Does Mcgloin give us the best chance to win?
by Dmad on Nov 6, 2010 11:17 AM EDT
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So we're looking at two quarterbacks in Matt Mcgloin and Rob Bolden, its pretty clear that in three years, Rob Bolden is going to be the better quarterback. I would argue that if analyzed from a perspective of straight skill, Rob Bolden is the better quarterback right now. Matt Mcgloin, however, has that special something that we have seen over the last decade to be very effective here at Penn State, a fiery leader at the quarterback position.
Michael Robinson 2005- Led the team to an 11-1 record, I can still see the shot of him coming onto the field to fire up the defense in the orange bowl.
Daryll Clark 2008/2009- Sure, he had some trouble beating Iowa, but two top ten finishes is nothing to complain about, Clark was another one of those guys who oozed leadership, and it definitely showed up on the field.
This leads us to the point of this shot, that Matt Mcgloin oozes leadership too, the players say it, the coaches say it, and everyone can see it just from watching a game. I in no way have Mcgloin fever, nor do i think he has the tools to be successful long term here, but until Rob Bolden (or anyone else on the field) steps up, Mcgloin might be the best option.
Note: I think you give Rob Bolden the start, as to not completely ruin his confidence and if he is having some sort of horrid game give Mcgloin a chance.
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Bolden hasn’t done anything that warrants making him the #2. McGloin beat Michigan, which honestly doesn’t warrant a bump to the starting gig.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
Apparently.
I may have said otherwise at some point (So suck it, me), but I also said trust the coaches, so suck it everyone else.
Suck its all around!
"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.
this is my stance as well.
we don’t go to practice, so we can only use what we see in games. So i guess what I’m saying is none of us can make a better decision than the coaches. I trust them.
Still inconclusive
Since Bolden didn’t even get a chance.
And it was jNW.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
Bolden got his chance and he didn’t play very well. I’d say the staff made a good decision.
Bolden will be fine, but McGloin is better for the moment and he should probably start.
"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 6, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
McGloin did struggle his first two series
but led that 40+ second 91 yard drive to end the half. That probably won the game!
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
Two series?
That’s tough, Bolden has two drives stall and he’s done? Not second guessing leaving McGloin in because once he led that 91 yard drive, he had to lead the team in the 2nd half. But McGloin did nothing in three drives until he led that awesome momentum swinging drive.
At this point McGloin must start. But it just didn’t make much sense how the QB situation was handled to me. Either pick one guy, or play both guys. Don’t have a short leash on the starter. Obviously I’m not privy to the internal machinations here. It just looks like the staff was indecisive and as a result it took 29 minutes for the QB du jour to finally settle in. Go with one guy, and let him play.
by gcdyersb on Nov 7, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This.
If McGloin was treated the same as Bolden, he’d have been pulled after his first two drives in favor of Newsome before he even had a chance to lead the huge momentum-swinging TD drive at the end of the half.
I don’t get it. Bolden was named the starter early in the season. He was given the experience of going up against the monster defenses of Alabama and Iowa. He showed a ton of skill, poise, and even improvement in the limited amount of time he had to develop. Even Jay and McGloin said it was his team after the Michigan win. McGloin did a great job as the backup by beating a Michigan team with a horrible defense and because of that, you host a competition to possibly unseat the starter (which Bolden wins)? And then pull the starter after he has two bad drives (most of which is more the O line’s fault than Bolden’s)? What does that say to the team? What does that say to Bolden? How do we know that Bolden wouldn’t have gotten things started given a 3rd drive? Obviously, we don’t know he would have – but it took McGloin 3 drives. Shouldn’t we give the starter the same benefit of a doubt?
I trust the coaches but I just don’t get it.
Do you remember why that second drive stalled?
It’s because Bolden was not playing very well. That failure to read the blitz at all was apparently inexcusable in the minds of the coaches. Putting McGloin in earlier may have also given him time to warm up.
