Joe Paterno Presser Highlights: Outback Bowl
by Adam Bittner on Dec 7, 2010 10:01 AM EST
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PrintJoe Paterno addressed the media on Monday about Penn State's selection to the Outback Bowl. Here's a short run down of what he had to say (transcript).
- Opening statement: "We are delighted to have this opportunity to play against Florida. As I said a while ago, Urban is one of my favorite people. It is going to be exciting to play against them especially in this setting being the 25th anniversary of a great bowl game and a great city. It is an exciting time for us, it is going to be an exciting event, and hopefully we will put on a good show for everybody."
- Explained that he has a good relationship with Florida coach Urban Meyer. Called Meyer "honest" and "modest" and says the two have talked coaching philosophies on occasion in the past.
- Andrew Dailey and Kevion Latham intend to leave the program with eligibility left as both have jobs lined up after graduation.
- On the possibility of other players leaving: "We may lose another kid or two. It depends on some parents getting involved thinking their kids are a little better than they are, thinking they are pro players"
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Very pleased that Latham and Dailey have jobs post-grad.
When I left school, the market was weak for recent grads. I know for a fact that the legal job market is lagging, so I’m sure it’s still difficult. Glad to see they’ve set themselves up well.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
If the legal job market is lacking...
did you turn to extra-legal endeavors to make ends meet?
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Dec 7, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Nah. I'm gainfully employed (thankfully).
Some of my friends, though…..who knows?
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Dec 7, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone's doing it....
I believe Frank Beamer just killed it. The true signature of an Elite program.
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
@ArtieFufkin10
That.was.awesome
I know we joked about it yesterday, but if Joe decided to Dougie and it was caught on video, I’d totally lose my mind.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Dec 7, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
He has been talking about his big decision on Twitter since the MSU game.
by Jared Slanina on Dec 7, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
If he goes
he’s an idiot and clearly delusional on his talent level.
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
It's totally nonsensical to leave early this year.
Even if Still was an All-American, there’s a serious labor dispute that needs to be resolved. I know he has a kid and a family to care for, but come on…
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Dec 7, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Labor dispute
and the talent pool at DT this season looks to be pretty deep. I could understand if he was projected top 10 or something (ie. Maybin) but a late rounder at best? Hopefully level heads will prevail.
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
Keep in mind too
He’s already lost two seasons due to injury. If he comes back next year and gets injured again he has no chance of getting drafted. If they tell him he could go in the 5th or 6th round I bet he jumps on it. I probably would too.
Does he have his degree?
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Dec 7, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
What is the general way the draft board goes?
Don’t they rate guys much higher than they usually go? For example dont they rate more guys in for the 1-2 round than there are actual picks in the 1st and 2nd round?
They give them the best possibility usually
so when they say a guy can go 3rd round, it doesn’t necessarily mean he is a 3rd rounder, but that is probably the best he can do. And this is all before the combine and private workouts with teams, so that projection can change significantly.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
Yeah, that's not so good
I could see Still being “rated” as high as 5th round. He is listed as 6’5", 311lbs and could run a 4.9 40 in HS, those are pretty good stats. He could project well in the 3-4 DE category.
But wow, I just saw that his cousin is Levon Kirkland.
Yeah
I wish it were possible for them to talk to an actual NFL scout (or former scout) that could give them an honest opinion about their abilities and a realistic idea of what their situation would be. A lot of kids jump in thinking they are going to set the world on fire and then watch as they get passed over round after round.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
yeah...
I was super-confused when I saw it… I actually thought he meant leaving PSU as a whole, not the NFL draft, haha…
that was the first thing I thought of when I read his tweets
He showed flashed this year but was very average for the most part. It would not be a smart move at all.
by Jared Slanina on Dec 7, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Especially considering the labor situation in the NFL.
