for the Nittany Lions. With Zug (5-55) and Bracket (2-23, and one brutal drive killing drop) graduating, the Nits will turn to Moye, Brown, Devon Smith (2-26), the returning Curtis Drake (how soon we forget), Shawney Kersey, and potentially State College speedster Alex Kenney. Throw in a receiving FB like Joey Shuey (1-25, TD) and the future is bright...
Kevin Haplea (1-14) made an appearance and disproved any notions that Penn State didn't have any TEs.
Final Grade: B
Offense Line
Quinn Barham picked a bad time to have his worst day of his career. His false starts and holding penalty really put Penn State in a hole.
Early in the game, the O-Line did a nice job of opening up holes for Royster and getting into the second level. But with Penn State trailing most of the game, the play calls shifted to passes and the did a decent job in pass protection (like they have all season). McGloin was sacked once, but Sparty wasn't able to get too much pressure on Mac.
Congratulations to Stefen Wisniewski for becoming the first 3-time Academic All-American in Penn State and NCAA history. Wisniewski is the poster boy for JoePa's Grand Experiment and will likely be an NFL prospect. Wisniewski took success with honor literally, and we should all be very proud.
Final Grade: B-
Offensive Coaching
Once again, the coaches put the players in a position to succeed, but the execution, especially mentally, just wasn't there. The penalties came at bad times, and Penn State had to abandon the run game early. It wouldn't be the 2010 season unless we had a had scratching play call, and the MSU game was no different. On 3rd and 1 of the opening drive of the second half in Michigan State territory, Penn State elected to do a hybrid reverse to Smith that lost 9 yards. At the time, Penn State was already down 14-3. They needed points on the drive. To call that play, in that situation was questionable. Of course, if it worked, everyone would say they were geniuses - but it didn't, so public opinion starts getting throw around.
Final Grade: B
It looks like we are going to be in for another exciting off-season. From now until August 1, 2011, speculation regarding JoePa retiring will dominate the blogs and MSM. The irony of the situation; who would have guessed Joe would still be at the helm and the Stache is potentially on his way out in Pittsburgh?
We'll get to see anther QB derby, a GOAT RB debate (Royster vs. Curt Warner, Lenny Moore (my choice), and company), and the recruiting "down year" according to people that know little about anything.
It should be fun. Till the bowl game...
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To call that play, in that situation wasquestionableinexcusable.
That playcall haunted my dreams that night.
Also the delay of game on the first drive… I believe was a hack job by the coaches. Redd had just given us an electrifying 5 yard scamper he made out of nothing, and the coaches took all day to get the play call and substitutions in. Substitutions that included pulling Redd, who was now on a roll. Then a delay of game. Then it appeared we lined up and ran the same play anyway which got nowhere b/c the defense just had a good long preview leading up to the penalty… That killed that drive, and those 4 points we lost could have been the difference in the game.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
It was a bad sequence.
But this game is on Still and his (1) idiotic hands to the face and (2) running into the kicker.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 29, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
My thought on the 3rd and 1
Was that the coaches just didn’t want the first down, they wanted big yardage and figured if it got stuffed at the line they’d go for it on 4th. I don’t disagree they could have taken the conservative rout there…but a part of me likes being unpredictable and aggressive
by stewsplace on Nov 29, 2010 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
reverses don't seem like a play that gets stuffed at the line much
they seem like high risk, high reward type plays.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
They can be big reward big risk, but I wouldn’t have expected a 9yd loss. When we’ve run that play in the past, I remember at least getting back to the line…
by stewsplace on Nov 29, 2010 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pitt doesn't have the money to buy out Wanny even if they wanted to.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 29, 2010 10:27 AM EST reply actions
Is that enough to finally convince Pitt
that a 2 for 1 plus other incentives (a deal PSU has put on the table in recent years) would be good for them?
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
Bah. Offensive Coaching = C-
Outside of the first drive and the last quarter, the offensive coaching performance was abysmal. Even on the first drive, I was completely baffled.
Royster was literally getting 10 yards a pop. So we decide to take him out and put in Redd. Fine, maybe Royster needs a rest. Then two plays later, Stephfon Green makes an appearance. Meanwhile, our starting tailback who was running past guys during the drive is STANDING ON THE SIDELINES.
Redd’s going to be an amazing player with highlight reel runs. But for the love of God, ride the hot hand. Royster should’ve run 30 times on Saturday. The game didn’t get out of hand until late in the 3rd quarter, so why didn’t we follow that blueprint?
