Big Ten Review: Scrap and Pryor sitting in a tree, T-E-X-T-I-N-G
by spakajewia on Nov 9, 2010 4:03 PM EST
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PrintAt the end of Tom Bradley's interview with ESPN Radio yesterday, the host tried to steer the conversation from JoePa's 400th win to the Ohio State game by saying, "Terrelle Pryor sleeps for no man." I have no idea what that means, of course, but regardless, it prompted Tom Bradley to mention a few interesting things regarding his relationship with TP.
"We're good friends," Bradley said. "[Pryor's] already texted me a few times this week....We have a nice banter."
A nice banter?!?! Banter! BA! Anyone in the comments want to guess what these two are texting to each other?
While Ohio State was off last week, texting opposing teams' coaches and make sure the stickers on their helmet looked just so, the rest of the conference provided some excitement.
Well, the rest of the conference except Minnesota and Michigan State, who played the game you might have expected from those two: plenty of defense, an impressive performance by Sparty, and an utterly forgettable game.
Meanwhile, Purdue hung tough with Wisconsin long enough to make me think that the Badgers might not be as unbeatable in its remaining contests - Indiana; at Michigan; Northwestern - as they once appeared. Wisconsin's very good upfront, but they can struggle on the road, as they showed in the first half of Saturday's game.
Indiana demonstrated why they're much better than their 0-5 conference record suggests, leading Iowa for much of Saturday's game, only to go down in the final minutes and lose because NFL prospect Damarlo Belcher couldn't squeeze a very catchable ball in the end zone on 4th down with 30 seconds to play.
And Illinois and Michigan played a thriller in Ann Arbor. Tate Forcier line-danced the Wolverines to a win in the third overtime after Denard Robinson got hurt in the second half. Even though the high scoring affair included a mind-blowing 132 total points, Michigan's defense actually played pretty well in the second half.
That game really caused me to rethink my aversion to the NFL's current regular season overtime policy. For a long time, I've advocated for the NFL to switch from sudden death overtime to something more like the college system, but the college system is broken, too. The college system is exciting, but it's a little too much like deciding a tied hoops game by moving the game to half court. I'd probably be fine with each team getting the ball at the opposing team's 25 an equal number of times if they didn't force the issue with the requirement to go for two after the second OT. That Illinois-Michigan game was a gem, even if I lost too much money on it, and it was a shame that it ended because Illinois couldn't convert a two-point try. I suppose I like the NFL's approach to overtime for the playoffs this year, where if the team that receives the kickoff only kicks a field goal, the other team gets a chance to score. I might like the high school version best of all, if only because giving each team the ball at the opposing team's ten yard line always reminds me of 10-Yard Fight.
An early look at the line's in this week's Big Ten contest:
- Iowa Hawkeyes -9.5 at Northwestern Wildcats
- Michigan Wolverines -13 at Purdue Boilermakers
- Wisconsin Badgers -21.5 v. Indiana Hoosiers
- Illinois Fighting Illini -21 v. Minnesota Golden Gophers
- Ohio State Buckeyes -18 v. Penn State Nittany Lions
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When I first saw the picture,
I thought somebody Photo Shopped Mrs. Persa into it. Wondered if she was gonna root for another in state QB that left for greener pastures! (In TP’s case, not pastures, too country!)
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi
same
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
TP:
Wish my development was progressing as quickly as McGloin’s. LOL … :(
Tom Bradley haters: Reveal yourselves!
by Illegal Formation on Nov 9, 2010 5:38 PM EST reply actions
First message
Listen, I want to save you the time. We don’t need to meet. I’ve been taking money from another agent the last couple years, and he’s been taking care of my family too.
Re: OT
I am sorta torn on it as well. I’ve never liked the college rules, but liked how they at least gave both teams a chance. The NFL, by modifying the rules a bit, have basically removed the part I didn’t like: how a team just had to play for a FG in OT to win. Now if they do that, the other team gets a shot as well, not only to tie, but to potentially win. MUCH better.
An alternate college OT rule I could get down with (instead of having the teams forced to go for 2 after 2 OT):
move the ball 5-10 yards back each successive OT
Honestly....
I hate college overtime. I’d rather see a tie than a good defensive game end up 48-45 after 6 overtimes. And I really can’t imagine the traditional Michigan fan being thrilled with that win. Sure it beats losing, but can you really be proud of a baketball score win???