Even if we was drafted and made a roster, there is no guarantee that he actually receives a paycheck.
by VVeRPennState on Dec 7, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously
It’s not like Evans left 10 years ago, they were both teammates! Call the guy up. Ask him how life is treating him with no pro career and no college degree. Ask him if he thinks things would have been different had he stuck around to play alongside Odrick, who coincidentally stuck it out for his senior season and ended up a 1st round pick. At least Evans had a breakout season, Still had done next to nothing.
But it’s his choice…
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Man I salivate...
when thinking about what we would have had if Evans, Baker, Phil Taylor and Koroma had stuck around to graduate.
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by Artiefufkin10 on Dec 7, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
true.....
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
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by Artiefufkin10 on Dec 7, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I think Bowman had a kid too..
but he was more NFL ready his junior year.
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by Artiefufkin10 on Dec 7, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Wait
Are we sure Still won’t have his degree?
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Dec 7, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Is Joe coaching in the bowl game?
The flight all the way to the Outback is going to be brutal on him. If he can take the 15+ hour flight to Australia and back, then I’m sure his health is fine.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Joe will be fine.....
He says he will order an “OnionBunion” as long as it doesn’t mess with his gout.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
by DerryPharmer on Dec 7, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As a retirement gift
Tim Curley booked him a flight on one of the early Airbus A380s. And even sprung for Sue and Him to have the honeymoon suite.
Young Paterno will be just fine.
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
At first I thought
that was one of Dexter’s kill rooms.
"You're holding my hand Chuck - you sly dog!"
From the entire News Conference.....
PRESS: When you were younger and went to Florida, what things did you like to do? JOE: When I was younger, I liked to chase the girls…I’d go into the water, but it was not as exhilirating as jumping off of Pier 52 in Brooklyn. PRESS: Will you Jetski while down there? JOE: Oh no, I’ll be watching game films as much as I can and don’t forget I’ll have my 17 grandkids tghere and I’ll be reading them Shakespeare. PRESS: Will you be losing some kids? JOE: I hope not…Sue will be in charge and, even if I don’t understand, not everybody likes Shakespeare. PRESS: No Joe, we mean from the program. JOE: What’d he say, I can’t hear what he said.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
by DerryPharmer on Dec 7, 2010 10:36 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Press Credentials
And perhaps some of you folks from the School of Journalism can guide me on this. Is being a jack-ass a prerequisite to becoming a member of the press, or does it just help a lot?
I missed this...
And the hardest I’ve laughed in a week.
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
Loved the "will you be losing kids?" reply
Isn’t that why you have extras? Since nobody has a farm anymore that needs tendin’ and sowin’.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Urban Meyer
I have to say, I’ve never really like the guy, but when you hear Joe give him a ringing endorsement like that (even though he gives every opponent one) it gets tougher to keep holding that grudge.
Joe gave Saban a ringing endorsement
Enough said.
Just remember
It’s been reported he negatively recruits against us very often. I think there’s evena former PSU coach on his staff he sends out to recruiting trips to inform everyone just how old Joe really is…
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
this guy?
http://www.gatorzone.com/football/staff/austin
2010 PSU Football......YOU'RE ALL FIRED
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by Artiefufkin10 on Dec 7, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I went to the Gator Zone
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 7, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Seeing how he went to Pitt
he probably just carries a PPG under his arm when he goes into a recruits house if he is going against PSU
His bio
Cites his playing in the 1987 Bluebonnet Bowl as an accomplishment. Gotta love those Big East tie-ins!
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by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 7, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
No.
"Welcome to the PSU Salvation Army. I've never been associated with a defense so nice about giving touchdowns away." - Coach Fry, modified
by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Leave it to Joe Paterno to soften the edges of divisiveness. Is it part standard-speak for promotion? Sure. Is it wholesale disingenousness? Not at all.