I’d have to go back and look, but at least one (perhaps two) of McGloin’s drives stalled due to a dropped pass.
Then you make all of this moo by saying he should start anyway.
"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 7, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Not to offend
but you sound like Matt Millen right now. That whole “can’t read the blitz” thing on his fumble play was bunk. The guy was 5 yards back and didn’t look like he was going to blitz at all, up until the ball was snapped and he actually did blitz. It was pretty well disguised and almost any QB, either Bolden or McGloin, wouldn’t have seen it.
The line played like garbage up until the end of the first half. It’s really that simple. They picked up their play and McGloin did well. I’m a little upset with the playcalling with Bolden in, as it seems to set him up to fail all the time, like they are trying to protect him but end up hurting him at the same time.
My preference for the QB situation would be to make it an open competition every week. Whoever wins gets to start. Leave your starter in for at least a quarter, unless he is really playing terrible, and make a change only if you have to in the 2nd. Then reassess at half time. I’m ok putting the #2 guy in for a series or two even if the starter is playing well. But if McGloin starts against OSU and plays like crap for 2 series, I better see him get yanked just as quickly as Bolden did this past week.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
It's not really that simple.
The offensive line was fine when Bolden was in. Garbage? Steve and Jack were commenting on the run game we had going throughout the first half. You can’t blame that sack on the line. That sack was all on Bolden.
"Iowa is like a flat Pennsylvania."
Beat Northwestern.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 7, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
The man came in completely untouched
I think the line has to take a good portion of the blame for that. It’s not like Bolden held on to the ball too long, he barely had enough time to drop back, let alone make a read and try to make a pass.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
I agree with Rambler
that Bolden takes the blame here. He just isn’t ready for all out pressure on 3rd down. At the very least he needs to feel the pressure and slide away from it. Experienced mobile QBs often make that blitzer look silly by using his momentum against him.
Where I disagree is whether this is a death penalty offense. I say no. You want the kid to start? Then you have to tolerate some errors, even bad ones.
That's fine
but how would McGloin fare any different? I didn’t see him make any plays like you suggest because he never had to face that. I don’t know if Northwestern’s defensive plan changed or if we made adjustments on the line, but you didn’t see that in the second half at all.
I’m fine with them starting McGloin if that is who is going to win them games, I just worry that yanking Bolden like that and then not pulling McGloin when he was equally unimpressive is going to mess with Bolden in the long run. If McGloin starts against OSU and throws a pick or misses a blitz on 3rd down, the coaches need to treat him just the same as the other guy.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
If Bolden's psyche is that fragile he can follow Devlin at Delaware
I’ve been a big Bolden supporter but he’s often too hesitant in his decision making. McGloin’s 2 years of experience and maturity are making a big difference. It appeared to me that the entire team, offense and defense started terribly slow yesterday and Bolden may be bearing too much of the burden for that. Additionally, I don’t believe we’ve seen anything from Bolden to date that would lead you to believe he could have pulled off that drive at the end of the half like McGloin did.
These guys will continue to battle for the starting spot and Bolden may not win it back this year but he has too much physical talent for McGloin to hold him off for the next 3 years.
by Frank O'Brien on Nov 7, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
The missed blitz read
was on Bolden. But also remember why he was in 3rd and long in the first place—a failed trick play on 1st down. Not his fault. Royster not making the 4th down on his first drive is not on Bolden either.
My point is not moot. What I’m saying is the coaches should stick with the guy they think has the best chance of winning. That means tolerating mistakes. Given that McGloin has picked the team up the last 3 weeks, I think he has to be the guy now. I just don’t think we should be juggling the QB like this as I think that led to the slow start this week.
Someone
should keep track of the pre / post vote count.
"Now that the celebration's over. Let's go beat Ohio State"
JVP
I put this up
about 2 hours before the game, and right before kick off it was 8-3 in favor of Bolden giving them the best chance to win
Preaching Kevin Newsome in the wildcat gospel since YSU 2010
I voted immediately after and it was like 16-9 Bolden.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I'll lay this out easy for people to understand.
