Big Ten Review: Out with a Whimper
With the lone exception of Illinois playing Friday night against Fresno State, the regular season is over for the Big Eleven forever. While I'm often sentimental and nostalgic for the traditional aspects of the college football structure, like the bowl system, I'm officially excited that we never have to have a three-way tie again in the Big Ten. No more co-champions, no more letting BCS rankings determine who wins the conference, no more bogus claims of consecutive conference championships, no more possibilities of viable conference champions not playing each other.
Even though I doubted them pretty much all year, I think Wisconsin is the rightful team to represent the conference in the Rose Bowl. After the loss to Sparty, they steamrolled the rest of the conference, and did it old school, with a bunch of sh$t kickers on the o-line and an impressive mix of speed and power in the backfield. The only conference win that was ever in doubt was the one in Kinnick, well before the Hawkeyes self-destructed.
Speaking of the Hawkeyes, the out-Sparty'ed Sparty this year. Indeed, in my mind, there are two prospects for "storyline of the year" in the Big Ten. One is that the Michigan State never collapsed. The other is that Iowa did. Sure, Michigan State nearly lost to Purdue at home on Senior Day, and Penn State had a legit shot to take them down this past week, but Dantonio, Kirk Cousins (aka McGloin Sr.) and company took care of business. Meanwhile, Iowa just collapsed down the stretch. After barely beating Indiana, they took a couple of tough losses against Northwestern and Ohio State, before the wheels came off and they lost to Minnesota to finish the season .500 in the Big Ten. The only thing worse than being bad is being good and underachieving.
Now onto a rant about the Big Ten 2010 Football Awards, which were announced yesterday.
Denard Robinson won the Offensive Player of the Year Award from both the coaches and the media, but the coaches did not vote him as either first or second string all-conference quarterback. I get that Denard Robinson is a great talent who is in a system that allows him to unleash his full suite of abilities on defenses that are good, but that cannot effectively control him. However, he's got major problems with his game. Namely, he's turnover prone and not a particularly effective passer. Tate Forcier got a lot of snaps this year, and they were not all because Robinson was injured. He might have been hurt, but the Michigan coaching staff often made strategic decisions to change the tempo and feel of their offense by replacing Robinson with Forcier. If you're not even the best quarterback on your team in every situation, I don't think you're the best offensive player in the conference. Denard Robinson is a highlight machine and a better QB than anyone on Penn State's roster, but he's not a great football player. He doesn't have "it."
At the end of the day, though, it's hard to argue too much with Robinson's winning of the award, simply because there's not a really good alternative. Personally, I'm a Dan Persa fan-who was voted first team all-conference QB by the coaches and second team by the media-but the fact that didn't play this last two games definitely hurts him. I would have given it to the Wisconsin offensive line, if that was possible.
On defense, Purdue Defensive End Ryan Kerrigan earned the Conference Player of the Year honors, and deservedly so. In what seems vaguely revolutionary given what happened with the offensive award, he was also voted first-team all-conference by both the coaches and media.
Conspicuous by their absence on the defensive all-conference first team are any Penn State players, though this was consistent by what we saw from Penn State's defense on the field. Ollie Ogbu earned second-team all-conference honors from the coaches, but was only an honorable mention by the media. On offense, Wiz got first-team all-conference honors from the coaches, and second-team from the media, and Royster earned second-team from the coaches, but that was it. Otherwise, Quinn Barham, Chris Colasanti, D'Anton Lynn, Derek Moye, Drew Astorino, Devon Still, and Collin Wagner earned honorable mentions from the coaches or the media or both.
From a broad perspective, the Big Ten mirrored college football at large this year: plenty of quality teams, but no clearly head-and-shoulders-above-the-rest squad. Only one team truly outperformed expectations: Michigan State. Others either met the general preseason consensus (Wisconsin, Penn State) or failed to do so (Ohio State, Iowa).