Joe Paterno is a football coach and a man of diverse interests despite not liking golf or fishing. One of the aspects of coaching he clearly loves is the camaraderie of the coaching fraternity. And yeah, this sounds a lot like his old remarks about Bobby and Ann Bowden (note that the wives actually like each other). And while part of it is the intersectional aspect (he doesn’t have to face Meyer or Florida every year), you hardly ever hear him sound so warm in similar remarks about some Big Ten Douches, I mean coaches. Or Pete Carroll or Les Miles for that matter.
I’m probably not prepared to fully like Urban Meyer, but what the hell do I already know about him? That he’s nabbed a few of our recruiting targets and he’s got a cute daughter? I’m quite happy taking a break from the blogistani vomitorium and taking in Joe Paterno’s assessment for a little while.
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
That's part of the enigma of Joe Paterno
Seems we talk about this every year during bowl season. I believe Paterno may have deeply regretted the pot shot he took at Switzer and Sherrill thirty years ago and since then he has always treated his colleagues with dignity and respect. He’s practiced the Grand Experiment for many years but fails to chastise other coaches for not following his example. He’s often had good things to say about “Jimmy” Tressell, who appears to keep his players as far away from academic endeavours as is possible, as well as guys like Spurrier and Les Miles, who are presumably unaware that their respective Universities offer higher education of any sort. The biggest contradiction however has got to be his defense of Bowden and Bobby’s attempts to distance himself from the cheating scandal at FSU. That’s why I am somewhat skeptical that the “Grand Experiment” will exist once Paterno retires.
by Frank O'Brien on Dec 7, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I had hear
that Joe and Sue vacationed with Bobby and Ann
Joe Paterno - Keeping the "College" in College Football
Remember last year against LSU
Joe played the “aw shucks, we’re just happy to be somewhere warm, I haven’t really thought much about the bowl game. Which way is the beach?” for the press. I wonder if he’ll do the same thing this year.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
I hope so
When he says the least it usually means we are close to at our best.
I get the paper. I go to the bathroom. I take the paper in there and I scan it. I look at it. The first thing I do is look at who died. All right. Second thing I look at are headlines. Something that says, "Paterno is the Greatest," I read it. -JVP
by wek5000lion09 on Dec 7, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Sandbagging is Vintage Joe
-we’re just happy to get the opportunity to play a great (insert SEC name here) team
-Les Miles is a great coach (muHAHAHAHAHA)
-They’re sooo much faster than us
-Which way to Disney…
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by Artiefufkin10 on Dec 7, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
At the joint pressers
You can almost hear Joe mumbling to the opposing coach “I have no idea where we are, who are all these people? Are you someone from the Big Ten? I’ve been meaning to talk to you about joining a conference, being independent just isn’t a good long term plan…”
Joe loves to be underestimated, it’s when he’s at his best.
McGloin Despite Them
Preaching the McGospel since Aug. 2nd, 2010
So you're calling those moves intentional?
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 7, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Personally,
I’m not certain that there is one NFL football player on Penn State’s football team, save (maybe) Stephen Wisnewski. Anybody off of this squad that leaves early and thinks they are going to make a roster in the league is a fool.
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
Moye could be an NFL player, I think.
Not that he would be if he left early, but if he puts up 1k next year.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 7, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
My intention was to say right now, there aren't any NFL caliber players on the team.
Certain players, Moye is one, could grow into it.
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
Got it.
I think Ogbu could make a roster as a 3-4 DE. But he is unlikely to get drafted.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 7, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Is Shane McGregor a senior?
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 7, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Shane McGregor is the new Matt Cassel.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Dec 7, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Keep in mind that Sean Lee notwithstanding...
OUr best two players in the league right now are Connor and Posluzny, or the leading tacklers on two of the worst teams in the league. I saw Paul play against the Steelers, and he did have his fair share of tackles, but they were pretty often 8-10 yards downfield.
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
Kareem McKenzie is still holding it down.
And Tamba Hali and Cam Wake are terrorizing QBs.