I can’t even talk about the Smith misdirection play without getting angry. That’s was ridiculous. He’s 5 foot 6! He weighs 150 pounds! We have a 215 pound tailback getting big chunks of yardage, a 200 pound backup who jukes people out of their shoes, and on 3rd and 1 we give it to a wide receiver/kick returner?
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
Oh, plus it was awful, awful weather.
I love McGloin, but why are we throwing 43 times? 18 of those in the 4th quarter means he still three 25 times in the first 3 quarters when we should have been running the ball.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 29, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Because the coaches thought they needed points and didn't think they could run the ball well *consistently*.
I didn’t think the defense was playing too horribly, but aside from a few calls here and there, I’m not too upset about the coaching. The execution wasn’t there, especially on the part of McGloin’s Traitorous Accuracy (I don’t think Brackett’s drop was all his fault).
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't get a great view of the Brackett deep ball from my seat.
Looked like it was a bit out of his reach, but he did get his hands on it. Gotta make a play for your QB there.
Knowing the execution wasn’t there is half the reason why we should’ve run the ball. Preconceived notions by the coaches are one thing, but we were obviously capable of running the ball because we had done so. McGloin looked like he was forcing some things and I truly believe the wind affected his accuracy, especially on the deep ball. I thought we were taking too many shots downfield, particularly before the game had gotten out of our comfort zone.
In the end, I think we needed to be more balanced. I got the feeling that Galen thought we could sling it on them all day. Maybe that’s the case if it’s not 30 degrees and windy, but it was and it caused us some problems.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 29, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Instant replay
Showed that the ball was out of reach. Close, but not close enough. And nice jab at McGloin’s accuracy, Rambler. Do you want to follow that up with another “This is Rob Bolden’s team?”
Cousins missed some easy throws as well…so the weather was a big influence on the day. And I agree Adam…Royster was carving it up when all of a sudden the play calls turned away from what was working. I don’t think play calling was bad, overall, but you’re right, youve got to go with the hot hand, while it’s hot. And I think the penalties did more damage than McGloins missed throws. It’s hard to win a big game with that many penalties
by stewsplace on Nov 29, 2010 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gee wiz.
Are opinions allowed to change based on evidence?
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Or, um, presumption of evidence?
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
False. You're only a man if you stick to your guns
in the face of overwhelming evidence contrary to your view.
That’ll show ’em!
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 29, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
U seem a little more arrogant
than most on here…so I was just poking the bear. All in good fun, of course
by stewsplace on Nov 29, 2010 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Although
I have been told not to read “tone” in emails, so maybe ur sometimes “dismissive/arrogant” posts are actually something entirely different
by stewsplace on Nov 29, 2010 12:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve said before that around half of my comments are only half-serious.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
/Bilbo'd?
I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
I think you're spot on re: Royster
It looked like the offense found some success running Royster up the middle and I feel like we abandoned the run way too early.
Excepting the absurd reverse and pitch play to Smith,
the play calling from the staff was working. The dropped passes, missed passes, and stupid penalties all added up to too many punts. The calls were effective, the execution was horrid.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 29, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
That call alone should put them at a C grade though
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
We wouldn't even be talking about it if
the team executed and we won.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 29, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I'd still have to bring it up
As this is one of many times we’ve called that play at the completely wrong point in the game. However, I agree with you about the execution part.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
I totally agree with this.
Royster had 85 on 14, which is better than 6 a carry. How do you not get him 20+ carries? The score was not so out of hand for most of the game that the coaches should have abandoned the run. Also, I’m pretty sure that Royster was having most of his 1st quarter success running to the right side, but most of the runs in the second quarter went left. Maybe MSU made an adjustment, but it’s still a head scratcher.
I can't believe I only have 4 hours to tailgate. Somehow this is Lee Corso's fault.
by Illegal Formation on Nov 29, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
"Moye also had one of the best hustle plays of the year, for any team."
Which Moye hustle play was better? The one in the MSU game to strip the ball back, or the one in the Alabama game to strip the ball back after that -90 yard fumble play.
I think his MSU hustle play was better, if only because it was truly a do or die situation, whereas there was still time in the Bama game. Both were epic, though.
Can we start calling Moye “Derek Hustle” or just “Hustle”?
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 10:28 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
+1 for Derek Hustle.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 29, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
We need moye hustle on this team.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I assume you are talking about the int in the end zone that he stripped
he also had a reception that started as an interception, but he stole it back
400. That is all.
That picture of Moye is amazing!