In our pregame chat with the ref this week (my buddies and I do the sticks for the high school) he was telling us about some game that ended up tied 28-28 in regulation and ended up 84-81 after I think it was 12 overtimes. That’s just ridiculous.
I agree about the UM score
What got me is that ESPN interviewed DickRod after the game and he was just giddy with the win and happy he won because his much criticized D made the stop to win. I can just see Joe after a 67-65 win and I sure don’t think he would be happy. He would be grateful for the win but happy, no way.
eff it, I'm going derp
I noticed that, too!
You’d think he’ be embarrassed of his D after that debacle. But I can under RR being giddy because he’s hanging by a thread. He’s probably gonna lose to Wisky and Ohio State and beat Purdue. So that was his swing game…he may survive going 1-2 the rest of the way, but no way would have had they lost to the Illini.
To me 67-65 is just as embarrassing as 6-4.
My dad made the comment
“67-65? That’s ridiculous. I’ve never seen a score like that.” My response was “sure you have, it’s usually reserved for basketball though.”
"People ask me why I've stayed here so long, and you know what? Look around, look around. Now that the celebration's over, let's go beat Ohio State."
~Joe Vincent Paterno
by jman07 on Nov 10, 2010 6:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Both overtime systems are flawed..
College would be better if each team started at the 50 and make 2 pts tries mandatory fromt he beginning.
The NFL should just play a full overtime period. I’d even be happy if the overtime period was 10 minutes in lieu of 15.
Opulence, I has it.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 10, 2010 7:29 AM EST up reply actions
I almost wish they'd do something like keep the score at the end of regulation, and give the winner of OT 1 more point
and not really keep track of any stats from the OT periods. They’re not a comparable representation of the rest of the game, but I do like some way to decide the “winner”. I also wish that they would keep track of wins, losses, and OT losses like they do in hockey, because it doesn’t really punish the loser, but does award the winner.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
It’s nothing but red zone football w/o the other boring 75 yards
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
ok, but if that's what we want to decide the game on
then why not make the rest of the game like that, too?
What if a team’s strength is the ability to keep opponents out of the red zone, but they are suspect of giving up points once a team is inside the 20, and they then face a team that is the opposite (can’t keep teams out of the red zone, but have great red zone defense).
According to the game they just played, the teams are basically equal (tied score), but now you are basically saying, “ok, throw out the rest of that game, now we’re going to play a game that team B is heavily favored to win”.
I’m not saying it isn’t somewhat exciting to watch, but it also isn’t really what I like about college football either. Imagine if college basketball OT was something like, “each team gets 5 free throw shots, one per player”. Sure, it would decide a winner, but it would completely screw over certain types of teams which were developed to win in other ways.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm
I think the 5 free throw analogy is a little extreme.
Football is still 11 on 11 with a LOT of moving parts on every single play, no matter what the field position. And I’ve never heard of a team hanging their hat on “we’re a great redzone team!” or “there’s not a better between the 20’s D in the country!”
your free throw analogy is a little like saying line up and kick 5 field goals, THAT would suck
ok, perhaps a better analogy would be if they went to a halfcourt game.
If you have a scrappy young team that stayed in the game by playing the full court press, but don’t match up that well in the paint, well then you just got screwed over by the system.
While I wouldn’t say teams hang their hats on being a great redzone team or a great team between the 20s, the point I’m trying to make is that, just as you said, there are a lot of moving parts on every single play, but those parts DO do (hehe, doodoo) something different based on field position. If not, then why not just give each team the ball on the goal line instead of the 25 and see who can stuff it in.
Now maybe the 25 yard line is far enough out so as to eliminate any of those discrepancies, but I’d still rather the new NFL system than the current college system (but I prefer the current college system over the old NFL system, and ideally I’d like both teams to get the ball at least once no matter what)
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
I see your point.
Both teams should definitely get the ball, that we agree on. I’m a fan of the current way cuz it’s kind of a “last man standing wins” kinda deal. Maybe push it back to the 40 so the FG attempt isn’t a given?
10 minute straight OT wouldn’t be bad either.
My comment was slightly sarcastic (I know, I forgot to use the font), but I do like the fact that both teams get a chance with the ball. I don’t like the way NFL OT is played – get lucky with the coinflip, earn enough yards to have your kicker get the FG. Game over.