Not sure what any of them have to do with the current group or Ogbu. Hell, in 2001 was anyone saying, “John Gilmore is a solid TE. I bet he does enough to collect an active NFL paycheck for at least the next 8-10 years.”
I don’t think I said anything too bold. Ogbu could make a roster as a big DE.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 7, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
No, you could be right....
Tamba is good. Ogbu could get drafted in the late rounds and make a team. Nobody on this squad should be thinking about leaving early though.
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
Yeah, I don't think a whole lot of people are disputing that.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 7, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think Deon butler is doing well....
he is in no way dominant. But he is effective.
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by Artiefufkin10 on Dec 7, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ogbu will get drafted
rnd 5-7. Moye would get drafted about the same range if he went to the NFL right now, maybe even as high as 3. He needs to work on his consistency with his hands and sharpening his routes a little bit. Another year and he could be a 2-4 guy.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
I think Ogbu could make a practice squad.
Lynn might make a roster as a safety right now. Royster’s going to get drafted and make a team.
Justin Brown needs to develop more, but certainly has a pro body already. Too bad Moye isn’t Brown’s size, because he’d be a surefire top pick.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Dec 7, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Royster’s going to get drafted and make a team
No. No he’s not. Bet me a dollar.
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
Yes he will.
You’re assuming NFL. Major League Lacrosse is salivating.
When Tim Tebow left Florida, Urban Meyer's heart literally broke, causing him to retire for, like, 45 minutes.
Joe Paterno thinks the concept of retirement is cute. Go State, beat Florida.
by Illegal Formation on Dec 7, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't get it.
What does Royster have to do with lacrosse?
"I’ll drink through the weirdness." - Illegal Formation
by leeharvey418 on Dec 7, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Umm, he's straight money at it
And will kick all our asses?
The offensive line was inspired by McGloin.
Badminton Rules.
I will not debate this. Accept it as fact. [shaking fist] Accept it…..
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
Butter your bacon boy
Buutttteeeerrrrrrr it.
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
Look, my house, my rules...
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
Olympic badminton,
is so intense. It’s pretty much the only summer games event I watch.
When Tim Tebow left Florida, Urban Meyer's heart literally broke, causing him to retire for, like, 45 minutes.
Joe Paterno thinks the concept of retirement is cute. Go State, beat Florida.
by Illegal Formation on Dec 7, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I can certainly see Royster getting a job as a "third down back" or whatever.
"Welcome to the PSU Salvation Army. I've never been associated with a defense so nice about giving touchdowns away." - Coach Fry, modified
by ReadingRambler on Dec 7, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
A gentleman's agreement!
Huzzah!
He’ll go somewhere. He’s not going to start, but he’s skilled enough to last a year or two.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Dec 7, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Lynn, maybe, but he needs another year.
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
Royster should have went pro last year
He’s one guy who hurt his stock by returning. I see him more as a potential undrafted free agent signing than getting drafted. I agree that if Brown and Moye stay healthy and develop, they will be receiving NFL paychecks in the future.
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
There isn't a single NFL-ready underclassman on this roster.
Not one. It’s a joke that anyone would be thinking about leaving for that purpose, even someone with a daughter to take care of.
Wiz will be the only guy drafted from PSU in a few months. Maybe Royster or Ogbu get picked up in the 6th or 7th round, but I severely doubt it.
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by Run Up The Score on Dec 7, 2010 11:52 AM EST reply actions
If I had a daughter to take care of and I played on this team...
I think my long term best interests are served by finishing my degree, or if I already have it, getting started on a Master’s. Especially if I’m injury prone.
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
Exactly.
And especially if I didn’t have anything more than an average season on the field.
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by Run Up The Score on Dec 7, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think Still has the best hands of a DT I have seen in a long time.
