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Is 400 a lock in 2010?

 

There has been some media coverage of 400 this week.  Last night on ESPN, Lou Holtz said something nice about Coach Paterno.  He even told a funny joke; Penn State is 15 minutes from Harrisburg by telephone, I laughed.  Hell, ESPN even stuck a cattle prod in Mark May’s can to ensure that he came up with something positive to say about the old man. This morning, even the Pittsburgh sports radio channel deigned to discuss Penn State.

 

Obviously, the initial 80% of the discussion (with a reporter from Altoona) covered when Joe Paterno will retire, and who his successor might be.  This was to be expected.  But then they mentioned this week’s game, and the Pitt guys asked (rather hopefully); is there a chance that Penn State losses out, and Paterno ends stuck on 399.  On paper, it seems like a possibility.

Star-divide

So I looked it up. [ED: Has anybody accidentally clicked on the Jim and Sherry’s ancestors’ link on www.jhowell.net by mistake…creepy]  I compared this squad to the dark era teams.  There still closer to one of them than a post 2005 squad, and here is what I learned.

 

The dark era teams (2000, 2001, 2003 & 2004) were 7-8 after November 1st.  The wins were against Indiana (three times ’01, ’03 & ‘04), Michigan State (three times ’00, ’01, & ‘04) and Southern Mississippi (2001).  The losses were against Northwestern (twice, ’03 & ’04), Ohio State (2003), Illinois (2001), Michigan (2000), Iowa (2000) Virginia (2001) and Michigan State (2004).

 

Of note, there are two “never have I ever” games left on the schedule; never lost to Indiana, never lost to Michigan State at home.  That’s the good news.  The bad news is, no below par Penn State team has ever beaten Northwestern in November, strange, but nominally significant. 

 

To add to the confusion slightly, the five win 2001 team did beat Northwestern, but in October.  The five win 2000 team beat Indiana (also in October) but at a neutral site (Indianapolis) and in a close game (27-24). 

 

My historical interpretation is this; the Northwestern game is a toss up, historically speaking, a probable loss.  The Indiana game is a probable win, but a nail-biter. They aren’t going to beat Ohio State.  Michigan State still figures as a probable win, but I’d like to see the Spartans fall apart a bit between now and November 27th before going on the record with that.

 

So they are probably getting 400 this year, but I don’t see it as in the bag quite yet.  Incidentally, Eddie Robinson is next at 408.  Just sayin’.

 

Footnote #1: It think what I find most interesting, is that what I see to be the difference between this team, and the 00, 01 squads that only won five games is; first, Michigan sucks, and second, the fluke in 2000 of Toledo being good, which 98% of the time would have been the sixth win.

 

Footnote #2: I don’t’ see this team as comparable to the 9 win Morelli teams for a couple of reasons.  First, those teams had an offensive line (Levi Brown anybody?) and a running game.  Second, those teams had Paul Posluszny, Dan Connor and Sean Lee playing linebacker.  This team has neither of those.

 

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O mein Gott.

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 5, 2010 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Will Somebody Please Get Some Balls?

Interesting!
You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!

MAYBE we could chug on down to MAMBY PAMBY LAND,
and MAYBE we could find you some self confidence!
JACKWAGON!

Tissues?

Crybaby!

Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!

by joefromboalsburg on Nov 5, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

nice work with the beatles

There will be no battle fatigue in my command

by psu in the w-b on Nov 5, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate the Beatles. But it had to be done.

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 6, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yay, a song I know!

The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.

by jtothep on Nov 6, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

You’ll be celebrating it Saturday night. Historically jNW has performed very poorly in Happy Valley.

Joe Paterno Apologist

by Joe 96alum on Nov 5, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

And yet, recently....

…NU (come on, that jNW crap is pure bush-league Io_a stuff….and yes, there is no “w” in Io_a anymore because Northwestern has taken it so many times) is a tough team to beat when they’re playing on the road — 6 straight road wins, 8-2 in Big Ten road games since 2008.

by Chadnudj on Nov 5, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Northwestern is a direction.