Other than the Orange Bowl, I can’t think of too many times PSU has actually played in OT games.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
the NFL changed their rules
so it is no longer “get lucky with the coinflip, earn enough yards to have your kicker get the FG, game over”
Now if you do that (settle for the FG), the other team gets to receive a kickoff, and if they score a TD, then you’ll look awfully silly having only played for that FG.
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Shows how much I know about Sunday football!
Sounds like a decent way to do OT
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Re: TP
Just to mention something real quick. One or two guys on here were giving me flak for defending TP’s “9 out of 10 times” comment after the Wisconsin game. Well, as I’m sure you know, Joe Pa said to the media today talking about Ohio State: “After the Wisconsin thing, it’s hard to believe, when you look at it, that Ohio State lost to them.” Its just a tad humorous that every PSU fan’s football father said the same thing in different terms as Terrelle. I’m sure not all of you cared about Pryor’s comments, but to those who did…
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
Yeah, I'll agree to disagree with Coach Paterno.
Wisconsin ran over Ohio State. Period. Tolzien passed competently against Iowa. He didn’t even have to against Ohio State. How that translates to “9 out of 10 times OSU wins” is totally beyond me.
"So run, you cur! Tell all the other curs McGloin's comin'! And hell's comin' with him, you hear? Hell's comin' with him!"
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 9, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Well that's fine
Just tell a couple of your buddies that “tO$U” fans aren’t the only ones “that can rationalize in their right mind Pryor’s comment’s.”
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
Joe has always made his opponents out to be world beaters.
Pryor is just an ignorant douchebag.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Hah.
For the 2984372 time, a PSU fan doesn’t fail to judge a college kid as a person while taking this game way too seriously.
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
Pryor is a quantifiable douche. Stabs people, Murders people. 9 times out of 10 we win because we’re better. Etc. These are not things any kind of normal person says. That kind of crap is beyond merely letting the hype get to your head. That’s being a tool. And I assure you, if we had someone talk like that kid, I’d say the same about a PSU player.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I never got the impression that he was a douche.
He doesn’t seem to think before he speaks, which is all the more detrimental when a lot of people are listening to what you say. Everyone has a little bit of a whiner in ’em, most people know better than to air it out.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
I'm pretty sure he's a douche
Didn’t we have the TP track story on here a while ago? Or was that something I heard somewhere else?
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
That said,
I really, really wish he would just shut up.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
He needs to tell his icon, I mean,
LEBRON ****ING JAMES to do the same.
Beat Northwestern, Michigan, and Indiana, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 9, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'm so tired of hearing his name.
James is the horrible boyfriend, Cleveland is the scorned teenage girl, and the rest of America is stuck being that poor friend who ends up listening to all the post-breakup whining. Until Cleveland is willing to pay me in chocolate the way all my normal friends do, I’m done listening.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
by dwf5095 on Nov 9, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Paying you in chocolate...
Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy_mIEnnlF4
Beat Northwestern, Michigan, and Indiana, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 9, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Not quite.
I’ll try to escape, they’ll pull out the chocolate, I’ll stick around long enough to eat the chocolate. Then, when I’m completely sure the chocolate’s all gone, I’ll say I have to go do work, and hide in my room, and watch ESPN/ Comedy Central/ TLC.
That was pretty funny, I should start watching that show. A couple of my friends have mentioned it
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
God I love that show
And yes, dwf, you really need to get on to watching it. Especially if you have any nerdy/dorky qualities.
Designated "New Thread Is Up" guy.
I am entirely made up of nerdy/dorky qualities.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
my neighbor just brought me a box of milk chocolate cover macademia nuts. I would share them if you would meet me somewhere!
eff it, I'm going derp
I'll drive to Chambersburg right now if you'll give me chocolate.
I freaking love chocolate.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
my wife loves chocoate too
but she has the most self restraint of any person ever. These chocolates from Hawaii are really good and would be worth the drive.
eff it, I'm going derp
Hawaiian chocolates?
You’re killing me. Kudos to your wife, refusing chocolate is insanely difficult.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
she doesn't refuse
she eats small amounts. Its amazing. she has more self control than anyone I have ever met.
eff it, I'm going derp
Congratulate her for me!