After watching tonights game I know 100% why McGloin is going to play and Bolden won’t.
McGloin is automatic with screen passes. Bolden is not. We are, if anything over the years, and screen passing team. We’ve used it to punish teams since before I was born. It is a completely integral part of our offense that is just as completely absent when you have to line Bolden up in the shotgun 9/10 plays to give him the time/vision not to take the sack.
McGloin is comfortable under center, thus we can run the screens, thus we can keep defenses honest and execute our blocking strategies to their fullest. That is the biggest offensive difference between the first 5 games and the last three. And that’s why McGloin is going to see a majority of the playing time, unless TC gets very good at playing under center very fast.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
Might I throw this point out:
People who are voting for Bolden seem to believe this year is a wash. However, if we take care of OSU and MSU, OSU takes care of Iowa, and Wiscy pulls a suck-job against some team, we will be tied for 1st in the Big Ten. I’m not sure how the tie-breaker goes there, and I have too much of a headache to sort it out. But the point is, this season is not over.
Now, am I expecting this to happen? No, because I think OSU is going to kill us (full disclosure, I thought Michigan and NW would too). But MSU no longer scares me like they had. We win out, we’re co-champs of the Big Ten if two rather likely eventualities play out. So we go with the player who gives us the BEST CHANCE TO WIN TODAY, not in the future. And that is McGloin.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
And BTW, yes.
That would result in a 5-way tie for first.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Here's what I saw from the stands
Obviously I’ve been leading the charge on McGloin for months now, so I know you all expect me to be biased. But bias aside, the coaches know what they’re doing. They want to win now, and they are. They are also protecting Bolden from himself. If you have a recently concussed, true freshman QB who can’t read blitzes, you’re putting him in a situation where he could get seriously hurt. You think Ohio State isn’t going to look at the film and blitz the hell out of Bolden? Does anyone want Bolden out there if he’s risking serious long term injury after already sustaining a concussion? He’s the future of this team. He’s playing phenominal, beyond all expectations for a kid who’s had 5 months in the system.
The coaches are protecting Bolden, they’re trying to keep him from getting hurt, or losing all confidence in himself. Right now he’s statistically ds
McGloin has led us to one of the biggest comebacks we’ve ever had, I’ve heard it was the biggest comeback in Paterno history. It started with what I believe is the best execution of the 2 minute offense I’ve seen since ‘94. You can credit the run game, and you should. You can credit 2nd half adjustments on defense, and you should do that too. But that’s not the whole story here. The team plays better with McGloin in.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
"The team plays better with McGloin in."
Lou Holtz also commented that there’s better chemistry with McGloin in. This is spot on. McGloin lights a fire under the offense. The OL block better, the tailbacks run harder. He needs to start.
All I ask is that Bolden get the straight story from the coaches. If I’m Bolden, what I see is the coaches put me in just for show and were waiting for a mistake to justify pulling me. May or may not be the case, but the coaches need to tell Bolden during the week that they are going with McGloin.
I wanted Bolden to play this season, even if McGloin could win more games. Well, what I see now is the best of both worlds. Bolden has gained a ton of experience. Even with McGloin, I don’t think we win against Bama, Iowa or Illinois (D injuries hurt as much as anything). But from here on out playing McGloin gives us the best shot to get into a better bowl.
This is what I'm worried about as well
If you want to play McGloin, that’s fine. I trust the coaches here as well. But I think in trying to protect Bolden, they could be hurting him in the long run if they aren’t careful. Either sit the kid down and explain the situation to him, or make it an open competition and treat both guys equally, which means yanking McGloin when he makes a big mistake, or leaving both guys in to try and make up for any mistakes made. Don’t put the idea into Bolden’s head that any time he screws up he’s going to ride the pine for the rest of the game, because that’s how you ruin a kids confidence.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
This is exactly what concerns me too
I don’t care who the coaches decide to start. Just make it clear who it is, or if it’s a platoon, then stick with it. No need to destroy Bolden’s head at this point. I’m sure he’ll get over it. But don’t need to make it worse than it has to be.