He somehow manages to catch that ball w/ outstretched arms and a defender wrapped around him and still get a toe in bounds. More Moye please.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
if only he could have kept both hands on the ball through the entire sequence.
the way he was holding the ball as he hit the ground just made it near impossible to keep from bobbling it. Not saying he did anything wrong, just that it would have been amazing if he actually brought it in (of course, if he DID get that TD, then we wouldn’t have been able to see his Derek Hustle play on the INT)
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I looked back at the play on the DVR and I didn’t see a bobble.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
It happened when he was on the ground, the ball fell out of his hand for a split second.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 29, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
yup, he was holding the ball upside down with just his left hand
as he hits the ground it falls out of the hand, and he cradles it with his right hand. Not something they likely would have seen if they didn’t replay, so perhaps if they initially called him in bounds, the play might not have been challenged, and the TD would have stood.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Indeed
On the broadcast they said the referees were ready to award the TD and that he did get that toe down with possession, but he’s got to maintain control of the ball as he goes to the ground, which he didn’t do.
"He's a beast. But so am I. So let the beasting begin."
I didn't understand that.
I know “finishing a catch” a thing in the NFL this year, but since when is it a thing in college?
I can't believe I only have 4 hours to tailgate. Somehow this is Lee Corso's fault.
by Illegal Formation on Nov 29, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I hate the whole "finishing a catch" thing with out of bounds plays
unless you actually LOSE possession of the ball, it seems like it should still count.
Why is it that if you don’t have possession of the ball in bounds, but gain it out of bounds that what happened out of bounds doesn’t matter, but if you DO have possession in bounds and subsequently lose it out of bounds, all of a sudden what happens out of bounds matters?
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
not to mention that he never actually LOST the ball
just for a brief second as he was landing, and already out of bounds, did he bobble it slightly.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure I followed that
But if I’m remembering correctly, the ball did hit the ground when he was out of bounds. So he makes the catch, gets the toe down, goes to the ground, is trying to hold the ball up in one hand (left?) and I think he just drops it there. The ball hit the ground I believe. Again, not certain.
"He's a beast. But so am I. So let the beasting begin."
yeah, just rewatched on espn3.com
and he does drop the ball at the very end and it touches the ground. I thought he had it in his right hand before it hit the ground, but nope. Still, even if the ball didn’t touch the ground, they can and have still called passes incomplete if they bobble it at all.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Derek Moye is the most underrated player in the big ten.
Maybe in the country, i dont see enough non big ten games to guess.
Sidenote: could you imagine if Marcus Lattimore ended up committing here? Him and Redd for 4 years? Damn.
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"Let's go. We are Penn State. We are not normal, we are legends. People will tell their kids about us. We are not normal, we are Penn State. They don't have the tradition to hold our nuts. And they gonna flick us off on the way here? They gonna flick us off? F*** Me? No.... F**** You! Let's go."
by Roland86 on Nov 29, 2010 10:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Gene Chizik visited Lattimore in-home on January 28.
Steve Spurrier visited January 30.
Penn State sent Bill Kenney.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 29, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Spider should have sent the drinks
"Personal Attack"- R. Aceto
by Bob Sacamano on Nov 29, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
One righteous hypocritical douchebag, one proud douchebag, and some guy.
Well done, Lattimore and Penn State.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Oh well if Chizik went.
Seriously, if you’re trying to make a point there, don’t start off with Chizik.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 29, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
You're right, he probably should've sent Jeff Grimes to Lattimore's house.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 29, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
If you're going to make a negative correlation about who went and where he didn't commit,
you at least have to give Chizik the same amount of disrespect as Kenney.
They probably would have been better off if they sent Grimes. At least he’s not Chizik.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 29, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
They probably would have been better off sending a cardboard cutout of Bo Jackson.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I am around 99% convinced that Chizik is at least as much a figurehead as Joe if not moreso.
I’m thinking the difference is that Chizik does more recruiting visits, but Joe does more game plan stuff.
I’ve also seriously pondered the notion that – if they’re as corrupt as they may turn out to be – Auburn and their bossters fired Tubs and hired some guy who sucked at Iowa State because they thought he’d be easier to manage.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Chizik is a puppet that the Auburn BoT's manipulates.
It doesn’t hurt that he has the best college player under center, regardless of all the uncertainty about his eligibility.
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 29, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
well, presumably the best college player
still waiting to find out if he’s actually eligible. Yeah yeah, innocent until proven guilty.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
this
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 29, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
And maybe Auburn's "briefcase" account was running a little low
after the meeting with Cecil.