I hope I grow into that, but I sincerely doubt it.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
HA awesome Take by a Diva!
"I have my Joe Paterno autograph already, but I don’t know that I’d begrudge anybody else from getting theirs no matter their age. That’s kind of like meeting Winston Churchill." jesse. @ BSD
Hah.
No its not, not anything close. That’s being frustrated and giving a knee jerk reaction after your team played a poor game. Surely anybody who watched that game knows that Ohio State played poorly. That’s not letting the hype get to your head nor is it being a tool. I’ve seen plenty of knee jerk reactions before on this site, most of them ridiculous. Surely you can relate to some extent.
And for the Vick thing, just look at my countless replies to others, I’m sure you’ll find one.
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
The thing is
Pryor doesn’t realize that since 1999, no one has really run away with Wisconsin-Ohio State. It is a VERY competitive series, and to say that he’d have won 9 out of 10 times against Wisconsin just smacks me as someone who didn’t learn from his mistakes the year before. Really, but for Ohio State’s defense and special teams the year before, Wisconsin would have handed them an embarrassing 13-10 home loss. But for Wisconsin refusing to field a QB worth a **** in 2008, Pryor goes home empty.
Beat Northwestern, Michigan, and Indiana, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 9, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
pryor does not strike me as someone who reads or know history
or tradition. He knows TP.
eff it, I'm going derp
Pryor
has had his worst outings against Michigan, astonishingly enough. But a close second is his performance against Wisconsin.
In 08, against possibly the worst DL in the conference, Pryor was sacked 4 times and tackled for a loss a bunch of other times. 15 rushes for 20 yards. One rushing touchdown. The touchdown is all that matters. But his passing numbers were not impressive; he threw his first armpunt INT in that game (Allen Langford beat Robiskie to grab it) and was rather shaky.
In 09 at home against Wisconsin, he was beyond terrible. He threw a touchdown pass, yes, but he was sacked 3 times and threw an INT (Culmer St. Jean recorded it) that resulted in Wisconsin’s only touchdown of the day. His rushing numbers were nothing special, and he completed just 5 passes on 14 attempts. Not good at all.
This time, against Wisconsin, Pryor completed 14 passes on 28 attempts, attempted 20-some rushes and was sacked 4 times. He did not record a touchdown; throwing the game-icing INT in the 4th Quarter that kicked off the first storming of Camp Randall that I can remember.
He doesn’t get it. In his games against Wisconsin, Terrelle Pryor has been sacked almost 4 times per game, thrown an interception in all 3, and accounted for 3 total touchdowns.
Beat Northwestern, Michigan, and Indiana, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 9, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno....
I don’t think he’s so bad. I work with a guy from Jeannette (grew up and still lives there) who is a big fan of all things Jeannette. When Pryor was still there he said he was no angel, but not horrible either.
I did and said a lot of stupid things when I was his age, too. Now I know better, even though back then I thought I knew everything. John Wooden was right when he’d say “It’s the things you learn after you know everything that are the most important”.
Other than say some somewhat stupid things while most times in an emotional state, what has he done that’s so horrible? Sure, he hasn’t lived up to his hype, but that’s not his fault. It’s not like he’s out there like Ocho or TO blowing his own horn about being something special.
by J Breezy on Nov 9, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also probably worth noting
that it’s not like he goes out and actively seeks to demean anyone, nor does he seem to be an obnoxious ham (Bam! JoePa Vocab). He’s asked a question, he gives an answer. It’s the technique of answering that he’s been having problems with.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
FP does not understand tact
Taken as what he meant, he may be correct but after a game like that you need to learn to just congradulate your opponent because what he really did was call out his own team and tell them they sucked. He just doesn’t understand the fact that sometimes you just shut your mouth.. Its like telling your wife her butt is kind of flabby, some things you keep to yourself and address them at an appropriate or tactful manner. Maturity, as most here have been saying. He sounded like a pissy little punk, even though what he said may be true.
eff it, I'm going derp
This comment is probably quite interesting to anyone who has never heard of that beer.
"So run, you cur! Tell all the other curs McGloin's comin'! And hell's comin' with him, you hear? Hell's comin' with him!"