Being the devil's advocate:
maybe that was exactly what the staff had planned: 2 series for Bolden and then bring in McGloin. And maybe it was mad clear to the team all along, just not us fans. It might seem nonsensical, but do any of us really have any idea what’s going on in the coach’s minds?
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Very true
and that’s all I want. As long as its known up front, then it’s just a matter of Bolden dealing with it. It looked like he got pulled because of the fumble though, then McGloin came in and didn’t do anything until the very end of the half. Keep doing that and you mess with the kids head. Lay it out for him and treat him fairly and he can take it and learn from it.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
Don't think Bolden was talking to JoePa
in the 2nd quarter to say everything went as planned. I think he anticipated he’d get another shot and wanted it.
I think we do (have an idea what's going on in the coaches' minds)
Key word is idea. And the key point is context. We fans have enough at our disposal that we’re not idiots out here making suppositions. Key words being idiots and suppositions.
Player and coach quotes are our most meaningful pieces of data available for us to develop and shape those ideas. Many, many times Joe won’t tell us shite. But sometimes he does.
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
Are you saying I'm not an idiot??
Them’s fightin’ words
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Ha!
So we’ll add some shadow boxing to the list of things to do when we finally meet up:
- have a surf
- go for a mtn bike ride
- introduce the twins to the twins (and the eldersiblings)
- have a beer (or many)
- discuss having an active lifestyle in this, a high-tech, age
- fight over my not having called you an idiot
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
Sounds good. All of it
I actually thought of something similar to this today. I went for a quick bike ride in the rain at lunch today and told myself I’m going to take my bike up to PSU next time I go and ride on some of the old trails I rode when a student. And I thought it would be fun to ride with jtothep and have a few beers afterwards.
I guess it’s true – great minds do think alike!
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Big words me no understand.
Way to go, Kirk!
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Tied for biggest comeback with the '94 Illinois game.
Illinois had a 21-0 lead in the first half, 28-14 lead at the end of the half, and lost 35-31.
"This is how I chill, ma'am."
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 7, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
That team had Collins, Rivera, Carter, Brady, Engram, and a host of others.
We may be looking at history with this young crew.
Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!
by joefromboalsburg on Nov 7, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
We may be looking at history with this young crew.Silas Redd.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
That team also had Hartings, Rivera and some other decent offensive lineman
If this team wants to sniff that kind of rarefied air they’re gonna need some lineman, Jackwagon!
by Frank O'Brien on Nov 7, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Inappropriate use of Jackwagon.
Also, this O Line will get it’s chance this weekend at the Shoe.
I’m guessing they do well.
Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!
by joefromboalsburg on Nov 7, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
If Penn State were to actually win this week (I doubt it) and if Penn State were to finish 10-3...
Then jesse. seriously needs to eat real crow.
"This is how I chill, ma'am."
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 7, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Here you go!
And if you ever make the mistake of sharing these thoughts with a non-hunter, be prepared for the same reaction you might get if you invited them to dine with the Donner party. This is a shame since, properly prepared, the members of the Corvid family are as tasty as most other game birds and even tastier than some.
"This is how I chill, ma'am."
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 7, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed on inappropriate use of Jackwagon.
"This is how I chill, ma'am."
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 7, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
How's this, You two Jackwagons can go join Jesse. in namby-pamby land!
by Frank O'Brien on Nov 7, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of jesse.
Apparently he’s going to have spend the entire week telling Ohio State fans why most of them are douchebags.
At least Sam from WWAHT was nice enough to admit it.
"This is how I chill, ma'am."
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2010 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
The McGloin Family on Why You're Not As Good As Their Son
http://pahomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=161026
I could watch these local station stories all week, especially when they get extended family involved.
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