If he comes back and puts it all together, and stops disappearing during games, he could be a very good DT in the league.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 7, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Also,
while Mike’s point above about the injuries is well taken, it’s not like the NFL doesn’t know he has an injury history, that will kill his draft stock. Another year injury free, maybe he can put it behind him a bit.
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
Yeah, I think it's a matter of
whether he thinks he can stick to a practice squad. If he does, then he probably goes. Gets 15 hundos a week to continue his development against NFL talent. I think that’s awful risky because he has the physical skills to get some guaranteed money if he hangs around, but I have never been confronted with the choice.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 7, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, I was way off.
The current practice squad minimum is 5200/wk for 17 weeks. But it sounds like your “contract” is week to week. i.e. as an independent contractor you can get cut with no compensation if you are hurt, get paid by 1099 so pay all your own taxes, no health care, no pension etc.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 7, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
And he'll be getting nicked for Child Support the whole time too...
If he stays in school, his obligation is nominal.
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
No benefits for practice squad players?
That’s an odd deal for the union to have cut. But yes, your contract is week-to-week.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Dec 7, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think they get health coverage...
and sevice time credit toward their pensions, but they have to play at least three years before they are eligible for anything. But I’m not certain, it’s been a while since I’ve done an NFL Player.
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
TWSS
it’s been a while since I’ve done an NFL Player.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Dec 7, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, obviously I meant work on their child support case.
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
Duly noted, but felt it was necessary.
At some point, I’d like to read the CBA and compare it to the deals struck by the MLBPA and the like. There must be dramatic differences.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Dec 7, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
There are a lot of practice squad players that make a lot more.
I know a few here on the patriots get full minimum and full fringe benefits. But I don’t think the CBA requires more than the salary.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 7, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
The NFL challenge it and took it to court.
Arguing that it was not a mandatory bargaining topic since they were not actually “on the team.” Obviously, they lost. But they fought valiantly to get the pay even that high. If I recall, the issue was that the owners were pretty willing to just cut bait and get rid of the practice squad. They existed without it for so long.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 7, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I should really learn more about this aspect of labor law.
Interesting stuff.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Dec 7, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
If you already have the degree AND a daughter, i can see taking a chance with the NFL.
It can’t be easy for someone like Still to support a family on a scholarship stipend. If you’ve got the degree, why not take a flier, sign a league minimum contract even if you don’t get drafted, etc. If someone is willing to pay, let them and see what he can do in an NFL training regimen.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 7, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
sign a league minimum contract even if you don’t get drafted
Because you don’t see a nickel of that money until you make the team. Until then it’s like $150 a day in training camp.
Don't get me started on the lunacy of hiring the guy whose team lost to 4-7 Pitt, at home, with arguably the best team in school history, to beat Ohio State. If Pryor goes anywhere but Michigan, the Rich Rodriguez era at Michigan could be turbulent to say the least. January 16, 2008.
Didn't know that. Well, at least try your hand at the draft. Can't really hurt.
If someone sees upside (and I feel its there), it could be worth a 6th or 7th round pick. If you don’t get drafted, try the UDFA route, or get a job.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 7, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree, but I really think we're underestimating
the NFLPA and the labor situation. There’s a real chance they don’t play next year. In that case, you’ve left school (and a guaranteed scholarship stipend) to sit around locked out. You’re not getting paid, nor are you on the field increasing your value, nor are you getting your degree and preparing yourself for life without football.
The risk is so high, especially for a guy like Still who has incredible potential that is unfulfilled. He’s a good player, but he could end up being a great player who gets paid.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Dec 7, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
Unless you’re getting a massive signing bonus (which I’m assuming would not be affected by a lockout) you would have to be stone-cold stupid to leave early after this year. Maybe there will be a season in 2011, but why risk it?
When Tim Tebow left Florida, Urban Meyer's heart literally broke, causing him to retire for, like, 45 minutes.