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 9, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Good To Go in chambersburg has it on tap
excellent stuff but 6 of them kicks butt. wife/nana had to take grandson to first Bball practice/meeting because she was afraid I would flirt with moms of other kids.
eff it, I'm going derp
I remember that place!
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
ah, they have expanded to 30 beers on tap in the last couple weeks.
mmmmmmmmm so much beauty there. My 5 year old grandson stood in front of the cooler with hundreds of micro brew and european beers and said “pappy, this is just beautiful” I agreed completely. Sunday, while making pizza he said I should retire and open my own pizzaria and call it Pappy’s Pizza and he would work for me. He was kneading the dough for our pizza at the time.
eff it, I'm going derp
Your grandson sounds awesome and adorable.
Adorably awesome and awesomely adorable.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
the older one is the intellectual
the younger one is wild but yes adorable, that is him in my picture at the blue white game a year ago. He was 4 in that pic. His mom cut his dreads off before he started school this year, just because she didn’t want him to be judged by his looks.
eff it, I'm going derp
His hair looks pretty cool!
They both sound fantastic and I can tell you love ’em to bits.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
Oh, thank god
You just saved me from coveting thy neighbor’s wife. All your earlier stories about your wife, especially about her cheerleading teacher friend from carolina, were taking me down bad paths.
But I call my own Grandmother Nana, so now I am free from coveting and guilt, and can glady tailgate with you all sometime without it being weird ;)
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
just to keep you slightly wierded out, I sleep with a nana and still think she is hot…..which sometimes she literally is but.
eff it, I'm going derp
Thanks
/notes to self: ‘be very very sober before visiting bman’s tailgate.’
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
I assumed he was still talking about TP's admiration of Mike Vick
re. the Flying Dog raging bitches
by Frank O'Brien on Nov 9, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Not speaking to the propriety of arguing with your support of the substance of TP's quote
But the main difference that I’d point out is that one instance was a quote from a competitor who ended up on the losing side, which obviously reeks of sour grapes. The other was said by a neutral third party, who has a personal interest in motivating his team to compete against the losing team.
The two comments come from different contexts, but both are purely subjective. The truth is, the game will not be played 9 more times, so no one can know. And I’m not sure how it can be suggested that because our head football coach stated a certain opinion, anyone who disagrees with that opinion can… I don’t know. I’m guessing you didn’t really know where you were going with the dot dot dot either.
Like I said above,
just don’t tell me I’m the only one who can rationalize and/or believe Pryor’s statements.
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
If you want to interpret
people’s arguments against you as having been based on your unique ability to rationalize and/or believe Pryor’s statements, then you’re closer to having a point.
But you still have to deal with the fact that there’s an enormous leap in logic to read Paterno’s comments as a rationalization or belief of Pryor’s 9 out of 10 assertion.
So basically, you’re doing some light trolling.
Too many people on here
re-define “trolling” to fit what they want it to mean.
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
Troll (Internet),
an internet term for a person who, through willful action, attempts to disrupt a community or garner attention and controversy through provocative messages
Yes
and that is not me or what I’ve been posting.
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
And I think you've been quite calm and fair about it.
And I think TP was ok to think that. You want your QB to think that, he needs that kind of confidence.
What he shouldn’t do is say it, especially right after the game. It is disrespectful to the team you just played. Also, you’re the face of a national program and it will draw you criticism every time. You should know that and stop yourself. Especially when you’ve had the media problem before.
Is anyone helping him understand how to deal with the media? Or is he not getting it? I think it’s a fair question to ask at this point.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
I sometimes wonder
if it wouldn’t be a bad idea to actually make these guys take a class or something. I don’t know if any of them really anticipate the spotlight they get thrown into.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
They just need someone to teach them the right cliches
Like in “Bull Durham”, when Kevin Costner gives Tim Robbins advice on how to deal w/ the media: We gotta play ‘em one day at a time. I’m just happy to be here. Hope I can help the ballclub. I just want to give it my best shot, and the good Lord willing, things will work out.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Terrelle is not the sharpest tool in the shed
Any Buckeye fan knows this. However, it bugs me to hear how “he has made no progression since his freshman year.” He has. A lot, actually. This coming from a guy who has seen nearly every TP media piece since 2008 after the Youngstown State game. I also don’t like hearing names thrown out at Pryor, or any college player for that matter really.