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Disagree on Robinson
I think the reasoning behind your argument is exactly the reason he is the offensive player of the year, but not first- or second-team quarterback. He may not be fundamentally the best qb in the Big Ten, which I agree with and which is why he wasn’t chosen by the coaches or media. But he is virtually unstoppable, and I think that is why he is (and should be) the offensive player of the year.
I don't think Robinson is as unstoppable as he's made out to be. I don't think he's half as good as Newton.
The Michigan offensive line vastly exceeded expecations.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I guess unstoppable isn’t exactly the word I was going for, but you have to admit he’s an electric player and fun to watch, and can have a huge impact on every game he’s in. And in my mind, that’s a good description of a player who’s “player of the year.”
Spak is right.
The award should be changed to players of the year and it should be given to Wisconsin’s offensive line.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's not unstoppable
But if he grows as a passer, kind of like Pat White in his senior year, he will be darn close. Say what you will about RichRod, but that WVU team with Pat White was scary good on offense (albeit against a weak Big East, but they did torch Oklahoma and Georgia the year before). When they lost to Pitt at home (still LOL’ing about that one) it was because White went down early.
Georgia game was typical Rich Rod.
Georgia, once they woke up, also torched WVU. It was 28-0 less than a minute into the 2nd quarter and Georgia turnovers contributed heavily to that (2 of them led directly to WVU TDs on drives of just 26 and 50 yards) . Losing the top d-lineman the week of the game didn’t help either. But after that the Dawgs outscored WVU 35-10. They put up over 500 yards(!) of offense against WVU and their 5 touchdown drives AVERAGED over 81 yards (80, 90, 80, 90, & 68 yards).
Yeah, WVU lit it up, but so did Georgia. Turnovers were the difference in that game (Dawgs had 3, Eers has none). http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=260020061
Yeah
I never said he had a good defense. I guess some things never change for Rich. You would think he would have learned his lesson, but obviously not.
Thing is that D worked in the Big East....the minor leagues.
But it won’t work in the Big 10 or any other BCS conference.
Didn’t really mean to rant about the Georgia game. It’s just that at the time everyone was saying how that win “legitimized” the Big East. Proved they were a worthy conference. Truth is that was a very lucky win. I just got sooooo sick of all the mileage the lame Big East got out of that one lucky win. So I bring out the facts on that game every chance I get.
Newton is a T-Rex with a jet pack that rode in on an F-16
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
All of which were stolen from an old woman.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not unstoppable, but....
He definitely was not as unstoppable as Newton, especially as the season progressed, but he was also a one man offense. He kept them in/won them games that Tate Bojangles would not have won for Michigan. I seem to remember a lot of drops from mich wideouts throughout the year too and no runner on that squad besides the QB/RB hybrid of Robinson. Unstoppable, no-Offensive POTY,probably the best pick in B10.
I can see the case for Robinson as POTY and yet not being named one of the top two quarterbacks. Robinson was at his best when he was basically a running back taking direct snaps. When you look at his passing ability he was pretty average or below.
he threw for alot of yards as well
but i would still agree hes not a better QB than those so honored before him. I made this comment in another thread but it bears repeating, its quite easy in college to separate a great QB from a great offensive player that happens to play QB. Eric Crouch, Charlie Ward, Tommie Frazier, even Terrelle Pryor come to mind. Denard Robinson probably isnt a top 5 all time Michigan QB by the time he graduates, but he very easily could be a top 2 or 3 all time offensive player (behind desmond howard and tshimanga biakabatuka, because i like to say tshimanga biakabatuka).
he threw for a lot of yards
but at least some of those yards were due to that deadly “play action”/option play where he fakes the run, gets the DBs to bite, and then throws the pass right before he hits the line of scrimmage. I LOVE that play, but man it must be frustrating to defend, especially since he can just run it if the DBs don’t bite on the run, and instead defend the pass. Basically they have to choose which way they want to give up yards to him.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 30, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder
When was the last time we didn’t have a single player on the 1st team for either coaches or media All-conference defense? I bet you’d have to go back almost 10 years.
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NittanyAnthology.com probably has that info if you really want it.