NW is easier to remember. NW it is.

just Northwestern or jNW is also funny. Unless you’re one of those pysychos who wants to hire Fitzgerald at Penn State.

I usually go with NW because it’s easier to remember and just two letters.

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 5, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I’ll never go with ‘NU’. Even next year, when ‘Neb’ comes aboard.

The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.

by jtothep on Nov 6, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the win over Michigan

Has fired this team up. And attendance should be capacity and then some for the obvious implications. I believe we’re going to see quite a performance by this team, because the game time atmosphere will be great (not 8pm start great, but still great).

I believe what they were lacking most was confidence and swagger. That game last week should do wonders in that department.

I can’t wait!!

McGloin Despite Them

Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010

by millzners on Nov 5, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed re: swagger

We all thought we’d be mentally prepared for the prospect of starting 3-2, ugly or not. Still, it was a shock when it happened. With a young team like ours, the shock to the confidence of the players must be even worse. Hence the horrible performance against Illinois, and tentative game against MN. Now, the swagger is most definitely back. I think adrenaline and confidence will help this team over-perform on Saturday.

by newenglandnittanylion on Nov 5, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Dad's very first Penn State game

is this Northwestern Game. We had better win!!!!

"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"

by amandakt on Nov 5, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

All four games are possible losses.

It is impossible to lose all four games.

by WorldBFat on Nov 5, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.

by ckmneon on Nov 5, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly believe we will lose our remaining games

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to mail this enormous check to a nice Nigerian gentleman I met on the internet.

by OctaShields on Nov 5, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Put an extra zero on it

from me!!

Oh, we got both kinds. We got country AND western

by rahpsu92 on Nov 5, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Came here to say this.

You beat me to it.

Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.

by 06Lion on Nov 5, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

hehe

It just seems like the only appropriate response, doesn’t it?

by hbeach08 on Nov 5, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes - simple, direct and correct

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"

by NJ lion on Nov 5, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Joe would be the first person to flat out tell you

no win is certain, no loss is certain, it’s who comes out with the most intensity, works their butt off the most and wants to come out of the game with a W that determines who wins the game.

I mean is this years team really comparable to the Dark Years? I’m asking because I don’t have stats to back it up. Sure we’ve struggled mightily on both sides of the ball, but I feel like the talent level alone isn’t even comparable, particularly on offense. I’m not saying we’re going undefeated the rest of the season, because all the kool-aid in the world couldn’t make me believe that, but there’s no reason to believe that NOT getting 400 is impossible by any means, and in fact there’s probably a significant chance of it happening in one of the next 3 games.

by dawsonPSU10 on Nov 5, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

It's much better than 03, 04 dark years.

It’s pretty similar to 00, 01 dark years.

Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.

by jesse. on Nov 5, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The bad news is, no below par Penn State team has ever beaten Northwestern in November, strange, but nominally significant."

So if we buy this premise, tomorrow shall determine how the 2010 PSU team is viewed in a historical context. However, it appears you’ve already doomed them with the “probable loss”. Please make sure you have joefromboalsburg recommend a nice desert to go along with the crow you’ll be eating for dinner tomorrow.

by Frank O'Brien on Nov 5, 2010 5:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

oh snap

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 5, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

JACKWAGON!

Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!

by joefromboalsburg on Nov 5, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except I recall the conversation with JFB where he told me they were going to win ten games.

He’s letting my admittedly awful Michigan call go to his head. Overall, I’ve been much closer on this team than him. No matter how many times he calls me a JACKWAGON.

Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.

by jesse. on Nov 5, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ten is still Mathematically Possible!

Mecka Lecka High, Mecka Highny Ho!

Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!

by joefromboalsburg on Nov 5, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh huh.

Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.

by jesse. on Nov 5, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buckeyes have two plays

1) Long pass to Posey, after scramble
2) Long run by Prior, after scramble

Maybe Penn State can stop that!

Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!

by joefromboalsburg on Nov 5, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohio State has an offense that is best

against absolutely terrible passing defenses. They looked invincible against the Hoosiers, the Thundering Herd, and the Gophers. But they don’t have a great offense by any stretch of the imagination.