I kid, I kid.
Actually, I don’t.
but recruiting is A-OK
and this “down year” won’t hurt PSU one bit in the future
Recruiting
Towny you seem to worry about recruiting way too much. It’s about developing the kids once they come on campus, not how many stars a pay for play website gives them.
Since Penn State doesn’t over-recruit and give out 30 scholarships when they only have 15, sometimes you are giong to have a small class and fill in areas of need.
Joe
@QBsneak12
Agree with the McGloin comments
I was at the game and there were many times he was either throwing the ball too late or not going through his reads to find the open man. And he looked kindof out of it for the first 3 quarters, unlike the normal swagger you see from him.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
nice job looking off his WRs to find Suhey though
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 29, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Great playcall there.
Set up from an entire year’s worth of screens. Every time Suhey caught a pass, it was a screen or a quick pass in the flat. Running a wheel route left him wiiiiiiiiiiiide open.
Credit McGloin for checking off and finding Suhey downfield.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 29, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
McGloin/Offense, or the Defense?
I was at the game, and afterward couldn’t commit myself to what I thought was the major issue that caused the loss. (I know, team game, team loss) And the above comment I definitely agree with, Mac didn’t have his usual swagger continuously, but he did have some great moments, especially late. The defense did hold the score to 14-3 at half, but they also could not come up with the big stop when needed. And as stated above, what was that reverse on 3rd and 2 from the staff?
So, here’s my query, in your mind what stood out the most to you, the knowledgeable PSU fan, Mac/offense a little out of sync, or the defensive struggles?
by wek5000lion09 on Nov 29, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
When the offense played with some urgency, it went well.
Overall, I thought the offensive performance was adequate, though I think several key situations ruined it for us.
The defensive struggles are painful to watch. They couldn’t get MSU off the field when it counted and gave up big plays when we just needed a stop. Most frustrating – stupid mistakes. Two out-of-bounds/late hit calls, plus a stupid roughing the passer and an even dumber running into the kicker call. Those really killed us.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 29, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
penalties really hurt us
we could have been much closer if not for some dumb mistakes.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
Personally
the offense looking just out of sync stood out more than the D. Basically, as soon as I saw Mauti wasn’t in, I didn’t expect much from them, and really they played pretty well in the 1st half. The offense just didn’t seem to click after that 1st drive, like they zoned out after they only got 3 instead of 7.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
Not a good sign
When we can’t agree who looked more lost out there for the majority of the game. I personally am leaning towards the defense struggling more.
well
I assumed the D would struggle, and for as well as MSU moved the ball at times, only being up 14-3 by half was surprising to me. If our offense had performed better in big situations, the score could be 14-10 or even 14-14 at that point. And it seemed that the offense was always just a few inches away from getting there, which was much more frustrating.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
"However, I do think McGloin should get some reps during the bowl game"
Did you mean Bolden?
Think he meant Newsome, due to the DC reference
by wek5000lion09 on Nov 29, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
From my seat in EJU
(my 9 year old son and I finally made it back to Beaver Stadium – yay!) it looked like a lot of McGloin’s passes lacked touch – situations where he had way too much mustard on the pass, where a bit of loft would have allowed the receiver to use his speed to get to the ball. I guess I had seen it earlier in the year, too – it just seem much more pronounced in person. He can work on that, though – practice will help. Still love the swagger. Disappointed to see Bolden sort of having checked out, though.
Bolden "checking out"...
is that for real?
I mean, at least on TV, I see a guy on the sideline with his helmet on and wearing a headset when need be.
If that is at all true, then maybe he is not the calm, poised kid we thought he was. I don’t buy it.
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
I could see our sidelines from my seat and all I noticed from Bolden was him standing around and getting the occasional call from upstairs. Basically he was like everyone else on the sidelines, including McGloin.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I thought the same...
I really thing the OP is making a fuss about nothing.
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 29, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
The problem is that he's wearing a helmet
And a gigantic coat. You can’t see his face and he is sitting down, so some people think right away that he looks disinterested.
Too lazy to look it up,
so does anyone know if this was the most penalties committed by us this year?
It definitely felt that way by halftime — even more so by the end of the game.
Losing a game is heartbreaking. Losing your sense of excellence or worth is a tragedy. -JVP
I dunno
But I had a very satisfying moment on twitter during the game. After about the 6th penalty on the day I said this was very uncharacteristic for PSU to commit so many penalties. A certain well known loudmouth PSU beat writer told me this team was undisciplined all year and I should “shut my mouth”.