Joe Paterno thinks the concept of retirement is cute. Go State, beat Florida.
by Illegal Formation on Dec 7, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
There's about
10 different scenarios that all end with him unemployed, without a degree, and out of school if he leaves early. A lot of different things he has no control over have to go in his favor for him to even make a team. He might as well take his tuition check and go to the casino, the odds are similar.
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I agree re: lockout.
The rent risk to too damn high. All else being equal, though, I would probably take the chance with the draft. This year, I agree with jesse./RUTS above about staying in school and getting another year under my belt.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 7, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Related note:
A lockout is a crappy situation for all of the seniors who get drafted, but aren’t in that top-tier/1st and 2nd rounders. Basically, you might have to sit around for a year, then pre-2012, have to compete with a new class of kids who just played a season of football and whose names and reputations are fresher in people’s minds, all for the same number of roster spots.
When Tim Tebow left Florida, Urban Meyer's heart literally broke, causing him to retire for, like, 45 minutes.
Joe Paterno thinks the concept of retirement is cute. Go State, beat Florida.
by Illegal Formation on Dec 7, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
It's a good thing for our guys
there were very few seniors, and the few seniors on the team all got their degrees from a great university that is ranked #1 in providing high quality candidates ready for the working world.
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The flip side of that
Is that the college juniors that actually have the ability to make the jump might stick around. That means we’ll see Julio, Pryor, etc. next year if they don’t take the risk. Playing the stacked schedule we are, that’s an additional negative of the lockout. Greedy owners…
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by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 7, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Julio is gone
he’s a sure 1st rounder. No way he passes up that money.
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Obligatory:
His backup is better anyway.
When Tim Tebow left Florida, Urban Meyer's heart literally broke, causing him to retire for, like, 45 minutes.
Joe Paterno thinks the concept of retirement is cute. Go State, beat Florida.
by Illegal Formation on Dec 7, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Right, unless the lockout scares some away.
Julio and Pryor were just the first two that came to my head. Over the course of a 12 (14 hopefully) game schedule, we’ll see a higher talent level due to the lockout, as the questionable juniors might stay.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 7, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Pryor still thinks he can be a QB
so he’d be back no matter what.
Quick story about players and they’re hopes of being drafted. A friend of mine went to grad school at the University of Utah. While there, he was in a class with a guy who went to undergrad at Minn and had some classes with Laurence Maroney. In the class, the teacher asked the students to think about what they’re going to do after college and what their backup plan is, if their first option fell through. When she got to Maroney and asked him this question he goes “I’m goin in da League.” She says “But I want to know, what do you plan on doing if you don’t”. His answer, “Nah. I’m goin in da League”
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Yeah, I mean,
that wasn’t really up in the air, barring injury. But athletes of that caliber can’t be compared to a lot of others. The question probably should have been, “what if your first season you rush for around 800 yards and it ends up being easily your best season and you only hang around after that because of your close personal relationship with Belichick.”
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
It might not have been in question
but the ability to actually function in society is questionable.
2010 PSU Football: You do not and will not understand it
He's a legit top 10 prospect
It’s probably between him and AJ Green for the #1 WR. And Jones has already won a MNC. Lockout or not, he’d be crazy to stay another year, unless they don’t hold a draft or don’t give anyone guaranteed money.
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But he should still think about what he's going to do after da League.
He could have a career ending injury in the bowl game or in training camp.
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This is why the college sports model might be better than "Academies" used elsewhere in the world
Young standout soccer players around the world (and probably some other sports, I’m not sure how basketball works) get invited to participate in Academies owned by either their country’s national team or their club team like AC Milan or Barcelona. Then they go pro when they’re good enough to play on the first team. But if they don’t pan out for some reason or they play for a little and flame out due to injury or lack of ability, they have (in some cases) not even a full high school education.
College sports, when they’re not being completely bastardized by mercenary coaches, at the very least make the kids better themselves, to some extent, in case things don’t work out.