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
I didn't say "no progress"
I said he is still making the same basic mistake of saying too much. Someone she be telling him how to avoid it, if he can’t, they should be giving him purely stock answers. If they are doing those things, then he just refuses to acknowledge them.
I don’t follow him enough to say “no progress,” but rather only follow enough to say “not enough progress.”
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
Oh,
I know you didn’t. That part of the comment wasn’t directed at you, I was just replying to your comment. Just to a few that I’ve talked to.
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
OK
Answer the REAL question.
What were the texts about? (no favre answers either side).
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
I agree with you to a point about calling out college players
They are kids after all. However, right wrong or indifferent, they are a very public face of your school. Being a college athelete comes with a responsibility that other college kids just don’t have. It also comes with additional scruitiny.
Pryor increased that magnifying glass on himself while he was still in high school delaying his decision making process. He would get in fights with opposing high schools fans. I blame the parenting- if my kid did that I’d knock him around. But it also shows a lack of maturity, because he still isn’t able to deal with a loss in a humble fashion.
Should he be called names or harrassed? No. Should he have to face the music and own up to some of his statements and actions. Yes. I don’t think he’s really a bad kid, but defending him does nothing to help him mature into a respectable figure.
by psuphysicist on Nov 10, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I actually enjoy the discussion
But you went onto another team’s board and called out people who you had had an argument with earlier. It was a pretty provocative message, really.
I said it was light trolling, which happens once or twice in every thread. No big deal.
Well
I didn’t mention any poster’s names, so I don’t think I called anybody out per se. But I did find it worthy of a mention since I was told I was the only one who could rationalize what Pryor said.
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
I just wasted a gargantuan amount of time
Because I’m insanely bored. But just to let you know, I read through the other thread and I’m reasonably certain that no one ever argued with you about you being the only person who could rationalize what Pryor said.
Everyone was just saying basically the same thing as here – it was a tactless comment and showed blah blah blah about Pryor and how he’s developing as a person/media entity.
The only thing I found about rationalization was this from MainLion: “And only the tOSU fanbase could rationalize that Pryor’s clearly self-misunderstood support of Mike Vick was something about which we all could learn a lesson.”
Which I’m not sure you could, or would, argue.
This is probably
were I remembered the whole “blah blah blah could rationalize…” comments. I remember talking more about the Wisconsin comments the other day than the Vick ones, but maybe not…
I wasn’t planning on this comment to blow up into this big of a discussion.
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
Haha, it's cool
I will admit to being a little argumentative today. It’s part of my vocational training. Just wanted to make the point that you were doing some light trolling/missing your own point.
I actually welcome you here and think most of your comments are good for discussion. Wish you’d talk a little more X’s and O’s though instead of just arguing the same few things over and over.
I think you need to take what Joe said with a grain of salt
He also said we needed to get better to handle Kent State and that he was worried about youngstown state
Joe’s pre game presser is all about talking up his opponent, either cause he’s classy or cause he wants to save his ass in the event he loses (maybe both). I dont know that just because he said he couldnt figure out how they lost to Wisconsin he’s agreeing they’d win 9 out of 10, because frankly i cant figure out if he really doesn’t know how OSU lost or he’s just saying that to be polite.
This is Joe we're talking about here.
You could be Greendale Community College, 0-8 in you local community college conference, and Joe would say it is hard to believe you lost those 8 games looking at the tapes. Then he’d say even though they are a local community college conference, the 8 teams you lost were good tough football teams and you gave them everything to the end.
Just for some perspective, this is what he does with every opponent every week.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
The Human Beings are a tough team. That quarterback has an arm.
@EpicTripod
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 9, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
I heard Joe was taking a look at Troy, but things didn't work out
and he took the Greendale scholarship.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
I disagree
this is Ohio State he’s talking about. I don’t think he would feel the need to talk us up insincerely or anything like he would a lower tier team.
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
I don't think you understand.
He says these things with every single team we play. From Directional State College to the defending MNC
I'm not speculating.
I’m telling you, he says this stuff EVERY single week. “I’ll tell ya, [TEAM] is a great football team. And I’m not just saying that because we’re playing them this week. [INSERT REASON THEY ARE BETTER THAN THEIR RECORD]. So we’ve got a tough week ahead of us.”