So I tweeted back that PSU led the nation in fewest penalty yards going into the game and he should “look it up.”
About 15 mins later I got a mea culpa from him saying “I never would have thought it, but you’re right.”
Then shortly after that just about every writer in the press box started tweeting that PSU had the fewest penalty yards in the nation before today. I wonder where they learned that?
by BSD on Nov 29, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well now. It would be cheating to just look through your account. Used google instead
I’m having trouble even finding a David Jones Twitter account. However, Flounders and Giger both have accounts. So does Musselman…
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I'm guessing it was Musselman.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I wish Musselman and Giger would put up different twitter photos...
maybe a character from Family Guy or something.
Joe
@QBsneak12
Wrong and wrong
Though those guys annoy me to no end. There are at least five times per game where I draft a tweet basically telling them to shut up but then delete it before hitting the send button.
You're not gonna tell us, are you?
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Does
Horvath have a twitter acount? Either that or Flounders are my guess.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
Who?
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Flounders has one (@sportswriter7) but I don't think he uses it.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 29, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure which of the PennLive guys that is.
I always assumed it was Dustin, if only because he’s the youngest.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 29, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Though
Musselman was one of the wagon jumpers after my exchange. He loves little stats that point out PSU’s struggles. You never hear him say things like “Matt McGloin throws his fourth touchdown pass of the game.” Instead it’s stuff like “Royster now has 45 yards rushing which is 15 yards more than his season average.”
Devon Smith..
When is this guy going to learn how to stay upright?
I love the idea of all this speed on offense, but its not doing anything when he can be brought down by the 40 yard line.
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
he is still a bit of a track guy playing football
so I don’t think he quite has the balance other guys have. Excuse the serious double entendre TWSS comment here, but I’d like to see him get a little bigger in his lower body (oh man that is really terrible) and lower his center of gravity a little bit to help that issue. Much like a guy like Jaquizz Rodgers. Of course, only do it if he can maintain that speed.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
sounds hot.
Seriously, if he turned into a Jaquizz type of player and lost .05 seconds off of his 40, I’d be OK with that. Rodgers is/was great (does he still play? stopped following the other OSU).
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 29, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yup - Quizz is still at OSU
He’s only a junior, but I’d expect he will return for his senior year (seeing how the NFL is going to take a year off next year).
Yeah, it's so cool, and it's totally awesome!
Think he got pretty hurt this year too, if memory serves me correctly.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 29, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
Arizona player hit him in the endzone after he scored a TD and the play was over. Tore up his knee. Basically wasn’t expecting a hit and his legs were in an awkward position.
by whiteoutonly on Nov 29, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
You know what?
They say players reflect their coaches and Arizona players are raging, loudmouthed jerks.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 29, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking smith's time is reduced next season because most of those plays will go to the Drake next year.
Smith has his place, and i think he will be very valuable as a returner, but I just think he was leaned on a bit too much in the offense this past season.
by whiteoutonly on Nov 29, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Probably could be a comment when the defensive thread comes up
but it was pretty awful to watch MSU effectively use their TE’s all game. Every time they needed a big play they would throw an out to their TE or find him wide open over the middle. I know that PSU has had to use Brackett as their TE because of injuries, but it will be nice to have some capable TE’s back in the mix next season. That should help the offense as well and to go along with the plethora of WR’s and RB’s that the offense is going to have.
MSU's TE's reflected...
how poorly PSU’s linebacker play was this year with the exception of Mauti.
Opulence, I has it.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 29, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
The O and the D......
played as if it were the 1st game not the 12th and WHY did Boldin not get into the game? And we sure missed Fera did we not. And finally, I for one, crying in the desert, HATE the 2-headed O play calling…that is all.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
MehGloin
are we over the whole cute McGloin thing yet? or is he still the irish brett favre?
or is Brett Favre the....hmm, I don't even know what ethnicity that is to call him the whatever Matt McGloin
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 29, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
i guess
the MehGloin bandwagon is still going strong. Know why we couldn’t complete a screen pass? because MSU knew that MehGloin can’t complete much more than the little dinks and dunks and they’ll easily take their chances with stuff going downfield (which should have resulted in 4-5 INTs if their defenders didn’t have stone hands).
but, never mind. i’ve learned to not criticize on here. MehGloin is the next great PSU quarterback and did a fantastic job on saturday.
I really admire your attempts to pick another fight about
Matt McGloin and his “dink and dunk mentality” and the status of our admittedly rough recruiting class. I really admire your fresh and not-at-all repetitive perspective.