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by Run Up The Score on Nov 30, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
1st team all B10 selections (defense) from the past few years
2009: Odrick, Bowman
2008: Maybin, Odrick, Bowman, Scirrotto
2007: Evans, Connor, King
2006: Pos, Scirrotto
2005: Pos, Paxton, Hali, Lowry, Zemaitis
Looks like 2004 was the last time PSU did not have a 1st teamer on the B10 All Conference Team
I'm willing to bet
Poz made 2nd team in 2004, we didn’t have a single guy on either 1st or 2nd team this season. Really underscores why we struggled so much. If you throw just one player of the caliber you just listed I wonder how much of a dramatic improvement we’d have had on defense. Just one consistent pass rusher, or play maker at LB and maybe we get a couple critical stops against Iowa, OSU, MSU… Could be the difference between 7-5 and 9-3.
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that's a shame
since that defense was pretty solid. Too bad the offense stunk up the whole team
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 30, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Scirrotto was a First Teamer?
Must have been a down year for safeties. The only DB I can think of whose fundamentals actually got worse each year he was in Happy Valley.
He was an interception machine that year
I actually remember watching him and being really excited that he was going to be around for a while.
by psuphysicist on Nov 30, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
I seem to remember most of those were on tipped passes.
Or horribly overthrown ones. And I think all he had was six of them.
He was overrated in my opinion.
No more co-champions, no more letting BCS rankings determine who wins the conference, no more bogus claims of consecutive conference championships, no more possibilities of viable conference champions not playing each other.
FWIW, a CCG really just shunts many of those issues to the division level, not the conference championship. For example, this year the “winner” of the Big 12 South had to be determined by BCS ranking and that is why Oklahoma gets a shot at the title but Okla St and A&M do not.
yeah, there can always be disagreements
at some point, i think division winner in the nfl is decided by a coin flip, but at least with the new system, all the teams in each division play one another, so you’ll never get a situation like this year where MSU and OSU both have one loss, but one would have two losses if only they’d have played each other.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Imagine
When two teams are 11-1 in the same division, one goes to the CCG and loses to an 8-4 squad, thus sending the 8-4 team and the team that lost their division to BCS bowls over the team that actually won their division. It will happen.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
Could have come close in the SEC
If South Carolina lost another game, and LSU beat Arkansas.
Could have happened two years ago with the Big 12 South,
except there were 3 11-1 teams and Mizzou was 9-3.
I can't believe I only have 4 hours to tailgate. Somehow this is Lee Corso's fault.
by Illegal Formation on Nov 30, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't this
The 2005 ACC situation? Cept Va tech was 10-2, before they lost to 8-5 FSU?
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
or imagine...
Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Ohio State going 11-1. The divisions splits would mean Michigan State would face Wisconsin for the conference title in Indianapolis.
Michigan State could beat Wisconsin in the title game and we end up with a 12-1 MSU and an 11-1 Ohio State who never played each other.
Either way, Ohio State gets the benefit of being a virtual lock for a BCS Bowl berth despite not winning their division.
The championship game will solve some problems, but it will create just as many new ones.
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Or imagine LOSING in your conference champ game and....
…still getting to play for the national championship as Nebraska and Oklahoma have. (Thank goodness they both lost.)
Yeah, the BCS is a wonderful system. It allows you to hang a national title banner while some other team in your conference hangs the conference title banner. Unreal….
To be fair, the NCAA Tournament allows for that too.
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by Adam Collyer on Nov 30, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly though I can live with that scenario
Wisc has the head to head over OSU and is unbeaten in the division. There’s not much OSU could complain about.
Save BSD
Hey, Cairo
Do you think any of the new problems are in the same ballpark as shared championships for quality of shoddiness?
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
Agreed
He looks like an albino Colonel Sanders getting ready to fry up a bucket of chicken.
by BSD on Nov 30, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Gotta admit
Jim Delany knows how to make himself look youthful in a photo-op.
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At least Joe doesn't look pale.
At least we're not Michigan since 1855.
Beat some mediocre SEC team or whatever.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 30, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions

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