It has nothing to do with your team.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
"Ya know, they're- they've gotta good, solid football team
with a good, solid defense. Rararawr, Brookyn Accent."
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
I'm aware
of what Joe Pa does. However, there’s plenty of ways to talk up this Ohio State team than to mention the Wisconsin game or how we should have won that specific game.
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
Maybe,
maybe not. SuePa’s the only one who ever really knows what goes on in that old man’s head, and she ain’t sharing.
Regardless though, what’s done is done. Wisconsin won, OSU lost, and there were reasons for it. It doesn’t necessarily justify TP’s comments. I haven’t got much against him, but he could have taken the loss, thrown out a few stock comments to the press, and just left.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
He talked them up more than just that
Amongst the quote you mention where he explains he doesn’t know how you lost the one game you lost (which to me isn’t him agreeing with Pryor per se, but his way of saying he thinks you are good enough to be undefeated at this point) he also called you one of the 3 or 4 best teams in the country if not the best, that we cant hang with you, that Pryor is “mature” and that he “handles himself well” and that you are one of the most well-coached and well organized team with 5 or 6 defensive players (whose names he didn’t know) will play in the NFL and that your RBs will run down our throats and that your talent and personnel is far superior to ours.
So its not like out of the blue he felt it necessary to agree with Terrelle Pryor. 50% of his press conference was him talking up Ohio State, and one of the myriad of comments he made happened to be the one you mention.
Viktor Tikhonov
Probably said that the Soviets would defeat the Americans 9.5 out of 10 times. Didn’t change anything.
Wow, these OSU guys really are nuts. Wisconsin killed those guys. And they seek rhetorical, hypothetical success?
Mr. Boh Knows ...
He was ranked #1 on the debate team
and they lost to the 18th ranked debate team in the Big Ten, right?
Beat Northwestern, Michigan, and Indiana, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 9, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
NUTS
Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!
by joefromboalsburg on Nov 9, 2010 7:43 PM EST reply actions
This thread?
Yes.
"So run, you cur! Tell all the other curs McGloin's comin'! And hell's comin' with him, you hear? Hell's comin' with him!"
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 9, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
I remember one home game
Where a fan had forged a makeshift nutcracker, a huge one, out of duck tape and cardboard. It was awesome—somehow hinged—and totally functional. The Nittany Lion got wind of it, sought it out, was gladly loaned it from the owner fan, and he hunted brutus down and got his big ole noggin in its grips. It was so awesome seeing him crunch that nut.
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
someone posted a pic of that recently
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Recent enough that you can remember how to search for, and find it
And, having been found, repost it for an old internet buddy?
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
that was easy enough
it was at the end of that “Put the Women and Children to Bed” post
by The JuggerNitt on Nov 10, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Once again...
another thread spirals into another debate about praising OSU and Pryor.
I just watched a clip of the ‘08 game on B10 Press pass that showed Pryor completing a long pass and then barking into Navarro Bowman’s ear as they jogged up to the LOS. Total @$$ move and I’m glad Bowman got the last laugh in that one.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
Do you not know
what goes on and what is said on a football field? During a night game in Ohio Stadium nonetheless?
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
I think it goes both ways
I’m sure Bowman NEVER said a word either right??
Nope,
I’m sure Bowman responded by silently praying for Terrelle.
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
PENN STATE PLAYERS ARE CHOIR BOYS.
AND I REFUSE TO BELIEVE ANYBODY WHO TELLS ME OTHERWISE.
j/k. Seriously, it was something that fired me up as a PSU guy and obvious I’m happy we got the win.
I’m hoping that Mr. Mike Mauti introduces himself to Pryor this weekend.
2010 PSU Football......"It can maybe snowball into something that can catch fire..."
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 9, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
interestingly
but I heard that the younger Sacca was one of the worst trrash talkers around and actually embarassed his offensive line the way he would come to line of scrimage and bark at the other team.
eff it, I'm going derp
I don't care who introduces himself to whom.
I’ve got the absolute two weeks of my semester coming up. If they lose, I’ll live. If they win they will make each and every one of those 40 pages I have to write that much easier. Please, Penn State football. Do it for me.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
I'm sure I'll be very happy with myself when I'm done.
Right now I want to punch myself in the face. Of course, instead i’m wasting time on BSD.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
haha
Last few weeks are tough. You will get by them. Be over before you no it.