Not as though these topics haven’t been covered ad nauseum over the past 3 weeks.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 29, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
He needs to be given credit for coming up with "MehGloin" though
That’s a new one, and actually funnier than McGroin. And he’s kept it consistent in both of his posts. It’s probably pretty difficult to trick your brain into typing MehGloin over and over again. In my mind, that shows dedication to…something. Bravo!
forgive me
for wanting to discuss the michigan state game and the reasons for yet another loss against a ranked team. i must have mistaken this message board for a place to discuss penn state football and the issues surrounding it.
i’ll remember to ask you what is and what isn’t a pertinent topic next time. or is the rule of thumb that if it isn’t glowing praise, then it’s not pertinent?
You don't want to discuss, you just want to complain.
Say ONE nice thing about Penn State Football, just ONE even and maybe we’ll give you more credit than we have been.
Save BSD
miss paige
the same could be said about you, except replace “nice thing” with “deserved criticism”.
This is the last thing I'm going to say on this topic
You’ve created this strawman argument where everything that’s discussed by people on this blog is peaches and candy. Yet throughout every thread today, reasonable people have discussed McGloin’s performance in less than glowing terms. We’ve heartily critiqued the defense and offense, with discussions about specific play calls and whether it was execution by the players or the plays themselves that was to blame. There’s about a 10 post thread somewhere about the merits of going for 2 after the first comeback touchdown in the 4th quarter. In fact, in this very thread I gave the coaching a C-. Does that sounds like glowing praise to you?
Discussion is not repeating the same tired tropes day in and day out. You can head to Rivals, Fight on State and Penn Live to find people who post 40 times per day over the course of two years making the same complaints. We get it. You’re unhappy. Do we have to do this 3 times per week for the next year? It just gets old.
You’re not doing yourself any favors by calling him “MehGloin.” It makes you look petty and stupid for insulting a kid. Plus, acting as if the only thing he does is “dink and dunk” isn’t only wrong, but it’s patently ridiculous. The kid goes deep about as much as he dinks and dunks. You’re just barking up the wrong tree.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Nov 29, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Here’s what I think I can say about this notion that ‘you can’t criticize PSU on BSD’
You can either think the glass is half full, or half empty. Many people here keep a glass-is-half-full mindset even during a season like this. Of course if you think it’s half empty, that’s fine too. You can even go on at great lenghts about it if you want, but you shouldn’t expect that you won’t be met with some debate. And when you are, it’s not fair to act like it’s unreasonable to present an optimistic counterpoint. Not everyone indulges their PSU fanaticism with such loathing and negativity. It seems to me like a shallow hobby to follow something so closely that causes you so much disdain.
Take McGloin for example. You constantly criticize his performances, and the coaches for starting him. It’s not like anything said here has an influence on the coach’s decisions. So why not have a little fun with it like I have, or at least consider that this is a 20-year-old student athlete that just fought his heart out for this team? What’s the point of being so negative?
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
by millzners on Nov 29, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd for this:
It seems to me like a shallow hobby to follow something so closely that causes you so much disdain.
by OctaShields on Nov 29, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s really not fair to say we’re all about glowing praise here. Read my review of the defense and tell me where the glowing praise is. And so far nobody in that thread is calling me out for being too negative.
Your problem, Towny, is your tone. You talk down to everyone. Ultimately, that’s what’s going to get you banned. Act like you are hanging out at someone’s tailgate party and show some respect and you won’t be asked to leave.
Uh
McGloin is the first PSU QB to pass for over 300 yards in back-to-back games. He’s always being criticized for not checking down when it’s there. And he’s a dink and dunker?
Pretty generous grading IMO, not that we did terribly but "B" is a little high.
Here’s how I’d grade the offense. I run a Penn State blog on my forum, but I don’t grade quite as in-depth, just grade overall, offense, defense, and special teams. I also give out a gameball (usually to a player, but sometimes to something like the field turf). But reflecting on how we did overall offensively, here are my grades.
Offense: C+ (I liked how we played hard towards the end, but too little too late)
Quarterback: C- (McGloin had his moments, but a lot of it was the WRs)
Running Backs: C+ (Looked good at times when they had room to run)
Wide Receivers: B- (Did their job to move the chains, but had inexplicible drops)
Offensive Line: C (Pass blocking: B+/Run blocking: F, 84 rushing yards is not good)
Offensive Coaching: C (Played not to lose early, then to win but too little too late)

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