True
But he doesn’t have to make a decision until after the bowl game as to whether he wants to go pro or not, and the chances of him getting a career ender in TC are slim. Plus, as soon as he agrees on the contract he will see some of that money. He’s got the talent and has done everything in the collegiate world he probably can do, so going back for another year only increases his risk of getting hurt.
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But yes I agree that many will stay
and hopefully college football benefits from it.
Everything looks more important when written in gray italics.
College football as a whole benefits from an increased talent level
Which leads back to my original point, that it makes our already difficult schedule even harder because of the returning talent.
Julio may have been a bad example…what about Ingram/Richardson? Or some Nebraska guy I don’t know about?
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by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 7, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
does it really make sense to stay in school
b/c of the lockout?
The lockout will cause you to live without pay during the lockout, but if you’re a high draft pick, you’ll get a big signing bonus that will help you cover your bases in the interim. Meanwhile, you don’t risk injury in college. If there’s no pro football, you can re-enroll and work towards your degree.
I think the possible lock-out is much more likely a detterent to the guys on the margins, who would be late round draft picks or undrafted free agents. If you’re a likely to go in the first two rounds, all the compelling reasons to come out early should still apply.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
The date for it to be official is something
like March 3rd. Is there going to be a draft? If so, will there be any guys signing contracts? There is no guarantee that either occur.
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
I dont know how it all works
but as far as I know there is still going to be a draft, and those that are picked will have their rights retained by their prospective teams. IE, if the Colts draft player X, no matter what happens that season, he is still basically owned by the Colts. I don’t know if that means they get contracts or not though.
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I guess these players aren't part of the union yet
so nothing stops them from having a draft. Especially if they pull the ole’ bait and decertify.
That said, can you see the owners, who won’t be paying any other players, signing these guys to contracts with immediate signing bonuses? When both sides might be in favor of a rookie cap?
'We've got too many people analyzing everything and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about.' -Joseph Vincent Paterno
Yea, I agree about the early round guys, that's why, in retrospect, naming Julio was a bad example.
But staying in college for the “fringe” guys might be the better option as they stay fresh, in a workout regimen, and active. There are plenty of examples of guys leaving school early when they shouldn’t have and getting out of playing shape (I’m talking about you Maurice Clarett and that guy from the recent “30 For 30” episode).
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by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 7, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Beat Florida...
and beat Bama next year, and PSU has 3 wins over teams that won at least one MNC in the last 5 years.
Is that elite?
/sarcasm
Opulence, I has it.
OctaShields...
my understanding is that kids in most soccer academies in Europe receive an education. By the time they reach college age, if they are still in the academy, they are talented enough to play professional soccer at some level (maybe not first level, but 2nd or 3rd level). If they weren’t, they would’ve been asked to leave the academy well before that time.
Opulence, I has it.
You're right
I really didn’t mean my comment to be an indictment of soccer academies. The purpose was more to say that having college sports be the highest pre-professional level is not such a bad thing, since kids who might not otherwise be well prepared for the real world get a good and sometimes very good education in case things don’t work out.
I have a lot to learn about the academy system. I should have hedged a little more on the statements I made (I DID say “might” be better, to give myself some leeway since there’s a lot I don’t know). I’m sure there are great advantages for the kids to get a good education as well as a very focused kind of professional education to prepare them for the on-field and off-field part of being a soccer player. I’m sure there are also a few stories of kids that got left behind, but that’s going to happen in any situation really.
Actually, I’d like to learn more about this. I’m sure someone has written something comparing the two systems. It’d be interesting to learn the quality of education, since the professional clubs would be the ones setting up the curriculum and paying the teachers and whatnot.
Re: the JoePa pic
Am I the only one who thinks it looks like Joe is using the force to put a Darth Vader chokehold on a reporter on the other side of the room?
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
He looks more like Yoda levitating Luke's X-Wing out of the swamp.
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Octashields...
sorry, can’t respond directly with work browser. Here is a good article about soccer academies. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/magazine/06Soccer-t.html
Opulence, I has it.