Graduating?
i’m wasting time on BSD
THERE IS NO SUCH THING!!!
Designated "New Thread Is Up" guy.
by IcersGuy on Nov 9, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This needs to be green'd, like, ASAP.
Beat Northwestern, Michigan, and Indiana, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 9, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
IcersGuy knows what’s up. It’s Edification. It’s Character-building. It’s…it’s….
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
Your not the only one
lots to do with little time, yet here I am.
by scotty2hotty89 on Nov 9, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
That makes me feel a bit better.
"We have the plainest uniforms you can make. We know who we are. We are Penn State, and that's something special."
understandable
I remember reading this site last year. Some of the things that were said was pretty brutal. haha. I was happy at the outcome. (obviously)…..
Haha
I’m sure we all have irrational thoughts about our players sometimes. Boy, Alex Boone brings back bad bad memories.
Mauti may get introduced to Pryor’s arm ;)
Here’s to a good game… I’m just hoping that Lee Corso picks PSU on Saturday…
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
he probably will
I can’t recall when he has picked Ohio st.
Mauti
needs to borrow a page out of Antonio Fenelus’s book. A 5’9"-ish cover corner seriously ran right through Pryor’s stiff-arm and form-tackled him for little gain. That was awesome.
Beat Northwestern, Michigan, and Indiana, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 9, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Damn,
you really one up’ed me there. If only I could think of something witty here…
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
I would be content with a Hali-esque beatdown, myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiqWvBfgcKo
Beat Northwestern, Michigan, and Indiana, THEN I'll talk Wisconsin in the BCS. But not until that happens.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 9, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Amsterdam was right.
The earth turns, but we don’t feel it move. And one night you look up… one spark and the sky is on fire.
@EpicTripod
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 9, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
The earth turns, but we don’t feel it move. And one night you look up… one McGloin and the sky and your pants are both on fire.
"McGloin means never having to say you're sorry."
Beat Ohio State.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 10, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
Do you guys have to put up with this every year? Good lord. A tOSU fan lecturing you to not take football seriously? That Pryor is endearingly naive with the stuff he says with microphones stuck in his face? Dr. Strangelove is on TCM right now. I’m finding it a oddly compelling metaphor for the way the stereotype of the interweb Buckeye fanbase views their team compared to most of the rest of college football.
Do you think
that I don’t try to tell my own fan base to not take this game too seriously when I hear some things? This applies to all college fan bases for all time.
"Needless to say... you're dead to me." -Arthur Spooner
This has turned into some intraconference party.
As long as none of those bottom feeding IU or Sota’ans try to crash that’s ok by me.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
I really want to partake in another round of HATE!
But I’m pretty satisfied from the first go-around.
And HATE is like frowning. Takes more muscles to hate than to give a “meh”.
So, Ohio State fans, meh. Meh to all of you.
To feed your HATE, please enjoy the worst photoshop ever
400. That is all.
by letsgopsu on Nov 9, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I will always appreciate a good working man's photoshop.
Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.
"Let's go. We are Penn State. We are not normal, we are legends. People will tell their kids about us. We are not normal, we are Penn State. They don't have the tradition to hold our nuts. And they gonna flick us off on the way here? They gonna flick us off? F*** Me? No.... F**** You! Let's go."
I'm kind of sad
I missed all of the fun last night. So I’d like to add
PRYOR IS NO THINK GOOD! Everybody kills, maims, arm punts, whatever. Everybody knows that if we played Purdue 34 out of 47 times we’d win.
Their mascot is a nut, therefore, everybody who is a Buckeye fan, is nuts.
Many of their fans felt they should be in the same division as Michigan, even if that meant PSU being in the same division as Nebraska, JUST so that the sanctity of ZOMG TEH GAME wasn’t messed with.
Their old coach punched a kid. Their current coach wears sweaters without sleeves! I had a professor who wore sweater vests, he was weird. So by use of transitive properties, JIM TRESSEL IS WEIRD.
I think I sufficiently covered all bases.
HATE HATE HATE
"People ask me why I've stayed here so long, and you know what? Look around, look around. Now that the celebration's over, let's go beat Ohio State."
~Joe Vincent Paterno
Do you think Pryor is a little miffed....
…that Newton got all that coin to go to Auburn, and all he got from aOss was a Corvette?
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