Oh no, don't tell me Matt Barkley ALSO doesn't tie his shoes...
Wisconsin, throwing the Big Ten into chaos since the beginning of time...

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 5, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stay the Hell out of this, Jackwagon!

Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!

by joefromboalsburg on Nov 5, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, kindly stay the hell out of this, Jackwagon!

Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!

by joefromboalsburg on Nov 5, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and another thing.

Yes, 400 is absolutely a lock. We’ve already established that Michigan is superior to Indiana on offense and perhaps basically the same on defense. Next add in the following facts: IU sold their souls for money – God may be angry at them. We are better than Indiana. Indiana can’t stop the run, can’t stop the pass, and can’t get pressure.

400 is a lock.

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 5, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see that game as either being a blowout or another 41-31 type game.

I’ll be able to decide after this week’s game.

Also, I’m considering going down there via the metro. I mean, if tickets are still $25…

"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 5, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please, please make this happen

Also, I’m considering going down there via the metro.

The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.

by jtothep on Nov 6, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

400 is not the issue. 403 or 404 is the issue!

Bloodthirsty.
Bloodthirsty.
Bloodthirsty.

There is a mean spirit in State City this November Friday Night.
Beware, Wildcats. The Lions are restless.

Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!

by joefromboalsburg on Nov 5, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but I was downtown tonight, and it is not going to go well for the Wildcats.

These Nit fans are not expecting to lose.

Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!

by joefromboalsburg on Nov 5, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll have what he's drinking

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"

by NJ lion on Nov 5, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He takes his drank

From a different vessel.

/where’s my pipe?

The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.

by jtothep on Nov 6, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

if this team doesnt get to 400 this year

Then by all means, fire JoePa. Seriously. I can’t believe this is an actual discussion. Which it seems like it is. Indiana is on the schedule. That, in and of itself should all but guarantee 400. Indiana is balls awful.

The Theory of Evolution states that only the strong survive. Maybe so, maybe so. But the Theory of Competition states that, just because they're the strong, doesn't mean they can't get their asses kicked.

by jman07 on Nov 5, 2010 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Comparisons Fun but Not Relevant

Comparing the records of past PSU teams in any month is interesting, but has no relevance to this year’s team. They have only 11 seniors on the squad. This group is actually getting better and learning with each game. Do not underestimate what they can do this season. The recruiting classes have been very good the past few years.
Slow down Persa, PSU wins
Slow down Pryor, PSU wins
Out talent Indiana, PSU wins
Outscore MSU, PSU wins

Uncle Nit

by UncleNit on Nov 6, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

My man....

Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.

by jesse. on Nov 7, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

where does one obtain the crow

and can you use the suet you put in a birdfeeder?

"Imma gonna make a couple 'a meatballs"

by letsgopsu on Nov 7, 2010 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

Please look at the post a quote the part where I said Penn State would lose.

I also note that you didn’t post this in the Second Quarter. It’s easy to be smart on Sunday morning.

Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.

by jesse. on Nov 7, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think she was responding to me.

"This is how I chill, ma'am."
Beat Ohio State.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 7, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I was asking Rambler where to obtain a crow and suet

I don’t have the brains or verbal skills to enter any type of argument with you, thus would not question anything you post. I am too afraid.

"Imma gonna make a couple 'a meatballs"

by letsgopsu on Nov 7, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

First answer: see above.

Second answer: Yes. If made properly, many, many birds will enjoy it. I used it one winter and saw a mockingbird appear out of nowhere on snowy morning. He liked the peanut butter.

"This is how I chill, ma'am."
Beat Ohio State.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 7, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

there are lots of crows right here in my yard

do people really eat those loud, ugly things?

"Imma gonna make a couple 'a meatballs"

by letsgopsu on Nov 7, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess so...

I mean, if you’re gonna shoot ’em, why not?

"This is how I chill, ma'am."
Beat Ohio State.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, yes it is.

No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun

by psu on Nov 8, 2010 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

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