GAME OVER, MAN.
Wannstedt’s out at Pitt. Should get interesting if Pitt starts asking about Tom Bradley or even Al Golden.
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by Run Up The Score on Dec 7, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions
Nice to see it was one of our guys breaking the news
But do you think Pitt would hire a PSU guy? What’s Walt Harris doing these days?
by Frank O'Brien on Dec 7, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'm saddened by this
First Charlie Weiss and now the Wannstache? Who am I supposed to make fun of on Saturdays?
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Some quick suggestions
old faithful – RichRod
Les Miles
Laney Kiffin
GERG probably wont be around for too long
Zook (although after he beat us this year we cant talk much)
Well
Zook and Les are probably the two best options, but they aren’t nearly as comical as Wannstadt was. Well, maybe Zook. But I just can’t sit there and watch them and come up with ridiculous scenarios in my head of what they are saying or doing. Oh well.
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Hear that in the background?
That’s the sound of PSU’s recruiting class taking off.
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I would be totally unsurprised if either...
(A) Tom Bradley is selected to replace him
or
(B) The recruits who ended up at Pitt reconsider and end up here.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
Golden would never consider that job
Why go from one irrelevant PA program to another irrelevant PA program?
Depending on what they want
and what they can get, I wouldn’t be surprised if they promoted one of their coordinators. I think both are highly thought of by most of the people in that program.
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Maybe, just maybe.....
former Duquesne Univ. HC and PSU Grad, Greg Gattuso will be the new man. I doubt it, but wouldn’t that be lovely. The GoldenPanthers would sure love that, eh.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
Yeah, Bradley was already mentioned.......
but nobody has TB handcuffed here….he’s had his opportunities and he’s still in HappyValley. He can and always had the ability to “do” what he wants.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
Derry, what if Bradley feels his prospects for succeeding Joe slipping away?
For a while, it looked as if Bradley was the guy. People don’t seem to think that’s the case anymore. If Tom feels that way, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him jump at an offer from a BCS program like Pitt. Assuming he plays well, he can always come “clean up the mess” that the next PSU coach leaves if he falls on his face.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
Oh yes....
He could go and coach sPitt. He has had other offers over the years and frankly, I am surprised that he stayed here so long. That being said, WE don’t have a hold on him and I wouldn’t be surprised either, no matter what he does. Although his latest “lady friend” is a Mom of a potential recruit in WestPA…..Hmmmmmmm?
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
His single-ness has, oddly enough, been a very weird topic of discussion
…amongst people who think it’s somehow holding him back with the Penn State administration.
It could be true, and Derry would know better, but I’d hope that our alma mater isn’t so short sighted.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
Orientation has.....
nothing to do with it….TB loves PSU and for some people that makes the perfect marriage so to speak.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
Whatever floats his boat would be more than fine by me.
I think he’s been a very good coach for a number of years and his defenses have produced some outstanding players and statistics. Tom Bradley’s full of win, and Pitt would be lucky to have him.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
I didn't think it was orientation.
I would have thought if it was held against him it would have something to do with lack of stability. I don’t see him leaving even if Pitt offered him the job.
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Exactly, young Lady.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
The recruit is 2 stars, but the mom is 5
by jrock4 on Dec 7, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said.....
TB’s da Man.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
Does that count
as illegal recruiting benefits?
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let's not forget that Bradley is in his early 60s
Under this scenario, by the time he’d make his way back to Penn State, he’d be nearing 70
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 7, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
I thought 60 seemed too old
I just did the mental math incorrectly. Still, he’d likely be 60 by the time he would even start as head coach back at PSU under this scenario. People talk now about him possibly being past his prime for the position, but then we’d take him back after he already gave up his biggest asset (his loyalty to the program), and he’s 60 and not getting any younger?
by The JuggerNitt on Dec 7, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
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